Gabor PALI p...@freebsd.org writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no writes:
Gabor PALI p...@freebsd.org writes:
Sorry for chiming in, just a quick idea. If you find the get a
high-level language that compiled to C idea good,
I don't think it's a good idea
Could you be more specific on
Am 22.08.2010 13:21, schrieb Dag-Erling Smørgrav:
Gabor PALI p...@freebsd.org writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no writes:
Gabor PALI p...@freebsd.org writes:
Sorry for chiming in, just a quick idea. If you find the get a
high-level language that compiled to C idea good,
I don't think
Matthias Andree mand...@freebsd.org writes:
Looks a bit like a swing. First we remove Perl from the base system
(years ago) and move to sed/awk, now we discuss using a scripting
language in the base system...
Read the discussion from the beginning. We are discussing introducing a
Hello, Doug.
You wrote 16 августа 2010 г., 10:15:55:
lua too flavor of the day, not enough track record of stability,
not enough installed base/proven utility
To be honest, lua is used in TONS of (commercial and, often,
console) games as scripting engine, without any
C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws writes:
After all LISP-like syntax is *still* more common and prevalent
than Lua, e.g. in Elisp, guile, esh, scsh and a lot of other apps
that use it as a small language. So we can expect more users
to be at least partially familiar with it. And there *are*
Gabor PALI p...@freebsd.org writes:
Sorry for chiming in, just a quick idea. If you find the get a
high-level language that compiled to C idea good,
I don't think it's a good idea, and I don't understand why this thread
seems stuck in that rut.
DES
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no
2010/8/20 Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no:
Gabor PALI p...@freebsd.org writes:
Sorry for chiming in, just a quick idea. If you find the get a
high-level language that compiled to C idea good,
I don't think it's a good idea
Could you be more specific on your concerns? I am just curious.
On 8/20/2010 12:35 PM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Gabor PALIp...@freebsd.org writes:
Sorry for chiming in, just a quick idea. If you find the get a
high-level language that compiled to C idea good,
I don't think it's a good idea, and I don't understand why this thread
seems stuck in that
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:35:59 +0200 C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote:
But seriously, the point isn't so much which specific interpreter
we use (if we go down this road), it's about libraries: most
sysadmin tasks require some basic networking and I/O,
and a FFI to seamlessly call out C
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:
Anyway, system programming in Scheme is what interests me and
something I already tinker with on and off. If anyone is
interested (in helping or just playing with it), let me know
privately (but *not* on this mailing
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:33:08 +0200 =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=
d...@des.no wrote:
C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws writes:
After all LISP-like syntax is *still* more common and prevalent
than Lua, e.g. in Elisp, guile, esh, scsh and a lot of other apps
that use it as a small
Luigi Rizzo ri...@iet.unipi.it writes:
Having sources in some fantastic new language 'fuffa' and no 'fuffa2c'
tool is almost as bad as having no source (in fact, it is like the
joke of supplying source for the GPL'd software in your brand new
LCD tv or appliance. I'd like to know who will ever
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Andrew Reilly arei...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
got any other suggestions?
This is very much a sorry I asked question, but is none-the
less quite a good one, given the size of the hole to be plugged.
I
On 19/08/2010, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Andrew Reilly arei...@bigpond.net.au
wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
got any other suggestions?
This is very much a sorry I asked question, but is none-the
less quite a
Folks,
Sorry for chiming in, just a quick idea. If you find the get a
high-level language that compiled to C idea good, it might be worth
to take look at Feldspar [1]. It is about defining a domain-specific
language for a given domain (Digital Signal Processing) that compiles
to standard ISO
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:00:54 +0200 C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Andrew Reilly arei...@bigpond.net.au wro=
te:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
got any other suggestions?
This is very much a sorry I asked question, but
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:
+1 for Scheme! It has a lot in its favor (see below).
But this is an abstract discussion. Until there are plenty of
useful system scripts (in one of these languages) that people
really want, nothing is going to change.
I didn't want to prolong this now mostly off-topic discussion
too much, but:
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:00:54PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
+1 for a scheme shell, but not for the heavy-weight variety that
compiles to C, as that would tie them to a subset of ${ARCH}es.
Why do you say that? Most
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:40:37PM +0200, Ivan Voras wrote:
Will have to disagree on that - part of the point of having such a
thing would be to attract young developers, and while the CS crowd
will be happy with LISP, anyone starting programming after the first
.com bubble will probably be
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:47:39AM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote:
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:40:37PM +0200, Ivan Voras wrote:
Will have to disagree on that - part of the point of having such a
thing would be to attract young developers, and while the CS crowd
will be happy with LISP, anyone
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
got any other suggestions?
This is very much a sorry I asked question, but is none-the
less quite a good one, given the size of the hole to be plugged.
I think that a reasonable answer for this sort of thing might be
one of the
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:43:41PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
got any other suggestions?
This is very much a sorry I asked question, but is none-the
less quite a good one, given the size of the hole to be plugged.
I think that
+---[ Luigi Rizzo ]--
| On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:43:41PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote:
| On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
| got any other suggestions?
|
| This is very much a sorry I asked question, but is none-the
| less quite a good one,
Hi Luigi,
On 19/08/2010, at 00:28 , Luigi Rizzo wrote:
slightly off topic but I disagree on the latter part.
I didn't expect everyone to agree. Not sure that I do, necessarily, either.
(A neat, small language like TCL or Lua is probably better for most of the uses
we're discussing here.)
2010/8/16 Dag-Erling Smørgrav des at des.no:
Doug Barton dougb at FreeBSD.org writes:
lua too flavor of the day, not enough track record of stability,
not enough installed base/proven utility
You're wrong. Lua has been around for ages and is especially widely
used as a game
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, Ivan Voras wrote:
This is my long-term point - it really would be beneficial to have an
alternative, richer language in base which would fall between the
categories of a good system language but far too complex for simple
string-parsing stuff which is C and a good glue
On 16/08/2010, at 4:15 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, Ivan Voras wrote:
This is my long-term point - it really would be beneficial to have an
alternative, richer language in base which would fall between the
categories of a good system language but far too complex for simple
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700 I heard the voice of
Doug Barton, and lo! it spake thus:
However, a bigger reason was that it was impossible to marry our
concept of a stable branch with the ever-evolving world that was
perl.
This one at least is conceptually pretty easy to solve.
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1008152240370.66...@qbhto.arg, Doug Barton writes:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, Ivan Voras wrote:
This is my long-term point - [...]
Some of use were 12 years ahead of you :-)
I sort of agree with you here, but I don't. :) ONE of the reasons that
perl was axed [...]
Personally, I think the whole base and ports thing is an artificial
divide that is rapidly losing utility. I think we're past due for
stripping the FreeBSD base down to a much more bare minimum, and
having a lot more of the bells and whistles live in the ports tree.
Strongly disagree. One
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
...
PS: The sickening irony is that today we have two embedded languages,
one in the kernel even, and it is the most crappy ones you can
imagine: Forth and ACPI.
Besides the syntax FORTH ist the only embeddable high level language
which has both
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 09:47:40AM +0200, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
Personally, I think the whole base and ports thing is an artificial
divide that is rapidly losing utility. I think we're past due for
stripping the FreeBSD base down to a much more bare minimum, and
having a lot more of
Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org writes:
lua too flavor of the day, not enough track record of stability,
not enough installed base/proven utility
You're wrong. Lua has been around for ages and is especially widely
used as a game scripting engine. It is not intended as a standalone
zsh less POSIX-compliant, oddly deviant from standard
bourne-derived shells which makes graybeards break out in hives
also, see ruby under user community
ZSH has a POSIX-compliant interface through emulate -L sh or by naming
(linking) zsh binary sh.
even if the man page says
2010/8/16 Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no:
Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org writes:
lua too flavor of the day, not enough track record of stability,
not enough installed base/proven utility
You're wrong. Lua has been around for ages and is especially widely
used as a game scripting
On 08/16/2010 00:47, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
If I only wanted a kernel and everything else as installable packages,
I might as well use one of the Linux distributions.
That wasn't at all what I said, or what I was suggesting. There is a
middle ground between everything is a package and the
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