On 6/15/12 4:25 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Hi,
9 will mature as people use it and report bugs/regressions. It would
be really great if you could try some of your workload on -9 and
provide feedback and file PRs.
Engaging with the community (and hiring developers :) is by far the
best way
10.x will likely be more stable if 9.x gets stressed, and the bugs
from there get fixed in -HEAD.
I know this goes against what users expect, but as a software
developer, QA is only as good as your testing and validation
procedures. :)
Adrian
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On 2012-Jun-14 08:09:30 +0100, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com wrote:
Except STABLE is no good for production, and the problem is EoL- updates
and support stop.
There's nothing stopping you from from running -stable in production.
Obviously, you will need to do more extensive testing than you might
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
10.x will likely be more stable if 9.x gets stressed, and the bugs
from there get fixed in -HEAD.
I know this goes against what users expect, but as a software
developer, QA is only as good as your testing and validation
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:16:30AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
I'm thinking we might jump straight from 8.x to 10 when the time comes,
I'm really looking forward to Gleb's work on CARP and PF ;)
I don't know why you might think one .0 release would be more mature
than another .0 release.
On Jun 15, 2012 9:39 AM, Peter Jeremy pe...@rulingia.com wrote:
On 2012-Jun-14 08:09:30 +0100, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com wrote:
Except STABLE is no good for production, and the problem is EoL- updates
and support stop.
There's nothing stopping you from from running -stable in production.
On 6/15/12 10:52 AM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:16:30AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
I'm thinking we might jump straight from 8.x to 10 when the time comes,
I'm really looking forward to Gleb's work on CARP and PF ;)
I don't know why you might think one .0 release would
So what , this fell on deaf ears or was it a horridly bad idea ?
Anyone care to share ?
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Mark Saad nones...@longcount.org wrote:
All
I have an partial solution to this issue I was thinking about this on
my morning train ride, so its a bit bumpy.
Here are my
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi,
9 will mature as people use it and report bugs/regressions. It would
be really great if you could try some of your workload on -9 and
provide feedback and file PRs.
Engaging with the community (and hiring
The suggestions are all good, but they require volunteers to volunteer
more of their time (for free, hence volunteering) to maintain longer
branches; it requires more resources from volunteer mirrors (for free,
hence volunteer) to store even more ports and CD-ROM ISO snapshots.
What we as a
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Royce Williams
royce.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
The only way
Resending to list, forgot to hit reply-all.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Garrett Cooper yaneg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Royce Williams
royce.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 13 June 2012
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:06:15PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Royce Williams
royce.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com wrote:
On Wed,
On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
wrote:
Friends,
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed
- can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly.
just sometime somebody
On 6/14/12 9:09 AM, Chris Rees wrote:
On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
wrote:
Friends,
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed
- can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 06:50:34AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly.
just sometime somebody decide to change number :)
The difference is the freeze-and-test work that goes between random
date and release time. This requires a
On Jun 14, 2012 9:30 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote:
On 6/14/12 9:09 AM, Chris Rees wrote:
On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
wrote:
Friends,
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1
listed
- can anyone confirm or
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:49:18 -0500, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote:
I for one, as a fbsd admin on corporate servers ( read not commiter),
would dearly like less releases but a more aggressive MFC approach.
Less releases such as less frequent MAJOR releases (7.0, 8.0, 9.0...) or
less
On Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:30:19 am Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
The only way that this would really work is if there were dedicated
sustaining engineers working on
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 08:20:02AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
On Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:30:19 am Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
The only way that this would really work
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:29:22AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
Whoever said STABLE is no good for production ?
I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes
are just too important to skip (we're running firewalls and had a
problem with a CARP bug).
In theory we
does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly.
just sometime somebody decide to change number :)
Except STABLE is no good for production, and the problem is EoL- updates and
support stop.
using RELENG_8 everywhere except my private laptop with 9.
I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes
are just too important to skip (we're running firewalls and had a
problem with a CARP bug).
I've moved us to 8.3-STABLE recently and am quite happy with it, so far.
as most people do who needs FreeBSD to perform crucial
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:06:15 -0700 Garrett Cooper yaneg...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Royce Williams
royce.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org
wrote:
On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:32:08 -0800 Royce Williams
royce.willi...@gmail.com wrote:
Even one item from my wish list would lower the branches so that more
people could reach the fruit. :-)
Well... maybe this year for the crashdump auto-submit part. For the
rest I suggest to provide some text
All
I have an partial solution to this issue I was thinking about this on
my morning train ride, so its a bit bumpy.
Here are my solutions they are not complete but I think its a good start.
1. When official errata and security updates hit the tree . Providing
updated install media could be
On 14 Jun 2012, at 15:13, Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:49:18 -0500, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote:
I for one, as a fbsd admin on corporate servers ( read not commiter), would
dearly like less releases but a more aggressive MFC approach.
Less releases such
On 14 Jun 2012, at 16:41, Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:29:22AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
Whoever said STABLE is no good for production ?
I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes
are just too important to skip (we're
Hi,
9 will mature as people use it and report bugs/regressions. It would
be really great if you could try some of your workload on -9 and
provide feedback and file PRs.
Engaging with the community (and hiring developers :) is by far the
best way to get things to mature quickly.
2c,
Adrian
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:01:00 pm Adrian Chadd wrote:
hi,
You don't need to change the FreeBSD culture. We'd love to do an 8.4
release. And an 8.5 release, and 8.6 release, etc. The problem is one
of resources and time, not of culture/desire.
I disagree. The pace of X.0 releases is a
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:53 AM, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:01:00 pm Adrian Chadd wrote:
hi,
You don't need to change the FreeBSD culture. We'd love to do an 8.4
release. And an 8.5 release, and 8.6 release, etc. The problem is one
of resources and time,
On 13 June 2012 05:53, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
You don't need to change the FreeBSD culture. We'd love to do an 8.4
release. And an 8.5 release, and 8.6 release, etc. The problem is one
of resources and time, not of culture/desire.
I disagree. The pace of X.0 releases is a
On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52:28 am Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 13 June 2012 05:53, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
You don't need to change the FreeBSD culture. We'd love to do an 8.4
release. And an 8.5 release, and 8.6 release, etc. The problem is one
of resources and time, not of
Hey, I'm a Desktop User and I wish FreeBSD v8.3 worked for me. I can't get a
Dialup Internet Connection without setting up a complicated script. And my
Porn Videos crash halfway through.
Yours frustratedly: Frank Mitchell
On Wednesday 13 June 2012 00:08:08 Jerry McAllister wrote:
Well, 8.3
I'll share my 2 cents here, as someone who maintains a decent sided
FreeBSD install.
1. FreeBSD needs to make end users more comfortable with using a
Dot-Ohh release; and at the time of the dot-ohh release
a timeline for the next point releases should be made. *
2. Having three supported
On 13 Jun 2012, at 19:27, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:52:28 am Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 13 June 2012 05:53, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
You don't need to change the FreeBSD culture. We'd love to do an 8.4
release. And an 8.5 release, and 8.6
Mark Saad wrote:
I'll share my 2 cents here, as someone who maintains a decent sided
FreeBSD install.
1. FreeBSD needs to make end users more comfortable with using a
Dot-Ohh release; and at the time of the dot-ohh release
a timeline for the next point releases should be made. *
2.
Realized my earlier related post was a bit misplaced in questions@.
So I just refer to it here by link, ok then that is all.
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=968504+0+current/freebsd-questions
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
The only way that this would really work is if there were dedicated
sustaining engineers working on actively backporting code, testing it,
committing it, etc.
I'm going to agree with Garrett here. IMHO we've reached (or
On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
The only way that this would really work is if there were dedicated
sustaining engineers working on actively backporting code, testing it,
committing it, etc.
I'm
Friends,
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed -
can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly.
just sometime somebody decide to change number :)
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
The only way that this would really work is if there were dedicated
sustaining engineers
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 08:16:45PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 03:38:56PM -0700, John Kozubik wrote:
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1
listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
Although I am not on re@, AFAIK the only schedule that
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Jason Hellenthal wrote:
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1
listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
Although I am not on re@, AFAIK the only schedule that is on the table
is the one for 9.1.
Release 8.3 (April 2012) has it really been 6
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, John Kozubik j...@kozubik.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Jason Hellenthal wrote:
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1
listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
Although I am not on re@, AFAIK the only schedule that is on the
Hi Matt,
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Matt Olander wrote:
So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long
Term Supported version of PC-BSD Server, which is really FreeBSD
with some PC-BSD cli tools and perhaps maintaining our own binary
update server. While we were thinking of
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Kozubik j...@kozubik.com wrote:
Hi Matt,
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Matt Olander wrote:
So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long
Term Supported version of PC-BSD Server, which is really FreeBSD
with some PC-BSD cli tools and
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Kozubik j...@kozubik.com wrote:
Hi Matt,
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Matt Olander wrote:
So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long
Term Supported version of
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:40:48AM -0700, John Kozubik wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Jason Hellenthal wrote:
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1
listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
Although I am not on re@, AFAIK the only schedule that is on the table
hi,
You don't need to change the FreeBSD culture. We'd love to do an 8.4
release. And an 8.5 release, and 8.6 release, etc. The problem is one
of resources and time, not of culture/desire.
It takes a lot of (volunteer) effort and a lot of (donated) resources
to do what we do with releases and
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 07:08:08PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote:
You sound like the people who can't decide to get something because a
new version is going to come out sometime before they die.
That may be how it seems to end-users, but as we have heard multiple
times from people who use
Friends,
I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed -
can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
Thanks.
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I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1
listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ?
Although I am not on re@, AFAIK the only schedule that is on the table
is the one for 9.1.
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