Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:51:34PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
[ ...diatribe deleted... ]
Is that clear enough for you? I'm not an imbecile that doesn't
know how
to use email, and I'm not using a mail client circa 1884
I tried Ubuntu once and went through an upgrade. This was after some
years of Debian at home. There were problems, I thought it was a
joke. The documentation was also very bad, having to google for web
(PHP forums) pages with the right fix. Looked very ammateurish.
I moved to FreeBSD. I had
On 4/14/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
I suppose your the kind of user that would benefit from using PC-BSD.
PC-BSD is not a distro. It
On 4/13/07, Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
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I'll give you a real example. I havea licensed mathematics package
called Maple. It expensive. Ubuntu (Debian) just broke the
installation from one upgrade to
I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily
dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity
on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by
using Make files. Do they have a better backtracking algorith then
Make? No.
Debian's
Henry Lenzi wrote:
On 4/13/07, Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
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I'll give you a real example. I have a licensed mathematics package
called Maple. It expensive. Ubuntu (Debian) just broke the
Henry Lenzi wrote:
I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily
dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity
on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by
using Make files. Do they have a better backtracking algorithm then
On 4/19/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henry Lenzi wrote:
I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily
dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity
on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by
using Make files. Do
I'll give you a real example. I have a licensed mathematics package
called Maple. It expensive. Ubuntu (Debian) just broke the
installation from one upgrade to another. They take pride in not
keeping backwards compatibility. Then, I used FreeBSD with the Red Hat
emulation software, ad I have
Henry Lenzi wrote:
On 4/19/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henry Lenzi wrote:
I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily
dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity
on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 02:42:57PM -0300, Henry Lenzi wrote:
I'll give you a real example. I have a licensed mathematics package
called Maple. It expensive. Ubuntu (Debian) just broke the
installation from one upgrade to another. They take pride in not
keeping backwards compatibility.
[mailed (but cc line trimmed) and posted]
On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Any who get emails from me
in this thread today, please check to see if they were addressed to
the
list in CC, and if not, forward them to the list if you don't mind.
Surely that will result in
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:44:02AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
I just accidentally sent some responses to comments in various
parts of
this discussion thread that targeted only the individual people who
sent
the emails to which I responded.
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:16:28PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
[mailed (but cc line trimmed) and posted]
On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Any who get emails from me
in this thread today, please check to see if they were addressed to
the
list in CC, and if not, forward
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:51:34PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
[ ...diatribe deleted... ]
Is that clear enough for you? I'm not an imbecile that doesn't
know how
to use email, and I'm not using a mail client circa 1884 either.
Several
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:37:27 -0300
Henry Lenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/19/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henry Lenzi wrote:
I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily
dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity
on top of a
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:51:34PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
[ ...diatribe deleted... ]
Is that clear enough for you? I'm not an imbecile that doesn't
know how
to use email, and I'm not using a mail
Forwarded on behalf of Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:29:43AM +0100, Alex Zbyslaw wrote:
How does apt-get compare to something like yum/up2date on FC/RHEL? I.e.
is there something that makes apt-get better?
It uses a package format that requires more information
Hopefully that helps answer some of your questions. Overall, I find the
FreeBSD ports system to be more flexible, but an acceptable runner-up
for purposes of binary package-based OSes in my opinion is Debian.
Just to add my .02$ to this topic, speaking from a perspective of a
FreeBSD lover in
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
depending on your hardware a FreeBSD
Op zondag 15 april 2007, schreef Gary Kline:
I like both Gnome and KDE; altho parts of KDE work better for my
mindset. SO nutshell, can I upgrade my present default Gnome
Desktop (aka: wm:) to be KDE?? Or equally, is there some
magic command to install more
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
On 4/13/07, Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
More useful documentation (the Handbook is great) and easier to debug than
any Linux distribution I've ever tried (including Mandrake, Ubuntu, Kubuntu,
SUSE 6.3, SLED, Debian, SLC, and MEPIS). There's also
Message: 17
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500
From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I like Ubuntu
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Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
I find
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
depending on your hardware a FreeBSD
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true
Paul Butler wrote:
Message: 17
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500
From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I like Ubuntu
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Why is freebsd better
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I
Garrett Cooper wrote:
Paul Butler wrote:
Message: 17
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500
From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I like Ubuntu
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
depending on your
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:57:44AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
Well, we have some problems sometimes with cyclic dependencies
(portinstall / portupgrade and friends), and people aren't really happy
when names of categories / packages get changed (like what's happened
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most
likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux.
That's by no means universal among Linux distributions. Debian actually
provides
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
wrote Paul Butler thusly...
If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want
intelligently planned technology with the latest stable
applications, you are operating web servers, or you just plain
want to get expertise in real Unix then there is nothing
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote:
To me, apt-get is certainly cleaner and superior to
portupgrade/portmanager. Perhaps someday either or will be as reliable
as apt-get.
Just my opinions of course.
In my experience, portupgrade is more reliable than apt-get. I have
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:34:46PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
But some of the manpages are out of date, like for the coreutils (I
think mv/cp was one of them?). I like the comment in there about
Stallman liking infopages but Debian-ites having to create a manpage :).
I personally hate
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 04:15:43PM -0400, Parv wrote:
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
wrote Paul Butler thusly...
If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want
intelligently planned technology with the latest stable
applications, you are operating web servers, or you just
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
[[ ... ]]
In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an
understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk.
Gary Kline wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
[[ ... ]]
In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an
understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions,
On 2007-04-14 12:34, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are
most likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux.
That's by no means universal among
Gary Kline wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:10:17PM -0500, Chris wrote:
Gary Kline wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote:
Gary -
Not so - upgrading Ubuntu is pretty much a click. Have a look at this
URL and you'll see 2 ways to upgrade
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:58:17PM -0500, Chris wrote:
Actually - Ubuntu's default isn't KDE, it's Gnome. Kubuntu is what you
want if you prefer the K environment - however, that's not to say that
if you install Ubuntu, you can't install KDE (or XFCE4 - that happens to
be Xubuntu).
Gary Kline wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:58:17PM -0500, Chris wrote:
Actually - Ubuntu's default isn't KDE, it's Gnome. Kubuntu is what you
want if you prefer the K environment - however, that's not to say that
if you install Ubuntu, you can't install KDE (or XFCE4 - that happens to
be
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:34:46PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most
likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux.
That's by no means
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
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On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Claude Menski wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
It may or may not be-- people have different requirements and
different opinions and preferences.
http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php
...might give you some more
On 2007/04/13 9:21, Claude Menski seems to have typed:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
Why are you looking for something else? Maybe Ubuntu will be better for
your purposes, maybe it won't.
I suggest starting your research by reading this:
http://www.lemis.com/bsdpaper.html
Claude Menski wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
Because you can still use it if the U key is borked?
:-D
If this is a serious question, and I suppose it could be,
it would be better to move this to [EMAIL PROTECTED].
You have heard of religious wars and flame wars, I
suppose? This is
Claude Menski wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
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Ubuntu has an obviously intoxicated penguin for a mascot, whereas
FreeBSD has a Dever little Clevil... oops, I mean a Clever little Devil,
for a mascot.
Daemon is a gas, whereas the
Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
I like Ubuntu too. If you want a desktop OS that Just Works and
doesn't require a lot of time to configure and keep up-to-date, it's a
good choice.
On the server side, however, I find that it is FreeBSD rather than
On Apr 13, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Claude Menski wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
Because the FreeBSD mailing list is resilient to things that might
otherwise start a flame war.
But in case your question was serious, the answer is, as others have
said, It depends on what you want to
And we like BSD... ;)
I think you should test it for some weeks, before asking such questions.
If you like ubuntu, use it. It's free software. It runs. So why not.
But some people think, that BSD runs better when Linux...
Test it on your own. ;)
Dmitri.
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On Friday 13 April 2007 12:21:43 pm Claude Menski wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
It's easier to spell.
--
In 1869 the waffle iron was invented for people who had wrinkled
waffles.
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On Apr 13, 2007, at 4:48 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2007 12:21:43 pm Claude Menski wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
It's easier to spell.
Not to mention pronounce.
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:43:27PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
I like Ubuntu too. If you want a desktop OS that Just Works and
doesn't require a lot of time to configure and keep up-to-date, it's a
good
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
I like Ubuntu too. If you want a desktop OS that Just Works and
doesn't require a lot of time to configure and keep up-to-date, it's a
good choice.
On the server
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On Apr 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Jeff wrote:
On Apr 13, 2007, at 4:48 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2007 12:21:43 pm Claude Menski wrote:
Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?
It's easier to spell.
Not to mention pronounce.
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