Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:13:17 GMT, Nik Clayton wrote: We need more than just an ASCII capture. Grabbing the colour information is also very useful. This lets you make full colour pictures of things like sysinstall. Sure, I was just explaining what lots of users have asked for. I'm not

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Is Qt going to be put into the base system in this case? If I can wrestle along with figuring out a few little problems with Qt (ones that I could even somehow more easily solve with Motif!), then I'll continue to develop my system administration tool(s) with it. No, I don't envision

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Sebastian Lederer
"Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: Peter Jeremy wrote: Firstly, size: One of sysinstall's requirements is that it fit (along with a variety of other related commands) onto a floppy disk. Last time I checked, the /stand bundle (sysinstall + friends) was ~640K. The smallest X-server

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:26:04 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: I'm not yet 100% convinced that it would make sense to separate the propellers code into a module. Is 5 Kbyte of kernel code really that much of a problem? No, but think ahead, into a future where we use a teeny tiny kernel into

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:21:48 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: @@ -344,7 +352,7 @@ tools:: .for _tool in ${_strfile} ${_aout_tools} usr.bin/gensetdefs \ gnu/usr.bin/binutils usr.bin/objformat usr.bin/yacc usr.bin/colldef \ -gnu/usr.bin/bison gnu/usr.bin/cc +gnu/usr.bin/bison

Re: Upgrading from a not-very-current current

1999-12-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:24:40 CST, Bruce Albrecht wrote: Would it be simpler to install from the latest -current snap? Wait a few days. We're almost at the point where current CURRENT can be built on pre-sigset_t-changes CURRENT. Watch your cvs-all mail. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To

Problem with sbc driver and/or newpcm

1999-12-15 Thread Jeremy L. Stock
The sbc driver seems to correctly detect my soundcard for the first time since the introduction of newpcm but I don't actually get sound out of it. I think the IRQ it's detecting might be wrong. Both Windows 98 and the old pcm driver always used IRQ 10. Unfortunately my BIOS is too

Re: sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-15 Thread Martin Cracauer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Moolenaar wrote: Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:42:11 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: You set all those variables for the first make command, but not for the second. What did you expect to happen? That make(1) would execute.

Re: Speaking of moving files

1999-12-15 Thread Brad Knowles
At 6:44 PM -0800 1999/12/14, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: There... easy enough??? fsdb is not that big of a deal as long as you stay with the basic commands of cd, ls, chown, chmod, chgrp, rm and ln. It's the ones like uplink downlink chgen that can hose you up but good. If it looks like a

Re: Broken sh(1)?

1999-12-15 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Martin Cracauer wrote: You mix up variable settings for just one command vs. permanent ones; export VAR=foo VAR=bar sh -c 'echo $VAR' echo $VAR == bar foo This is correct, the second line's variable settings only affect the command behind it. The next command will have the original

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Thomas Runge
This all sounds like a decision, whether we want to be a desktop or a server-only system. For mainly server-oriented, the "install source to update" or console-based setups are quite enough, because the system will most probably administraded by people, that know, what they are doing. But if we

YA Non-DMA IDE controller...

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Murray
Hi My Toshiba Libretto has dogslow disk; here is the probe message. Any chances of getting this one to work in DMA mode? ad0: TOSHIBA MK4310MAT/G2.02 B ATA-4 disk at ata0 as master ad0: 4126MB (8452080 sectors), 8944 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, PIO M To

Re: YA Non-DMA IDE controller...

1999-12-15 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Mark Murray wrote: Hi My Toshiba Libretto has dogslow disk; here is the probe message. Any chances of getting this one to work in DMA mode? ad0: TOSHIBA MK4310MAT/G2.02 B ATA-4 disk at ata0 as master ad0: 4126MB (8452080 sectors), 8944 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: 16

Re: sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-15 Thread Martin Cracauer
OK, the problem is real. BTW, its worse: #! /bin/sh hash -v PATH=/sbin:/bin PATH=/foo:/bar:/bin ls hash -v ls = coredump Working on it. -- % Martin Cracauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ BSD User Group Hamburg,

Re: OpenSSL update

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Murray
Sounds great. I hope this means I get to import OpenSSH! Hell, yes! I reckon it may be better to let me do it; that way I can get Internat and Freefall synchronised. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: OpenSSL update

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Murray
Sound okay to everyone? Fine by me! :-) M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: ESS1688 newpcm support, soundblaster panics at boot

1999-12-15 Thread Doug Rabson
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: I have an old, wheezing Dell Lattitude LM with an ESS1688 sound chip. (specs at http://support.dell.com/docs/systems/pespmmx/specs.htm) I have managed to get newpcm to find the 1688 via 'options PNPBIOS' and the following patch: I've added

Re: Problem with sbc driver and/or newpcm

1999-12-15 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Jeremy L. Stock wrote: The sbc driver seems to correctly detect my soundcard for the first time since the introduction of newpcm but I don't actually get sound out of it. I think the IRQ it's detecting might be wrong. Both Windows 98 and the old pcm driver always used

Re: sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-15 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Martin Cracauer wrote: OK, the problem is real. BTW, its worse: #! /bin/sh hash -v PATH=/sbin:/bin PATH=/foo:/bar:/bin ls hash -v ls = coredump It seems to me that when there's a PATH= assignment you don't want to add anything to the cache or alternatively, clear the cache after

Re: YA Non-DMA IDE controller...

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Murray
It seems Mark Murray wrote: Hi My Toshiba Libretto has dogslow disk; here is the probe message. Any chances of getting this one to work in DMA mode? ad0: TOSHIBA MK4310MAT/G2.02 B ATA-4 disk at ata0 as master ad0: 4126MB (8452080 sectors), 8944 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S

Re: sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-15 Thread Martin Cracauer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Moolenaar wrote: It seems to me that when there's a PATH= assignment you don't want to add anything to the cache or alternatively, clear the cache after execution of the command having a PATH= assignment. The first solution is better, but the source messes with

Re: YA Non-DMA IDE controller...

1999-12-15 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Mark Murray wrote: It seems Mark Murray wrote: Hi My Toshiba Libretto has dogslow disk; here is the probe message. Any chances of getting this one to work in DMA mode? ad0: TOSHIBA MK4310MAT/G2.02 B ATA-4 disk at ata0 as master ad0: 4126MB (8452080 sectors), 8944

Re: sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-15 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Martin Cracauer wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Moolenaar wrote: It seems to me that when there's a PATH= assignment you don't want to add anything to the cache or alternatively, clear the cache after execution of the command having a PATH= assignment. The first solution is

Re: tagged openings now 31

1999-12-15 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Hellmuth Michaelis: Should i be concerned about this ? No. You have booted with "-v" haven't you ? It is just a message saying that the # of tagged commands is down from the default of 64 to 31. Nothing to worry about. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- [EMAIL

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Adam Strohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Hey, I like CUI. I'd rather install with a CUI than a GUI, all other things being equal. And besides some quirks here and there, I really like sysinstall. Its nice, but its not where it should be.

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Adam Strohl
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Thomas David Rivers wrote: This is important to note... 25% of all the installs I do are on MGA (remember monochrome graphics adapter - a hercules card.) True, hence there would be other display targets, ie; CUI, and I like Jordan's text-only non GUI idea, too. It

Kernel config utility

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
So, would having a kernel config utility help us get better reviews? I was thinking about something like an explorer-type thing that was divided into two panes. On the left would be LINT. Here, we would have icons representing the various devices. For example, we could ahve an icon

Re: sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-15 Thread Martin Cracauer
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Moolenaar wrote: Martin Cracauer wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Moolenaar wrote: It seems to me that when there's a PATH= assignment you don't want to add anything to the cache or alternatively, clear the cache after execution of the command

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:41:56 +0100, "Thomas Runge" wrote: So, we have a very good server OS, let's focus a little bit more on the desktop. Most developers are more concerned with improving the operating system itself than providing an inviting desktop experience. The problem is that it's

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Adam Strohl
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: VESA syscons, either using libvgl and an array of crude widgets or something like MGR and its widget set, has long been on the wish-list but I didn't even include it in my summary since it's still very much a pipe-dream. :-) Hmm, this has been a

Re: Problem with sbc driver and/or newpcm

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Newton
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 03:09:10AM -0600, Jeremy L. Stock wrote: The sbc driver seems to correctly detect my soundcard for the first time since the introduction of newpcm but I don't actually get sound out of it. Just a quick check: Can you type "mixer" at a shell prompt and check whether

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Newton
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Thomas Runge wrote: This all sounds like a decision, whether we want to be a desktop or a server-only system. I don't agree at all -- I think that's another divsion which is orthogonal to the current discussion. Why can't we be a server OS with a

Re: Kernel config utility

1999-12-15 Thread Bakul Shah
So, would having a kernel config utility help us get better reviews? I was thinking about something like an explorer-type thing that was divided into two panes. On the left would be LINT. Here, we would have icons representing the various devices. For example, we could ahve an icon

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:34 AM -0500 1999/12/15, Thomas David Rivers wrote: This is important to note... 25% of all the installs I do are on MGA (remember monochrome graphics adapter - a hercules card.) So, I would not be in favor of any replacement that required a VESA or VGA platform...

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Thomas Veldhouse
There a more Linux distros with grahical installs. Correl 1.0 - based upon debian. Also, I believe that SUSE 6.3 has one also. Tom Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Don 'Duck' Harper wrote: Sometime Tomorrow, Daniel C. Sobral said something like this: :-)But the fact is that

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-15 Thread Oliver Fromme
jack wrote in list.freebsd-current: Today Oliver Fromme wrote: I'm afraid that wouldn't work. In order to run non-trivial X11 apps, you _will_ need a full-blown X server, including X libs. You'll also need at least a very simple window manager (while xclock would probably work

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: VESA syscons, either using libvgl and an array of crude widgets or something like MGR and its widget set, has long been on the wish-list but I didn't even include it in my summary since it's still very much a pipe-dream. :-) There's actually one mode you forgot,

Re: ed driver, resources not released (was: Re: PCCARD eject freeze)

1999-12-15 Thread Nick Hibma
Better news. I've recompiled the kernel just now and that did not make a difference. Then I recompiled pccardd and pccardc and I can now suspend/resume my machine at will (as in I've suspended the machine during the writing of this message). Thanks. Nick On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Warner Losh wrote:

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Alexander Langer
Thus spake Don 'Duck' Harper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): fires up XFree86's VGA server. And it fits all this on one floppy. They do have two floppies, one for local CD/disk installs, and another for NFS/FTP/HTTP/SMB installs. So, I know it can be done. Is it worth the effort? I donno. Maybe

Re: microuptime problem/error ?

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Please send me the output of the following: xntpdc -c loopinfo xntpdc -c kerninfo xntpdc -c peer Poul-Henning In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Khetan Gajjar writes: Hi. I've started seeing "microuptime() went backwards" errors, followed by calcru errors. I think it's

Re: Kernel config utility

1999-12-15 Thread Darren Wiebe
Donn Miller wrote: So, would having a kernel config utility help us get better reviews? I was thinking about something like an explorer-type thing that was divided into two panes. On the left would be LINT. Here, we would have icons representing the various devices. For example, we

Re: vinum start needs block device

1999-12-15 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: Note: this fixes some recent problems (Hi Greg!) that I've been having. Really? I thought they were more serious. So did I. Although, I did a 'make world' after I saw the change go in, so the fix could have come from a different commit. In any

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:26:29 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: Sure, in that case, syscons itself should be a module, shouldn't it? I would have thought so, yes. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: Kernel config utility

1999-12-15 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
I can definitely see advanatages, not that I would use it myself. :-) I also think that if it was written properly, which I'm sure that it would be, it could also be used to setup ppp etc.. By clicking on the icons, a properties pane would show the properties for this device. Of

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Oliver Fromme
Alexander Langer wrote in list.freebsd-current: Thus spake Don 'Duck' Harper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): fires up XFree86's VGA server. And it fits all this on one floppy. They do have two floppies, one for local CD/disk installs, and another for NFS/FTP/HTTP/SMB installs. So, I know it

Re: Problem with sbc driver and/or newpcm

1999-12-15 Thread Nick Hibma
Same here: henny:n_hibma# mixer Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 Mixer synthis currently set to 0:0 Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 sbc0: ESS

Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Andrew Gallatin
I have a few "scratch" servers which are running -current from early July. They serve large, fast scratch filesystems striped over 4 large IDE drives. With the recent improvements to the NFS code the ATA code, I was hoping to get them running a more recent -current. However, I'm seeing a

Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Thomas Veldhouse
Does the newpcm system support the Sound Blaster 128 PCI card (ESS1371 chipset)? I am aware of a pcm dirver for it in STABLE, but I have not tried it. Tom Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-15 Thread Robert Watson
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: The RZ1000 is *dangerous*! We are doing no favours by making it run.. :-/ IMHO It is better to loose the user by not playing ball than to corrupt their data or run unreliably and make them hate us for it.

Re: Upgrading from a not-very-current current

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Albrecht writes: : I know that I need to build the tools for config, and build a new : kernel, and reboot it before doing a make world. My question is, : after booting the new kernel, do I run MAKEDEV immediately, or do I run : make world before runnning

libcc_drv.a fails to compile on 12/14 sup

1999-12-15 Thread Bruce Burden
Hi, I am attempting to build the source, and am getting the following error: cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.95.2\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../cc_tools

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oliver Fromme writes: : That's because X itself contains a very simple "windowmanager" : functionality, which focuses the window beneath the mouse : pointer. But when you have to access something which is behind : another window, you lose. That's not entirely true.

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
:However, I'm seeing a showstopping problem when running newer kernels: :When writing a large file via TCP, a Solaris 2.7 client pauses when :closing the file, and appears to become stuck in an infinate loop. :Eg: : :dd if=/dev/zero of=zot bs=64k count=8192 :8192+0 records in :8192+0 records out

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas Veldhouse writes: : Does the newpcm system support the Sound Blaster 128 PCI card (ESS1371 : chipset)? I am aware of a pcm dirver for it in STABLE, but I have not : tried it. Looking at src/sys/dev/sound/pci/es137x.c, we find the comment: * Support the

Re: libcc_drv.a fails to compile on 12/14 sup

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Burden writes: : Yet I see people are getting their builds to work. Okay, what :did I miss? Looks like a bug to me... What is the date/version of the system you are updating? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oliver Fromme writes: : That's because X itself contains a very simple "windowmanager" : functionality, which focuses the window beneath the mouse : pointer. But when you have to access something which is behind :

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Thomas Veldhouse
Thanks, I will CVSUP tonight and try out the new sound and ATA at the same time. I am runing on an AMD board (Compaq style 751 chipset) with a 200MHz FSB. Promises to be interesting with ATA and sound. Everthing always takes work with this board, because I can't disable PNP. Tom

kernel crash via /usr/bin/ktrace

1999-12-15 Thread tstromberg
While testing ktrace today for the FreeBSD-Audit project with smashwidgets, I left the room and came back to my bios booting up. Unfortunatly smashwidgets wasn't in full logging mode for speed, so I don't know what arguments or environment variablesm were executed to trigger the crash. What

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Matthew Dillon writes: This is very odd. Does it lockup with UDP or only with TCP? And only with a solaris client? This appears to be solaris only. I just tried a UDP mount I see the same problem. Is there anything else I can do? ... : :- UDP NFS write performance from

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Thomas Veldhouse wrote: I will CVSUP tonight and try out the new sound and ATA at the same time. I am runing on an AMD board (Compaq style 751 chipset) with a 200MHz FSB. Promises to be interesting with ATA and sound. Everthing always takes work with this board,

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
: : :Matthew Dillon writes: : This is very odd. Does it lockup with UDP or only with TCP? And only : with a solaris client? : :This appears to be solaris only. I just tried a UDP mount I see the :same problem. Is there anything else I can do? Yes, see if you can repeat the

Kernel config utility

1999-12-15 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:49:27 -0500, Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: thing that was divided into two panes. On the left would be LINT. Here, we would have icons representing the various devices. This is actually a really cool idea, although it needs a bit of refinement, and we would

Re: Kernel config utility

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Garrett Wollman wrote: Icons are probably not the right user interface. I'd suggest something like Windows's ``hardware manager'' (in the System control panel). Some people were afraid that it would end up like the Windows registry. Well, even if it did, I'd argue that

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Thomas Veldhouse wrote: Thanks, I will CVSUP tonight and try out the new sound and ATA at the same time. I am runing on an AMD board (Compaq style 751 chipset) with a 200MHz FSB. Promises to be interesting with ATA and sound. Everthing always takes work with this board,

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Donn Miller writes: : I've got the ESS 1868 chipset, and all I get is static. In fact, when I : press the "play" button in RealPlayer, the sound clip never starts but : hangs in the beginning. Then, RealPlayer itself hangs. I end up killing : RealPlayer with

Re: Kernel config utility

1999-12-15 Thread John LoVerso
Some people were afraid that it would end up like the Windows registry. But it wouldn't, because that isn't the right thing. A kernel config utility should end up functioning like XF86Setup. When was the last time most people made an XF86Config file since that program came around? and we

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-15 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Robert Watson wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: The RZ1000 is *dangerous*! We are doing no favours by making it run.. :-/ IMHO It is better to loose the user by not playing ball than to corrupt their data or run unreliably and make them hate us for it.

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Chris Costello wrote: So is all of this (TCL, Qt, et. al.) going into the base system to facilitate this work? NOT AGAIN! Please! In particular TCL. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) who is as social as a wampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe:

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Chris Costello wrote: What do you want in making Unix quick to administer? Seems to me that's the real goal of those things. Click click click done, you know. /me clear the throat GUI's are *NEVER* the faster way to administer. They can make faster a very limited set of tasks. When I

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: Yea... been hearing that for 4 years... one of it's big short comings is that it needs a persistent backing store for this. Sounds like this C program could fullfill one of the missing parts of devfs :-) F persistent backing store. The daemon solution is perfectly

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Wilko Bulte wrote: This does, however, have all the risks of building yet another SMIT or SAM. :-( Neither attempt at making Unix sysadm 'user-friendly' makes me want to cheer. Actually, I very much like both SMIT (in it's 4.x incarnation) and SAM. Sure, I'll complain loudly if that was the

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-15 Thread Oliver Fromme
Warner Losh wrote in list.freebsd-current: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oliver Fromme writes: : That's because X itself contains a very simple "windowmanager" : functionality, which focuses the window beneath the mouse : pointer. But when you have to access something which is behind

Re: libcc_drv.a fails to compile on 12/14 sup

1999-12-15 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Bruce Burden wrote: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../cc_drv/libcc_drv.a(choose-temp.o): In function `make_temp_file': choose-temp.o(.text+0x264): undefined reference to `mkstemps' *** Error code 1 Yet I see people are getting their builds to work. Okay, what

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-15 Thread Oliver Fromme
Donn Miller wrote in list.freebsd-current: On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Warner Losh wrote: [...] There is no placement management, no redirection of windows, no visibility management or anything of the sort in the X server. It But, if there's only one app running, then that app gets the

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Thomas Runge
"Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: Perhaps you mean "easy" instead of "quick"? Or maybe "quick" as in "flat learning curve"? Thats it. We have to provide some tools to easily administrate the system for the *avarage* user (but without breaking the "old fashioned way") It would be nice, if we really

AMI MEGARAID problems.

1999-12-15 Thread David Gilbert
I'm having trouble convincing -CURRENT to disklabel or newfs an AMI MEGARAID adapter. amr0: AMI MegaRAID irq 10 at device 11.1 on pci0 amr0: firmware GH89 bios 1.41 16MB memory amrd0: MegaRAID logical drive on amr0 amrd0: 122647MB (251181056 sectors) RAID 5 (optimal) [1:22:322]root@raid1:~

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Daniel C. Sobral" writes: "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: Yea... been hearing that for 4 years... one of it's big short comings is that it needs a persistent backing store for this. Sounds like this C program

INET6 userland tools

1999-12-15 Thread Chad David
I may be missing the obvious, but what is everybody using for userland tools (ping6 etc) on current? I haven't tried, but will the kame-snap tools for 3 work? Thanks Chad To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Clive Lin
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 12:37:43PM -0500, Donn Miller wrote: I've got the ESS 1868 chipset, and all I get is static. In fact, when I press the "play" button in RealPlayer, the sound clip never starts but hangs in the beginning. Then, RealPlayer itself hangs. I end up killing RealPlayer

make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread Steve Kargl
FreeBSD-current source cvsup'd at 1034pst on 991215. -- Building libraries -- cd /usr/src; COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin

Today's make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread Forrest Aldrich
FYI just CVSup'd and got this: X-UIDL: 495287ccf607850cc65e4c59c7b49751 cd /usr/src/lib/librpcsvc; make beforeinstall cd /usr/src/lib/libskey;make beforeinstall sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/lib/libskey/skey.h

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Also, while read performance has improved by 44%, write performance :has degraded by between 50 - 70% (FreeBSD clients)! Here are some :quick benchmarks. Note that the file size of 512MB is larger than :memory on both the server and client. Also note that the disk array :on the server will

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 11:33:19PM +1030, Mark Newton wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Thomas Runge wrote: For mainly server-oriented, the "install source to update" or console-based setups are quite enough, because the system will most probably administraded by people,

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:28:32PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 1999, Donn Miller wrote: Maybe we could call it "sysconfig", in honor of the old /etc/sysconfig file that was superceded bt /etc/rc.conf. That's not very creative! I had "Trident" in mind. Only problem

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:44:32PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: This does, however, have all the risks of building yet another SMIT or SAM. :-( Neither attempt at making Unix sysadm 'user-friendly' makes me want to cheer. What do you want in

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 03:32:09PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: And: how many people would volunteer for such a job? Or is it assumed that since this appears suspiciously like Real Work it will be a paid-for job? It will be a paid-for job, naturally. :) Something we also have to

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Matthew Dillon writes: :Also, while read performance has improved by 44%, write performance :has degraded by between 50 - 70% (FreeBSD clients)! Here are some :quick benchmarks. Note that the file size of 512MB is larger than :memory on both the server and client. Also note that

tagged openings now 31, 25, 2; ncr0: queue empty.

1999-12-15 Thread Hellmuth Michaelis
From the keyboard of Hellmuth Michaelis: from time to time (i have no idea how to reproduce it or what causes it) i get the following message on the console of one of my current systems: (da1:ncr0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 31 The drive causing this is a da1 at ncr0 bus 0

kernel build breakage if COMPAT_43 not defined

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
The compile dies with prototype-missing errors on osig*() routines in kern/kern_sig.c and i386/i386/machdep.c if COMPAT_43 is not defined. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) How about PolarBear in that case? :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Darren Wiebe
Wilko Bulte wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:28:32PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 1999, Donn Miller wrote: Maybe we could call it "sysconfig", in honor of the old /etc/sysconfig file that was superceded bt /etc/rc.conf. That's not very creative! I had "Trident"

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Russell Cattelan
Thomas Veldhouse wrote: Does the newpcm system support the Sound Blaster 128 PCI card (ESS1371 chipset)? I am aware of a pcm dirver for it in STABLE, but I have not tried it. The only major problems have been with certain ASUS motherboards and some of the newer PCI128's. (the card freezes)

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Wilko Bulte wrote: Whatever [CG]UI you throw at the problem at hand: there is *NO* programmer- fixable way out from cluelessnes. What good would be a system that is a snap to install but once it is installed it says # to you? It says /etc/motd to you, actually. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jon Parise
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 11:44:17AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) How about PolarBear in that case? :) I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. Promoting a

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Matthew Dillon writes: : : :Matthew Dillon writes: : This is very odd. Does it lockup with UDP or only with TCP? And only : with a solaris client? : :This appears to be solaris only. I just tried a UDP mount I see the :same problem. Is there anything else I

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread patrick
On 15 Dec, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) How about PolarBear in that case? :) Okpicky time here. Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, Greenland, etc). Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-15 19:57:49 +1100, Sheldon Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -gnu/usr.bin/bison gnu/usr.bin/cc +gnu/usr.bin/bison gnu/usr.bin/cc gnu/usr.bin/texinfo Presumably this hunk is a stray fix for something other than the fortune database? :-) Yes it is. I was having problems with

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Darren Wiebe
Jon Parise wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 11:44:17AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) How about PolarBear in that case? :) I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the North Pole and penguins are from the

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, Greenland, etc). Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. I knew we'd get to the bottom of this eventually. We're hackers, not naturalists! :-) OK, I

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