Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-14 Thread bofh
Please. The GPL v4 mail was started by a troll. I am surprised that anyone from the linux camp was taken in and keeps feeding the troll. There's no GPL v4 (yet) and anyone who thinks there is, is a moron. Now, can we leave a dead thread dead? Zombies should be exterminated on sight.

Re: control character file names

2008-12-14 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008, Noah wrote: Hi there, there is a blank directory that I cant seem to view. I believe the directory is a '^M'. can somebody please explain how I can see filenames and directories containing control characters. Also how do I rename the directory with 'mv'? There

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Robert Huff
Giorgos Keramidas writes: Some of us disagree with the 'off topic police'. If you have questions about programs that _run_ on FreeBSD, please keep asking here. Nothing has changed. Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and hore to get answered, I believe the

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Giorgos Keramidas writes: Some of us disagree with the 'off topic police'. If you have questions about programs that _run_ on FreeBSD, please keep asking here. Nothing has changed. Umm ... while one can ask

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Robert Huff
Glen Barber writes: Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and hore to get answered, I believe the sanctioned forum is po...@. It's rather lower traffic, which is not a bad thing. I agree that they probably *should* be asked on ports@, but because it

Re: control character file names

2008-12-14 Thread Noah
* Use a file manager. I often use `dired-mode' inside an Emacs session to move around, copy, re-organize, rename or delete files. Any file manager that can display several character sets at once will do fine :) Hey there Giorgos, I'd love to use emacs but I go into

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: bad (TM). No -- at *any* level: you are wrong. for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees ktalk about your company. That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement. -- Chad Perrin [

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:26:21PM -0800, prad wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'll provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe you'll be able to understand my point ... good illustrative examples, chad! i

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:38:29PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: without moderation it's a mess. I've seen more mess in response to your entirely unwelcoming manner than ever in response to anything you call off topic in some of your examples. It's nice people like to help other people,

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:49:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: you're reply to another post: If you wish you can call me fuhrer ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly got too far. :D good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. i think it's a problem of fear about past

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:04:18PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this i don't discourage beginners that want to learn. Most of them don't. Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says I'm a Windows user, but I'm

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:03:29AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers were stupid. Maybe they were... the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. or is not? Perhaps you are not familiar with the term analogy.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:49:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. exactly... when is something part of FBSD and when not? what is base system ~

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:42:32PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: probably that they would create competitors somehow, magically, without providing any information that directly encourages competition for their hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support or simply

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:31:17PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the same... check if_iwi and its firmware. No other wifi device (that I'm aware of- at least they'd be in the minority anyway) works this way. The excuse is fcc regs- I

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target toward which to develop drivers.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Matthew Seaman
prad wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really idiots) make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less work. exactly! proper advocacy on a 'free' (or

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread prad
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:28 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, and moderation would just set a precedent for it's someone else's job. i don't think that has to happen at all. personally i think self-moderation

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread prad
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:03:55 + Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: Heh. The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong. The difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask for, and the good customers what they actually need now that is

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Da Rock
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:53 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, and to develop them we'd need the hardware

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 19:45:24 PST Robert Huff wrote: Glen Barber writes: Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and hore to get answered, I believe the sanctioned forum is po...@. It's rather lower traffic, which is not a bad thing. I agree that they probably *should*

Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:12:40AM +1300, Mark Kirkwood wrote: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been

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