Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-18 Thread Nick Barnes
At 2005-07-15 19:35:55+, Chuck Swiger writes: As someone else suggested, you can also stick things like config files into version control (like CVS, subversion, etc), and then back that up via the mechanism above. We do this; all our system config files (except /etc/passwd) are in

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-18 Thread Nick Barnes
At 2005-07-15 23:58:27+, Alex Zbyslaw writes: Nick Barnes wrote: Here are my previous questions on the related subject, some 4 years ago now: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=872461+0+archive/2001/freebsd-questions/20010617.freebsd-questions Shame no-one answered

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-18 Thread Mark Bucciarelli
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 03:35:55PM -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote: As someone else suggested, you can also stick things like config files into version control (like CVS, subversion, etc), and then back that up via the mechanism above. Be careful about CVS and symbolic links. They don't mix.

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-17 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/15/05, Nick Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [deleted] 2. taking backups offsite. Seems to me that the best route is a number of external firewire hard disks. This machine doesn't have motherboard firewire, so I'll need to get a PCI firewire board. * Computer (in a headless

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread David Kelly
On Jul 15, 2005, at 7:21 AM, Nick Barnes wrote: 1. RAID mirror filesystem questions: 1a: should this be vinum? I have read and can follow the handbook instructions for a vinum root filesystem. In my opinion its a fine thing that the root boot filesystem can be vinum. However its just

RE: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Norbert Koch
1. RAID mirror filesystem questions: 1a: should this be vinum? I have read and can follow the handbook instructions for a vinum root filesystem. 1b: Will it help to upgrade to 5.x, to get this to go smoothly? I'd suggest to buy an ata raid controller, as hardware should be more

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Helge Preuss
[...] So I'm thinking I probably want to move to a RAID mirror filesystem, and keep some sort of quality backups offsite. 1. RAID mirror filesystem questions: 1a: should this be vinum? I have read and can follow the handbook instructions for a vinum root filesystem. 1b: Will it help to

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Chuck Swiger
Nick Barnes wrote: [ ... ] I don't want to have to do all that ever again, after this iteration. You've had a learning experience, I see. :-) So I'm thinking I probably want to move to a RAID mirror filesystem, and keep some sort of quality backups offsite. 1. RAID mirror filesystem

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Chuck Swiger wrote: Nick Barnes wrote: [ ... ] 3c: Opinions on using firewire hard disks for this at all? Would I be better off writing DVDs? Hard drives provide near-online backup, but only a single full iteration. You can do incrementals to DVD or CD-RW or tape, and keep many

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Jul 15, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: 3c: Opinions on using firewire hard disks for this at all? Would I be better off writing DVDs? Hard drives provide near-online backup, but only a single full iteration. You can do incrementals to DVD or CD-RW or tape, and keep

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread lars
- /usr/ports/sysutils/smartmontools can help you monitor your HDDs - RAID 0 doubles the chances of HDD failure and thereby data loss - DVDs and CDs are chronically unreliable, see the 14/2005 issue of the German c't magazine where they tested CD/DVD burners and

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Chuck Swiger
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 15, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: [ ... ] Hard drives provide near-online backup, but only a single full iteration. You can do incrementals to DVD or CD-RW or tape, and keep many iterations handy, which is far more reliable. If you use

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Jul 15, 2005, at 1:15 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 15, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote: [ ... ] Hard drives provide near-online backup, but only a single full iteration. You can do incrementals to DVD or CD-RW or tape, and keep many

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Chuck Swiger
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 15, 2005, at 1:15 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: [ ... ] Sure. But a single spare HD is a single point of failure. Having one tape per week or per month going back 10 or 100 tapes gives much more redundancy Better yet -- using dump, backup to HD

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread lars
Chuck Swiger wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 15, 2005, at 1:15 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: [ ... ] Sure. But a single spare HD is a single point of failure. Having one tape per week or per month going back 10 or 100 tapes gives much more redundancy Better yet --

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Chuck Swiger
Stephen Hilton wrote: Chuck Swiger wrote: [ ... ] Sure. But a single spare HD is a single point of failure. Having one tape per week or per month going back 10 or 100 tapes gives much more redundancy But were the tapes all generated by the same tape-drive? if so it is once again a

identifying filesystem blocks (was Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine)

2005-07-15 Thread Nick Barnes
At 2005-07-15 17:01:18+, Chuck Swiger writes: Nick Barnes wrote: [ ... ] I don't want to have to do all that ever again, after this iteration. You've had a learning experience, I see. :-) Yeah, and I've had them before, and this time enough is enough. On a related subject, the last

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Nick Barnes
At 2005-07-15 17:01:18+, Chuck Swiger writes: Nick Barnes wrote: [ ... ] I don't want to have to do all that ever again, after this iteration. You've had a learning experience, I see. :-) Here are my previous questions on the related subject, some 4 years ago now:

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
lars wrote: -/usr/ports/sysutils/smartmontools can help you monitor your HDDs But if your disk is a hardware RAID of any kind, and you cannot see through the controller to individual disks, then you'll only be told about one of the disks, I would presume. That's where a CLI comes

Re: better disk reliability on a desktop machine

2005-07-15 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Nick Barnes wrote: Here are my previous questions on the related subject, some 4 years ago now: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=872461+0+archive/2001/freebsd-questions/20010617.freebsd-questions Shame no-one answered your badsect question. Did you ever figure it out? --Alex