Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 03:56:39PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > And that's just the way it is now. Try replicating the wealth of > > information you get in various config files in FreeBSD in a GUI. Just > > how hard it is to open a simple text file in an editor and just fracking > > do what it

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM, David Jackson wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Da Rock >> wrote: >> > On 01/03/12 12:06, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wro

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

> And that's just the way it is now. Try replicating the wealth of > information you get in various config files in FreeBSD in a GUI. Just > how hard it is to open a simple text file in an editor and just fracking > do what it tells you to in comments?! And it's not just the base > system, any d

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Da Rock > wrote: > > On 01/03/12 12:06, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > >>> > >>> Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 01/05/12 08:39, Jerry wrote: I have noticed that somehow you have managed to piss off at least two other posters in the past 48 hours. In every case, you claim to have been basically misunderstood. I wonder, could a pattern be emerging? And you, Jerry, have successfully managed to piss off a

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 01/05/12 08:25, Michael Ross wrote: Am 04.01.2012, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Mario Lobo : On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.im

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 01/05/12 06:47, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif LOL ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:47:44 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:16:15PM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > > > Why the heck did you ask for it, then? > > > > Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 201

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Am 04.01.2012, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Mario Lobo : On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jan 4 11:39:20 2012 > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:34:52 -0500 > From: Jerry > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > Y

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, > > How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet > > http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif > -- > Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) Yes! humor. I think "ope

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:16:15PM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > Why the heck did you ask for it, then? > > Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 > -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. > > Why the heck did you ask for it, then? Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like "Som

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:47:52PM -0800, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, Note that there are more than one persons using the name Jerry. Where I might dip in to an argument a bit, especially if I see humor in it, I never flam

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:17:55AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > > > He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_ > > morally correct..."HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS* > > morally correct..." > > >

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:34:52PM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in > > favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: > > > > HE asked that they explain "why it *

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:02:23PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > Confuse and annoy people? Oh boy, confuse and annoy mature > people is not so easy. Flame wars? I am not an adolescent, I > have real problems in my life. Don't be stupid. On that ironic note, I will cease trying t

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in > favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: > > HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..." > > The point he was making is no less pres

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:50:45AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> > > On Tue, Jan 03, 20

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:50:45AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > > > Quoth Chad Perrin on

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:17:55AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > > > He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_ > > morally correct..."HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS* > > morally correct..." > > > W

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > > > > > > > > So . . . please start with

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > > > > > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider > > > your audience, and use words accord

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > Jerry wrote: > > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a > > > > Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" > > > > etcetera are freely thrown

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:59:54PM -0600, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 > > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > > > Now you have really peaked > > Piqued. Although it is misused here. Google it. Why does it looke like you are attributing "peaked" to me, here? I

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > > > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider > > your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term > > differently than how it is unders

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Jerry, FreeBSD Questions isn't the place to argue about how all OSes should use a universal API, and how Ubuntu is doing such a good job. In an ideal world, everyone would speak the same language, use the same currency, and have identical power outlets. Unfortunately, the last time I checked, we

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Jerry wrote: > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a > > > Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" > > > etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms > > > like: "Winblows", "Microsucks", etceter

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

><>><>><>><>><>><>><> <><<><<><<><<><<><<>< On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > Now you have really peaked Piqued.

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a > > Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" > > etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms > > like: "Winblows", "Microsucks",

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:12:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > > > things, and should be warned that

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 11:14:01AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:12:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > > > things, and should b

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:12:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under > > the hood" in

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 03:06:11AM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. In its > > zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems > > hell-bent on i

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Polytropon wrote: > Maybe consider the chance that a FreeBSD OS can be > turned into closed source (which the license explicitely > allows) and put into some embedded device, a router, > a DSL modem, a managed switch... In parts like this, > you won't recognize FreeBSD anymore. If you consider > s

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:14:52 -0600, Polytropon wrote: Maybe consider the chance that a FreeBSD OS can be turned into closed source (which the license explicitely allows) and put into some embedded device, a router, a DSL modem, a managed switch... In parts like this, you won't recognize FreeBSD

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:01:47 -0600, Mark Felder wrote: >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >> > I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour >> > software, why does it run half the Internet? >> >>

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:01:47 -0600, Mark Felder wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour > > software, why does it run half the Internet? > > This must be a mistake. I was just assured this weekend t

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:01:47AM -0600, Mark Felder wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > >I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour > >software, why does it run half the Internet? > > This must be a mistake. I was just assured this wee

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass wrote: I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour software, why does it run half the Internet? This must be a mistake. I was just assured this weekend that FreeBSD is a niche OS. _

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Da Rock wrote: > On 01/03/12 12:06, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >>> >>> Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater.  In its >>> zeal to make things "just work" in a particular

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 01/03/12 22:12, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under the hood" in order to get what they want. The ho

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under > the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start > immediately, it doesn't nece

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 01/03/12 12:06, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. In its zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems hell-bent on ignoring all but one way to do thin

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. In its > zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems > hell-bent on ignoring all but one way to do things, even as it tries to > dominate its entire mar

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Monday 02 January 2012 18:42:44 Nikola Pavlović wrote: > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 03:32:17PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: [troll snipper] > > . perhaps could be a porting of the IOKit > > driver system from Darwin, perhaps even allowing Darwin drivers to be > > used on FreeBSD. All of this c

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 02:59:20PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > >> > > FreeBSD is very well documented! > > I guess a lot of people can't cope with how structured and professional it > > is. They are used to chaos, fear, uncertainty and doubt and feel > > comfortable that way. > > > > > My expe

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 03:32:17PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > An OS should strive to be a better platform for many people, including > techies and non-techies. > > A good software design philosophy is that good software works out of the > box without configuration using reasonable defaults, bu

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 08:31:14AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parou

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Jerry, What you're saying is that, 'you guys think that FreeBSD is a great desktop workstation, but it's not and anyone who says it is, is wrong. Anyone who says FreeBSD's not a great workstation because it doesn't have some particular feature is right and any discussion which questions the value

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 01/02/12 23:31, Jerry wrote: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and others (even in the linux co

Re: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and > > > others (even in the linux community) over

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 11:55:26PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and others > > > (even in the linux community) ov

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and others > > (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats 5) years. > > I am not sure what "parouse" m

Re: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > On 01/01/12 21:42, Jerry wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:03:38 +1000 > > Da Rock articulated: > > > >> Mac doesn't support all hardware from what I understand, and the > >> only system with 100% hardware support is Winblows. Given the > >

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 01/01/12 21:42, Jerry wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:03:38 +1000 Da Rock articulated: Mac doesn't support all hardware from what I understand, and the only system with 100% hardware support is Winblows. Given the design philosophy of Winblows, how well written do you think the hardware driver

Re: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Ladies and gentleman, I will be unplugged from my email until the 17th of January. In the mean time here's a video of a bunny opening your mail http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMyaRmTwdKs Your mail will not be forwarded and I will contact you when I come back, alternatively you can contact one

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:03:38 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > Mac doesn't support all hardware from what I understand, and the only > system with 100% hardware support is Winblows. Given the design > philosophy of Winblows, how well written do you think the hardware > drivers are coded? For that ma

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 01/01/12 06:32, David Jackson wrote: An OS should strive to be a better platform for many people, including techies and non-techies. A good software design philosophy is that good software works out of the box without configuration using reasonable defaults, but, that that the software shoul

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

An OS should strive to be a better platform for many people, including techies and non-techies. A good software design philosophy is that good software works out of the box without configuration using reasonable defaults, but, that that the software should be flexible, very configurable, the user

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Bas Smeelen wrote: > On 12/31/2011 01:02 PM, Joe Gain wrote: > >> Writers who rely on ideological positions such as (socialism || fascism || >> jedi-knight == good | bad) really need to go visit a social science >> mailing >> list. It's not like political/ religio

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 12/31/2011 01:02 PM, Joe Gain wrote: Writers who rely on ideological positions such as (socialism || fascism || jedi-knight == good | bad) really need to go visit a social science mailing list. It's not like political/ religious mailing lists don't exist. My positivist take on things: 1. Nob

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

Writers who rely on ideological positions such as (socialism || fascism || jedi-knight == good | bad) really need to go visit a social science mailing list. It's not like political/ religious mailing lists don't exist. My positivist take on things: 1. Nobody is stopping anybody from changing thei

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

David Jackson wrte: > Robert Bonomi wrote: > > David Jackson wrte: > > > ... > > > > > > However, My finding is that due to poor documentation, ... [ sneck remaineder of ill-informed trolling ] > > Start with "The Design and Implementation of the BSD 4.4.4 Operating > > System" > > by McKusic

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:56:59 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > > > Again, as we did discuss (and agree upon) before, > > supporting FreeBSD is not in the scope of hardware > > manufacturers. Supporting more than the platform > > they get "aliments" for simply wouldn't pay. The > > unit sales for _thi

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

> > Again, as we did discuss (and agree upon) before, > supporting FreeBSD is not in the scope of hardware > manufacturers. Supporting more than the platform > they get "aliments" for simply wouldn't pay. The > unit sales for _this_ world of IT are simply to > low to justify the work. > > That is t

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:22:31 -0500, David Jackson wrote: Of course, those best able to document are those who wrote it in the first place, since they already know how it works. A fact seems to be: "Modern" programmers don't bother with documenting, or co

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:22:31 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > Of course, those best able to document are those who wrote it in > the first place, since they already know how it works. A fact seems to be: "Modern" programmers don't bother with documenting, or coding guidelines, or style or other thing

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:59:14 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:22:30 +0100 > Polytropon articulated: > > > >From "man iwn": > > > > Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965/1000/5000/5150/5300/6000/6050 > > IEEE 802.11n driver > > So they actually got support for one such device. I ref

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 12/30/11 09:59, Jerry wrote: > If FreeBSD really wanted to make a quality product they would hire > competent programmers to create the drivers, etcetera that are seriously > needed. They do. See this for a list of FreeBSD Foundation funded projects that have been completed: http://freebs

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Dec 29 21:46:36 2011 > > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:43:16 -0500 > > From: David Jackson > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation > > > > I have h

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:22:30 +0100 Polytropon articulated: > >From "man iwn": > > Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965/1000/5000/5150/5300/6000/6050 > IEEE 802.11n driver So they actually got support for one such device. I refer you to

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 12/30/11 23:05, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:35:46 +1000 Da Rock articulated: Was this really necessary to post to the list? Publicly? Opinions are your own, but this does appear rather vindictive and not really wanted on a friendly list. For reference Polytropon has been rather help

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:05:10 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:35:46 +1000 > Da Rock articulated: > > > Was this really necessary to post to the list? Publicly? Opinions are > > your own, but this does appear rather vindictive and not really > > wanted on a friendly list. > > > > For

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:35:46 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > Was this really necessary to post to the list? Publicly? Opinions are > your own, but this does appear rather vindictive and not really > wanted on a friendly list. > > For reference Polytropon has been rather helpful many times on this >

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:15:00 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:39:58 +0100 > Polytropon articulated: > > > However, there are differences in how you judge documentation > > to be _good_. Talk to a mainframer, and he will tell you a > > different story. Then talk to a "Windows" person an

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 12/30/11 22:11, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 30/12/2011 11:52, Da Rock wrote: I haven't looked, but it would be good to have some irc channels handled by the team though. http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels Ha! There you go... I've only just been finding out about the value of irc in the recent

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 12/30/11 22:15, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:39:58 +0100 Polytropon articulated: However, there are differences in how you judge documentation to be _good_. Talk to a mainframer, and he will tell you a different story. Then talk to a "Windows" person and explain what documentation is,

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:39:58 +0100 Polytropon articulated: > However, there are differences in how you judge documentation > to be _good_. Talk to a mainframer, and he will tell you a > different story. Then talk to a "Windows" person and explain > what documentation is, and he'll tell you that yo

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 30/12/2011 11:52, Da Rock wrote: > I haven't looked, but it would be good to have some irc channels handled > by the team though. http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On 12/30/11 16:39, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:43:16 -0500, David Jackson wrote: However, My finding is that due to poor documentation, [...] That kind of statement doesn't fit well to FreeBSD which is known for its excellent documentation, often considered superior to other open s

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:43:16 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > However, My finding is that due to poor documentation, [...] That kind of statement doesn't fit well to FreeBSD which is known for its excellent documentation, often considered superior to other open source projects. > [...] the FreeBSD

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Dec 29 21:46:36 2011 > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:43:16 -0500 > From: David Jackson > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation > > I have had an interest in studying the FreeBSD kernel and getting to know > i