Re: Breaking build world costs $5? (was: Can we please have a current that compiles?)
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 09:21:54PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Maybe the comitters ought to take an idea from many software companies and contribute $5 to the beer fund every time they break the build. Have it all come due at the next BSDcon to fund a committer beer bash. :-) I'd go along with that. What do the other committers think? I think it's a genuinely stupid idea. It was sufficiently stupid that my previously stated opinion on the topic was in anger so hastily written and fired-off that only its immediate target understood quite how rude I was being, rather than the broad audience I had been hoping for. -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: OpenSSH 2.1
Err, well it still requires openssl, which I think is firmly rooted in the crypto distribution as long as we have one. Is it? I thought the RSAref code being pluggable gave it some protection, or is merely "pluggability" also classified as crypto? I do recall someone saying something to that effect once... - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
On Mon, 15 May 2000 23:08:23 -0400, Donn Miller wrote: Check it out at: http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/ Yes, that is great news! I tried compiling it, but I had trouble with lib/Xm/Scale.c. It wanted to include langinfo.h, which FreeBSD doesn't have. I've integrated NetBSD's langinfo and nl_types support into FreeBSD. I can send you patches if you haven't managed to work around this yet? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Sheldon Hearn wrote: I've integrated NetBSD's langinfo and nl_types support into FreeBSD. I can send you patches if you haven't managed to work around this yet? Great. Please send me the patches. BTW, by "integrated", do you mean that you've integrated them into the base FreeBSD distribution, or is it a port (or merely a set of patches)? Thanks. - Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Archive pruning
On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, David Scheidt wrote: On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Bush Doctor wrote: Out of da blue David Scheidt aka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Not incidently, SCO have waived the $100 license application fee, which means that you can get your own official Ancient UNIX(TM) Source Code License for free. This roughly cuts in half the cost of the disks for someone not covered under a orginizaitonal souce code license. Is there a new license form to sign or do we just fill out the current form without sending the applicateion fee? I don't know. SCO just made the announcement a week or two ago -- the same time they BSD licensed cscope -- and don't appear to have made changes to their web site yet. The press release is at http://www.sco.com/press/releases/2000/6927.html It might be worthwhile to attempt to contact the contact name on the release. SCO have updated their webpages, to show that they are now giving these licenses away. See http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html. They also have have the 5th, 6th and 7th edition UNIXs available, as well as system III and 32V available. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
I think that you no longer have to include Motif with the JDK. Just let the distribution of Motif come from freebsd.org , i.e., a port or a package. Too much hassle IMO. I'd *much* rather distribute it as part of the package, and I'm looking into how feasible it would be to distribute inside of the JDK. If this Open Motif can be distributed as a port or package for FreeBSD itself (and it seems to me that it can), then what hassle is that for JDK on FreeBSD? My guess is the Open Motif port/package will exist on FreeBSD anyway, for those who want motif but are not going to install JDK. At that point, it's just another package-dependency for the JDK like any other package-dependency. Certainly no one will want TWO copies of Open Motif... --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
I think that you no longer have to include Motif with the JDK. Just let the distribution of Motif come from freebsd.org , i.e., a port or a package. Too much hassle IMO. I'd *much* rather distribute it as part of the package, and I'm looking into how feasible it would be to distribute inside of the JDK. If this Open Motif can be distributed as a port or package for FreeBSD itself (and it seems to me that it can), then what hassle is that for JDK on FreeBSD? It requires two downloads to get a working JDK system. No other OS requires multiple packages to work. People shouldn't have to compile Motif up just to get a non-source version of the JDK to work. Versioning problems that can be caused by folks using different include files and/or X than what was used to build the JDK. Bugs that have slipped in due to changes in the Motif port that negatively effect the JDK. Shall I go on? Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: OpenSSH 2.1
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 09:54:52PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: Err, well it still requires openssl, which I think is firmly rooted in the crypto distribution as long as we have one. Even so, moving SSH into the bindist would be one less thing that has to be merged into Internat all the time. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Mon, 15 May 2000 23:08:23 -0400, Donn Miller wrote: Check it out at: http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/ Yes, that is great news! I tried compiling it, but I had trouble with lib/Xm/Scale.c. It wanted to include langinfo.h, which FreeBSD doesn't have. I've integrated NetBSD's langinfo and nl_types support into FreeBSD. I can send you patches if you haven't managed to work around this yet? That's interesting. I compiled it without problems. Why would it look for langinfo.h on one machine and not another? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: cvsup on recent -CURRENT
Which host are you pilling from? I am slurping things out of ^^^ I've seen this post now three times and I still can't remember what word I wanted to use there. :-) It must be age I guess... Nick -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
At 9:35 AM -0600 5/16/00, Nate Williams wrote: If this Open Motif can be distributed as a port or package for FreeBSD itself (and it seems to me that it can), then what hassle is that for JDK on FreeBSD? It requires two downloads to get a working JDK system. No other OS requires multiple packages to work. As long as package-dependencies are handled automatically, I do not see this as a problem. People shouldn't have to compile Motif up just to get a non-source version of the JDK to work. Versioning problems that can be caused by folks using different include files and/or X than what was used to build the JDK. Bugs that have slipped in due to changes in the Motif port that negatively effect the JDK. Hmm. You're saying that if I already have X installed, and if I already have Open Motif installed, then if JDK uses these already-working packages it will have bugs, and thus it has to install it's own version of Motif? (and it's own version of X?). I don't have any reason to doubt you, if you say that's true, but if that's true then it does not leave me with a "warm and fuzzy" feeling about JDK/Motif. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
If this Open Motif can be distributed as a port or package for FreeBSD itself (and it seems to me that it can), then what hassle is that for JDK on FreeBSD? It requires two downloads to get a working JDK system. No other OS requires multiple packages to work. As long as package-dependencies are handled automatically, I do not see this as a problem. People shouldn't have to compile Motif up just to get a non-source version of the JDK to work. Versioning problems that can be caused by folks using different include files and/or X than what was used to build the JDK. Bugs that have slipped in due to changes in the Motif port that negatively effect the JDK. Hmm. You're saying that if I already have X installed, and if I already have Open Motif installed, then if JDK uses these already-working packages it will have bugs, and thus it has to install it's own version of Motif? No, I'm saying that OpenSource Motif *will* be going through lots of gyrations in the future, and these gyrations may cause instabilities in the JDK. But, if the JDK uses the Motif version it was compiled against, it will work 'consistently. Unlike X (which rarely changes), I suspect the Motif stuff to change alot. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
No, I'm saying that OpenSource Motif *will* be going through lots of gyrations in the future, and these gyrations may cause instabilities in the JDK. But, if the JDK uses the Motif version it was compiled against, it will work 'consistently. Unlike X (which rarely changes), I suspect the Motif stuff to change alot. Nate IT seems to me that this might not be much of a problem. Have a "last stable motif" port/package. The JDK guys can choose when to move it to a new version, and should do so when they see a version that doen't cause problems for the JDK. Don't give this port/package the normal motif library names, but sim-link it to those names. Compile the JDK against the special lib names, not the normal motif names. Now, have a "bleeding edge" motif that can be installed. it installs into the normal motif locations. look what this does for the user: 1. If they'd rather be stable anyways, they just install the last-good version. all is well - both the jdk and their other apps see an acceptable motif. 2. If they need bleeding-edge, they can install it. JDK will still work. Yes, they have two motif versions, but they need both versions, so this is OK. 3. If they start out last-good, and move to bleeding edge, everything works out just fine. 4. If a bleeding-edge user updates their last-good motif, it doesn't screw things up since last-good can't sim-link over the real libs. Just the JDK is affected. 5. If a user doesn't use the jdk, they can install bleeding-edge and it works for all non-JDK apps. One usefull addon would be to have bleeding-edge re-create the last-good sim-links when it is pkg_deleted if that's possible. Just my $0.02 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: OpenSSH 2.1
On Mon, 15 May 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Err, well it still requires openssl, which I think is firmly rooted in the crypto distribution as long as we have one. Is it? I thought the RSAref code being pluggable gave it some protection, or is merely "pluggability" also classified as crypto? I do recall someone saying something to that effect once... It used to be enough. But I'm suddenly confused what you're actually talking about here: OpenSSH, OpenSSL, or RSAREF. OpenSSH has never included crypto code, but it's useless without OpenSSL which quite certainly does. OpenSSH no longer requires RSAREF to operate (if you've got clients/servers willing to do DSA SSH2), which is the "non-free" component I was talking about. OTOH, if you're talking about being able to unify the freefall and internat CVS repositories wrt OpenSSH, we could also probably do this today as well (after you've checked and got that legal advice I've been bugging you about :) OTGH, what *were* you talking about? :-) Kris In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Archive pruning
On Tue, 16 May 2000, David Scheidt wrote: On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, David Scheidt wrote: On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Bush Doctor wrote: Out of da blue David Scheidt aka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Not incidently, SCO have waived the $100 license application fee, which means that you can get your own official Ancient UNIX(TM) Source Code License for free. This roughly cuts in half the cost of the disks for someone not covered under a orginizaitonal souce code license. Is there a new license form to sign or do we just fill out the current form without sending the applicateion fee? I don't know. SCO just made the announcement a week or two ago -- the same time they BSD licensed cscope -- and don't appear to have made changes to their web site yet. The press release is at http://www.sco.com/press/releases/2000/6927.html It might be worthwhile to attempt to contact the contact name on the release. SCO have updated their webpages, to show that they are now giving these licenses away. See http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html. They also have have the 5th, 6th and 7th edition UNIXs available, as well as system III and 32V available. This makes checking the 'this command dates from xxx version' much easier 8-) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Nate Williams wrote: Unlike X (which rarely changes), I suspect the Motif stuff to change alot. I'm unclear on what gyrations you are expecting from a mature API codified in an IEEE standard. As long as you're using the Motif standard interface in your code you should have nothing to worry about. Brandon D. Valentine -- "You should believe in death, taxes, Larry Ellison's loathing of Bill Gates and Intel's inability to ship a working chipset." - Dr Spinola, The Register, 05/13/2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Wide-char support and libc
Anyone like the idea of adding wide char support to our libc? Maybe
we could port it over from {Net,Open}BSD or BSDi. This would add the
header file wctype.h, etc.
- Donn
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Re: Motif is now Open Source 8)
Unlike X (which rarely changes), I suspect the Motif stuff to change alot. I'm unclear on what gyrations you are expecting from a mature API codified in an IEEE standard. As long as you're using the Motif standard interface in your code you should have nothing to worry about. Ahh, but I'm not expecting the API to change, but I'm expecting the internals to change. For example, Sun changed Motif in between JDK1.1 and JDK1.2 because of bugs in it. Also, Motif doesn't compile under FreeBSD cleanly right now, and I expect it to change as it supports internationalization and such. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Breaking build world costs $5? (was: Can we please have a current that compiles?)
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: Maybe the comitters ought to take an idea from many software companies and contribute $5 to the beer fund every time they break the build. Have it all come due at the next BSDcon to fund a committer beer bash. :-) I'd go along with that. What do the other committers think? I think it's a genuinely stupid idea. - Jordan I nominate HIM to be the keeper of the funds. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
