Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-30 Thread Andrey A. Chernov

On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 11:10:47AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
>   If you must operate at this reduced level of security, add
>   'options RANDOMDEV' to your kernel or modload the randomdev
>   module.
> 
> I think is much closer to reality.  Thanks for the patch, it was just
> want I needed to get over the hump.  I have it in my copy of UPDATING
> now and will commit it later today.

The last phrase can be more specific - "add randomdev_load="YES" to your
/boot/loader.conf"

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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-30 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archie Cobbs writes:
: OK, does this sound correct?

Almost.

: diff -u -r1.91 UPDATING
: --- UPDATING  2000/06/29 00:34:54 1.91
: +++ UPDATING  2000/06/30 17:01:58
: @@ -21,6 +21,10 @@
:   openssh and openssl should not be used to generate keys from this
:   date to the completion of the work.
:  
: + Alternately, just include 'options RANDOMDEV' in your kernel
: + and everything will start working again, albeit with reduced
: + security.
: +

If you must operate at this reduced level of security, add
'options RANDOMDEV' to your kernel or modload the randomdev
module.

I think is much closer to reality.  Thanks for the patch, it was just
want I needed to get over the hump.  I have it in my copy of UPDATING
now and will commit it later today.

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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-30 Thread Archie Cobbs

Warner Losh writes:
> : check in the fix thanks to the broken ssh. So now I'm now building
> : another kernel with RANDOMDEV, even though that this is the solution
> : was not at all obvious from reading UPDATING.
> 
> Patches to UPDATING welcome.  Grumping about UPDATING ignored. :-)

OK, does this sound correct?

diff -u -r1.91 UPDATING
--- UPDATING2000/06/29 00:34:54 1.91
+++ UPDATING2000/06/30 17:01:58
@@ -21,6 +21,10 @@
openssh and openssl should not be used to generate keys from this
date to the completion of the work.
 
+   Alternately, just include 'options RANDOMDEV' in your kernel
+   and everything will start working again, albeit with reduced
+   security.
+
 2622:
The license on the softupdates is now a standard 2 clause
BSD license.  You may need to remove your symbolic links

-Archie

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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-30 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archie Cobbs writes:
: check in the fix thanks to the broken ssh. So now I'm now building
: another kernel with RANDOMDEV, even though that this is the solution
: was not at all obvious from reading UPDATING.

Patches to UPDATING welcome.  Grumping about UPDATING ignored. :-)

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Re: Boot hang (was Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional)

2000-06-30 Thread Doug Barton

"Andrey A. Chernov" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 12:46:59PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> >   Are you using any optimizations other than "-O -pipe"? There's a
> > problem since Peter's recent changes that cause it to bomb out with
> > anything more exotic.
> 
> Yes, this was a reason.
> I have "-O2 -pipe" instead of "-O -pipe", but I have it working for years!

Yep, I was in the same boat. Price of progress I suppose. :)

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Boot hang (was Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional)

2000-06-30 Thread Andrey A. Chernov

On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 12:46:59PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>   Are you using any optimizations other than "-O -pipe"? There's a
> problem since Peter's recent changes that cause it to bomb out with
> anything more exotic. 

Yes, this was a reason.
I have "-O2 -pipe" instead of "-O -pipe", but I have it working for years!

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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-29 Thread Garance A Drosihn

At 1:10 PM -0700 6/29/00, Kris Kennaway wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Archie Cobbs wrote:
>
> > Luckily I happened to have seen -current in the past couple of days.
> > Trying to search -current on the web site for the appropriate keywords
> > yeilded only articles from the years 1997 through 1999, nothing in
> > 2000, and there is no way to sort by date anyway.
>
>docs.freebsd.org and browse the archives directly.

Also, note that the problem is what the web site is REPORTING for the
dates on messages, and not that the messages themselves are missing.
I recently filed PR Docs/19507 on this.  It wouldn't surprise me if
someone else has filed a PR on it.

The problem is that most articles which REALLY have a date in 2000
are REPORTED as having the same date as the most recent article in
the search list which is not in year 2000.  If you click on one of
the articles, the article itself is fine.  It's just the listing
for it which is coming up wrong.

(see the example given in
  http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19507
)


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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-29 Thread Kris Kennaway

On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Archie Cobbs wrote:

> Luckily I happened to have seen -current in the past couple of days.
> Trying to search -current on the web site for the appropriate keywords
> yeilded only articles from the years 1997 through 1999, nothing in
> 2000, and there is no way to sort by date anyway.

docs.freebsd.org and browse the archives directly.

Kris

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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-29 Thread Doug Barton

On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Andrey A. Chernov wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:57:59AM -0700, Archie Cobbs wrote:
> > Andrey A. Chernov writes:
> > > Without "device ether" in config file kernel fails to compile and
> > > complains on undefined function ether_ifdetach() in if.c:if_detach()
> > > 
> > > Please fix.
> > 
> > I'm working on it.
> > 
> > Of course, in order to check in the fix, I first need to build a
> > new kernel and test it. But once running the new kernel, I can't
> > check in the fix thanks to the broken ssh. So now I'm now building
> > another kernel with RANDOMDEV, even though that this is the solution
> > was not at all obvious from reading UPDATING.
> 
> You can also use randomdev_load="YES" in your /boot/loader.conf
> 
> BTW, I can't boot new kernel at all - kernel and modules loaded OK, but
> kernel immediately hangs at boot stage. Just to warn you.

Are you using any optimizations other than "-O -pipe"? There's a
problem since Peter's recent changes that cause it to bomb out with
anything more exotic. 

Doug
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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-29 Thread Andrey A. Chernov

On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:57:59AM -0700, Archie Cobbs wrote:
> Andrey A. Chernov writes:
> > Without "device ether" in config file kernel fails to compile and
> > complains on undefined function ether_ifdetach() in if.c:if_detach()
> > 
> > Please fix.
> 
> I'm working on it.
> 
> Of course, in order to check in the fix, I first need to build a
> new kernel and test it. But once running the new kernel, I can't
> check in the fix thanks to the broken ssh. So now I'm now building
> another kernel with RANDOMDEV, even though that this is the solution
> was not at all obvious from reading UPDATING.

You can also use randomdev_load="YES" in your /boot/loader.conf

BTW, I can't boot new kernel at all - kernel and modules loaded OK, but
kernel immediately hangs at boot stage. Just to warn you.

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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-29 Thread Archie Cobbs

Andrey A. Chernov writes:
> Without "device ether" in config file kernel fails to compile and
> complains on undefined function ether_ifdetach() in if.c:if_detach()
> 
> Please fix.

I'm working on it.

Of course, in order to check in the fix, I first need to build a
new kernel and test it. But once running the new kernel, I can't
check in the fix thanks to the broken ssh. So now I'm now building
another kernel with RANDOMDEV, even though that this is the solution
was not at all obvious from reading UPDATING.

Luckily I happened to have seen -current in the past couple of days.
Trying to search -current on the web site for the appropriate keywords
yeilded only articles from the years 1997 through 1999, nothing in
2000, and there is no way to sort by date anyway.

I'm not trying to emit blame or anything, just pointing out that
anything that makes it harder for developers to build & test new
kernels and/or ssh changes and fixes into freefall can lead to
exponentially increasing problems and/or delays.

-Archie

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Re: bug: "device ether" no longer optional

2000-06-28 Thread Maxim Sobolev

"Andrey A. Chernov" wrote:

> Without "device ether" in config file kernel fails to compile and
> complains on undefined function ether_ifdetach() in if.c:if_detach()

Here too.

-Maxim



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