Re: Interactive Port

[Frank Shute]

On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 01:11:46AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:54:28 +0100, Frank Shute  wrote:
> > For printing from mutt, I use the following in ~/.muttrc
> > 
> > set print_command="a2ps -1 > ~/mail.ps; gv ~/mail.ps"
> > 
> > Obviously, that views the postcript file first & then I print from gv.
> 
> What about "lpr ~/mail.ps" instead of "gv ~/mail.ps"? This would
> actually send the output PS to the default printer queue, causing
> the message to be printed.
> 

I like to view it first. Make sure there are no orphaned/widowed
paragraphs etc.

If so, then I might cat it to plain ascii, edit it & then run it
through a2ps.

Works for me! Not often that I print email.


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Re: Interactive Port

[Rem P Roberti]

Brother!  Muttprint is now working fine.  The problem: the printer was
offline!  Now, before you go accusing me of being a complete dufus, let
me say that I had no way of knowing that that condition existed.  The
printer itself indicated that it was online---no problem.  What happened
is that somehow, and I'm not sure what caused this, the printer became
disengaged from its usb port.  Weird.  I noticed that this had happened
when I tried to print from another program without success.  The
only way that I could get it talking again to usb was by doing a reboot.


Rem
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Re: Interactive Port

[Rem P Roberti]

On 2010.09.01 01:11:46 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:54:28 +0100, Frank Shute  wrote:
> > For printing from mutt, I use the following in ~/.muttrc
> > 
> > set print_command="a2ps -1 > ~/mail.ps; gv ~/mail.ps"
> > 
> > Obviously, that views the postcript file first & then I print from gv.
> 
> What about "lpr ~/mail.ps" instead of "gv ~/mail.ps"? This would
> actually send the output PS to the default printer queue, causing
> the message to be printed.


Nothing is working, regardless of whether I try to print from Muttprint,
or with Frank's setup.  In either case I get this error message:

Press any key to continue...cannot remove path when cwd is
/tmp/muttprint-GOauzJ for /tmp/muttprint-GOauzJ:  at
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.10.1/File/Temp.pm line 902

I'm beginning to wonder if this doesn't have something to do with the
fact that my printer is installed via CUPS.  There may need to me a
special parameter set up in .muttprintrc.  But so far I haven't found
any info on it.

Rem

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Re: Interactive Port

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:54:28 +0100, Frank Shute  wrote:
> For printing from mutt, I use the following in ~/.muttrc
> 
> set print_command="a2ps -1 > ~/mail.ps; gv ~/mail.ps"
> 
> Obviously, that views the postcript file first & then I print from gv.

What about "lpr ~/mail.ps" instead of "gv ~/mail.ps"? This would
actually send the output PS to the default printer queue, causing
the message to be printed.



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Re: Interactive Port

[Frank Shute]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:39:35PM -0700, Rem P Roberti wrote:
>
> On 2010.08.31 12:34:21 -0700, Rem P Roberti wrote:
> > In attempting to install /usr/ports/print/dvips I got the error message
> > that dvips is an interactive port, and I can't remember how to handle
> > that. Could I please get a heads up there.  Thank you.
> >
> 
> OK...I commented out the 'batch' entry in make.conf.  Now I get this
> error message:
> 
> ===>  dvips-5.76 conflicts with installed package(s): 
>   teTeX-base-3.0_20
>   teTeX-texmf-3.0_6
> 
> The whole problem is that I am trying to get muttprint to work, and my
> understanding is that it is dependent on teTeX for its operation.  But
> when I tried to print I got an error message telling me that the print
> operation needs to see dvips.  So I'm not exactly sure what is going on
> here.
> 

teTeX comes with dvips IIRC, which is why you're getting the error.

For printing from mutt, I use the following in ~/.muttrc

set print_command="a2ps -1 > ~/mail.ps; gv ~/mail.ps"

Obviously, that views the postcript file first & then I print from gv.

gv & a2ps are in ports.


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Re: ACLs inheritance problem

[Polytropon]

Sorry for not being able to answer your question, but please
allow me to mention one thing - it's about correct terminology:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:09:10 -0400, Francis Dubé  
wrote:
> We have 3 web developpers creating files and folders in 
> our main "web" folder. We would like to setup ACLs allowing them to 
> modify each others file.
> [...]
> Now, when I create a subfolder or a file in the "web" folder, I would 
> expect them to have theses ACLs.
> [...]
> Where is that new mask coming from ? Shouldn't it be the same as the 
> default mask from it's parent directory ?

FreeBSD, as UNIX in general, has directories, not "folders". In the
last line quoted, you used the correct term. It's not that you also
called files "sheets of paper", and hard disks "drawers for putting
folders in" :-)

I know that I sound picky, but using proper terminology is important.
Please don't feel offended personally - I'm correcting nearly everyone
who talks about "folders" on this list.


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Re: Firebird 2.1.3

[Leonardo M . Ramé]

> LMR> Hi, does anyone successfully compiled Firebird
> 2.1.3+ on FreeBsd 7.2 or superior?.
> 
> LMR> I'm on 8.1 amd64 and can't compile it.
> on amd64 there some problems
> you can contact to ICQ:382796339
> 

Could you tell me what are those problems in amd64?

P.S.: better if we talk in this public mailing list, this way others can learn 
from us!.

Leonardo M. Ramé
http://leonardorame.blogspot.com




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ACLs inheritance problem

[Francis Dubé]

Hi list,

Here's my case. We have 3 web developpers creating files and folders in 
our main "web" folder. We would like to setup ACLs allowing them to 
modify each others file. So this is what I'm doing :


# mkdir web
#setfacl -d -m u::rwx,g::rwx,o::rx,g:web:rwx web
# setfacl -m u::rwx,g::rwx,o::rx,g:test1:rwx web
# getfacl -d web
   # file: web
   # owner: root
   # group: wheel
   user::rwx
   group::rwx
   group:web:rwx
   mask::rwx
   other::r-x
# getfacl web
   # file: web
   # owner: root
   # group: wheel
   user::rwx
   group::rwx
   group:web:rwx
   mask::rwx
   other::r-x

Now, when I create a subfolder or a file in the "web" folder, I would 
expect them to have theses ACLs.


# mkdir web/subfolder
# touch web/file
# getfacl web/file
   # file: web/file
   # owner: root
   # group: wheel
   user::rw-
   group::rwx  # effective: r--
   group:web:rwx # effective: r--
   mask::r--
   other::r--
# getfacl web/subfolder
   # file: web/subfolder
   # owner: root
   # group: wheel
   user::rwx
   group::rwx  # effective: r-x
   group:web:rwx # effective: r-x
   mask::r-x
   other::r-x

Where is that new mask coming from ? Shouldn't it be the same as the 
default mask from it's parent directory ? I need the new files to be 
writable by the "web" group by default, am I missing something ?


We are using FreeBSD 8.1 Released on AMD64.

Any pointer would be appreciated, thanks a lot.

Francis Dubé

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Re: Interactive Port

[Glen Barber]

On 8/31/10 3:39 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
> On 2010.08.31 12:34:21 -0700, Rem P Roberti wrote:
>> In attempting to install /usr/ports/print/dvips I got the error message
>> that dvips is an interactive port, and I can't remember how to handle
>> that. Could I please get a heads up there.  Thank you.
>>
> 
> OK...I commented out the 'batch' entry in make.conf.  Now I get this
> error message:
> 
> ===>  dvips-5.76 conflicts with installed package(s): 
>   teTeX-base-3.0_20
>   teTeX-texmf-3.0_6
> 
> The whole problem is that I am trying to get muttprint to work, and my
> understanding is that it is dependent on teTeX for its operation.  But
> when I tried to print I got an error message telling me that the print
> operation needs to see dvips.  So I'm not exactly sure what is going on
> here.

Looking at the Makefile for the port, all teTeX ports conflict with
dvips.  Deinstalling teTeX-* from your system will allow this port to
build/install; I'm not familiar enough with muttprint enough to be of
much more help with it though.

Cheers,

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Re: Interactive Port

[Glen Barber]

Hi Rem,

On 8/31/10 3:34 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
> In attempting to install /usr/ports/print/dvips I got the error message
> that dvips is an interactive port, and I can't remember how to handle
> that. Could I please get a heads up there.  Thank you.
> 

I suspect you have BATCH=yes in /etc/make.conf; if so, comment out that
line and run make(1) again.

Cheers,

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Re: Interactive Port

[Rem P Roberti]

On 2010.08.31 12:34:21 -0700, Rem P Roberti wrote:
> In attempting to install /usr/ports/print/dvips I got the error message
> that dvips is an interactive port, and I can't remember how to handle
> that. Could I please get a heads up there.  Thank you.
>

OK...I commented out the 'batch' entry in make.conf.  Now I get this
error message:

===>  dvips-5.76 conflicts with installed package(s): 
  teTeX-base-3.0_20
  teTeX-texmf-3.0_6

The whole problem is that I am trying to get muttprint to work, and my
understanding is that it is dependent on teTeX for its operation.  But
when I tried to print I got an error message telling me that the print
operation needs to see dvips.  So I'm not exactly sure what is going on
here.

Rem 
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Re: Interactive Port

[Lowell Gilbert]

Rem P Roberti  writes:

> In attempting to install /usr/ports/print/dvips I got the error message
> that dvips is an interactive port, and I can't remember how to handle
> that. Could I please get a heads up there.  Thank you.

Just install it without BATCH.
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Interactive Port

[Rem P Roberti]

In attempting to install /usr/ports/print/dvips I got the error message
that dvips is an interactive port, and I can't remember how to handle
that. Could I please get a heads up there.  Thank you.

Rem
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Mirror mounts not available on FreeBSD? (was: Re: NFSv4 shows all ZFS filesystems as being owned by root)

[David Brodbeck]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:52 AM, David Brodbeck  wrote:
> When a ZFS filesystem mountpoint is owned by someone other than root,
> this is not depicted properly on NFSv4 clients:

After playing around a bit more, it appears the problem is that ZFS
filesystems under an NFSv4 mountpoint are not auto-mounted by Linux
clients of a FreeBSD server the way they are when they're clients of
an OpenSolaris server; if I mount them manually, the ownership is
correct.  I think OpenSolaris calls this functionality "mirror
mounts."  Is there a way to get mirror mounts to work on FreeBSD, or
is it necessary to mount every sub-filesystem manually?

The intended application here is a server hosting user home
directories, where each user has their own ZFS filesystem.  Having to
list every user in /etc/fstab on every client is not really workable.
With an OpenSolaris server, I can have the Linux clients mount
/tank/home, and all the filesystems under /tank/home come along for
the ride; I'm trying to duplicate this with a FreeBSD server.
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NFSv4 shows all ZFS filesystems as being owned by root

[David Brodbeck]

When a ZFS filesystem mountpoint is owned by someone other than root,
this is not depicted properly on NFSv4 clients:

On the server (FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE):
temp-nfs# zfs create tank/test/testfs
temp-nfs# chown brodbd:brodbd /tank/test/testfs
temp-nfs# touch /tank/test/testfile
temp-nfs# chown brodbd:brodbd /tank/test/testfile
temp-nfs# ls -l /tank/test
total 2
-rw-r--r--  1 brodbd  brodbd  0 Aug 31 04:48 testfile
drwxr-xr-x  2 brodbd  brodbd  2 Aug 31 04:48 testfs

On the client (RedHat Linux 5.4):
r...@dryas:~# mount temp-nfs:/tank/test /test
r...@dryas:~# ls -l /test
total 2
-rw-r--r-- 1 brodbd brodbd 0 Aug 31 04:48 testfile
drwxr-xr-x 2 root   root   2 Aug 31 04:48 testfs

The same sequence works as expected when the server runs OpenSolaris.
Am I missing something?
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Re: getting eclipse to recognize that devel/subsclipse is installed

[Andreas Maechler]

I've always installed Subclipse directly through the Eclipse' plugin
manager, which works very well.

Andy

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Eitan Adler  wrote:
> I installed eclipse and subclipse via ports. When I start eclipse I do
> not see svn as an option in the preferences menu nor or do any of
> subclipse's features.
>
> How can I tell eclipse that I installed subclipse?
>
> --
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Re: System mail

[Rem P Roberti]

However, one *could* bypass the incorporation process and find
a way to write the system messages DIRECTLY into Thunderbird's
user mail storage, but I think that would be a crazy idea. :-)




Agreed!
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Re: Speeding up (caching?) shared libraries loading

[Andrea Venturoli]

Il 08/31/10 16:35, Dan Nelson ha scritto:

In the last episode (Aug 31), Andrea Venturoli said:

Suppose I have an executable which I need to invoke repeatedly (e.g. to
run tests in a makefile).  This executables spend most of its time loading
(rather than processing), due to the need of several huge shared
libraries.


Link your program statically and bypass the dynamic linker completely.


Then my binary would be more than 200MB and it wouldn't load that fast 
either.
Besides I have several binaries using the same libraries and linking 
them all statically would take up a lot more time.


 bye & Thanks anyway
av.
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getting eclipse to recognize that devel/subsclipse is installed

[Eitan Adler]

I installed eclipse and subclipse via ports. When I start eclipse I do
not see svn as an option in the preferences menu nor or do any of
subclipse's features.

How can I tell eclipse that I installed subclipse?

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Re: freebsd-update newbie

[RW]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:27:31 +0200
Polytropon  wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:56:19 -0400, Kyle Dippery 
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I've just installed 8.1 from distribution CDs and updated stable
> > with cvsup.  I want to enable freebsd-update to keep the system,
> > well, updated.
> 
> That won't work. The freebsd-update program is used to track
> RELEASE (including the security patches) in a binary way,
> bringing you from 8.1-RELESE to 8.1-RELESE-p1 to 8.1-RELESE-p2
> and so on.

And to upgrade between two such branches.
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Re: Advantage -vs- Disadvantage: SFTP -vs- SCP

[Adam Vande More]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, krad  wrote:

> ill repeat "but why install extra things when you dont have to?". I dont
> think i mentioned difficulty did i?
>

In addition to moving to a more tightly integrated OpenSSL derivative and
the benefits from such a move, SCP performance greatly exceeds FTP based
solutions IME.

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Re: Advantage -vs- Disadvantage: SFTP -vs- SCP

[Chris Rees]

On 31 August 2010 16:27, krad  wrote:
> On 31 August 2010 15:18, Chris Rees  wrote:
>> On 31 August 2010 14:51, krad  wrote:
>> > On 30 August 2010 18:38, Adam Vande More  wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:30 PM, krad  wrote:
>> >>> sounds like  a bodge to me
>> >> Sounds like FUD to me.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Adam Vande More
>> > maybe but why install extra things when you dont have to.
>>
>> Because this allows people to use scp and nothing else; mooting your
>> argument:
>>
>> ''SFTP is better than scp if you just want to transfer files, as the users
>> dont have to have shell access to the box to use the openssh SFTP
>> system. [snip]''
>>
>> How difficult is it to install a port, really? Do you ever run with
>> just the base system?
>>
> ill repeat "but why install extra things when you dont have to?". I dont
> think i mentioned difficulty did i?

So what's the problem? It allows you to use whatever protocol you
like, without worrying about shell access.

Chris
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Re: Advantage -vs- Disadvantage: SFTP -vs- SCP

[krad]

On 31 August 2010 15:18, Chris Rees  wrote:

> On 31 August 2010 14:51, krad  wrote:
> > On 30 August 2010 18:38, Adam Vande More  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:30 PM, krad  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> sounds like  a bodge to me
> >>>
> >>
> >> Sounds like FUD to me.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Adam Vande More
> >>
> >
> >
> > maybe but why install extra things when you dont have to.
>
> Because this allows people to use scp and nothing else; mooting your
> argument:
>
> ''SFTP is better than scp if you just want to transfer files, as the users
> dont have to have shell access to the box to use the openssh SFTP
> system. [snip]''
>
> How difficult is it to install a port, really? Do you ever run with
> just the base system?
>
> Chris
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ill repeat "but why install extra things when you dont have to?". I dont
think i mentioned difficulty did i?
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Re: freebsd-update newbie

[Mike Clarke]

On Tuesday 31 August 2010, Kyle Dippery wrote:

> I've just installed 8.1 from distribution CDs and updated stable
> with cvsup.  I want to enable freebsd-update to keep the system,
> well, updated.
>
> First try, 'freebsd-update fetch' yielded a number of failure
> messages

freebsd-update will only track the RELEASE branch.

If you want to track STABLE you'll have to use csup and rebuild the 
entire system from source each time. Unless you really want to track 
the latest developments in STABLE you can stay with RELEASE and use 
freebsd-update to ensure that you get all the security patches. See 
section 24.5.2 in the FreeBSD Handbook to help you decide if you really 
need STABLE 


If you choose to stick with RELEASE then it's worth subscribing to the 
FreeBSD Security Advisories mailing list and only running 
freebsd-update after any updates have been announced. 
 

-- 
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Re: freebsd-update newbie

[andrew clarke]

On Tue 2010-08-31 09:56:19 UTC-0400, Kyle Dippery (k...@engr.uky.edu) wrote:

> hostname# freebsd-update fetch
> Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 4 mirrors found.
> Fetching metadata signature for 8.1-STABLE from update4.FreeBSD.org... failed.
> Fetching metadata signature for 8.1-STABLE from update5.FreeBSD.org... failed.
> Fetching metadata signature for 8.1-STABLE from update2.FreeBSD.org... failed.
> Fetching metadata signature for 8.1-STABLE from update3.FreeBSD.org... failed.
> No mirrors remaining, giving up.

Short answer: freebsd-update doesn't support updating systems running -STABLE.
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Re: Dell Latitude E6400 and Touchpad

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Mike Barnard on Tuesday, 31 August 2010:
> Thanks Frank. I'll try asking  there.
> 
> Chip, my touchpad works.. the only features I want are vertical and
> horizontal scrolling. Do those work for you?
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Chip Camden 
> wrote:
> 
> > Quoth Frank Shute on Monday, 30 August 2010:
> > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:59:55PM +0300, Mike Barnard wrote:
> > > >
> > > > anyone on this... Synpatics Touchpad on FreeBSD 64-bit?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mike, since you haven't received a reply from this list, your best bet
> > > is probably to post to the freebsd-mobile list.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >  Frank
> > >
> > >  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> > My ASUS K72F has a touchpad, but I don't know if it's Synaptics.  Any way
> > I can tell?  In any case, it worked automagically with FreeBSD 8.0 and
> > 8.1 amd64.
> >

I don't even know how to do that with a mouse that doesn't have a third
button, short of clicking on a scroll bar.  I generally avoid the mouse
where I can.  Can you instruct me?

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Re: System mail

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:52:45 -0700, Rem P Roberti  wrote:
> 
> At this time system mail is being delivered to /var/mail/,
>  which is the normal way of doing things.  Is it possible to have
>  system mail delivered to an email client, such as Thunderbird or
>  Mutt?
> >>> No. Per definition, a mail client (mail user agent - MUA) can not
> >>> be the target of mail delivery ...
> >> Depending on what the OP had in mind, ports/mail/procmail might turn
> >> out to be (at least part of) a solution.
> >>
> >
> > Actually Mutt can read directly from a mbox file like in /var/mail/
> >
> 
> You are quite right.  I was thinking more on the lines of having system 
> mail read by Thunderbird.

In this case, configuring the system's mail delivery to a local
account instead of directly to root, and then have Thunderbird
incormporate mail from local spool will easily do the trick.

I don't have Thunderbird installed, but you should be able to
find the correct setting.

However, one *could* bypass the incorporation process and find
a way to write the system messages DIRECTLY into Thunderbird's
user mail storage, but I think that would be a crazy idea. :-)


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Re: wvstreaams + wvdial on FreeBSD 8.1 AMD 64

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 326, Issue 2, Message: 2
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:27:47 -0500 Antonio Olivares  
wrote:
 > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Odhiambo Washington  
 > wrote:
 > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Antonio Olivares 
 > > wrote:
 > >>
 > >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington 
 > >> wrote:
 > >> >
 > >> >
 > >> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Antonio Olivares
 > >> > 
 > >> > wrote:
 > >> >>
 > >> >> Dear FreeBSD users,
 > >> >>
 > >> >> I have run out of ideas to troubleshoot a difficult task:
 > >> >>
 > >> >> get wvstreams and wvdial to work on FreeBSD 8.1.
 > >> >>
 > >> >
 > >> > Why don't you just use the native ppp in FreeBSD?
 > >>
 > >> Don't have experience with it :(  Have used kppp in FreeBSD and Linux,
 > >> but also use wvdial.  I prefer those tools and examples in FreeBSD
 > >> Handbook have not worked for me before sadly.
 > >>
 > >> Regards,
 > >>
 > >> Antonio
 > >
 > > Did you try PC-BSD?
 > >
 > 
 > No :(
 > 
 > Had tried it before, but I read that it too lacks kppp and that the
 > port is broken with no apparent fix in sight.

It's not just that kppp, from KDE's linuxcentricity, only supported 
pppd & not FreeBSD's ppp(8), but that pppd on FreeBSD received scant 
attention in recent years and was dropped altogether in FreeBSD 8.0

ppp(8) works fine and is well supported and well documented in the man 
page and Handbook.  You shouldn't have any trouble gaining experience 
with it, and if you do, lots of people here can help with config.

Having delved into the complexities of pppd setup on a Linux system 
myself, I quite understand why people preferred a front-end for it :)
ppp(8) needs one config file and is easily managed by simple script/s.

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Re: System mail

[Rem P Roberti]

   At this time system mail is being delivered to /var/mail/,
which is the normal way of doing things.  Is it possible to have
system mail delivered to an email client, such as Thunderbird or
Mutt?

No. Per definition, a mail client (mail user agent - MUA) can not
be the target of mail delivery ...

Depending on what the OP had in mind, ports/mail/procmail might turn
out to be (at least part of) a solution.



Actually Mutt can read directly from a mbox file like in /var/mail/



You are quite right.  I was thinking more on the lines of having system 
mail read by Thunderbird.


Cheers..
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Re: System mail

[Rem P Roberti]

   At this time system mail is being delivered to /var/mail/,
which is the normal way of doing things.  Is it possible to have
system mail delivered to an email client, such as Thunderbird or
Mutt?

No. Per definition, a mail client (mail user agent - MUA) can not
be the target of mail delivery ...

Depending on what the OP had in mind, ports/mail/procmail might turn
out to be (at least part of) a solution.



Actually, I do have procmail installed for use with Mutt, but I have 
never been able to create a recipe that works.


Cheers...
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Re: Advantage -vs- Disadvantage: SFTP -vs- SCP

[Chris Rees]

On 31 August 2010 14:51, krad  wrote:
> On 30 August 2010 18:38, Adam Vande More  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:30 PM, krad  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> sounds like  a bodge to me
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like FUD to me.
>>
>> --
>> Adam Vande More
>>
>
>
> maybe but why install extra things when you dont have to.

Because this allows people to use scp and nothing else; mooting your argument:

''SFTP is better than scp if you just want to transfer files, as the users
dont have to have shell access to the box to use the openssh SFTP
system. [snip]''

How difficult is it to install a port, really? Do you ever run with
just the base system?

Chris
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Re: Speeding up (caching?) shared libraries loading

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Aug 31), Andrea Venturoli said:
> Suppose I have an executable which I need to invoke repeatedly (e.g. to
> run tests in a makefile).  This executables spend most of its time loading
> (rather than processing), due to the need of several huge shared
> libraries.

Link your program statically and bypass the dynamic linker completely.

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Re: freebsd-update newbie

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:56:19 -0400, Kyle Dippery  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've just installed 8.1 from distribution CDs and updated stable
> with cvsup.  I want to enable freebsd-update to keep the system,
> well, updated.

That won't work. The freebsd-update program is used to track
RELEASE (including the security patches) in a binary way,
bringing you from 8.1-RELESE to 8.1-RELESE-p1 to 8.1-RELESE-p2
and so on.

STABLE is not supported by freebsd-update. If you want to track
STABLE, you need to compile stuff yourself from sources updated
via cvsup or csup (see instructions in the FreeBSD handbook and
additionally /usr/src/Makefile).




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freebsd-update newbie

[Kyle Dippery]

Hello,

I've just installed 8.1 from distribution CDs and updated stable
with cvsup.  I want to enable freebsd-update to keep the system,
well, updated.

First try, 'freebsd-update fetch' yielded a number of failure
messages regarding the public key.  Found a fetch address to get the
key manually, put it in /var/db/freebsd-update, and ran again.  Now
I get:

hostname# freebsd-update fetch
Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 4 mirrors found.
Fetching metadata signature for 8.1-STABLE from update4.FreeBSD.org... failed.
Fetching metadata signature for 8.1-STABLE from update5.FreeBSD.org... failed.
Fetching metadata signature for 8.1-STABLE from update2.FreeBSD.org... failed.
Fetching metadata signature for 8.1-STABLE from update3.FreeBSD.org... failed.
No mirrors remaining, giving up.

This is the case even when rule 1 of ipfw is 'allow all from any to any'.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Kyle
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Re: Speeding up (caching?) shared libraries loading

[C. Bergström]

Ivan Voras wrote:

On 08/31/10 14:44, Andrea Venturoli wrote:

Hello.

Suppose I have an executable which I need to invoke repeatedly (e.g. to
run tests in a makefile).
This executables spend most of its time loading (rather than
processing), due to the need of several huge shared libraries.

I'd welcome an hint on how to speed this up.
Possible thing would be to "cache" these shared libraries (and possibily
the executable too) in memory, so that any invocation after the first is
faster.
Is this possible at all?


Normal file system caching will cover this case (unless you have very 
little memory available). The only other thing you might do to speed 
this up is prebinding / prelinking but if you are often rebuilding the 
project it might not help.
With the PathScale compiler we tightly integrate hugetblfs support on 
linux.  (At some point we'll likely adapt this approach to work with 
FBSD superpages)  It can provide significant speed-up in some cases.  
(Like the initial loading of Firefox and some SPEC benchmarks)  I would 
give that a try and see what sort of results you get..  (Not exactly 
what you were asking about, but could help)

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Re: Advantage -vs- Disadvantage: SFTP -vs- SCP

[krad]

On 30 August 2010 18:38, Adam Vande More  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:30 PM, krad  wrote:
>
>>
>> sounds like  a bodge to me
>>
>
> Sounds like FUD to me.
>
> --
> Adam Vande More
>


maybe but why install extra things when you dont have to.
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Re: how do i scp .dotfiles??

[krad]

On 30 August 2010 20:02, Chris Rees  wrote:

> On 30 August 2010 18:37, krad  wrote:
> > On 27 August 2010 20:13, Polytropon  wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:21:12 -0500, Gary Gatten 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Rename them, copy, then rename them back?
> >>
> >> Not good for a whole bunch of files; in this case: tar them together,
> >> transfer the archive, untar it; rename afterwards if needed. :-)
> >
> > or
> >
> > sudo tar cf - /somepath | ssh x...@y " sudo tar xvf - -C somepath "
> >
> > I agree with other posts though rsync is the easiest
>
>
> Why sudo with tar?
>
> Chris
>

make sure all perms correct and can read all files
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Re: Speeding up (caching?) shared libraries loading

[Ivan Voras]

On 08/31/10 14:44, Andrea Venturoli wrote:

Hello.

Suppose I have an executable which I need to invoke repeatedly (e.g. to
run tests in a makefile).
This executables spend most of its time loading (rather than
processing), due to the need of several huge shared libraries.

I'd welcome an hint on how to speed this up.
Possible thing would be to "cache" these shared libraries (and possibily
the executable too) in memory, so that any invocation after the first is
faster.
Is this possible at all?


Normal file system caching will cover this case (unless you have very 
little memory available). The only other thing you might do to speed 
this up is prebinding / prelinking but if you are often rebuilding the 
project it might not help.



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Re: Speeding up (caching?) shared libraries loading

[Alexander Best]

On Tue Aug 31 10, Andrea Venturoli wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Suppose I have an executable which I need to invoke repeatedly (e.g. to 
> run tests in a makefile).
> This executables spend most of its time loading (rather than 
> processing), due to the need of several huge shared libraries.
> 
> I'd welcome an hint on how to speed this up.
> Possible thing would be to "cache" these shared libraries (and possibily 
> the executable too) in memory, so that any invocation after the first is 
> faster.
> Is this possible at all?
> Any other idea?

i don't think there's an out-of-the-box solution. have you checked out ports to
see if there's something there which might do what you're looking for?

another possibility would be to use tmpfs and store the files and libraries
on a memory based partition. you could write a script which would copy
files/libs to the tmpfs partition during boot time e.g.

cheers.
alex

> 
>  bye & Thanks
>   av.

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Re: installing FreeBSD in VMWare-player

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, August 30, 2010 a las 11:31:13AM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió:

> El día Friday, August 27, 2010 a las 12:06:09PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias 
> escribió:
> 
> >  On 27/08/2010 10:24 ??.??., Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it possible that the data gets corrupt on an USB key after some time?
> > > I'm wondering why the system even is intact to be booted from...
> > >
> > > Will prepare the key again or just fill in the dumps I have...
> > >
> > >   matthias
> 
> I prepared another USB key which boots fine in my laptop, boots fine in
> the other laptop native (i.e. without VM-player); but in the
> VM-player and in an older laptop of my wife it can't mount the root file
> system on boot; it says:
...


Because the USB key was not booting in the VM I've now used a 8.0 livefs
ISO to boot from. I used this livefs for the 1st time, I think, and even beeing
an experienced FreeBSD user for more than 15 years it is not easy to
understand how the livefs should be best use to

1) partition the slice and install boot manager
2) restore dumps from the USB disk I have

The livefs brings you into the same menu like any other install CD. I
was awaiting a straight forward boot into a multiuser run level and
then do the work from there. Ofc you can user the installer and dont
install anything (because there is nothing in this moment on the CD),
and then jump to the shell. In this case the created file systems are
already poluted with some stuff and are mounted together. I found no way
to unmount /mnt/ad0s1a (todo newfs again). It always said 'busy'. 

So I booted a 2nd time the livefs and went right away to the shell...

Now I have already again my 'old' root partition booting to single user
mode and I'm filling in the 120 GByte dump of the /usr ... The 1st try
crashed the Win7 to blue screen over the night :-(

matthias

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Re: Cleaned out /usr/local when reinstalling ports, now keyboard in X is not localized

[Leslie Jensen]

On 2010-08-31 12:38, Bernt Hansson wrote:

2010-08-31 10:29, Leslie Jensen skrev:



On 2010-08-30 21:02, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Put this in your .xinitrc
setxkbmap se



Thanks for the suggestion!

I wonder, is this metod the correct way.


I think so, as long X is concerned.

 > According to the handbook one

should use the

/usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi file.


There are no *.fdi files on this machine, and I don't
feel like fiddling with hal.



OK, thank you.

/Leslie
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Speeding up (caching?) shared libraries loading

[Andrea Venturoli]

Hello.

Suppose I have an executable which I need to invoke repeatedly (e.g. to 
run tests in a makefile).
This executables spend most of its time loading (rather than 
processing), due to the need of several huge shared libraries.


I'd welcome an hint on how to speed this up.
Possible thing would be to "cache" these shared libraries (and possibily 
the executable too) in memory, so that any invocation after the first is 
faster.

Is this possible at all?
Any other idea?

 bye & Thanks
av.
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Re: Firebird 2.1.3

[Leonardo M . Ramé]

> Washington wrote:
> > Yes. If it is not in the ports, you are pretty much on
> your own with
> > firebird!
> 
> That is why he had asked on questions@ instead of po...@.
> "To see if"
> anyone else had any luck compiling it on a version of
> FreeBSD over 7.3.
> 
> -- 

I got the solution in the firebird-devel list, it's an easy one, just apply 
this patch:

http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-firebird/2.1.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/no-static-linkage.patch;hb=HEAD


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Re: Dell Latitude E6400 and Touchpad

[Mike Barnard]

Thanks Frank. I'll try asking  there.

Chip, my touchpad works.. the only features I want are vertical and
horizontal scrolling. Do those work for you?



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Chip Camden wrote:

> Quoth Frank Shute on Monday, 30 August 2010:
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:59:55PM +0300, Mike Barnard wrote:
> > >
> > > anyone on this... Synpatics Touchpad on FreeBSD 64-bit?
> > >
> >
> > Mike, since you haven't received a reply from this list, your best bet
> > is probably to post to the freebsd-mobile list.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> >
> >  Frank
> >
> >  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html
> >
> >
>
> My ASUS K72F has a touchpad, but I don't know if it's Synaptics.  Any way
> I can tell?  In any case, it worked automagically with FreeBSD 8.0 and
> 8.1 amd64.
>
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Re: Cleaned out /usr/local when reinstalling ports, now keyboard in X is not localized

[Jerry]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:38:57 +0200
Bernt Hansson  articulated:

> 2010-08-31 10:29, Leslie Jensen skrev:
> >
> >
> > On 2010-08-30 21:02, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> >> Put this in your .xinitrc
> >> setxkbmap se
> >>
> >>
> > Thanks for the suggestion!
> >
> > I wonder, is this metod the correct way.
> 
> I think so, as long X is concerned.
> 
>  > According to the handbook one
> > should use the
> >
> > /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi file.
> 
> There are no *.fdi files on this machine, and I don't
> feel like fiddling with hal.

No one in their right mind likes messing with hal. 

HAL is now (at least on other OSs) deprecated, since it has become a
large monolithic unmaintainable mess, and also duplicates a lot of
functionality which are nowadays provided by udev and the kernel itself.

Hopefully, FreeBSD will soon free itself from its clutches.

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The limit on the length of the login

[Vladislav V. Prodan]

pw: name too long `sdgkjdsfgkjdfghkdjsfgfsdjghdjks' (max is 16)

Crutches pam_mysql and pam_ldap does not offer :)

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Re: Cleaned out /usr/local when reinstalling ports, now keyboard in X is not localized

[Bernt Hansson]

2010-08-31 10:29, Leslie Jensen skrev:



On 2010-08-30 21:02, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Put this in your .xinitrc
setxkbmap se



Thanks for the suggestion!

I wonder, is this metod the correct way.


I think so, as long X is concerned.

> According to the handbook one

should use the

/usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi file.


There are no *.fdi files on this machine, and I don't
feel like fiddling with hal.
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Re: Firebird 2.1.3

[jhell]

On 08/31/2010 05:09, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> Yes. If it is not in the ports, you are pretty much on your own with
> firebird!

That is why he had asked on questions@ instead of po...@. "To see if"
anyone else had any luck compiling it on a version of FreeBSD over 7.3.

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Re: Firebird 2.1.3

[Volodymyr Kostyrko]

31.08.2010 01:33, Leonardo M. Ramé wrote:

This is my procedure to compile it:

export CFLAGS="-DAMD64"
./configure --without-editline
gmake

... and after a while I get this:

...
/usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libsupc++.a(tinfo2.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S can not be 
used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC


Here you go, linker says you what to do.


/usr/lib/libsupc++.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
gmake[2]: *** [../gen/firebird/lib/libfbclient.so.2.1.3] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/home/martin/desarrollo/Firebird-2.1.3.18185-0/gen'
gmake[1]: *** [libfbclient] Error 2
gmake[1]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/home/martin/desarrollo/Firebird-2.1.3.18185-0/gen'
gmake: *** [firebird] Error 2

Any hint?


try CFLAGS="-DAMD64 -fPIC"

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Re: Firebird 2.1.3

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Leonardo M. Ramé wrote:

> This is my procedure to compile it:
>
> export CFLAGS="-DAMD64"
> ./configure --without-editline
> gmake
>
> ... and after a while I get this:
>
> ...
> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libsupc++.a(tinfo2.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S can
> not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
> /usr/lib/libsupc++.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
> gmake[2]: *** [../gen/firebird/lib/libfbclient.so.2.1.3] Error 1
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/home/martin/desarrollo/Firebird-2.1.3.18185-0/gen'
> gmake[1]: *** [libfbclient] Error 2
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/home/martin/desarrollo/Firebird-2.1.3.18185-0/gen'
> gmake: *** [firebird] Error 2
>
>

> Any hint?
>
Yes. If it is not in the ports, you are pretty much on your own with
firebird!




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Re: reboot options

[David DEMELIER]

2010/8/30 Daniel Bye :
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:43:33AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
>> Is there a way to specify which boot option to choose on the next reboot?
>> I often find that I'll start a reboot and then get distracted by
>> something else and miss my chance to specify which way to boot before the
>> beastie screen times out.
>>
>> A nit, I know -- but bothersome to a nitwit such as I.
>
> A nit by which others have obviously been irritated - nextboot(8) is
> probably what you're looking for!
>
> Dan
>
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If you don't remember a command, and knows the subject and what the
command is supposed to do try the command apropos.

$ apropos boot

Shows many intersting things :-).

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Re: System mail

[mailinglists]

 On 31/08/10 8:00 PM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

Polytropon  wrote:


On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:59:46 -0700,
Rem P Roberti  wrote:

   At this time system mail is being delivered to /var/mail/,
which is the normal way of doing things.  Is it possible to have
system mail delivered to an email client, such as Thunderbird or
Mutt?

No. Per definition, a mail client (mail user agent - MUA) can not
be the target of mail delivery ...

Depending on what the OP had in mind, ports/mail/procmail might turn
out to be (at least part of) a solution.



Actually Mutt can read directly from a mbox file like in /var/mail/

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Re: Cleaned out /usr/local when reinstalling ports, now keyboard in X is not localized

[Leslie Jensen]

On 2010-08-30 21:02, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Put this in your .xinitrc
setxkbmap se



Thanks for the suggestion!

I wonder, is this metod the correct way. According to the handbook one 
should use the


/usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi

file.

/Leslie
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Re: System mail

[perryh]

Polytropon  wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:59:46 -0700,
> Rem P Roberti  wrote:
> >   At this time system mail is being delivered to /var/mail/,
> > which is the normal way of doing things.  Is it possible to have
> > system mail delivered to an email client, such as Thunderbird or
> > Mutt?
>
> No. Per definition, a mail client (mail user agent - MUA) can not
> be the target of mail delivery ...

Depending on what the OP had in mind, ports/mail/procmail might turn
out to be (at least part of) a solution.
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