Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-22 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Chris wrote: I am glad to hear from Soren that this 'misconfiguration' will be supported in 4.0 As always when a misconfiguration (read 'not to spec') is used enough then it quickly becomes somewhat of a de facto standard. Old message, but still in need for reply. Yeah, like isa shared

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, I didn't see any pointers other than pilot error raised in the recent thread with subject line: Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Perhaps those of you who're in support of the pilot error notion could have a look at PR 13174 and comment? The originator claims that his

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-16 Thread Lofthouse Andrew 2Lt WRALC/TIECT
I didn't see any pointers other than pilot error raised in the recent thread with subject line: Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Perhaps those of you who're in support of the pilot error notion could have a look at PR 13174 and comment

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-16 Thread Lofthouse Andrew 2Lt WRALC/TIECT
I didn't see any pointers other than pilot error raised in the recent thread with subject line: Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Perhaps those of you who're in support of the pilot error notion could have a look at PR 13174 and comment

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, I didn't see any pointers other than pilot error raised in the recent thread with subject line: Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Perhaps those of you who're in support of the pilot error notion could have a look at PR 13174 and comment? The originator claims that his

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-16 Thread Lofthouse Andrew 2Lt WRALC/TIECT
I didn't see any pointers other than pilot error raised in the recent thread with subject line: Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Perhaps those of you who're in support of the pilot error notion could have a look at PR 13174 and comment

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-16 Thread Lofthouse Andrew 2Lt WRALC/TIECT
I didn't see any pointers other than pilot error raised in the recent thread with subject line: Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Perhaps those of you who're in support of the pilot error notion could have a look at PR 13174 and comment

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-08 Thread Biju Susmer
Odd, all of the machines that I've seen shipped lately have their CDROMs on a secondary IDE controller as SLAVE with no master. Works great, and the FreeBSD drivers work well when hacked to not require a master fo there to be a slave i commented out one line in wd.c, wdprobe() and it

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-08 Thread Biju Susmer
Odd, all of the machines that I've seen shipped lately have their CDROMs on a secondary IDE controller as SLAVE with no master. Works great, and the FreeBSD drivers work well when hacked to not require a master fo there to be a slave i commented out one line in wd.c, wdprobe() and it

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-07 Thread Shaun Jurrens
On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 11:15:25PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: # In message 37ab8b48.4a791...@tig.com.au Chris writes: # : As always when a misconfiguration (read 'not to spec') is used enough # : then it quickly becomes somewhat of a de facto standard. # # I'd love to see chapter and verse on this

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Biju Susmer wrote: OK, i went to net and got this page (http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb.mit.edu/project/linux/docs/faq/AT API-FAQ) there also they say it should be MASTER. Problem is not with me. The vendor didn't follow the specs. PC never followd specs i think ;) Some one

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Chris
Wes Peters wrote: Biju Susmer wrote: Regardless, you have to have 1 master and 0 or 1 slaves one every IDE controller. You can't run a controller with just a slave. I dont think it should be a problem.. Since other OSs can work with this configuration without any problem, why

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Warner Losh
In message 001201bedfb8$92fa3440$[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Biju Susmer" writes: : I dont think it should be a problem.. Since other OSs can work with this : configuration without any problem, why FBSD should refuse this configuration? : When i was using 2.2.7-stable, FBSD used to recognize my CDROM

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : Since it was made to work? The problem here is that this person, for some : reason, is misconfiguring their system and expecting it to work as if it : were configured properly. Odd, all of the machines that I've seen shipped lately have

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris writes: : As always when a misconfiguration (read 'not to spec') is used enough : then it quickly becomes somewhat of a de facto standard. I'd love to see chapter and verse on this :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 06-Aug-99 Wes Peters wrote: Because it's wrong. If you don't believe me, buy a copy of the spec. Why should we waste valuable developer time trying to support mis-configured hardware? Since when has PC hardware followed the specs?

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Biju Susmer
Because it's wrong. If you don't believe me, buy a copy of the spec. Why should we waste valuable developer time trying to support mis-configured hardware? The box was shipped to me this way.. i'm no a hardware expert to know the IDE specs. As far as i know, it work for Windows

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 06-Aug-99 Brian F. Feldman wrote: Since when has PC hardware followed the specs? Since it was made to work? The problem here is that this person, for some reason, is misconfiguring their system and expecting it to work as if it were configured properly. Sure but a lot of PC's are

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Biju Susmer
OK, i went to net and got this page (http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb.mit.edu/project/linux/docs/faq/AT API-FAQ) there also they say it should be MASTER. Problem is not with me. The vendor didn't follow the specs. PC never followd specs i think ;) Some one please put this in an FAQ (if it is

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Biju Susmer wrote: OK, i went to net and got this page (http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb.mit.edu/project/linux/docs/faq/AT API-FAQ) there also they say it should be MASTER. Problem is not with me. The vendor didn't follow the specs. PC never followd specs i think ;) Some one

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Chris
Wes Peters wrote: Biju Susmer wrote: Regardless, you have to have 1 master and 0 or 1 slaves one every IDE controller. You can't run a controller with just a slave. I dont think it should be a problem.. Since other OSs can work with this configuration without any problem, why

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Warner Losh
In message 001201bedfb8$92fa3440$88291...@wipro.tcpn.com Biju Susmer writes: : I dont think it should be a problem.. Since other OSs can work with this : configuration without any problem, why FBSD should refuse this configuration? : When i was using 2.2.7-stable, FBSD used to recognize my CDROM

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Warner Losh
In message pine.bsf.4.10.9908060200140.89797-100...@janus.syracuse.net Brian F. Feldman writes: : Since it was made to work? The problem here is that this person, for some : reason, is misconfiguring their system and expecting it to work as if it : were configured properly. Odd, all of the

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-06 Thread Warner Losh
In message 37ab8b48.4a791...@tig.com.au Chris writes: : As always when a misconfiguration (read 'not to spec') is used enough : then it quickly becomes somewhat of a de facto standard. I'd love to see chapter and verse on this :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Chris
When moving the CDROM to master though can cause problems. I had a Chaintech 5TDM board which refused to acknowledge a CDROM as secondary master. I thought it was a bug in FBSD since RH Linux could detect my CDROM as a secondary slave (only device on the controller). I never got a straight

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Wes Peters
Biju Susmer wrote: Regardless, you have to have 1 master and 0 or 1 slaves one every IDE controller. You can't run a controller with just a slave. I dont think it should be a problem.. Since other OSs can work with this configuration without any problem, why FBSD should refuse this

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 06-Aug-99 Wes Peters wrote: Because it's wrong. If you don't believe me, buy a copy of the spec. Why should we waste valuable developer time trying to support mis-configured hardware? Since when has PC hardware followed the specs? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 06-Aug-99 Wes Peters wrote: Because it's wrong. If you don't believe me, buy a copy of the spec. Why should we waste valuable developer time trying to support mis-configured hardware? Since when has PC hardware followed the specs?

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Biju Susmer
Because it's wrong. If you don't believe me, buy a copy of the spec. Why should we waste valuable developer time trying to support mis-configured hardware? The box was shipped to me this way.. i'm no a hardware expert to know the IDE specs. As far as i know, it work for Windows

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Biju Susmer
OK, i went to net and got this page (http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb.mit.edu/project/linux/docs/faq/AT API-FAQ) there also they say it should be MASTER. Problem is not with me. The vendor didn't follow the specs. PC never followd specs i think ;) Some one please put this in an FAQ (if it is

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Chris
When moving the CDROM to master though can cause problems. I had a Chaintech 5TDM board which refused to acknowledge a CDROM as secondary master. I thought it was a bug in FBSD since RH Linux could detect my CDROM as a secondary slave (only device on the controller). I never got a straight

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Wes Peters
Chris wrote: When moving the CDROM to master though can cause problems. I had a Chaintech 5TDM board which refused to acknowledge a CDROM as secondary master. I thought it was a bug in FBSD since RH Linux could detect my CDROM as a secondary slave (only device on the controller). I never

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Biju Susmer
Regardless, you have to have 1 master and 0 or 1 slaves one every IDE controller. You can't run a controller with just a slave. I dont think it should be a problem.. Since other OSs can work with this configuration without any problem, why FBSD should refuse this configuration? When i was

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Wes Peters
Biju Susmer wrote: Regardless, you have to have 1 master and 0 or 1 slaves one every IDE controller. You can't run a controller with just a slave. I dont think it should be a problem.. Since other OSs can work with this configuration without any problem, why FBSD should refuse this

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-05 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 06-Aug-99 Wes Peters wrote: Because it's wrong. If you don't believe me, buy a copy of the spec. Why should we waste valuable developer time trying to support mis-configured hardware? Since when has PC hardware followed the specs? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-04 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Biju Susmer wrote: hi, I tried yesterday to make the kernel understand my CD ROM drive.. but it refused. Here is the dmesg (of boot -v)... is my config wrong or i missed something? The drive is Acer 32X and connected as secondary slave. It is seen by Win98 and BIOS.

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-04 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Biju Susmer wrote: hi, I tried yesterday to make the kernel understand my CD ROM drive.. but it refused. Here is the dmesg (of boot -v)... is my config wrong or i missed something? The drive is Acer 32X and connected as secondary slave. It is seen by Win98 and BIOS.

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Biju Susmer
Yes, i'm also facing the same problem in 3.2 stable (wdc1 not found at 0x170). When i put a CD-ROM (ATAPI, secondary slave) sometimes the controller comes up ;) I tried my own kernel (by changing the IDE delay), it didn't work. -biju -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Cillian Sharkey
Yes, i'm also facing the same problem in 3.2 stable (wdc1 not found at 0x170). When i put a CD-ROM (ATAPI, secondary slave) sometimes the controller comes up ;) I tried my own kernel (by changing the IDE delay), it didn't work. -biju Normally for my own kernel, I set the IDE delay very low

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Biju Susmer
03, 1999 4:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Yes, i'm also facing the same problem in 3.2 stable (wdc1 not found at 0x170). When i put a CD-ROM (ATAPI, secondary slave) sometimes the controller comes up ;) I tried my own kernel

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Cillian Sharkey
I tried with delay 12000, 6000, 8000 (I admit that i really don't know how this delay helps) but no use... only putting a CD in the drive while booting helps. -biju I just set IDE_DELAY=4000 in my 3.2-STABLE kernel, and now it sees all disks on both controllers. I think the problem was that

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Biju Susmer
hi, I tried yesterday to make the kernel understand my CD ROM drive.. but it refused. Here is the dmesg (of boot -v)... is my config wrong or i missed something? The drive is Acer 32X and connected as secondary slave. It is seen by Win98 and BIOS. Can someone help? And what does "ide_pci:

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Biju Susmer
Yes, i'm also facing the same problem in 3.2 stable (wdc1 not found at 0x170). When i put a CD-ROM (ATAPI, secondary slave) sometimes the controller comes up ;) I tried my own kernel (by changing the IDE delay), it didn't work. -biju -Original Message- From:

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Cillian Sharkey
Yes, i'm also facing the same problem in 3.2 stable (wdc1 not found at 0x170). When i put a CD-ROM (ATAPI, secondary slave) sometimes the controller comes up ;) I tried my own kernel (by changing the IDE delay), it didn't work. -biju Normally for my own kernel, I set the IDE delay very low

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Biju Susmer
Sharkey Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 4:28 PM To: b...@wipinfo.soft.net Cc: hack...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Yes, i'm also facing the same problem in 3.2 stable (wdc1 not found at 0x170). When i put a CD-ROM (ATAPI, secondary slave) sometimes the controller

Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Cillian Sharkey
I tried with delay 12000, 6000, 8000 (I admit that i really don't know how this delay helps) but no use... only putting a CD in the drive while booting helps. -biju I just set IDE_DELAY=4000 in my 3.2-STABLE kernel, and now it sees all disks on both controllers. I think the problem was that

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Biju Susmer
I tried with delay 12000, 6000, 8000 (I admit that i really don't know how this delay helps) but no use... only putting a CD in the drive while booting helps. -biju I just set IDE_DELAY=4000 in my 3.2-STABLE kernel, and now it sees all disks on both controllers. I think the problem

RE: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ?

1999-08-03 Thread Biju Susmer
hi, I tried yesterday to make the kernel understand my CD ROM drive.. but it refused. Here is the dmesg (of boot -v)... is my config wrong or i missed something? The drive is Acer 32X and connected as secondary slave. It is seen by Win98 and BIOS. Can someone help? And what does ide_pci: