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>"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
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>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
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>No. I have no objection to your po
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>would think th
Unless of course you made it clear that the resemblance was
intentional and your use of the copyrighted image was as part of
legitimate social commentary (e.g. satire, or critique). You'd get
in trouble if you tried to pass it off as an independent work. Thus
the infamous "Beastie F'ing Tux
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
On Jul 20, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Josh Ockert wrote:
No I disagree. I'm fairly certain that an independently drawn
personified mouse would not be copyright infringement.
Calling it "Mickey Mouse" may very well be trademark infringement,
however.
As long
On Jul 20, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Josh Ockert wrote:
No I disagree. I'm fairly certain that an independently drawn
personified mouse would not be copyright infringement.
Calling it "Mickey Mouse" may very well be trademark infringement,
however.
As long as the "independently drawn personif
On 7/20/05, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jul 20, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Bob Johnson wrote:
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> > IANAL either, but in general, a copyright holder has the right to
> > control
> > derivative works as well. You can't publish pictures of Mickey
> > Mouse without
> > perm
On Jul 20, 2005, at 11:39 AM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
As I understand it Apple is using some of the code from FreeBSD, but
FreeBSD isn't necessarily *getting* anything as an obligation from
them.
Ideally, if businesses give
On Jul 20, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Bob Johnson wrote:
IANAL either, but in general, a copyright holder has the right to
control
derivative works as well. You can't publish pictures of Mickey
Mouse without
permission of Disney, even if you drew the pictures yourself, and you
(probably) can't publ
On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
As I understand it Apple is using some of the code from FreeBSD,
but FreeBSD isn't necessarily *getting* anything as an obligation
from them.
Ideally, if businesses give to them, that's a bonus. Businesses
have always been able to t
Josh Ockert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 1:53 :
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> As to the subject of copyright infringement, allowing other
> Beastie-like images to be associated with FreeBSD is not copyright
> infringement. Gentoo's penguin is not copyright infringement. Stylized
> logos that are
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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On Jul 20, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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Subject: Re: Demon license
On Tuesday, 19 July 2005 at 3:54:06 -0600, Ray Jenson wrote:
> It was not my intention to start a flame war, folks. I'm sorry. I didn't
> realize what a hot topic this little daemon is, and I really didn't mean to
> step on anyone's feel-bads or press anyone's hot-buttons.
>
> I've taken the tongu
On Jul 19, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Josh Ockert wrote:
On 7/19/05, Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Josh Ockert wrote:
Go ahead. Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
consider any position different than your own. I am at least
willing
On 7/19/05, Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Josh Ockert wrote:
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> >> Go ahead. Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
> >> consider any position different than your own. I am at least
> >> willing to continue to discuss it.
> >
>
On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Josh Ockert wrote:
Go ahead. Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
consider any position different than your own. I am at least
willing to continue to discuss it.
No. I have no objection to your position. I have an objection to your
complete
> Go ahead. Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
> consider any position different than your own. I am at least
> willing to continue to discuss it.
No. I have no objection to your position. I have an objection to your
complete lack of disrespect. You are a troll. You go on a
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greg Lehey said:
>
> "I'm sure we would object if someone drew a 'devil' image and
> associated it with FreeBSD."
>
> Re-read this please. "DEVIL" image? What is that? Devil in
> this context is a religious term. So what Greg is really saying
>
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>On Monday
On Monday, 18 July 2005 at 2:23:45 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2005 1:53 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> On Monday, 18 July 2005 at 1:12:12 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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This is somewhat off-topic, but I'd like to point out that I'm not the
one raising the issue.
There have been numerous attempts on -questions to paint the advocates
of a new logo as anti-Beastie. Specifically, Ted, you claim that "The
agitators in the FreeBSD project that want to jettison it are f
It was not my intention to start a flame war, folks. I'm sorry. I didn't
realize what a hot topic this little daemon is, and I really didn't mean to
step on anyone's feel-bads or press anyone's hot-buttons.
I've taken the tongue-in-cheek comments as just that: tongue-in-cheek. I'm
not a "member" o
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On Monday, 18 July 2005 at 1:12:12 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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> On Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:14 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
No I didn
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Ray Jenson wrote:
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> Here's where Brian Tao comes in: we'd like permission to use the
> demon on our web site when directly linked to BSD, as well as a
> composite graphic (sample is attached) that would show the devil
> alongside other logos, such as Tux, the Red Hat logo, an
On Sunday 17 July 2005 17:54, Ray Jenson wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> My name is Ray Jenson, and I'm the CEO of a new start-up company in Utah,
> called Red Heron Corporation. Our company has recently decided that we'd
> like to start shipping CD's as a service to our customers. We would
> prominently d
On Sunday, 17 July 2005 at 16:54:30 -0600, Ray Jenson wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> My name is Ray Jenson, and I'm the CEO of a new start-up company in Utah,
> called Red Heron Corporation. Our company has recently decided that we'd
> like to start shipping CD's as a service to our customers. We would
>
Greetings!
My name is Ray Jenson, and I'm the CEO of a new start-up company in Utah,
called Red Heron Corporation. Our company has recently decided that we'd
like to start shipping CD's as a service to our customers. We would
prominently display a link to the FreeBSD web site, as well as notifying
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