Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-08 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Michel Talon wrote: So how to interact with local.sqlite? Thanks Michel, Noted. Would you please consider running send-pr to submit that for man 5 ? Prepending EXAMPLES Appending SEE ALSO pkg(8) There is no src/share/man/man5/local.sqlite.5 in both 10.0-RELEASE

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-08 Thread Nikola Pavlović
On 06/02/14 13:58, Rick Miller wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Nebdal dneb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Rick Miller vmil...@hostileadmin.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Big Lebowski spankthes...@gmail.com wrote: The ability to install

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-08 Thread Nikola Pavlović
On 08/02/14 14:04, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Michel Talon wrote: So how to interact with local.sqlite? Thanks Michel, Noted. Further, if you really want to debug and inspect with text tools you can simply do $ sqlite3 local.sqlite .dump dump.sql or $ sqlite3 -csv local.sqlite .dump

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Big Lebowski
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: 1. The ports/packages system is not total crap. In fact, at the time jkh started it, it was far superior to any tool available. When I first encountered the

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Rick Miller
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Big Lebowski spankthes...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: I'd be interested to hear what features you think are missing. We will implement anything (eventually...) that there is

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Daniel Nebdal
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Rick Miller vmil...@hostileadmin.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Big Lebowski spankthes...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: I'd be interested to hear what features you think

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Julian H. Stacey
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Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 01:27:50PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey escribió: Michel Talon wrote: The old package system was total = crap, local.sqlite is also crap, breaks decades of accessibility by find grep other text pipe / search tools. Since many years I have always

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Rick Miller
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Nebdal dneb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Rick Miller vmil...@hostileadmin.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Big Lebowski spankthes...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Matthew Seaman

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread John Marino
On 2/6/2014 13:27, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Michel Talon wrote: charset=us-ascii Junk mail format, not impressed. Use Ascii This is petty. i can only conclude, like Matthew that you are being absurd. Personal inuendo does not impress. While you may take this as an unnecessary

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread John Marino
On 2/6/2014 13:58, Rick Miller wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Nebdal dneb...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect he meant a certain version, and *not* newer - sometimes you might want to hold back a package. Correct. My wish is the functionality be extended further to mean a

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Daniel Nebdal
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 01:27:50PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey escribió: Michel Talon wrote: The old package system was total = crap, local.sqlite is also crap, breaks decades of accessibility by find

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote: If you use poudriere, you can roll your own packages with custom options and maintain things pretty reasonably, but for a single system (or two), this is a bit of overkill. As things stand, this is a real pain to use

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Lars Engels
Am 2014-02-06 14:05, schrieb Daniel Nebdal: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 01:27:50PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey escribió: Michel Talon wrote: The old package system was total = crap, local.sqlite is also crap,

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 02:36:30PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe escribió: On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote: If you use poudriere, you can roll your own packages with custom options and maintain things pretty reasonably, but for a

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Thu, February 6, 2014 4:27 am, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Michel Talon wrote: ports/ is not just for package addicts. I never install packages, but only build install from ports/. sqlite junk obstructs /var/db/pkg being accessed by find grep to debug breaking ports = builds. As

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:49:24 +0100 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 02:36:30PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe escribió: On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote: If you use poudriere, you can roll your own

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Randy Pratt
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: 1. The ports/packages system is not total crap. In fact, at the time jkh started

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Randy Pratt bsd-u...@embarqmail.com wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote:

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 03:55:57PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe escribió: I think anybody who compiles from ports should _really_ use poudriere. I even think it should be strongly suggested in the handbook. (I'd be willing to write that up for that matter.) Please

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Michel Talon
Le 6 févr. 2014 à 13:27, Julian H. Stacey a écrit : you = have to spend a couple of minutes learning the basic SQL queries, which is no more difficult that learning = obtuse find and grep options. Package addicts were so myopic they ignored some people won't even use packages, just

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread olli hauer
On 2014-02-06 13:45, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 01:27:50PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey escribió: Michel Talon wrote: The old package system was total = crap, local.sqlite is also crap, breaks decades of accessibility by find grep other text pipe /

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread olli hauer
On 2014-02-06 19:17, Michel Talon wrote: Le 6 févr. 2014 à 13:27, Julian H. Stacey a écrit : you = have to spend a couple of minutes learning the basic SQL queries, which is no more difficult that learning = obtuse find and grep options. Package addicts were so myopic they ignored some

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread John Marino
On 2/6/2014 17:13, Randy Pratt wrote: My experience with mixing ports and packages dates back to 2.2.5 and the disasters it created. Most of the problems were created by the ports tree and package builds not being syncronized. I switched to ports exclusively and have not had those problems

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Łukasz Wąsikowski
W dniu 2014-02-06 14:04, John Marino pisze: On 2/6/2014 13:58, Rick Miller wrote: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Nebdal dneb...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect he meant a certain version, and *not* newer - sometimes you might want to hold back a package. Correct. My wish is the

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 06/02/2014 12:45, Matthias Apitz wrote: Since many years I have always compiled my (i.e. the ports I need) from CVS or now SVN ports tree on some fast baquery maschine. After compiling I just did something like: # mkdir PKG # cd PKG # pkg_create -Rnb `cd /var/db/pkg ; ls -C1` and

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Matthew Seaman wrote: On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to compile from source, =20 I use source, rarely if ever use packages, (except pkg_delete to remove old broken dependencies). No opinion which scrips are

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Steven Hartland
- Original Message - From: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com Immediately personal criticism is a poor way to start convincing. ports/ is not just for package addicts. I never install packages, but only build install from ports/. sqlite junk obstructs /var/db/pkg being accessed by

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Michel Talon
ports/ is not just for package addicts. I never install packages, but only build install from ports/. sqlite junk obstructs /var/db/pkg being accessed by find grep to debug breaking ports builds. As someone who has advocated the use of sqlite to replace the old database in the filesystem

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 05.02.2014 23:02, schrieb Julian H. Stacey: Matthew Seaman wrote: On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to compile from source, =20 I use source, rarely if ever use packages, (except pkg_delete to remove old broken

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.dewrote: Am 05.02.2014 23:02, schrieb Julian H. Stacey: Matthew Seaman wrote: On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to compile from source, =20

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: 1. The ports/packages system is not total crap. In fact, at the time jkh started it, it was far superior to any tool available. When I first encountered the ports, way back in 1998 or so, I was completely mind-blown that something so fantastic could

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: 1. The ports/packages system is not total crap. In fact, at the time jkh started it, it was far superior to any tool available. When I first encountered the

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-04 Thread Mathieu Arnold
+--On 3 février 2014 19:23:12 -0800 Jeffrey Bouquet jeffreybouq...@yahoo.com wrote: | /# find /var/db/pkg -type d -name p5* | xargs -J % find -type f -name | +CONTENTS -exec grep -H 5.12 {} \; | grep pm | gtr -s \/ \n | grep | p5 | sort | uniq | xargs -J % portmaster -d -B -P -i -g % yell ||

[FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread FreeBSD Ports Management Team Secretary
in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to compile from source, you will still reap the benefits of the modern packaging system. http://blogs.freebsdish.org/portmgr/2014/02/03/time-to-bid-farewell-to-the-old-pkg_-tools/ ___ freebsd-ports

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Julian H. Stacey
be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to compile from source, I use source, rarely if ever use packages, (except pkg_delete to remove old broken dependencies). No opinion which scrips are better. you will still reap the benefits of the modern packaging system.

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to compile from source, I use source, rarely if ever use packages, (except pkg_delete to remove old broken dependencies). No opinion which scrips are better. you will still

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Jeffrey Bouquet
My first post that quotes good: Thunderbird rather than the webmail... [As this one is about to be send, I see that it is a restate/duplicate of the one lost in a webmail glitch ... so apologies...] On 02/03/14 14:38, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: be

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Jeffrey Bouquet jeffreybouq...@yahoo.comwrote: My first post that quotes good: Thunderbird rather than the webmail... [As this one is about to be send, I see that it is a restate/duplicate of the one lost in a webmail glitch ... so apologies...] On

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 04/02/2014 03:23, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: /# find /var/db/pkg -type d -name p5* | xargs -J % find -type f -name +CONTENTS -exec grep -H 5.12 {} \; | grep pm | gtr -s \/ \n | grep p5 | sort | uniq | xargs -J % portmaster -d -B -P -i -g % yell || yell That pipe, corrected ( the working