On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 03:10:24PM -0400, Eric Jacobs wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:15:06 +0200
Nakal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
recently, I found vidcontrol and played a bit with it. I have been
looking for documents about how to output pixels (graphics) on the
terminal.
See
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 10:34:31PM +0200, Nakal wrote:
On Monday 16 June 2003 21:10, Eric Jacobs wrote:
See /usr/share/examples/libvgl
Yupp. That looks good. Thank you!
Have you heard about KGI?
http://www.freebsd.org/~nsouch/ggiport.html
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On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 10:37:58AM -0700, Tim Kientzle wrote:
Yes, meanwhile, the server providing B times out your connection,
the whole install gets rolled back, and you have to start again
from scratch. Not pretty.
Quite. Unless you ship all dependancies as part of the package in the same
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 12:11:26PM -0700, Tim Kientzle wrote:
That would seem to be the hard part. I presume you've
looked at SUSE's YAST, Debian's APT, and other such tools?
*nods* - nice basis, but not... well... you know.
What I have now works as follows:
* Start reading the package,
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 02:26:13PM -0400, The Anarcat wrote:
It's right now to the point I wouldn't consider writing more code for
libh, but I'd reuse the ideas in a smaller, plugin-based, swig-foobar
rewrite.
I went back and re-read the notes on the website about libh's design
yesterday,
Paul Robinson wrote:
... if I want to install package A which requires B and C, B
requires D and E, and D requires F, your installer would go Start A - I
need B - Start B - I need D - Start D - I need F - Install F - Install
D - I need E - Install E - Install B - Install C
In the chain above,
Jordan K Hubbard wrote:
This one's a bit like government. Everyone has an opinion about how it
should work or what it could be doing better, but very few people want
to actually get involved in changing it. :-)
It's not so much that, as that there are so many politicians
waiting in the wings
I did try to get core to bless the libh effort and, in so doing, get
more people to jump in and help Alex and Max, but it seems this
particular bill's more like health care - nobody wants to touch it or
sponsor it through the senate lest their names be linked with any
failure. :-)
- Jordan
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:40:13AM -0400, The Anarcat wrote:
- Whether the installer is graphical or not is not the issue. Grey boxes on
a blue background with yellow, red and black text is just plain ugly to a
society that understands art and interior design. I know you're limited on
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 06:23:42PM +0300, Samy Al Bahra wrote:
A plugin-based architecture will allow us to choose between various UIs
(ncurses, QT, etc...).
Yup. Trick is to make the plugins as user-definable as possible. The trick
here (and i've said this elsewhere, probably uk-users) is
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 12:12:15PM -0700, Jordan K Hubbard wrote:
I was wondering when Jordan was going to come and beat me up... :-)
Hmmm. That is an interesting statement given that libh has not made
any attempt so far to pretty up sysinstall or has really provided
anything in the way of
* Paul Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-06-19 14:34:36 BST]:
I think getting a focused group together who want to get FBSD onto the
desktop would be a good idea. At the moment, there is lots of talk about
installers, package management, etc. including this thread, clogging up
either
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 03:50:07PM +0100, Peter McGarvey wrote:
I'm with you on this.
You'll regret it... :-)
Although [EMAIL PROTECTED] implies FreeBSD is
currently unfriendly, which IMHO is decidedly not the case. So as we're
talking about making it easier to run FreeBSD on the desktop,
* Paul Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-06-19 16:01:12 BST]:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 03:50:07PM +0100, Peter McGarvey wrote:
I'm with you on this.
You'll regret it... :-)
I'd likely regret not jumping on board more ;-)
Although [EMAIL PROTECTED] implies FreeBSD is
currently
Paul Robinson wrote:
As to what I'm writing, well, I'm going to do the design in about four weeks
time, and anybody who is interested can take a look. An announcement will
probably go up on -hackers and -libh...
I want something that works. To be honest, just something that abstracts
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 09:42:20AM -0700, Tim Kientzle wrote:
When you get ready to do some work, let me know. I've
Will do. Just need to move, get DSL installed, and clear down some work and
I'm looking at a year of clear weekends and evenings. And this is biting me
up inside now... :-)
You've got me going. You've just touched on my favourite subject. Apologies
for those of you who prefer short e-mails.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 03:18:52PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:
Some of this could be done in the current installer, if there wasn't
an effort to make it still fit on a floppy.
If we adopt a dl-based framework for the installer, we can shrink it
down pretty much to whatever size we want (and memory usage can be less.
YaST, one of the most feature-packed installers out there (SuSE) takes
up less RAM than sysinstall!). This also gives us the ability to have
plugins across
(or Yet Another Package Installer Bikeshed)
[libh CC'd, for the archives]
On mer jun 18, 2003 at 06:23:42 +0300, Samy Al Bahra wrote:
- Whether the installer is graphical or not is not the issue. Grey boxes on
a blue background with yellow, red and black text is just plain ugly to a
and amen to anarcat's words :)
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On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 03:01 AM, Paul Robinson wrote:
I hate sysinstall. I had some spare time and was
going to start on something when Jordan piped up with libh. I'm not
sure if
libh was the right way to go anyway - it just prettied up sysinstall
and
made it more confusing to a novice
The principal problem with libh is too many chiefs and not enough
indians. Poor Alex and Max have done a HUGE amount of work on the
system but it's large enough in scope that 2 people cannot hope to do
it all by themselves, particularly when there's no relief shift to take
things over when
Sorry to hear you say that. It was probably the only effort (which
attempted to solve the larger set of issues and not simply peck away at
the problem piecemeal) to ever have any code associated with it.
On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 08:40 AM, The Anarcat wrote:
libh's dead, folks. It's
The principal problem with libh is too many chiefs and not enough
indians. Poor Alex and Max have done a HUGE amount of work on the
system but it's large enough in scope that 2 people cannot hope to do it
all by themselves, particularly when there's no relief shift to take
things over when
Nevermind, I found it:
http://rtp1.slowblink.com/~libh/
Thanks.
Ken
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I am still doing work on it... but my normal job has been
getting in the way for a while.
Max
Jordan K Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry to hear you say that. It was probably the only effort (which
attempted to solve the larger set of
Max Okumoto wrote:
I am still doing work on it... but my normal job has been
getting in the way for a while.
Max
I'm sorry Max. I guess I should have used a bit more diplomacy. But the
way I see it, libh was dead even before you got in, the same
Hi,
recently, I found vidcontrol and played a bit with it. I have been
looking for documents about how to output pixels (graphics) on the
terminal. I could not find any. Before I give up, I want to ask here,
if it is possible to do that. What I want to do is to port my
applications from
Nakal wrote this message on Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 20:15 +0200:
recently, I found vidcontrol and played a bit with it. I have been
looking for documents about how to output pixels (graphics) on the
terminal. I could not find any. Before I give up, I want to ask here,
if it is possible to do
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:15:06 +0200
Nakal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
recently, I found vidcontrol and played a bit with it. I have been
looking for documents about how to output pixels (graphics) on the
terminal.
See /usr/share/examples/libvgl
I could not find any. Before I give up, I
In a message written on Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 03:10:24PM -0400, Eric Jacobs wrote:
I don't think the advantage of a GUI-based installer would be
eye-candy. libdialog looks fine IMO. It would be to increase the
ease of use, allow more flexibility in installations, and add more
On Monday 16 June 2003 21:10, Eric Jacobs wrote:
See /usr/share/examples/libvgl
Yupp. That looks good. Thank you!
I've been thinking about that too. The big question I have is whether
it's a good idea to use a toolkit with a more restrictive license
(GPL, LGPL, MPL), which would make it a
* Matthew D. Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Date: 2003-06-16 ]
[ w.r.t. Re: floppy.. Was: Drawing graphics on terminal ]
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 03:43:59PM -0400 I heard the voice of
Leo Bicknell, and lo! it spake thus:
Another idea is to make a floppy just smart enough to load
On 16 Jun, Juli Mallett wrote:
Not to turn this into too much of a bikeshed, but here's an idea I
jotted down a while ago:
%%%
There has been a lot of talk about deprecation of floppies in upcoming
releases, and I've been thinking a lot about whether or not we need to
do this, and I've
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:38:06 -0500
Juli Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Network install.
The floppy could include only network (and requisite) drivers,
such that mass storage drivers could be pulled over the net at
an early stage in the install. Ideally we would work
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote:
Some of this could be done in the current installer, if there wasn't
an effort to make it still fit on a floppy. Mind you, I'd like to see
the floppy based install stick around for a while, but I think FreeBSD
needs to embrace the CD reality.
We
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 03:10:24PM -0400, Eric Jacobs wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:15:06 +0200
Nakal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Hi,
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recently, I
if you wanna try something nice mmap() /dev/mem and write to VGA memory =D
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