Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-23 Thread James R. Van Artsdalen
On 2/22/2011 2:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: When that does come, it will probably be driven by BIOS and hardware vendors dropping support for MBR. MBR is not a BIOS concept. MBR is an OS thing. The BIOS does not care or know what kind of partitioning you use, or if you partition at all. A GPT

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:15:09 am James R. Van Artsdalen wrote: On 2/22/2011 2:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: When that does come, it will probably be driven by BIOS and hardware vendors dropping support for MBR. MBR is not a BIOS concept. MBR is an OS thing. The BIOS does not care

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-23 Thread Bruce Cran
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 11:33 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: That is mostly true. There are some SCSI BIOSes that would examine the MBR and infer what C/H/S geometry the OS was expecting from the MBR. The original dedicated disk dummy MBR triggered a divide by zero in one of these BIOS ROMs. I

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 01:03 -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: I suppose my last question is along the lines of, If adding geom_mirror support to sysinstall was easy, why has it been 6+ years since gmirror made it's appearance in FreeBSD and you still can't create or install to a gmirror with

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 21, 2011, at 11:03 PM, Josh Paetzel wrote: On Monday, February 21, 2011 08:38:03 pm Devin Teske wrote: Really, the crux of the issue is that our organization is **just now** migrating off of FreeBSD-4 (yes, it's true... there are over 1,000 FreeBSD-4.11 machines running in

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread John Baldwin
On Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:34:11 am grarpamp wrote: Sysinstall is fine, as I'm sure any replacement will be. So I'll just note a few things I'd like to see in any such replacement... 1 - I used install.cfg's on floppies to clone systems, a lot. Hands on the box were needed with that.

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 02/22/11 06:45, John Baldwin wrote: On Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:34:11 am grarpamp wrote: Sysinstall is fine, as I'm sure any replacement will be. So I'll just note a few things I'd like to see in any such replacement... 1 - I used install.cfg's on floppies to clone systems, a lot.

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:26:33 am Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 02/22/11 06:45, John Baldwin wrote: On Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:34:11 am grarpamp wrote: Sysinstall is fine, as I'm sure any replacement will be. So I'll just note a few things I'd like to see in any such

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 02/22/11 11:14, John Baldwin wrote: On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:26:33 am Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 02/22/11 06:45, John Baldwin wrote: On Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:34:11 am grarpamp wrote: Sysinstall is fine, as I'm sure any replacement will be. So I'll just note a few things I'd

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: That's the operative word here (supports). Lord help us when that changes to requires (that is to say, if/when the FreeBSD kernel becomes legacy-free with respect to supporting fdisk/disklabel partitioned disks). When that does

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: That's the operative word here (supports). Lord help us when that changes to requires (that is to say, if/when the FreeBSD kernel becomes legacy-free with respect to

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: That's the operative word here (supports). Lord help us when that changes to requires (that is to say,

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 22, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: That's the operative word here (supports). Lord

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: On Feb 22, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Garrett Cooper gcoo...@freebsd.orgwrote: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: That's the operative word

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Saturday, February 19, 2011 02:44:42 am Bruce Cran wrote: On Saturday 19 February 2011 03:04:39 Devin Teske wrote: There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although it remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason, all of the reasons behind our motivation are

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Bruce Cran
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 16:12 -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: pc-sysinstall has been used as the PC-BSD installer for quite a while now, and has done a lot of installs on a lot of different hardware platforms. I'll wager that the compatibility of the shell command gpart is a better bet than

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Bruce Cran
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 16:12 -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: pc-sysinstall has been used as the PC-BSD installer for quite a while now, and has done a lot of installs on a lot of different hardware platforms. I'll wager that the compatibility of the shell command gpart is a better bet than

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Josh Paetzel wrote: On Saturday, February 19, 2011 02:44:42 am Bruce Cran wrote: On Saturday 19 February 2011 03:04:39 Devin Teske wrote: There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although it remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason,

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Monday, February 21, 2011 08:38:03 pm Devin Teske wrote: Really, the crux of the issue is that our organization is **just now** migrating off of FreeBSD-4 (yes, it's true... there are over 1,000 FreeBSD-4.11 machines running in production at this very moment spanning the entire United

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-19 Thread Bruce Cran
On Saturday 19 February 2011 03:04:39 Devin Teske wrote: There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although it remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason, all of the reasons behind our motivation are in-fact unselfish). Truth-be-told, I welcome the replacement of

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-19 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 19/02/2011, at 20:04, grarpamp wrote: 1 - I used install.cfg's on floppies to clone systems, a lot. Hands on the box were needed with that. Operators skills were in question, so having them use the dialog menus properly was a pain and often resulted in non-zeroed disk or half built

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-18 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 01/18/11 11:38, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: This plan ensures that we have a minimum of three months of testing of the new installer on snapshot media before the 9.0 release, which should ensure a minimum of bugs. I would also like to point out that there are no roads in this map that end up

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-18 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 01/18/11 11:38, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: This plan ensures that we have a minimum of three months of testing of the new installer on snapshot media before the 9.0 release, which should ensure a minimum of bugs. I would also like to

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-18 Thread Shawn Webb
There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although it remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason, all of the reasons behind our motivation are in-fact unselfish). Truth-be-told, I welcome the replacement of sysinstall but am very wary that ANY replacement will be able

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-18 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 02/18/11 22:11, Shawn Webb wrote: There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although it remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason, all of the reasons behind our motivation are in-fact unselfish). Truth-be-told, I welcome the replacement of sysinstall but am very