Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-30 Thread Mark Edwards
On Apr 27, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Bill Moran wrote: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:47:37 -0500 James Riendeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? Mac OS X has a complete unix freebsd-like core called darwin ( http://www.darwin.org ). There's no reason to install freebsd on it. Just install Mac Developer

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-30 Thread Uwe Laverenz
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 02:03:20AM -0700, Mark Edwards wrote: So, how about it? Is the concept of running this off of Ubuntu being easier than FreeBSD just a pipe-dream? I have messed with Debian and Ubuntu, but never tried to run a server off of either. I would love to hear from

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-30 Thread John Cruz
Mark Edwards wrote: At the risk of digressing on this topic, I want to add that I am actually at this point deciding between FreeBSD for the migration (i.e. 4.x on an old Gateway to 6.x on a Intel Mac Mini) and Ubuntu. The idea of moving to Ubuntu is that it might be simpler and less

Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Mark Edwards
Does anyone know if the Intel Macs can boot and install FreeBSD, now that the firmware includes BIOS compatibility? Has anyone seen it happen? I'm thinking of using a Mac Mini as a quiet living-room server. Thanks! -- Mark Edwards ___

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread James Riendeau
Why? Mac OS X has a complete unix freebsd-like core called darwin ( http://www.darwin.org ). There's no reason to install freebsd on it. Just install Mac Developer Tools (included in the Applications folder), compile your favorite progs and go. James Riendeau MMI Computer Support

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread James Riendeau
Oops. Looks like the URL changed. It is: http://opensource.apple.com/ -james On Apr 27, 2006, at 3:47 PM, James Riendeau wrote: Why? Mac OS X has a complete unix freebsd-like core called darwin ( http://www.darwin.org ). There's no reason to install freebsd on it. Just install Mac

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Bill Moran
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:47:37 -0500 James Riendeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? Mac OS X has a complete unix freebsd-like core called darwin ( http://www.darwin.org ). There's no reason to install freebsd on it. Just install Mac Developer Tools (included in the Applications folder),

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Mark Edwards
Because I want to run FreeBSD, not Darwin. This is for a server, not for a desktop. I'm used to FreeBSD, and I am migrating an existing machine over. On Apr 27, 2006, at 1:49 PM, James Riendeau wrote: Oops. Looks like the URL changed. It is: http:// opensource.apple.com/ -james

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread John Cruz
A mac mini is an odd machine to make into a server, but no matter. I doubt you'll run into any issues with installing it. Darwin is nice, but it was developed to be the underlying layer of the finder GUI. And the freeBSD ports system is so much nicer than any other nix install system that

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Apr 27, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Bill Moran wrote: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:47:37 -0500 James Riendeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? Mac OS X has a complete unix freebsd-like core called darwin ( http://www.darwin.org ). There's no reason to install freebsd on it. Just install Mac Developer

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Mark Edwards
The Mac Mini is fast, small, quiet, and cheap. Why is it not a good cheap server? On Apr 27, 2006, at 1:58 PM, John Cruz wrote: A mac mini is an odd machine to make into a server, but no matter. I doubt you'll run into any issues with installing it. Darwin is nice, but it was developed

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Daan Vreeken [PA4DAN]
On Thursday 27 April 2006 22:03, Mark Edwards wrote: Does anyone know if the Intel Macs can boot and install FreeBSD, now that the firmware includes BIOS compatibility? Has anyone seen it happen? I'm thinking of using a Mac Mini as a quiet living-room server. Thanks! Have a look at the

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Apr 27, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: The Mac Mini is fast, small, quiet, and cheap. Why is it not a good cheap server? I would only be concerned about the disk depending on what sort of server you are intending to have. I do not know but assume that they still use the

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Bill Moran
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:08:37 -0600 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 27, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Bill Moran wrote: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:47:37 -0500 James Riendeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? Mac OS X has a complete unix freebsd-like core called darwin (

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Apr 27, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Bill Moran wrote: I haven't tried Fink, but that's because a number of people warned me to avoid it. That could have been bad info, though. darwin-ports didn't work for me at all. I could get it to do nothing once installed. The instructions seemed simple

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Mark Edwards
On Apr 27, 2006, at 2:21 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Apr 27, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: The Mac Mini is fast, small, quiet, and cheap. Why is it not a good cheap server? I would only be concerned about the disk depending on what sort of server you are intending

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Dan Busarow
On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: On Apr 27, 2006, at 2:21 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: That brings up an important point. I would want to hook up a USB2.0 or Firewire hard drive to the machine, either as a boot drive, a backup drive, or both (two drives). How

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Mark Edwards
On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Dan Busarow wrote: On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: On Apr 27, 2006, at 2:21 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: That brings up an important point. I would want to hook up a USB2.0 or Firewire hard drive to the machine, either as a boot

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread Dan Busarow
On Thursday, April 27, 2006, at 05:49 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Dan Busarow wrote: On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: On Apr 27, 2006, at 2:21 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: That brings up an important point. I would want to hook up a

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread John Cruz
I didn't say it wasn't good, I just said it was an odd choice. It's not very often you hear Mac Mini Server thrown together. Keep us posted on how it all works out. :) Mark Edwards wrote: The Mac Mini is fast, small, quiet, and cheap. Why is it not a good cheap server? On Apr 27, 2006, at

Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD?

2006-04-27 Thread michael johnson
On 4/27/06, James Riendeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? Mac OS X has a complete unix freebsd-like core called darwin ( http://www.darwin.org ). There's no reason to install freebsd on it. Just install Mac Developer Tools (included in the Applications folder), compile your favorite progs and