Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-20 Thread Daniela
On Saturday 17 April 2004 12:38, Stephen Liu wrote: Where can I find simple and straight forward guide for Assembly for beginner. Hi, sorry for the late answer, I couldn't check my mail earlier. I found the following site to be quite helpful:

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-20 Thread Daniela
On Saturday 17 April 2004 15:30, Dan MacMillan wrote: From: Daniela Sent: April 17, 2004 04:50 OO languages can be optimized differently than non-OO languages, and when you translate one language into another, this advantage gets lost. I challenge you to defend this claim with a specific

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-20 Thread Daniela
On Saturday 17 April 2004 18:10, Kai Grossjohann wrote: Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 16 April 2004 20:31, Kai Grossjohann wrote: Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What? C++ code is converted to C? Which compiler are you using, and why the hell would a compiler do this?

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-20 Thread Daniela
On Saturday 17 April 2004 12:38, DoubleF wrote: On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 10:50:29AM +, Daniela probably wrote: On Friday 16 April 2004 21:52, Lucas Holt wrote: Why would one need C++ if it's converted to C anyway? C++ is useful for programmers that believe in object oriented

RE: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-20 Thread Dan MacMillan
From: Daniela Sent: April 20, 2004 15:25 I don't really have a specific example, but it's quite the same with human languages. The more often a text is translated, the more useless information gets added to it. And if the original text is beautifully written, it is often total crap when you

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-17 Thread Daniela
On Friday 16 April 2004 21:52, Lucas Holt wrote: Why would one need C++ if it's converted to C anyway? C++ is useful for programmers that believe in object oriented methodologies. Some things are easier to do in C++ as well. It all depends on the programmer. You seem to favor assembly

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-17 Thread DoubleF
On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 10:50:29AM +, Daniela probably wrote: On Friday 16 April 2004 21:52, Lucas Holt wrote: Why would one need C++ if it's converted to C anyway? C++ is useful for programmers that believe in object oriented methodologies. Some things are easier to do in C++ as

RE: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-17 Thread Dan MacMillan
From: Daniela Sent: April 17, 2004 04:50 OO languages can be optimized differently than non-OO languages, and when you translate one language into another, this advantage gets lost. I challenge you to defend this claim with a specific example. I would rather say, assembly is fast and can be

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-17 Thread Kai Grossjohann
Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 16 April 2004 20:31, Kai Grossjohann wrote: Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What? C++ code is converted to C? Which compiler are you using, and why the hell would a compiler do this? In the old days, C++ was implemented by a program called

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-17 Thread Kai Grossjohann
Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why would one need C++ if it's converted to C anyway? Why would one need C if it's converted to machine language anyway? Why would one need machine language if it's converted to micro-ops anyway? Do you see my point? Kai

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-16 Thread Daniela
On Thursday 15 April 2004 11:10, Lucas Holt wrote: Many universities teach C++ exclusiveley now. Java and C++ share some common ground on syntax and the fact that they both support Object oriented programming. Aside from that, there are many differences. C++ is native code and executes

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-16 Thread Miles Lubin
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:20:36 + Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 15 April 2004 11:10, Lucas Holt wrote: Many universities teach C++ exclusiveley now. Java and C++ share some common ground on syntax and the fact that they both support Object oriented programming. Aside from

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-16 Thread Kai Grossjohann
Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What? C++ code is converted to C? Which compiler are you using, and why the hell would a compiler do this? In the old days, C++ was implemented by a program called cfront, I believe, and it did convert C++ to C. If you can write a program that converts

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-16 Thread Daniela
On Friday 16 April 2004 19:13, Miles Lubin wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:20:36 + Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 15 April 2004 11:10, Lucas Holt wrote: Many universities teach C++ exclusiveley now. Java and C++ share some common ground on syntax and the fact that they

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-16 Thread Daniela
On Friday 16 April 2004 20:31, Kai Grossjohann wrote: Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What? C++ code is converted to C? Which compiler are you using, and why the hell would a compiler do this? In the old days, C++ was implemented by a program called cfront, I believe, and it did convert

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-16 Thread Lucas Holt
Why would one need C++ if it's converted to C anyway? C++ is useful for programmers that believe in object oriented methodologies. Some things are easier to do in C++ as well. It all depends on the programmer. You seem to favor assembly languages. I've found that many people into assembly

RE: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-15 Thread Lucas Holt
I would suggest C before C++. I took a C class after tring C++ on my own. I tought C++ was newer and better. Actually I found it was only newer. It has new features and such, just not better because it was an extension or expansion to C. I don't use C++ so I am sure there are those that

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
Thanks, I will strongly consider your advice. Tomorrow I'm heading out to barns and noble to pick up some reading. Any good beginner C books you may recommend? It wouldn't be thought a beginner book per se, but you should have the KR C Programming Language as it is the definitive

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
Thanks, I will strongly consider your advice. Tomorrow I'm heading out to barns and noble to pick up some reading. Any good beginner C books you may recommend? It wouldn't be thought a beginner book per se, but you should have the KR C Programming Language as it is the

RE: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-15 Thread Lucas Holt
K R is a good book. For C++, Absolute C++ was my textbook last semester and I found it to be pretty good. Avoid the Deitel Deitel C++ book. It has a few good reference chapters but covers material in a very choppy way. Practical C++ programming from O'Reilley is a good book on C++ basics.

Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-14 Thread Me
Hi, I've learn shell scripting and java on my freebsd box since I migrated from winblows 98 a while back. now i'm ready to move to a more sophisticated language. I have decided to go with C++. Is there any bigginer guides online that you may have run a cross that would help me get started? Joe

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-14 Thread Simon Barner
Me wrote: Hi, I've learn shell scripting and java on my freebsd box since I migrated from winblows 98 a while back. now i'm ready to move to a more sophisticated language. I have decided to go with C++. Is there any bigginer guides online that you may have run a cross that would help me get

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-14 Thread jason
Me wrote: Hi, I've learn shell scripting and java on my freebsd box since I migrated from winblows 98 a while back. now i'm ready to move to a more sophisticated language. I have decided to go with C++. Is there any bigginer guides online that you may have run a cross that would help me get

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-14 Thread Rob
Me wrote: Hi, I've learn shell scripting and java on my freebsd box since I migrated from winblows 98 a while back. now i'm ready to move to a more sophisticated language. I have decided to go with C++. Is there any bigginer guides online that you may have run a cross that would help me get

Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-14 Thread Me
Thanks, I will strongly consider your advice. Tomorrow I'm heading out to barns and noble to pick up some reading. Any good beginner C books you may recommend? thanks for your time every one! Joe --- jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me wrote: Hi, I've learn shell scripting and java on my

RE: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD

2004-04-14 Thread Timothy Goshinski
: Re: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD Thanks, I will strongly consider your advice. Tomorrow I'm heading out to barns and noble to pick up some reading. Any good beginner C books you may recommend? thanks for your time every one! Joe --- jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me wrote: Hi, I've learn shell