Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:19 -0400
From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:34 GMT
Anton Shterenlikht articulated
On 30/03/2013 10:14, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
The university IT support page:
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/it-services/applications/email/gmail/manual-config-gmail.html
actually says that port 465 SSL should be used,
so I also tried:
$ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465 -starttls
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:14:44 GMT
Anton Shterenlikht articulated:
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:19 -0400
From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please
help
On Fri, 29 Mar
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:45 +
Matthew Seaman articulated:
Given you're seeing that CONNECTED message there, it certainly does.
The problem with that openssl command seems to be the 'unable to get
local issuer certificate' part. That's possibly openssl being pickier
about verifying certs
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:49:19 -0400
From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Operation timed out with smtp.gmail.com - please help
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:49:45 +
Matthew Seaman articulated
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
Anton Shterenlikht articulated:
Jerry, Matthew, thank you
I think I got it working.
In addition to your advice, this guide was very helpful:
http://www.phinesolutions.com/sendmail-gmail-smtp-relay-howto.html
It seems these two options were
Please help debug sendmail / smtp.gmail config.
My University just switched to gmail (dickheads)
and I'm trying to figure out how to set it up.
It used to work ok with the University smtp auth
server. Now I get in /var/log/maillog:
sm-mta[72300]: r2TI0vQc072134: to=me...@bris.ac.uk,
ctladdr
gmail has blocking mechanism when you use it from different devices,
try this maybe it will help:
https://accounts.google.com/DisplayUnlockCaptcha
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On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:32:34 GMT
Anton Shterenlikht articulated:
Please help debug sendmail / smtp.gmail config.
My University just switched to gmail (dickheads)
and I'm trying to figure out how to set it up.
It used to work ok with the University smtp auth
server. Now I get in /var/log
Good day
Im not it its because of a power failure or what, but for some reason my
'download server', has lost its raid (0/ stripe).
Im trying to fix this, for the raid contains quite a few shows for my son.
If I go
[root@torry /usr/home/bclark]# gstripe list
Geom name: st0
State: UP
Status:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:36:04 PM UTC-5, Mark Felder wrote:
Hi guys I'm excitedly posting this from my phone. Good news for you guys, bad
news for us -- we were building HA storage on vmware for a client and can now
replicate the crash on demand. I'll be posting details when I get home to
On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:00:40 -0500, guy.hel...@gmail.com wrote:
Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 5
ee 60 16 0 1 0 0
Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI
Status Error
Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI
Hi guys I'm excitedly posting this from my phone. Good news for you guys, bad
news for us -- we were building HA storage on vmware for a client and can now
replicate the crash on demand. I'll be posting details when I get home to my PC
tonight, but this hopefully is enough to replicate the
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:56:02 pm Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2012 12:17:07 -0500, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
Humm, can you test it with 2 CPUs?
We primarily only run with 1 CPU. We have seen it crash on multiple CPU
VMs. Also, Dane Foster appeared to have been
So when this hang happens, there never is a real panic. It just sits in a
state which I describe as like being in a deadlock. How would I go about
getting a crashdump if it never panics? Is it possible to do the dump over
a network or something because I don't believe it can write through
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:11:11 am Mark Felder wrote:
So when this hang happens, there never is a real panic. It just sits in a
state which I describe as like being in a deadlock. How would I go about
getting a crashdump if it never panics? Is it possible to do the dump over
a network
On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:47:46 am Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:30:40 -0500, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org
wrote:
Hi,
can you please, -please- file a PR? And place all of the above
information in it so we don't lose it?
I'd be glad to post a PR and assist in
On Wed, 30 May 2012 10:06:13 -0500, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
Do you only have one CPU in this VM? If not, do you know which threads
the other CPUs were running (e.g. do you have ps7.png, etc.)?
correct, only one CPU in the VM
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On Wed, 30 May 2012 12:17:07 -0500, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
Humm, can you test it with 2 CPUs?
We primarily only run with 1 CPU. We have seen it crash on multiple CPU
VMs. Also, Dane Foster appeared to have been using multiple CPUs in his
video transcoding VMs.
On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:30:40 -0500, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org
wrote:
Hi,
can you please, -please- file a PR? And place all of the above
information in it so we don't lose it?
I'd be glad to post a PR and assist in helping to get it permanently
fixed. I certainly don't want this
Hey all,
On 25/05/2012, at 1:47 AM, Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:30:40 -0500, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi,
can you please, -please- file a PR? And place all of the above
information in it so we don't lose it?
I'd be glad to post a PR and assist in helping
On 24. May 2012, at 13:47 , Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:30:40 -0500, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi,
can you please, -please- file a PR? And place all of the above
information in it so we don't lose it?
I'd be glad to post a PR and assist in helping to get
Hi,
You guys now absolutely, positively have enough information for a PR.
It's still not clear whether it's a device/interrupt layer issue in
FreeBSD, or whether vmware is doing something wrong with how it
implements shared interrupts, or a bit of both..
Adrian
On 24 May 2012 13:54, dane
Hi,
can you please, -please- file a PR? And place all of the above
information in it so we don't lose it?
If this is indeed the problem then I really think we should root cause
why the driver and/or interrupt handling code is getting angry with
the shared interrupt.
I'd also appreciate it if
OK guys I've been talking with another user who can recreate this crash
and the last bit of information we've learned seems to be leaning towards
interrupts/IRQ issues like someone (bz@ perhaps?) suggested.
I'm still trying to test this myself, but the other user was able to
recreate my
On May 21, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
OK guys I've been talking with another user who can recreate this crash and
the last bit of information we've learned seems to be leaning towards
interrupts/IRQ issues like someone (bz@ perhaps?) suggested.
I'm still trying to test this
On Mon, 21 May 2012 12:01:19 -0500, Andrew Boyer abo...@averesystems.com
wrote:
You could try switching mpt to MSI. MSI interrupts are never shared.
Add this to /boot/device.hints:
hint.mpt.0.msi_enable=1
Currently implementing this on the known crashy servers. I've been looking
Mark Felder wrote:
OK guys I've been talking with another user who can recreate this crash
and the last bit of information we've learned seems to be leaning towards
interrupts/IRQ issues like someone (bz@ perhaps?) suggested.
I'm still trying to test this myself, but the other user was able
On Mon, 21 May 2012 13:47:45 -0500, Michael Powell
nightre...@hotmail.com wrote:
Very curious how 'irq 22 at device 22.0' and 'dev.mpt.0.%location:
slot=22'
all match with a '22'.
Strangely here in ESXi that doesn't work the same. Emulated BIOS must be
considerably different... :/
$
Quick update:
I have received word last night that this crash has been consistently
happening to someone on FreeBSD 9 and they're looking for more ideas. I
changed the following 41 days ago:
- Video memory to auto if it wasn't already
- SCSI controller changed from LSI Logic Parallel to
Guys,
The crash on my machine with debugging has evaded me for a few days. I'm
still looking for further suggestions of things I should grab from the DDB
when it happens again.
Thanks for the help everyone!
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On 4/2/2012 3:59 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
On 4/2/2012 11:43 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
As a user, you can't win. If you don't report
a problem, you get criticized. If you report a problem but can't figure
out how to reproduce it, you get criticized. If you can reproduce it
but you don't submit a
On 03/30/2012 07:41, Joe Greco wrote:
On 3/29/2012 7:01 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
On 3/28/2012 1:59 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested
As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically
it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result without
On 03/30/2012 07:41, Joe Greco wrote:
On 3/29/2012 7:01 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
On 3/28/2012 1:59 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested
As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically
it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result
On 4/2/2012 11:43 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
As a user, you can't win. If you don't report
a problem, you get criticized. If you report a problem but can't figure
out how to reproduce it, you get criticized. If you can reproduce it
but you don't submit a workaround, you get criticized. If you
On 4/2/2012 11:43 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
As a user, you can't win. If you don't report
a problem, you get criticized. If you report a problem but can't figure
out how to reproduce it, you get criticized. If you can reproduce it
but you don't submit a workaround, you get criticized. If
On 3/29/2012 7:01 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
On 3/28/2012 1:59 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested
As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically
it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result without testing a newer
version. 8.2
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:27:31 -0500, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote:
It also doesn't explain the experience here, where one VM basically
crapped out but only after a migration - and then stayed crapped out.
It would be interesting to hear about your datastore, how busy it is,
what
On 3/28/2012 1:59 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested
As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically
it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result without testing a newer
version. 8.2 came out over a year ago, many many things have
Mark Felder wrote:
Alright guys, I'm at the end of my rope here. For those that haven't seen
my previous emails here's the (not so) quick breakdown:
Overview:
FreeBSD ?? - 7.4 never crash
FreeBSD 8.0 - 8.2 crashes
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested (Sorry, not possible in our
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:31:38 -0500, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org
wrote:
* have you filed a PR?
No
* is the crash easily reproducable?
Unfortunately not. It's totally random. Some servers will get the bug
and crash daily, some will crash weekly, some might seem to be fine but 3
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 02:36:49 -0500, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically
it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result without testing a newer
version. 8.2 came out over a year ago, many many things have changed
since
Thank you for the suggestion. We'll put it in our toolbox and see if it
helps!
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Alright, new data. It happened to crash about 10 minutes after I came in
this morning and I ran some stuff in the DDB. I have no idea what
information is useful, but perhaps someone will see something out of the
ordinary?
http://feld.me/freebsd/esx_crash/
Thanks...
Hi,
* have you filed a PR?
* is the crash easily reproducable?
* are you able to boot some ramdisk-only FreeBSD-8.2 images (eg create
a ramdisk image using nanobsd?) and do some stress testing inside
that?
It sounds like you've established it's a storage issue, or at least
interrupt
On Thursday 29 March 2012 15:42:42 Joe Greco wrote:
Hi,
Do both 32- and 64-bit versions of FreeBSD crash?
--HPS
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On 3/28/2012 1:59 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested
As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically
it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result without testing a newer
version. 8.2 came out over a year ago, many many things have
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:58:16 -0500, Hans Petter Selasky hsela...@c2i.net
wrote:
Do both 32- and 64-bit versions of FreeBSD crash?
Correct, we see both i386 and amd64 flavors crash in the same way.
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At 16:03 29/03/2012, you wrote:
Alright, new data. It happened to crash about 10 minutes after I came in
this morning and I ran some stuff in the DDB. I have no idea what
information is useful, but perhaps someone will see something out of the
ordinary?
http://feld.me/freebsd/esx_crash/
On Thursday 29 March 2012 15:42:42 Joe Greco wrote:
Hi,
Do both 32- and 64-bit versions of FreeBSD crash?
We've only seen it happen on one virtual machine. That was a 32-bit
version. And it's not so much a crash as it is a disk I/O hang.
The fact that it was happening regularly to that
On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:49:30 Joe Greco wrote:
On Thursday 29 March 2012 15:42:42 Joe Greco wrote:
Hi,
Do both 32- and 64-bit versions of FreeBSD crash?
We've only seen it happen on one virtual machine. That was a 32-bit
version. And it's not so much a crash as it is a disk
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:31:24 -0500, Eduardo Morras nec...@retena.com
wrote:
Don't know about ESXi but on others VM Managers i can change the chipset
emulation from ICH10 to ICH4. Can you change it to an older chipset too?
Unfortunately there's no setting in the GUI for that but I'll keep
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:55:36 -0500, Hans Petter Selasky hsela...@c2i.net
wrote:
It almost sounds like the lost interrupt issue I've seen with USB EHCI
devices, though disk I/O should have a retry timeout?
What does wmstat -i output?
--HPS
Here's a server that has a week uptime and is due
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:49:30 -0500, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote:
I explained it at the time to one of my VMware friends:
This is 100% identical to what we see, Joe! And we're so unlucky that we
have this happen on probably a dozen servers, but a handful are the really
bad ones.
This sounds just like a race condition that happens under Windows 7 on
this laptop. The race condition, as far as I can tell involves heavy
disk access and heavy network access, and usually leaves the drive light
on, while all activity monitors (alldisk, allcpu, allnetwork) are still
active,
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:55:36 -0500, Hans Petter Selasky hsela...@c2i.net
wrote:
It almost sounds like the lost interrupt issue I've seen with USB EHCI
devices, though disk I/O should have a retry timeout?
What does wmstat
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Hash: SHA1
On 03/29/2012 07:03, Mark Felder wrote:
Alright, new data. It happened to crash about 10 minutes after I
came in this morning and I ran some stuff in the DDB. I have no
idea what information is useful, but perhaps someone will see
something out of
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:43:45 -0500
Jim Bryant articulated:
Mark Felder wrote:
Alright guys, I'm at the end of my rope here. For those that
haven't seen my previous emails here's the (not so) quick breakdown:
Overview:
FreeBSD ?? - 7.4 never crash
FreeBSD 8.0 - 8.2 crashes
FreeBSD
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:05:30 -0500, Mark Atkinson atkin...@gmail.com
wrote:
If this is an interrupt problem with disk i/o, then you might want to
look into (DDB(4))
show intr
show intrcount
maybe
show allrman
Thank you! I really don't know what things we should be running in DDB to
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:24:30 -0500, je...@seibercom.net wrote:
I just started reading this tread, but I am wondering if I missed
something here. What does this have to do with Windows 7?
I emailed him off-list but I'm guessing he thought this was on VMWare
Workstation or another product
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:53:02 -0500, Alan Cox alan.l@gmail.com wrote:
Not so long ago, VMware implemented a clever scheme for reducing the
overhead of virtualized interrupts that must be delivered by at least
some
(if not all) of their emulated storage controllers:
On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:49:30 Joe Greco wrote:
On Thursday 29 March 2012 15:42:42 Joe Greco wrote:
Hi,
Do both 32- and 64-bit versions of FreeBSD crash?
We've only seen it happen on one virtual machine. That was a 32-bit
version. And it's not so much a crash as it is
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote:
If we assume mpt is the culprit
Doesn't VMWare offer different types of emulated disk controllers? If so,
that might be the easiest way to narrow the field. Another thing maybe to
try would be to backport the mpt
Also, it's
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:53:52 -0500, Adam Vande More
amvandem...@gmail.com wrote:
Doesn't VMWare offer different types of emulated disk controllers? If
so,
that might be the easiest way to narrow the field. Another thing maybe
to
try would be to backport the mpt
Yes, they offer
On 3/29/2012 7:01 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
On 3/28/2012 1:59 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested
As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically
it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result without testing a newer
version. 8.2 came out
And then there is this one with similar symptoms and a workaround:
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D27899
I'm now investigating those loader.conf options. I have my crashy machine
set to use them on next boot so we'll see if it crashes now that I'm using
LSI SAS emulated
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:27:31 -0500, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote:
It also doesn't explain the experience here, where one VM basically
crapped out but only after a migration - and then stayed crapped out.
It would be interesting to hear about your datastore, how busy it is,
what technology,
On 28/03/2012 22:59, Mark Felder wrote:
Alright guys, I'm at the end of my rope here. For those that haven't
seen my previous emails here's the (not so) quick breakdown:
Overview:
FreeBSD ?? - 7.4 never crash
FreeBSD 8.0 - 8.2 crashes
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested (Sorry, not
Again, it's starting to sound like an interrupt handling issue which
may or may not be limited to the storage device.
You'll have to engage someone who knows those device drivers and
likely have them add some debugging to the driver which can be easily
flipped on (via binaries in a ramdisk - very
Alright guys, I'm at the end of my rope here. For those that haven't seen
my previous emails here's the (not so) quick breakdown:
Overview:
FreeBSD ?? - 7.4 never crash
FreeBSD 8.0 - 8.2 crashes
FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested (Sorry, not possible in our
production at this time,
Hi,
* have you filed a PR?
* is the crash easily reproducable?
* are you able to boot some ramdisk-only FreeBSD-8.2 images (eg create
a ramdisk image using nanobsd?) and do some stress testing inside
that?
It sounds like you've established it's a storage issue, or at least
interrupt handling for
site, for that matter), I always get Hostname lookup failure. BTW, I
don't have an /etc/resolv.conf. I only configured ppp.conf (please see
below for details). Can someone please help me set up the modem so
that I can dial out and connect to the internet from my FreeBSD box ?
Thanks
'ppp -auto
pmdemand' followed by 'ping [1]www.google.com' (or yahoo or any other
site, for that matter), I always get Hostname lookup failure. BTW, I
don't have an /etc/resolv.conf. I only configured ppp.conf (please see
below for details). Can someone please help me set up the modem
Hostname lookup failure. BTW, I
don't have an /etc/resolv.conf. I only configured ppp.conf (please see
below for details). Can someone please help me set up the modem so
that I can dial out and connect to the internet from my FreeBSD box ?
Thanks in advance.
Manish Jain
This is my
), I always get Hostname lookup failure. BTW, I
don't have an /etc/resolv.conf. I only configured ppp.conf (please see
below for details). Can someone please help me set up the modem so
that I can dial out and connect to the internet from my FreeBSD box ?
Thanks in advance.
Manish Jain
Make use of google.
You need to create wlanX first.
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Thanks,
Xihong
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drm0: Intel i915GM on vgapci0
vgapci0: child drm0 requested pci_enable_busmaster
info: [drm] AGP at 0xc000 256MB
info: [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20080730
drm0: [ITHREAD]
drm0: [ITHREAD]
Please help!
Thanks,
Xihong
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hi,
yesterday i have modify squid.conf file.i have use vi editior.but i
cannot delete in text message. following error ^? appear.How to do it?.
please help me.
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 01:10:48PM +0630, komyo gyi wrote:
hi,
yesterday i have modify squid.conf file.i have use vi editior.but i
cannot delete in text message. following error ^? appear.How to do it?.
please help me.
Looks like you're hitting the Delete key. That's not a valid vi
Hello!
Here's my working rc.conf:
wlans_ral0=wlan0
create_args_wlan0=wlanmode hostap mode 11g
ifconfig_wlan0=inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xff00 ssid btest channel
11
or you can do it by hand:
# ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ral0 wlanmode hostap
# ifconfig wlan0 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask
Hello, I recently upgraded from bsd 6.4 to bsd 8.0 release ( new install ) and
I am having issues getting my wifi to work. Before the upgrade it worked
perfectly in 6.4.
I am a bit confused as I have read different things about this. The handbook
Dan Nelson wrote:
Junior Hacker Project: add an instantaneous-CPU value (calculated by
subtracting successive ki_runtime values) to the list of things top
calculates and toggle it and weighted-CPU when pressing C. The toggling
code is already there; it just toggles between two different
2009/11/3 Chris Stankevitz cstankev...@toyon.com:
Dan Nelson wrote:
Junior Hacker Project: add an instantaneous-CPU value (calculated by
subtracting successive ki_runtime values) to the list of things top
calculates and toggle it and weighted-CPU when pressing C. The toggling
code is
Hello,
I recently performed a CPU intensive task with Xorg. When I completed the task
and Xorg no longer was using the CPU, I got this result from top:
===
last pid: 1201; load averages: 0.24, 0.10, 0.09up 0+00:29:42
63 processes: 1 running, 62 sleeping
CPU: 1.0% user, 0.0% nice,
In the last episode (Nov 02), Chris Stankevitz said:
I recently performed a CPU intensive task with Xorg. When I completed the
task and Xorg no longer was using the CPU, I got this result from top:
===
last pid: 1201; load averages: 0.24, 0.10, 0.09up 0+00:29:42
63 processes: 1
Hello friends! I want to ask you for help in winning ipod nano, if you register
on biggest social network here: http://vkontakte.ru/reg632660 i'm can win :)
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how to do that in freebsd , i will
show you 1 screenshot as well , here is screenshot (
http://i36.tinypic.com/wuoro6.png ) , you can have a look on that as well ,
please help me if you can , like this i am going to buy may be 20 freebsd for
that , i want to know how can i set all
Am Mittwoch, den 19.08.2009, 07:59 + schrieb
freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:45:27PM -0400, Karl Vogel wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700,
Walt Pawley w...@wump.org said:
W As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:22:11 +0200, Heiner Strauß heiner...@yahoo.de wrote:
Didn't need lower case at this time. REAL PROGRAMMERS USED FORTRAN
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html
When you're there, don't miss The story about Mel. By the
way... we have a Mel on our mailing
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700 Walt Pawley w...@wump.org
At 4:44 PM +0200 8/17/09, Heiner Strauß wrote:
[..]
Putting the symbol names in one word helped the linker / loader a lot.
Live was so easy.
Heiner
C(one word = 32 bit) .NOT. (some word processor software)
As
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700,
Walt Pawley w...@wump.org said:
W As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less
W a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10
W design used 36-bit words and packed six characters (clearly from a
W limited
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:45:27PM -0400, Karl Vogel wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700,
Walt Pawley w...@wump.org said:
W As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less
W a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10
W design used
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:28:01 -0700, George Davidovich free...@optimis.net
wrote:
Sorry, but while I agree the MICROS~1 pejorative can be a bit juvenile
and uncalled for, your assertion that 8.3 filenames are a thing of the
past is incorrect.
Furthermore, I think it wasn't a gain of comfort
Hi,
On 17 August 2009 pm 16:25:29 Polytropon wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:28:01 -0700, George Davidovich
free...@optimis.net wrote:
Sorry, but while I agree the MICROS~1 pejorative can be a bit
juvenile and uncalled for, your assertion that 8.3 filenames
are a thing of the past is
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to
be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-)
The 6 letters limit was actually a restriction of earlier linkers and
it affected all identifiers of linkable objects like
Hi,
On 17 August 2009 pm 18:09:06 cpghost wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to
be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-)
The 6 letters limit was actually a restriction of earlier
linkers and
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 06:18:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
On 17 August 2009 pm 18:09:06 cpghost wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to
be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-)
The 6
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 06:18:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
On 17 August 2009 pm 18:09:06 cpghost wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to
be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-)
At 4:44 PM +0200 8/17/09, Heiner Strauß wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 06:18:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
On 17 August 2009 pm 18:09:06 cpghost wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to
be
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