Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-21 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anatoly Vorobey writes: : I'm actually scared by "novice" because it would be inflicting on me : defaults I would almost probably not want. I never run anything but : "custom", and I suspect many people do the same. I'm much too impatient to run anything but express.

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-21 Thread Paul Richards
Jonathan Lemon wrote: In article local.mail.freebsd-current/[EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Kai Großjohann wrote: "Jordan K. Hubbard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-21 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kai=?iso-8859-1?q?_Gro=DFjohann?= writes: : Does this mean that this option should be called `guided'? I know a : little bit about Unix but haven't installed FreeBSD more than five : times or so. And I always thought that the novice install meant that : I didn't

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Brian J. McGovern" wrote: I don't know if I agree. "Custom" is exactly what it says... You can build out the system with specifically the components you want. Now, perhaps I'm out That proves "Custom" is not exactly what it says. You can do the same thing with Novice. ALL installation modes

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Dan Langille
On 20 Feb 00, at 6:56, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: "Guided". I like it. That's *PRECISELY* what this installation option is. There is NO difference in the number of choices available in any of the three types. I have many times encountered a user who avoided the NOVICE install and tried one of

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Jonathan Lemon
In article local.mail.freebsd-current/[EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Kai Großjohann wrote: "Jordan K. Hubbard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes sure that all the

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Jose M. Alcaide
Brian Beattie wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: "Guided". I like it. That's *PRECISELY* what this installation option is. There is NO difference in the number of choices available in any of the three types. Guided/Express/Expert. That's my vote. This still

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Anatoly Vorobey wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 11:28:45PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Novice is ok, it's the other two that are problematic. Well, particularly "custom". "Custom" does not scare away anyone, and is actually actractive to Windows users. It should be called "death

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Brian Beattie
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Kai Großjohann wrote: "Jordan K. Hubbard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes sure that all the appropriate

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Kai Großjohann wrote: "Jordan K. Hubbard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes sure that all the appropriate steps are covered and prevents even relatively

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote: At 10:36 AM 2/18/00 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: I will also say here and now that even I use the Standard installation since I don't like having to remember all the canonical steps in setting up a "stock" system and if anybody should remember them, it should

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:28:45 +0900, "Daniel C. Sobral" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Novice is ok, it's the other two that are problematic. Well, particularly "custom". "Custom" does not scare away anyone, and is actually actractive to Windows users. It should be called "death trap" or something

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Doug Barton wrote: "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: Hmmm. Odd, I've always noted the opposite. If you do the novice install (which everyone should if they're trying to test the "typical case"), I've always found the term "novice" to be a little off-putting. Perhaps "Standard

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 11:28:45PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Novice is ok, it's the other two that are problematic. Well, particularly "custom". "Custom" does not scare away anyone, and is actually actractive to Windows users. It should be called "death trap" or something like that...

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
it makes sense to slice it that way. Also, as far as teaching new users how to install it, I _always_ show them the custom route. While this may sound harsh, its used to familarize them with all of sub-components, and I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard instead

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Kai Großjohann
"Jordan K. Hubbard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes sure that all the appropriate steps are covered and prevents even relatively skilled people from hanging

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread Doug Barton
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: Hmmm. Odd, I've always noted the opposite. If you do the novice install (which everyone should if they're trying to test the "typical case"), I've always found the term "novice" to be a little off-putting. Perhaps "Standard Install" would be a better

feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread John Reynolds~
OK folks, here's some feedback on 4.0-RC2 from somebody who hasn't done a CD install in a while ... I got my new HDD in last night, put her in the machine and let it rip. Here's the things I found that either puzzled me or might stand a bit of enhancement before RC2-RELEASE. o As I've seen

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread Jose M. Alcaide
John Reynolds~ wrote: o Finally, again, it seems to me that the skeleton .cshrc, .profile, etc. files that are used for accounts creating during install should have the following variables set: setenv LC_ALL en_US.ISO_8859-1 setenv LC_CTYPE en_US.ISO_8859-1 setenv LANG

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
"Install" button and things proceeded to install with no hitches--however, i t seemed that randomly (because I couldn't pick out any pattern to it) the screen would flash back to the "FreeBSD Configuration Menu" as it cycled through new packages to install. The gray dialog that shows

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On 17 Feb, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: [Cc stripped] o Finally, again, it seems to me that the skeleton .cshrc, .profile, etc. files that are used for accounts creating during install should have the following variables set: setenv LC_ALL en_US.ISO_8859-1 setenv LC_CTYPE

RE: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread John Baldwin
On 17-Feb-00 John Reynolds~ wrote: OK folks, here's some feedback on 4.0-RC2 from somebody who hasn't done a CD install in a while ... I got my new HDD in last night, put her in the machine and let it rip. Here's the things I found that either puzzled me or might stand a bit of enhancement

RE: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread John Reynolds~
[ On Thursday, February 17, John Baldwin wrote: ] [printing ATA message about "waiting"] Soren's been bugged about this, bug him some more. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] BUG BUG BUG :) Hmm, it used to say something to that effect a while back. can't comment. I haven't done a CD install in a