Re: i386 vs. amd64

2012-12-18 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 12/18/12 00:13, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, wasn't the same question here a few days ago? On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:16:36 -0500 Aryeh Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: Ever since 8.X (my system is now 9.1-RC3 [done via csup]) been using i386 with the following main ports: Let me

i386 vs. amd64

2012-12-17 Thread Aryeh Friedman
Ever since 8.X (my system is now 9.1-RC3 [done via csup]) been using i386 with the following main ports: x11-wm/xfce4 www/firefox www/linux-f10-flashplugin11 editors/libreoffice www/tomcat-7 www/apace22 devel/aegis (I am the maintainer) devel/fhist devel/cook java/openjdk6

Re: i386 vs. amd64

2012-12-17 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, wasn't the same question here a few days ago? On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:16:36 -0500 Aryeh Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: Ever since 8.X (my system is now 9.1-RC3 [done via csup]) been using i386 with the following main ports: x11-wm/xfce4 yes. www/firefox Yes.

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-30 Thread Jakub Lach
The problem is, it gets recreated upon updating from source. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/i386-vs-amd64-tp5765012p5765488.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-30 Thread Jakub Lach
Even that I was aware of that, I've just lost track of it. Thanks for simple solution. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/i386-vs-amd64-tp5765012p5765489.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-30 Thread Thomas Mueller
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: i386 will not see anything above 4 GB Actually you *can* give access to 4Gb RAM for your system: PAE allows you to use 36 bits instead of 32 to address your memory (and supported till Pentium Pro) but that is only

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-30 Thread Ilya Kazakevich
How does the system know what is OS and what is 32-bit apps? OS works in kernel space while application is not. PAE affects paging system allowing software to address 2^36 bytes of memory. You can access it in kernel space, but user space applications are limited to 2^32 bytes of virtual memory

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-30 Thread Andrea Venturoli
On 11/30/12 15:40, Thomas Mueller wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: i386 will not see anything above 4 GB Actually you *can* give access to 4Gb RAM for your system: PAE allows you to use 36 bits instead of 32 to address your memory (and

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-29 Thread Bill Tillman
From: Fleuriot Damien m...@my.gd To: birdf...@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: i386 vs amd64 On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:36 PM, mike miskulin birdf...@yahoo.com wrote: About to build

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-29 Thread Jakub Lach
If it was from me, my system is without 32bit compat whatsoever, and this is not default setting on amd64. Maybe on def. amd64 there are no problems, I don't know, nobody replied to my thread. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/i386-vs-amd64

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-29 Thread Ilya Kazakevich
Hello, On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: i386 will not see anything above 4 GB Actually you *can* give access to 4Gb RAM for your system: PAE allows you to use 36 bits instead of 32 to address your memory (and supported till Pentium Pro) but that is

i386 vs amd64

2012-11-28 Thread mike miskulin
About to build a replacement system for an older i386 setup. A few years ago I had tried the amd64 port on it and found it was frustrating as things that just worked on i386 did not on amd64. IIRC ports were large annoyance too. Now I have a new system with 8GB, etc,etc and wonder if I am best

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-28 Thread Fleuriot Damien
On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:36 PM, mike miskulin birdf...@yahoo.com wrote: About to build a replacement system for an older i386 setup. A few years ago I had tried the amd64 port on it and found it was frustrating as things that just worked on i386 did not on amd64. IIRC ports were large

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-28 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, mike miskulin wrote: About to build a replacement system for an older i386 setup. A few years ago I had tried the amd64 port on it and found it was frustrating as things that just worked on i386 did not on amd64. IIRC ports were large annoyance too. Now I have a new

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-28 Thread mike miskulin
What port was that ? I've never had a *single* problem due to using amd64 over i386. Well I have to apologize, I've reached senility! My past bad experience was with netbsd amd64 afterwhich I bailed and went to FreeBSD i386 (thanks google). But I guess the basic question remains - are

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-28 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:53:26 -0500, mike miskulin wrote: But I guess the basic question remains - are there any considerations in regards ports, linux emulation, etc that would sway me to remain i386? The only problem might be if you want to use wine. As it has been said, there are binary

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-28 Thread Andrea Venturoli
On 11/28/12 18:49, Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, mike miskulin wrote: About to build a replacement system for an older i386 setup. A few years ago I had tried the amd64 port on it and found it was frustrating as things that just worked on i386 did not on amd64. IIRC ports were

Re: i386 vs amd64

2012-11-28 Thread Rod Person
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:25:59 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:53:26 -0500, mike miskulin wrote: But I guess the basic question remains - are there any considerations in regards ports, linux emulation, etc that would sway me to remain i386? The only problem

[fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread spellberg_robert
howdy, y'all --- these may be stupid questions and, if so, i am prepared to slap my forehead with the palm of my hand. i recently acquired my first batch of intel cpus with 64_bit integer registers [ celeron 440 ], specifically for the 16 registers and the potential for a truly_gargantuan

Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread David Brodbeck
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, spellberg_robert email...@emailrob.com wrote:  q:    if i install an amd64 version on an intel_64 platform,          am i restricted to 16 64_bit registers and 48_bit pointers or          can i compile for both cpu_models          [ perhaps, with nothing more

Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread spellberg_robert
hmmm ..., you did not answer the question that i asked. per your statement, on i386, amd64 or both ? David Brodbeck wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, spellberg_robert email...@emailrob.com wrote: q:if i install an amd64 version on an intel_64 platform, am i restricted to

Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread David Brodbeck
On a 64-bit system, if you build a binary with the -m32 flag, it should run on both i386 and x86-64 systems. A binary built with -m64 will only run on x86-64. Does that help? On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:45 PM, spellberg_robert email...@emailrob.com wrote: hmmm ..., you did not answer the question

Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread Michael Powell
spellberg_robert wrote: [snip] consider a dvd_image [ to pick an approach ] of a release to be found on ftp.freebsd.org. q:if the release_name includes the string i386, am i restricted to 8 32_bit registers and 32_bit pointers, notwithstanding its installation

Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Oct 04), David Brodbeck said: On a 64-bit system, if you build a binary with the -m32 flag, it should run on both i386 and x86-64 systems. A binary built with -m64 will only run on x86-64. Does that help? Actually, -m32 on amd64 won't generate usable binaries, since

Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread spellberg_robert
aha ! this relates to what i found in machine/types.h, on my existing i386 version of freebsd on my intel_64 hardware platform. i will look into the questions archive. meanwhile, back at the ranch, does this mean that i need the amd64 version of freebsd to get the right headers ? Dan

Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread spellberg_robert
well, i looked at questions back to the beginning of august. on aug_09 i found a thread that suggests the following questions. for a given release of freebsd, q:is it that the version labeled i386 contains only 32_bit headers and source, which creates the 32_bit version of

Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64

2010-10-04 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Oct 05), spellberg_robert said: well, i looked at questions back to the beginning of august. on aug_09 i found a thread that suggests the following questions. You might want to just use i386 and amd64 instead of making up your own terminology (i_386, intel_64, amd_64,