Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 10:11 AM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org writes: Dag-Erling, do you have a timeline for getting started on the ldns/unbound import? I imported the code into the vendor tree, but did not proceed any further

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 11:08 AM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Doug Barton wrote: Neither importing ldns nor removing BIND is going to have any effect on the stub resolver library in libc. Yes it does as if we are not carefull, we'll neither have a _proper_ validating caching resolver

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/06/2012 13:23, Vitaly Magerya wrote: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 07/07/2012 16:33, Garrett Wollman wrote: The utilities (specifically host(1) and dig(1)) are the only user-visible interfaces I care about. [...] ldns (a dependency of unbound) comes with drill, which is a dig

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
question from removing BIND. Not only do I not see any reason not to move forward on the former, I think that once people see a solid implementation in place already it will ease the fears about removing BIND. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/20/2012 02:16, Mark Blackman wrote: On 20 Aug 2012, at 10:12, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 08/20/2012 01:55, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: We will continue to reject this until there are more firm plans, proper documentation on the security support side, which I cannot remember

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/20/2012 02:19, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Doug Barton wrote: On 08/20/2012 01:55, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: We will continue to reject this until there are more firm plans, proper documentation on the security support side, which I cannot remember Simon got an answer

Re: How to diagnose system freezes?

2012-08-06 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/31/2012 17:02, Yuri wrote: One of my 9.1-BETA1 systems periodically freezes. If sound was playing, it would usually cycle with a very short period. And system stops being sensitive to keyboard/mouse. Also ping of this system doesn't get a response. Just for fun, have you tried switching

Re: dtraceall.ko with old nfsclient

2012-08-06 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/31/2012 09:48, Fabian Keil wrote: I think guessing that INET and INET6 are available is a lot more reasonable than doing the same for the external NFS modules. FYI, there has been considerable work done to ensure that INET6 works without

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 12:18, David Chisnall wrote: Thank you for your thoughtful reply, You too ... I let some time go by to see what others had to say. I think it's disappointing that more people aren't concerned about this issue. On 2 Aug 2012, at 19:33, Doug Barton wrote: However, my point

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 09:20, Scott Long wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Doug makes some good points. No, he doesn't. Yes I do! (So there) He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory where none of that is warranted. I used to run

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 05:54, David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote participation for even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. I don't bother asking anymore because year after year my requests were met

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
thing aside. At various points when I was asking for remote participation at BSDCAN different people offered to provide this through their company's teleconferencing solutions, providing that the organizers could put a phone line in the room(s). They were told that it wasn't possible to do that. Doug

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:13, David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? If I missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you don't tell people about isn't really any better than not providing

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html Feel free to join in as a lurker. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:34, Doug Barton wrote: BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html Feel free to join in as a lurker. Sorry, this agenda makes it easier to see

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
core team member. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
benefit a lot of people, especially in comparison to the money set aside for travel grants which is now going begging. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
was that BSDCan is far cheaper). Yep, back in 2004 when traveling to conferences was part of my job, and before my daughter was born. My life now is quite different. ... not to mention that this thread isn't about me. It's about the importance of remote participation to the FreeBSD community as a whole. Doug

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
, and an attempt to focus the discussion on me. Neither is helpful. :) Acknowledging that this is a problem that needs to be solved does not imply that by not solving it you personally have failed in some way. I apologize if anything I've written so far has implied otherwise. Doug -- I am only one, but I

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Doug Barton
ever participated in is FreeBSD, what gets done around here feels normal to you. But don't be so quick to dismiss the viewpoints of people who have experience in the wider world. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I

Is there a reason that xhci isn't mentioned in NOTES in 8-stable?

2012-07-19 Thread Doug Barton
The xhci code in 8-stable works, but it's not mentioned in the NOTES files in sys/conf, sys/i386/conf, or sys/amd64/conf. The module is hooked up in sys/modules/usb/Makefile, and that's how I've been using it so far. Is it not possible to compile this code into the kernel? Doug -- Change

Re: Is there a reason that xhci isn't mentioned in NOTES in 8-stable?

2012-07-19 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/19/2012 02:17, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: On Thursday 19 July 2012 11:14:42 Doug Barton wrote: The xhci code in 8-stable works, but it's not mentioned in the NOTES files in sys/conf, sys/i386/conf, or sys/amd64/conf. The module is hooked up in sys/modules/usb/Makefile, and that's how

Re: Is there a reason that xhci isn't mentioned in NOTES in 8-stable?

2012-07-19 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/19/2012 03:29, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: On Thursday 19 July 2012 11:38:11 Doug Barton wrote: On 07/19/2012 02:17, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: On Thursday 19 July 2012 11:14:42 Doug Barton wrote: The xhci code in 8-stable works, but it's not mentioned in the NOTES files in sys/conf, sys

Re: Resistance to documentation? (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-17 Thread Doug Barton
) often helps clarify both the actual proposed design, and the current state of things. It's a shame that we don't have a culture that not only encourages this, but requires it. However, we don't; and aren't ever likely to. Doug ___ freebsd-hackers

Re: Resistance to documentation? (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/17/2012 03:38 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: On 07/17/12 15:14, Doug Barton wrote: Some sources of this are: I rarely read the handbook So now that we've discussed *our* shortcomings, let's discuss yours. :) Read the handbook. Seriously. I should have written that better. I *do* read

Re: FreeBSD 8.3

2012-07-15 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/15/2012 02:39, Mike Meyer wrote: On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:29:59 -0700 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: For the OP, make sure you have the latest BIOS. I had a similar problem with vt-x and it was solved by a later BIOS upgrade. And *that* solved the problem. The performance

Re: FreeBSD 8.3

2012-07-14 Thread Doug Barton
For the OP, make sure you have the latest BIOS. I had a similar problem with vt-x and it was solved by a later BIOS upgrade. hth, Doug -- Change is hard. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-10 Thread Doug Barton
that. I think you misunderstood my flippant comment below. On 2012-Jul-09 13:52:15 -0700, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 07/09/2012 13:47, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2012-Jul-09 14:15:13 +0200, in freebsd-security, Andrej (Andy) Brodnik and...@brodnik.org wrote: Excuse my ignorance

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-07-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/09/2012 14:47, Mark Blackman wrote: I never use '-t' with dig. drill *told* me I should use '-t' then completely failed to acknowledge I had done so. Have you reported this bug? -- Change is hard. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-07-10 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/09/2012 19:56, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2012-Jul-10 00:40:07 +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no wrote: They are sufficiently similar that writing a wrapper that supports a significant subset of dig's command-line option and uses drill

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/09/2012 16:45, George Mitchell wrote: On 07/09/12 17:01, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/09/2012 06:45, Mark Blackman wrote: Indeed, 'dig' and 'host' must be present and working as expected in a minimally installed system. So if you don't like the versions that get imported, install bind

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-10 Thread Doug Barton
that with other solutions, but this is one area where the fact that BIND can do both is a feature. Doug -- Change is hard. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound

2012-07-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 7/10/2012 4:27 AM, Mark Blackman wrote: On 10 Jul 2012, at 08:12, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/09/2012 14:47, Mark Blackman wrote: I never use '-t' with dig. drill *told* me I should use '-t' then completely failed to acknowledge I had done so. Have you reported this bug? Nope, you? I'm

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-09 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 23:16, Avleen Vig wrote: On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 07/08/2012 22:43, Avleen Vig wrote: It would be silly not to keep bind-tools in base. Sounds easy, but not so much in practice. Keeping any of the code doesn't solve the problem

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-09 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/09/2012 00:34, Avleen Vig wrote: On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 07/08/2012 23:16, Avleen Vig wrote: On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 07/08/2012 22:43, Avleen Vig wrote: It would be silly not to keep bind

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-09 Thread Doug Barton
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Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-09 Thread Doug Barton
- to lower the barrier to entry. Right. We should also change the base system to remove the most commonly used tools for doing DNS lookups, to what was the reason again? It's been covered at length in this thread. We get it, change is hard. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-09 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/09/2012 06:45, Mark Blackman wrote: Indeed, 'dig' and 'host' must be present and working as expected in a minimally installed system. So if you don't like the versions that get imported, install bind-tools from ports. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/07/2012 19:44, Warner Losh wrote: On Jul 7, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:17:53 -0700, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org said: BIND in the base today comes with a full-featured local resolver configuration, which I'm confident that Dag-Erling can do

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 01:03, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On 8. Jul 2012, at 02:44 , Warner Losh wrote: On Jul 7, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:17:53 -0700, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org said: BIND in the base today comes with a full-featured local resolver

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 01:07, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On 7. Jul 2012, at 23:45 , Doug Barton wrote: On 07/07/2012 16:34, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On 7. Jul 2012, at 23:17 , Doug Barton wrote: Other than authoritative DNS, what features does unbound lack that you want? DNS64 as a start. Personally

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
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Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/07/2012 17:47, Darren Pilgrim wrote: On 2012-07-07 16:45, Doug Barton wrote: Also re DNSSEC integration in the base, I've stated before that I believe very strongly that any kind of hard-coding of trust anchors as part of the base resolver setup is a bad idea, and should not be done. We

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/08/2012 10:10, Jason Hellenthal wrote: From first impression it seems that drill(1) has a syntax that leaves something to be desired like the eased use of host or dig. So once again, if you need the exact capabilities of ISC host and dig,

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 10:43, Garrett Wollman wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:31:17 -0700, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org said: Neither of which has any relevance to the actual root zone ZSK, which could require an emergency roll tomorrow. Surely that's why there's a separate KSK. The ZSK can

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 13:25, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: On 2012.07.08. 1:17, Doug Barton wrote: Other than authoritative DNS, what features does unbound lack that you want? [Picking up a random mail from the thread.] Other than the functionality, when we replace something, it is also important to do

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 07:41, Dan Lukes wrote: The ideal, long-term solution is to re-think what The Base is, and give users more flexibility at install time. Flexibility is double-edged sword. Feel free to replace one resolver with another resolver (but don't do it so often, please). Applications

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 22:43, Avleen Vig wrote: It would be silly not to keep bind-tools in base. Sounds easy, but not so much in practice. Keeping any of the code doesn't solve the problem of the release cycles not syncing up. And for the vast majority of users needs the tools we will import will be

Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-07 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/07/2012 14:16, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On 3. Jul 2012, at 12:39 , Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org writes: The correct solution to this problem is to remove BIND from the base altogether, but I have no energy for all the whinging that would happen if I tried

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-07 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/07/2012 16:33, Garrett Wollman wrote: On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:17:53 -0700, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org said: BIND in the base today comes with a full-featured local resolver configuration, which I'm confident that Dag-Erling can do for unbound (and which I would be glad to assist

Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-07 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/07/2012 16:34, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On 7. Jul 2012, at 23:17 , Doug Barton wrote: On 07/07/2012 14:16, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On 3. Jul 2012, at 12:39 , Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org writes: The correct solution to this problem is to remove BIND from

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-05 Thread Doug Barton
they wouldn't want to use it, but I haven't seen anything yet that says having this feature is a universally bad idea. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/04/2012 10:01, Freddie Cash wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Simon L. B. Nielsen si...@freebsd.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 07/03/2012 05:39, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org writes: The correct solution

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
this feature, which is pretty much universal in linux at this point. It's very handy. I look forward to reviewing your patches to implement it. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
about with/without $option you are talking about a ports install, which is perfectly fine. Other than that, if whoever actually pushes all the rocks uphill to make the installer more modular in this regard decides to include djbdns, more power to them. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/04/2012 15:01, Mike Meyer wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:19:38 -0700 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 07/04/2012 11:51, Jason Hellenthal wrote: What would be really nice here is a command wrapper hooked into the shell so that when you type a command and it does not exist

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/04/2012 15:55, Jason Hellenthal wrote: Seeing as sudo plays a big part of this No ... not only is sudo not a necessary component, it shouldn't be involved at all. The feature works on debian/ubuntu for regular userspace commands. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your

install-prompt for missing features (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/04/2012 15:57, Yuri wrote: On 07/04/2012 15:08, Doug Barton wrote: First, I agree that being able to turn it off should be possible. But I can't help being curious ... why would you *not* want a feature that tells you what to install if you type a command that doesn't exist

Re: install-prompt for missing features (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/04/2012 16:41, Jason Hellenthal wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 03:59:29PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/04/2012 15:55, Jason Hellenthal wrote: Seeing as sudo plays a big part of this No ... not only is sudo not a necessary component, it shouldn't be involved at all. The feature

Re: Better error messages for command not found (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/04/2012 17:30, Tim Kientzle wrote: On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 03:59:29PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/04/2012 15:55, Jason Hellenthal wrote: Seeing as sudo plays a big part of this No ... not only is sudo not a necessary component

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/04/2012 21:08, Brett Glass wrote: At 04:03 PM 7/4/2012, Doug Barton wrote: Other than that, if whoever actually pushes all the rocks uphill to make the installer more modular in this regard decides to include djbdns, more power to them. :) I'm not suggesting that everyone

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-03 Thread Doug Barton
BIND from the base altogether, but I have no energy for all the whinging that would happen if I tried (again) to do that. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-03 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/03/2012 05:39, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org writes: The correct solution to this problem is to remove BIND from the base altogether, but I have no energy for all the whinging that would happen if I tried (again) to do that. I don't think

Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-03 Thread Doug Barton
important over time as DNSSEC adoption increases, and more things begin to use it (like DANE). Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd

Re: Browsing over IPv6

2012-07-02 Thread Doug Barton
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Re: PORTS_MODULES in src.conf: make: don't know how to make instclean. Stop

2012-07-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/02/2012 09:25, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, David Wolfskill wrote: Huh??!? At least as far back as 06 Jan (based on the mtime of /etc/src.conf), I had set up src.conf to read: PORTS_MODULES=x11/nvidia-driver Don't do that. PORTS_MODULES is documented to belong in

Re: PORTS_MODULES in src.conf: make: don't know how to make instclean. Stop

2012-07-02 Thread Doug Barton
The problem is fixed now. This time I tested build and install with the same code. :( Sorry for the breakage, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman

Re: PORTS_MODULES in src.conf: make: don't know how to make instclean. Stop

2012-07-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/02/2012 13:41, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/02/2012 09:25, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, David Wolfskill wrote: Huh??!? At least as far back as 06 Jan (based on the mtime of /etc/src.conf), I had set up src.conf to read

Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times)

2012-06-21 Thread Doug Barton
things we need in addition to booting faster. To that end I like the direction that the thread is going in terms of discussing what a new system should have. I have some thoughts about that, but I'd like to let others talk for a while first. Doug ___ freebsd

Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times)

2012-06-20 Thread Doug Barton
. Doug On 06/20/2012 12:39 AM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 06:45:13PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote: That is already done in Gentoo FreeBSD, or do you want me to do the work for you to integrate OpenRC in the base system? We want you to do the work to prove that it is an improvement

Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times)

2012-06-19 Thread Doug Barton
solutions where there is a good reason to wait for a dependent service to actually be running. This also brings up a good point, any new rc-alike solution we consider must have support for scripts in ports that is at least as robust as what we have now. Doug -- This .signature sanitized

Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times)

2012-06-19 Thread Doug Barton
On 6/18/2012 4:05 PM, Richard Yao wrote: Doug, we already have OpenRC implemented. You can install Gentoo FreeBSD in a jail, install regular FreeBSD in another jail and do your own performance comparisons. Bt! Thanks for playing. :) You're the one proposing the change, YOU get to do

Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times)

2012-06-18 Thread Doug Barton
making the boot time faster. But, I'm willing to be proven wrong by someone who actually _implements_ one of these systems and can demonstrate, in a statistically rigorous fashion, how much the boot time is improved. Doug ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org

Re: mergemaster bug?

2012-06-15 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/15/2012 11:37, rank1see...@gmail.com wrote: *** The following files exist in /etc/rc.d but not in /var/tmp/temproot/etc/rc.d/: sshd man src.conf, and search for SSH. You have one of those options defined in your environment. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your

Re: boot menu option to disable graphics mode

2012-06-13 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/13/2012 06:50 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote: on 09/06/2012 19:17 Doug Barton said the following: If this were a problem we didn't already have a solution for, I'd be much more interested in what you're proposing. I wonder if you were in the same mindset when you worked on service(8

Re: boot menu option to disable graphics mode

2012-06-09 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/07/2012 11:10, Andriy Gapon wrote: on 07/06/2012 17:29 Doug Barton said the following: On 06/07/2012 02:57 AM, Gleb Kurtsou wrote: What do you think about adding generic support for overriding *_enable options in rc.conf? I'd like to be able to disable services at boot prompt, e.g

Re: boot menu option to disable graphics mode

2012-06-07 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/07/2012 02:57 AM, Gleb Kurtsou wrote: What do you think about adding generic support for overriding *_enable options in rc.conf? I'd like to be able to disable services at boot prompt, e.g. # set rc.slim_enable=no -- overrides slim_enable=yes in rc.conf Similarly rc.pf_enable=no

Re: boot menu option to disable graphics mode

2012-06-07 Thread Doug Barton
to always work. b) There were problems after the cons25 - xterm conversion that have almost all been fixed nowadays c) Try using a simpler shell, like /bin/sh, or even /rescue/sh d) Obviously don't try to do SUM with a shell that is not compiled static hth, Doug

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-05-05 Thread Doug Barton
As someone pointed out when this thread started, it's off-topic for hackers. Please take it to advocacy. -- It's always a long day; 86400 doesn't fit into a short. Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :)

Re: Forgotten debuging flags in 9.0 RELEASE

2012-04-25 Thread Doug Barton
will test a patch to change that to echo'ing something useful to stdout instead unless anyone has an objection. Don't expect the result soon though, super, super, super busy with work/life/etc. atm. And as John pointed out, it's been there for a while. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized

Re: GSoC: EFI on intel

2012-04-03 Thread Doug Ambrisko
to a directory. So then it is easy to build something, toss it into a directory, start qemu and test. Thanks, Doug A. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail

Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-04-03 Thread Doug Barton
both the OP and the community at large. Doug ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: GSoC: EFI on intel

2012-04-03 Thread Doug Ambrisko
Eric McCorkle writes: | On 04/03/12 13:22, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | EFI is a good task. For generic PC's we need an X64 format. The current | version in FreeBSD is IA32 format. The X64 can boot i386/amd64. | Qemu can be used to test both IA32 and X64 formats. I added some | notes about

Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-04-02 Thread Doug Barton
testing a newer version. 8.2 came out over a year ago, many many things have changed since then. Doug So you're saying that he should have been using 8.3-RELEASE, then. That isn't what I said at all, sorry if I wasn't clear. The OP mentioned 9.0-RELEASE, and in the context of his message

Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-04-02 Thread Doug Barton
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Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
changed since then. Doug ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
over a year ago, many many things have changed since then. Doug So you're saying that he should have been using 8.3-RELEASE, then. That isn't what I said at all, sorry if I wasn't clear. The OP mentioned 9.0-RELEASE, and in the context of his message (which I snipped) he mentioned 8-stable

Re: Strong host model in IPv6?

2012-03-09 Thread Doug Barton
-net@. Second, according to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1122 that RFC has been updated quite a bit over the last 23 years. Have you followed that chain upwards to make sure that your concerns are still valid? Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection

Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8)

2012-03-05 Thread Doug Barton
going into /usr/bin, not sbin. That's not the dividing line, please read hier(7). This should be introduced as a port in /usr/local/sbin to start with, and then we'll see how it goes from there. Doug ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http

Re: BUG: 9.0 stage 2 boot (/boot/boot)

2012-03-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/02/2012 08:52, John Baldwin wrote: On Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:23:11 pm Doug Barton wrote: On 3/1/2012 1:14 PM, John Baldwin wrote: My firefox on my BSD desktop was caching the image. Holding down Shift when clicking reload usually handles this. Only if you already know that FF

Re: [patch] Disable bios probe if acpi is enabled

2012-03-02 Thread Doug Ambrisko
| + */ | +if (!resource_disabled(acpi, 0)) | + return; | +/* | * BIOS32 Service Directory, PCI BIOS | */ | That seems reasonable to me. Doug A. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: BUG: 9.0 stage 2 boot (/boot/boot)

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/1/2012 1:14 PM, John Baldwin wrote: My firefox on my BSD desktop was caching the image. Holding down Shift when clicking reload usually handles this. hth, Doug -- It's always a long day; 86400 doesn't fit into a short. Breadth of IT experience, and depth

Re: PostgreSQL benchmarks (now with Linux numbers)

2012-02-23 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/23/2012 05:22, John Baldwin wrote: On Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:59:02 pm Doug Barton wrote: On 02/22/2012 01:42, Ivan Voras wrote: The Dragonfly team has recently liberated their VM from the giant lock and there are some interesting benchmarks comparing it to FreeBSD 9

Re: PostgreSQL benchmarks (now with Linux numbers)

2012-02-22 Thread Doug Barton
.html Other developments are described in their release notes: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/release30/ The 4.5 times improvement by enabling kern.ipc.shm_use_phys is pretty notable, what prevents us from enabling that by default? Doug -- It's always a long day; 86400 doesn't fit

Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change?

2012-02-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/21/2012 02:49, Tom Evans wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 02/20/2012 06:44, Tom Evans wrote: Whatever happened to POLA? This change surprised me, wasn't mentioned in /usr/src/UPDATING, You're supposed to compare your existing kernel config

Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change?

2012-02-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/20/2012 08:54, Alex Goncharov wrote: ,--- You/Tom (Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:44:09 +) * | On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: | Because loading modules through loader.conf is | veeryy slooww I added an rc.d script called

Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change?

2012-02-20 Thread Doug Barton
? This change surprised me, wasn't mentioned in /usr/src/UPDATING, You're supposed to compare your existing kernel config to the new GENERIC every time you do a major version upgrade. That would have made the change quite obvious. Doug -- It's always a long day; 86400 doesn't fit into a short

Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change?

2012-02-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/20/2012 07:23, Patrick Powell wrote: Oooh! Ahhh! Just what I was looking for. l will extract this from 9 and put it on my system. Glad you like it. :) One thing though, you're actually better off updating to the latest -stable of whatever branch you're using, some work has gone into

Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change?

2012-02-19 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/19/2012 08:13, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Given the context of the thread, this: loading modules through loader.conf is veeryy slooww ... seemed to be an objection to modularizing the kernel. The only way you could come to that conclusion is if you

Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change?

2012-02-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/18/2012 10:43, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: loading modules through loader.conf is veeryy slooww ... Is it noticeably slower to load (say) a 6MB kernel + 2MB of modules than to load an 8MB kernel? I don't know

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