listing ZFS pool name in fixit mode
Hi guys, I have a 8.2-amd64 machine on which I blew up the boot blocks (isn't booting any more). It's s supermicro server btw and we have a ZFSonRooT setup there. The way I want to go about fixing it is booting into single user mode, mounting all the datasets, undoing the modification I did to the boot blocks, recompiling and installing the old version of the boot blocks for the system to boot. The problem is that after I boot a 8.2-DVD and then go to fixit mode, load the opensolaris and the zfs modules, I cannot list the ZFS pool name (I don;t know the ZFS pool name because I didn;t setup this machine) and without the name, I cannot import the pool to fix the boot blocks. So, my question is if there is a way to list the zpool in single user mode so that I know which pool I have to import or if there might be another way of fixing this problem. I already tried zpool list but it was no good. -- Best regards, Claudiu Vasadi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portupgrades fail because of missing /usr/local/lib/liblzma.la
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 01:45:02PM -0400, b. f. wrote: o) What can I do to get ports recognize the correct location of the xz-libraries? As I wrote above, some more information would help. I'm guessing that you have a port that (unfortunately) uses libtool to perform linking, and has an erroneous /usr/local/lib/lzma.la entry in a libtool archive file (*.la), or is using some combination of uncommon linker flags and sloppy use of -L/usr/local/lib. Does a search like: fgrep -e lzma -nHr /usr/local/lib --include='*.la' yield any results? If you see any references in a libtool archive to the nonexistent /usr/local/lib/liblzma.la, try removing and then rebuilding the port that owns that libtool archive -- you should be able to determine the port by running pkg_info -W with the full path of the libtool archive as an argument. Hi, First of all I'm posting my reply to both -questions where I sent my original question to as well as -ports where you sent your reply so others are seeing this too. In short - thanks to your hints everything's healthy again :-)) Here's what I did (in case others are suffering from this problem too): fgrep -e lzma -nHr /usr/local/lib --include='*.la' yielded a bunch of results - grep-ed for /usr/local/lib/liblzma.la. Then feeded these into pkg_info -W which nicely pointed me to the corresponding port where this library comes from. The only thing I had to do then was to make deinstall;make clean; make install this port. In my case it was e.g. the ImageMagick-6.7.0.10_1 port causing all the mess. So thanks to you all who responded. It's great to have such a knowledgeable and helpful community out there - you indeed learn something new every day. -ewald ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: will have 4th FreeBSD Edition handbook?
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011, Alvaro Castillo wrote: Hello world! Yes, The 3rd Edition of FreeBSD's Handbook is more old than Noe's Ark (is for FreeBSD 4.x and 5.x versions). The Handbook today has got a lot of changes (I presume with FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE more yet). I'm interesting buy this handbook, but is so old You might be better off purchasing Absolute FreeBSD which has a more recent 2nd edition: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593271514/ and which covers much the same territory. It has a good discussion of diskless booting, a portion of the handbook which is hopelessly obsolete. Daniel Feenberg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: gmake[4]: *** [Gdk-2.0.gir] Error 127 = updating gtk to latest on ports
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com wrote: In the last episode (Aug 04), Antonio Olivares said: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Antonio Olivares wrote: In an effort to keep up to date, I checked updates that are available and tried to apply them. Encountered a problem with gtk : /* Commands run */ quadcore# . Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done. Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have. No updates needed. Ports tree is already up to date. === New version available: gtk-2.24.5_1 === 537 total installed ports === 1 has a new version available ran # portmaster -a Always (yes, always) check /usr/ports/UPDATING before throwing any automatic update tool at it. See the 20110730 entry. Yes I see it, but it does not make a difference :( 20110730: AFFECTS: users of x11-toolkits/gtk20 AUTHOR: gn...@freebsd.org The gtk-update-icon-cache utility has been split out of the gtk20 port. Use the following instructions to update your system. # pkg_delete -f gtk-2.\* # portmaster x11-toolkits/gtk20 # portmaster -a I ran the first command successfully, but the second bombs out the same place and with same error :( ual-x11.c x11/gdkwindow-x11.c x11/gdkxftdefaults.c x11/gdkxid.c x11/xsettings-client.c x11/xsettings-common.c libgdk-x11-2.0.la Makefile --output Gdk-2.0.gir /usr/local/bin/g-ir-scanner: not found g-ir-scanner is a python script. I bet the interpreter path on the first line of that file no longer points to a valid python executable. Have you converted python versions recently and forgot to rebuild all ports depending on it? -- Dan, it was there :) problem was it was not found. Found how to fix these errors here: Thank you for your help. I found the solution in : http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=23721 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' === Compressing manual pages for gobject-introspection-0.10.8 === Running ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib === Registering installation for gobject-introspection-0.10.8 === Cleaning for gobject-introspection-0.10.8 === Updating dependency entry for gobject-introspection-0.10.8 in each dependent port === Re-installation of gobject-introspection-0.10.8 complete after this, update was successful :) Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: listing ZFS pool name in fixit mode
In the last episode (Aug 05), claudiu vasadi said: I have a 8.2-amd64 machine on which I blew up the boot blocks (isn't booting any more). It's s supermicro server btw and we have a ZFSonRooT setup there. The way I want to go about fixing it is booting into single user mode, mounting all the datasets, undoing the modification I did to the boot blocks, recompiling and installing the old version of the boot blocks for the system to boot. The problem is that after I boot a 8.2-DVD and then go to fixit mode, load the opensolaris and the zfs modules, I cannot list the ZFS pool name (I don;t know the ZFS pool name because I didn;t setup this machine) and without the name, I cannot import the pool to fix the boot blocks. So, my question is if there is a way to list the zpool in single user mode so that I know which pool I have to import or if there might be another way of fixing this problem. zpool import with no pool name will list all the pools available to import. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM, zareena crisostomo cyra_angel0...@yahoo.com wrote: Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. So, please clarify. You want us to do your homework assignment? But how can we? You sent a proprietary format and it's locked, so we can't even cut and paste to answer the assignment for you! I wonder what Ms. Nancy M. Flores would think of your research techniques! Sadly, none of your college of IT have their e-mails posted. Let's see. You were able to post on this list, so obviously you know how to STFW, and you obviously know how to read. So here, RTFM: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html Then, after you actually install and try FreeBSD, and if you have any _specific_ questions, then come back here with ONE (1) question per e-mail. You may be wondering why such a hostile reaction from many people here. This will answer _that_ question: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Best, -- Alejandro Imass Zareena C. Bohol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:47:54AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: . . . a bunch of stuff. I had no interest in reading the attached PDF until I saw the message by Alejandro Imass. Now that I've read it, I can only think that if one takes the tasks described in that PDF literally and seriously the project must be the equivalent of a Master's thesis. Holy crap. That's a lot of work, and if someone does a good job on that set of tasks for FreeBSD, that person should end up knowing more than me about FreeBSD despite having spent six years using it so far. I hope this isn't some two-week project. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpQnazHKfuH0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: more information
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM, zareena crisostomo cyra_angel0...@yahoo.com wrote: Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. So, please clarify. You want us to do your homework assignment? But how can we? You sent a proprietary format and it's locked, so we can't even cut and paste to answer the assignment for you! I wonder what Ms. Nancy M. Flores would think of your research techniques! Sadly, none of your college of IT have their e-mails posted. Let's see. You were able to post on this list, so obviously you know how to STFW, and you obviously know how to read. So here, RTFM: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html Then, after you actually install and try FreeBSD, and if you have any _specific_ questions, then come back here with ONE (1) question per e-mail. You may be wondering why such a hostile reaction from many people here. This will answer _that_ question: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html For Christ's sake, he posted a simple assignment outline, more than likely the original one he received and asked for help with it. Obviously, part of the problem can be attributed to language. I assume someone besides myself noticed where the assignment originated from. All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am assuming that you actually have some education, basket weaving doesn't count, and have received assignments that required obtaining facts, etcetera. It would have been so much easier and pleasant to have simple listed a few links to documentation that he might be able to use rather than attacking the OP in a condescending manner. If you are really looking for e-mail addresses, start here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/. When you e-mail his instructors, please CC me as well. I really want to see how this is going to turn out for you. Be sure to include the OP's original post to this list as well. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:47:54AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: . . . a bunch of stuff. I had no interest in reading the attached PDF until I saw the message by Alejandro Imass. Now that I've read it, I can only think that if one takes the tasks described in that PDF literally and seriously the project must be the equivalent of a Master's thesis. Holy crap. That's a lot of work, and if someone does a good job on that set of tasks for FreeBSD, that person should end up knowing more than me about FreeBSD despite having spent six years using it so far. I hope this isn't some two-week project. Ja! Especially fun will be cutting and pasting sections II.a and b. Here you go, Zareena, all you need to do is divide this list about 30/70 into points IIa and IIb, I'm sure your teacher's won't know the difference which goes where: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/master-index.html What's sad IMHO is that IT Colleges world-wide, not in the OP's country, have gotten so pirate, that they don't really teach computing, but rather create users maybe analogous to Agricultural schools which teach the techniques and legal aspects of cross-pollination for planting with Monsanto seeds. Anyway, the fact that the teacher assigned this student FreeBSD at least is a sign of hope ;-) but on the other hand it's no wonder why the largest IT companies in the world were formed by University drop-outs... The curriculum is probably OK, for example as you said, if this assignment would be taken seriously but you can clearly see the attitude of students which is probably an x-ray into his college. Then again, I think the FBSD Handbook is even more complete than this homework assignment. Cheers! -- Alejandro Imass -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] For Christ's sake, he posted a simple assignment outline, more than likely the original one he received and asked for help with it. Obviously, part of the problem can be attributed to language. I assume someone besides myself noticed where the assignment originated from. Everyone reacts from his or her particular perception. The assignment is in plain English so I doubt the problem is language related, so in my perception, the question is laziness. And you have to respect that. All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Exactly my point, thanks: With my humble IQ of 2, his e-mail reads Please do my homework for me. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am It's a good thing you are not! IMHO awarding laziness is not a good thing. assuming that you actually have some education, basket weaving doesn't count, and have received assignments that required obtaining facts, etcetera. It would have been so much easier and pleasant to have simple listed a few links to documentation that he might be able to use rather than attacking the OP in a condescending manner. The only one attacking here, my friend, is you. My mail was very straight forward: go do your homework first; then come back and ask some intelligent question. I would gladly accept you criticism if I hadn't pointed the OP in the right direction. But if it's a question of style then the question becomes, where did you get your education? because any of my teachers would have done the same or worse: go away and come back with a specific question; don't come here with you assignment and expect me to do it for you!, but here, read this and then come back If you are really looking for e-mail addresses, start here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/. When you e-mail his instructors, please CC me as well. I really want to see how this is going to turn out for you. Be sure to include the OP's original post to this list as well. Yeah well you should have looked yourself first, the faculty staff is here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/Programs/Faculty?College=CITCS And, as I stated in my original reply, they don't post their mails. I do my homework first. -- Alejandro -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ipmi is broken? (ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range)
Actually IPMI was working until yesterday (on Linux rhel 5) and stopped working when I installed FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 (same result with FreeBSD 8.2 i386) On Linux : # dmidecode Handle 0x0029, DMI type 38, 16 bytes IPMI Device Information Interface Type: KCS (Keyboard Control Style) Specification Version: 1.5 I2C Slave Address: 0x10 NV Storage Device: Not Present Base Address: 0x0CA2 (I/O) # ipmitool mc info Device ID : 0 Device Revision : 1 Firmware Revision : 1.48 IPMI Version : 1.5 Manufacturer ID : 2 Manufacturer Name : Unknown (0x02) Product ID: 34869 (0x8835) Product Name : Unknown (0x8835) Device Available : yes Provides Device SDRs : no Additional Device Support : Sensor Device SDR Repository Device SEL Device FRU Inventory Device IPMB Event Receiver Bridge Chassis Device Aux Firmware Rev Info : 0x88 0x00 0x00 0x00 #lspci 02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) 02:01.1 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) As my google searches pointed to me, the problem on FreeBSD seems to be related to the bge driver. I tried to configure hw.bge.allow_asf=0|1 and hw.pci.enable_msi=0 in loader.conf, which didn't fix the problem. Should I try to compile an older bge driver or fix the new one ? -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/ipmi-is-broken-ppc0-cannot-reserve-I-O-port-range-tp4266087p4670031.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Help with Bind Weirdness Logging
I'm running bind 9.3.5 and have been running some version of Bind for
years. The purpose of this server is to resolve for my home LAN and to
do regular queries for things outside my LAN.
Just recently, I noticed that my server can't resolve for some names.
The ones I've noticed are for Microsoft domains, specifically
go.microsoft.com and time.windows.com. For example:
# dig go.microsoft.com
; DiG 9.3.5-P2 go.microsoft.com
;; global options: printcmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
Yet if I ask my ISP's server, I get resolution:
# dig @66.60.130.158 go.microsoft.com
; DiG 9.3.5-P2 @66.60.130.158 go.microsoft.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40919
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;go.microsoft.com. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION:
go.microsoft.com. 2364IN CNAME www.go.microsoft.akadns.net.
www.go.microsoft.akadns.net. 462 IN A 64.4.11.160
;; Query time: 39 msec
;; SERVER: 66.60.130.158#53(66.60.130.158)
;; WHEN: Fri Aug 5 09:02:56 2011
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 91
But for all other domains I've tried, DNS resolution works just fine
from my server. Here's an example:
# dig yahoo.com
; DiG 9.3.5-P2 yahoo.com
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 60582
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 7, ADDITIONAL: 2
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;yahoo.com. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION:
yahoo.com. 21600 IN A 69.147.125.65
yahoo.com. 21600 IN A 72.30.2.43
yahoo.com. 21600 IN A 98.137.149.56
yahoo.com. 21600 IN A 209.191.122.70
yahoo.com. 21600 IN A 67.195.160.76
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
yahoo.com. 172800 IN NS ns5.yahoo.com.
yahoo.com. 172800 IN NS ns6.yahoo.com.
yahoo.com. 172800 IN NS ns8.yahoo.com.
yahoo.com. 172800 IN NS ns1.yahoo.com.
yahoo.com. 172800 IN NS ns2.yahoo.com.
yahoo.com. 172800 IN NS ns3.yahoo.com.
yahoo.com. 172800 IN NS ns4.yahoo.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns6.yahoo.com. 172800 IN A 202.43.223.170
ns8.yahoo.com. 172800 IN A 202.165.104.22
;; Query time: 236 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.4#53(192.168.1.4)
;; WHEN: Fri Aug 5 09:05:32 2011
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 265
So to try and diagnose this, I investigated logging. My
/var/named/etc/namedb/named.conf file had this default logging section:
logging {
category default { default_syslog; default_debug; };
category security{ default_syslog; default_debug; };
category xfer-in { default_syslog; default_debug; };
category xfer-out{ default_syslog; default_debug; };
category notify { default_syslog; default_debug; };
category update { default_syslog; default_debug; };
category update-security { default_syslog; default_debug; };
category lame-servers{ default_syslog; default_debug; };
};
But I couldn't find any logging in any of my log files like
/var/log/messages or /var/log/all.log and there were no files in
/var/named/var/log. I did some Googling, commented out the above, added
the section below, and restarted named:
logging{
channel simple_log {
file /var/log/named.log versions 3 size 5m;
severity warning;
print-time yes;
print-severity yes;
print-category yes;
};
category default { simple_log; };
category network { simple_log; };
category queries { simple_log; };
category resolver { simple_log; };
category general { simple_log; };
};
This did create a log file called /var/named/var/log/named.log. However
I'm not getting much info in this log. I only get this text upon restart:
05-Aug-2011 07:39:22.583 general: error: the working directory is not
writable
What must I do to get more detailed logging that might help diagnose
this problem? Or better yet, what is going on with my Bind installation? ;)
Cheers,
Drew
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Re: Help with Bind Weirdness Logging
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:15:21 -0500, Drew Tomlinson d...@mykitchentable.net wrote: Just recently, I noticed that my server can't resolve for some names. The ones I've noticed are for Microsoft domains, specifically go.microsoft.com and time.windows.com. For example: What kind of firewall stuff are you doing? Is it possible you're dropping the DNS replies when they're TCP? This happens when the reply is a certain size. Cheers, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:17:13 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] For Christ's sake, he posted a simple assignment outline, more than likely the original one he received and asked for help with it. Obviously, part of the problem can be attributed to language. I assume someone besides myself noticed where the assignment originated from. Everyone reacts from his or her particular perception. The assignment is in plain English so I doubt the problem is language related, so in my perception, the question is laziness. And you have to respect that. No I don't. Being able to read a language, and I have no idea, nor do you, exactly how well the OP can converse in English. There are numerous posters on this forum that apparently can read to a limited extend and post as well in English. Grammatically, it may suck but at least the the majority of this community can ascertain what the OP was trying to convey. All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Exactly my point, thanks: With my humble IQ of 2, his e-mail reads Please do my homework for me. quote Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. /quote Interesting! Do != Help You do have a serious IQ deficiency. So, using your interpretation, the next time someone posts asking for help with a problem they have encountered with FreeBSD, you are going to assume that they want you to actually fix it for them rather then give them some verbal assistance or a link to a possible fix? Pathetic to say the least. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am It's a good thing you are not! IMHO awarding laziness is not a good thing. assuming that you actually have some education, basket weaving doesn't count, and have received assignments that required obtaining facts, etcetera. It would have been so much easier and pleasant to have simple listed a few links to documentation that he might be able to use rather than attacking the OP in a condescending manner. The only one attacking here, my friend, is you. My mail was very straight forward: go do your homework first; then come back and ask some intelligent question. I would gladly accept you criticism if I hadn't pointed the OP in the right direction. But if it's a question of style then the question becomes, where did you get your education? because any of my teachers would have done the same or worse: go away and come back with a specific question; don't come here with you assignment and expect me to do it for you!, but here, read this and then come back If you are really looking for e-mail addresses, start here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/. When you e-mail his instructors, please CC me as well. I really want to see how this is going to turn out for you. Be sure to include the OP's original post to this list as well. Yeah well you should have looked yourself first, the faculty staff is here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/Programs/Faculty?College=CITCS And, as I stated in my original reply, they don't post their mails. I do my homework first. Really, it took me just seconds to find this address: em...@uc-bcf.edu.ph. I have just sent a message to that address requesting that it be routed to his instructor, Ms. Nancy M. Flores requesting clarification on this assignment, particularly whether it is considered outside the bounds of the assignment to contact the FreeBSD mailing list directly. I included the OP's original post to this group so as to eliminate any confusion on her part. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Bind Weirdness Logging
On 8/5/2011 9:40 AM, Mark Felder wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:15:21 -0500, Drew Tomlinson d...@mykitchentable.net wrote: Just recently, I noticed that my server can't resolve for some names. The ones I've noticed are for Microsoft domains, specifically go.microsoft.com and time.windows.com. For example: What kind of firewall stuff are you doing? Is it possible you're dropping the DNS replies when they're TCP? This happens when the reply is a certain size. Thanks Mark. That may have something to do with it. I upgraded my wireless router to a Linksys E3000 a couple of days ago which is also my firewall. This thing is a piece of crap! Lots of weirdness regarding port forwarding. Some works. Some doesn't. Tech support is worthless. I'm going to take it back and exchange for another. Hopefully a new one will work right. Anyway, put my previous router/firewall back in place and now my DNS server is able to resolve. Thus the firewalling thing was likely the problem. Any ideas on how to get Bind logging going? Cheers, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:17:13 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] least the the majority of this community can ascertain what the OP was trying to convey. Oh, so you speak on the majority of this community? Who seconds you? The fact is that there were 5 answers to the OP's questions 4 of which agree with me. So it is you that is wrong, and have anger management issues. [...] Interesting! Do != Help You do have a serious IQ deficiency. So, Man, you should really read up on nettiquette. What the fuck is all this personal insulting bullshit? Have I insulted you or the OP? Have YOU ever had an IQ test? You seem so obsessed with it, maybe you should get one. and get a psycho exam while you're at it. BTW, in fact my IQ was formally tested as part of hiring process in 2005, and that was before I discovered FBSD - imagine what it is now Sorry to disappoint you, but mine was actually not 2 but rather 133, that's 3 points higher than the highest average of 95% of the population. using your interpretation, the next time someone posts asking for help with a problem they have encountered with FreeBSD, you are going to assume that they want you to actually fix it for them rather then give them some verbal assistance or a link to a possible fix? Pathetic to say the least. [...] Really, it took me just seconds to find this address: em...@uc-bcf.edu.ph. I have just sent a message to that address requesting that it be routed to his instructor, Ms. Nancy M. Flores If you would actually do your homework instead of all this inflammatory material, Nacy Flores is the Dean of the IT College. It was just a pun, a joke, get it? is your brain even capable of comprehending a little humor? requesting clarification on this assignment, particularly whether it is considered outside the bounds of the assignment to contact the FreeBSD mailing list directly. I included the OP's original post to this group so as to eliminate any confusion on her part. what is your problem man? why are you so angry and making this personal? -- Alejandro -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: more information
If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Alejandro Imass Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:30 PM To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: more information On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:17:13 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] least the the majority of this community can ascertain what the OP was trying to convey. Oh, so you speak on the majority of this community? Who seconds you? The fact is that there were 5 answers to the OP's questions 4 of which agree with me. So it is you that is wrong, and have anger management issues. [...] Interesting! Do != Help You do have a serious IQ deficiency. So, Man, you should really read up on nettiquette. What the fuck is all this personal insulting bullshit? Have I insulted you or the OP? Have YOU ever had an IQ test? You seem so obsessed with it, maybe you should get one. and get a psycho exam while you're at it. BTW, in fact my IQ was formally tested as part of hiring process in 2005, and that was before I discovered FBSD - imagine what it is now Sorry to disappoint you, but mine was actually not 2 but rather 133, that's 3 points higher than the highest average of 95% of the population. using your interpretation, the next time someone posts asking for help with a problem they have encountered with FreeBSD, you are going to assume that they want you to actually fix it for them rather then give them some verbal assistance or a link to a possible fix? Pathetic to say the least. [...] Really, it took me just seconds to find this address: em...@uc-bcf.edu.ph. I have just sent a message to that address requesting that it be routed to his instructor, Ms. Nancy M. Flores If you would actually do your homework instead of all this inflammatory material, Nacy Flores is the Dean of the IT College. It was just a pun, a joke, get it? is your brain even capable of comprehending a little humor? requesting clarification on this assignment, particularly whether it is considered outside the bounds of the assignment to contact the FreeBSD mailing list directly. I included the OP's original post to this group so as to eliminate any confusion on her part. what is your problem man? why are you so angry and making this personal? -- Alejandro -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Here are some ideas: - Convince Americans to use their Debit cards instead of credit - Follow Thomas Jefferson's advice and dissolve the Fed - Re-read the Keynes v Hayek published inthe NY Times in 1932 - Do something about Bernard von NotHaus ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Bind Weirdness Logging
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:25:13 -0700 Drew Tomlinson articulated: On 8/5/2011 9:40 AM, Mark Felder wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:15:21 -0500, Drew Tomlinson d...@mykitchentable.net wrote: Just recently, I noticed that my server can't resolve for some names. The ones I've noticed are for Microsoft domains, specifically go.microsoft.com and time.windows.com. For example: What kind of firewall stuff are you doing? Is it possible you're dropping the DNS replies when they're TCP? This happens when the reply is a certain size. Thanks Mark. That may have something to do with it. I upgraded my wireless router to a Linksys E3000 a couple of days ago which is also my firewall. This thing is a piece of crap! Lots of weirdness regarding port forwarding. Some works. Some doesn't. Tech support is worthless. I'm going to take it back and exchange for another. Hopefully a new one will work right. Anyway, put my previous router/firewall back in place and now my DNS server is able to resolve. Thus the firewalling thing was likely the problem. Any ideas on how to get Bind logging going? I have experience with both the E3200 and E4200 models. I have not worked with an E3000 before though. In any case, they are both Wireless-N routers. FreeBSD does not play well with N wireless devices. In any case, have you tried doing a hard reset of the router and then rebooting it and then you system? In regards to tech support, at least in my experience with Linksys, if you don't ask a specific question you are not going to get anywhere. I have found e-mail support to be better or even the live support if available. In any case, you can and I have requested a new support representative and have received one. Sometimes it is just the individual whom you are talking to cannot understand the question correctly. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:37:30 -0500 Gary Gatten articulated: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Obviously, you are not well versed with Will Rogers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers. quote The way to make money is to buy stock at a low price, then when the price goes up, sell it. If the price doesn't go up, don't buy it. /quote -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: more information
If only it were that easy! And excellent example of circular logic / illogic. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:11 PM To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: more information On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:37:30 -0500 Gary Gatten articulated: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Obviously, you are not well versed with Will Rogers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers. quote The way to make money is to buy stock at a low price, then when the price goes up, sell it. If the price doesn't go up, don't buy it. /quote If only it were that easy! And excellent example of circular logic / illogic. font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Bind Weirdness Logging
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:25:13 -0500, Drew Tomlinson
d...@mykitchentable.net wrote:
Any ideas on how to get Bind logging going?
Here's how we do it.
named.conf:
logging {
channel my_syslog {
syslog daemon;
severity info;
//print-time yes;
//print-severity yes;
//print-category yes;
};
// below added for bind logging graphs
http://www.cs.ait.ac.th/laboratory/monitor/bind/modif.shtml
channel querylog {
// this is in a chroot, so it's actually at
/var/named/var/log/query.log
file /var/log/query.log versions 3 size 1m;
};
category queries { querylog; };
// don't log things that aren't our fault:
category lame-servers { null; };
category update { null; };
};
syslog.conf:
*.notice;authpriv.none;kern.debug;lpr.info;mail.crit;news.err;daemon.none
/var/log/messages
daemon.*/var/log/daemon.log
newsyslog.conf:
/var/log/daemon.log 644 7 *@T00 JC
This seems to work great for us. Logs are in /var/log/daemon.log and get
rotated.
Regards,
Mark
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Re: listing ZFS pool name in fixit mode
Hi, The problem was that I forgot to load the tws kernel module (for the 3ware raid controler). After I manually loaded the module, all was fine. Thx for the reply :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Bind Weirdness Logging
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:30:39 -0700 Drew Tomlinson articulated: Thank you Jerry. In my case, the FreeBSD boxes are hard wired so I don't think this will be a problem. I use the wireless for two Windows laptops, a Lexmark printer, and a Motorola Droid X. My specific issues with the E3000 were that even though remote management was properly configured and enabled, I could not access it remotely via https. I even tried disabling to SPI firewall with no success. Also in the single port forwarding, I had enabled the predefined SMTP service to point to my FreeBSD box on my local LAN. This worked. However I also enabled the predefined HTTP service to the same FreeBSD box and it wouldn't work. Additionally, I tried to forward some other ports as well like PPTP and IMAP/IMAPS but those wouldn't forward either. Using a packet sniffer on the PC on the Internet, I could see SYN packets leaving my PC but no ACKs returning. This same PC had no problems accessing all defined services with the old router in place. I had tried what I thought was a hard reset by pressing the reset button on the back of the e3000 and then reconfiguring. No luck. However I just read about a 30-30-30 reset on the DD-WRT wiki where you hold the reset for 30 sec, then power off for 30 sec, and then power on with reset pressed for another 30 sec. I'll try that when I get home. Otherwise this thing is going back to the store! Do you have any further suggestions? Off hand, no. I am assuming that you turned on https remote access in the router. Did you actually confirm that? I would suggest that you re-access your router and check it. If it is turned on, turn it off and save the setting then exit. Now reenter the router, re-enable the setting and save it. Now exit again. I have seen all types of devices, and I am sure you have also, that need to be tricked into working correctly. Did you configure the router to reserve the IP address of the FreeBSD box? If not, that could be a problem. I have seen it before. I am sure you have; however, are you absolutely sure you have the right IP addresses configured? Is DMZ turned on? If it is set to the FreeBSD box, turn off any other port forwarding to that box. If not, try turning it on and removing all the other port forwarding settings. See if it makes any difference. Without actually accessing the router all I can really do is guess. I do doubt that there is really a problem with it though; however, trying a new one might be a good idea. If possible, get the E4200 model. It is one bad ass router. Maybe someday FreeBSD will develop drivers for Wireless-N devices so that you can take advantage of its full potential. If all else fails, create a detailed BUG report and submitted it to linksys. It certainly cannot hurt and you might even get an answer directly from their tech department. One other idea, are you sure you have the latest firmware installed? It wouldn't hurt to double check. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Alternative windowmanagers
Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
Quoth Christian Barthel on Friday, 05 August 2011: Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. -- .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..O | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpEsM7ITEL2f.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
For me fluxbox is the way to go, since it is very light, has good key binding configuration and can be configured very easily. The only thing that I miss is the true transparency feature of Compiz, which can be quite useful sometimes, for example to quickly compare plots. Xfce is next on my list, since it got lots of features without being too heavy... On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
Christian Barthel wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? ### Aloha... I have used xfce3 since it came out years ago and it is sparce and fast with nothing unnecessary that you cant kill off. Very functional and no clutter or eye candy. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On 8/5/2011 3:12 PM, Christian Barthel wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? Christian, I'm usually a fluxbox fanatic, but lately, I've been messing with other WM's just for the hell of it. Never was a fan of Gnome, 1.x or 2.x and KDE was just fugly as all getout. But that's just my opinion :D. XFCE4 was always my second choice for a WM, slightly more feature rich but not bloated like Gnome/KDE. If you want to wrastle (yes wrastle!) with gnome-lite[3], that could be a possibility for you as well (it's lite because it doesn't pull in *all* of the deps of a full gnome2 install but you can accidentily pull them in by installing something else) I'm a minimalist at heart, even when I have to use Windows, I prefer EmergeDesktop[1] over the default windows shell. So that said, Fluxbox has always fit the bill as to being as minimalistic yet extensible as I needed it to be when I needed it to be. If your *seriously* hardcore, you can check out ratpoison[2] (good luck on that evilgrin) To be perfectly square about it, I honestly went and installed all kinds of Window Managers, Gnome, KDE (yes I still do occasionally try new releases), KFCE, fluxbox/openbox/blackbox as well as a few more obscure and less/non-maintained WM's such as e17 and the ever fabled e18/e19 beta builds and yes, I even tried ratpoison (just keep in mind that the last news even for it was Dec. of '09. Good lucj on your quest for a WM and maybe ... document it for us, others might learn something from your trials and tribulations. [1] http://www.emergedesktop.org [2] http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ [3] x11/gnome2-lite -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 03:43:46PM -0500, Alex Stangl wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Looks not as bloated as other wms. Where is the difference between xmonad and tmux ;) Alex ___ -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
TIOCGSERIAL?
Hi First, apologies if this is the wrong group to ask my question. I looked through all the group titles and this one looked suitable. The question is related to programming under FreeBSD. I have a certain device which can be hooked to a PC via RS232 connection. Since my PC does not have a true COM port, I am using an USB-COM converter, which contains the FTDI chip. I wrote a program to handle the communications via the /dev/cuaU0, and all this works very well. The device at the other end has an UART which is capable of wild variety of baudrates, including standard rates of 19200, 38400 and 57600 bits per second. In my program on FreeBSD I am using that last baudrate. However, the wild variety of baudrates which can be used includes also such baudrates as 88, 98, 110 kbps and the highest possible one is 126 kbps (note: no 115,2 kbps). I'd like to use 126 kbps instead of 57,6 kbps. Now, it is possible on Linux using ioctl(TIOCGSERIAL) and ioctl(TIOCSSERIAL). As I understand, using these you can very precisely control the serial baudrate on COM ports (or at least on USB ports with an USB-COM converter hooked up). Sadly, these do not seem available on FreeBSD. My question is: is there any equivalent of TIOCGSERIAL/TIOCSSERIAL available on FreeBSD, or maybe there is some special driver I could load and use? As I've written above, the USB- COM converter I use is the FTDI chip, but the uftdi module does not seem to provide such functionality. I do not want to write my own kernel module or FTDI device driver just for that purpose. The system is FreeBSD 6.4 but (judging from grep -r TIOCGSERIAL on /usr/include) this applies to 8.0 as well. Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: printing to Kyocera FS-1030D
On 05/08/2011 01:58, Warren Block wrote: On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Roland Smith wrote: There are several possible drivers you could use; pcl3 pxlmono pxlcolor. The gutenprint (a.k.a. gimp-print) driver also supports your printer directly. ljet4 is the PCL5 driver, and anything with PCL6 is supposed to also support PCL5. I'd suggest trying both ljet4 and pxlmono or pxlcolor and going with whichever is faster. However, I'd recommend that you take the time and install and configure CUPS. If CUPS is desired, sure. For just plain printing, lpr/lpd is often easier to set up. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Thanks everyone for your suggestions and sorry not to reply before, I have limited access to this printer. Replying here to everyone who responded with ideas... I tried pxlmono, ljet4 and pcl3 with this /etc/printcap lp|local line printer|Kyocera:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lpd:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ :if=/usr/local/libexec/if-simpleps: this filter #!/bin/sh #printf \033k2G || exit 2 /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=pxlmono\ -sOutputFile=- - exit 0 exit 2 and this command # lpr postscripttest.txt postscripttest.txt contains %!PS %100 100 moveto 300 300 lineto stroke %310 310 moveto /Helvetica findfont 12 scalefont setfont %( Is this thing working? ) show %showpage With all three drivers I got nothing out of the printer and nothing in lpd-errs. I installed some Kyocera software on a Windows computer and tried to change the emulation with it. I succeeded in setting it to have no default emulation but not to be set it to KPDL (the Kyocera version of PostScript). I rang Kyocera UK help line and they were very approachable (refreshing these days). They suggested I email and ask how to set the default emulation which I have done. It seems the printer normally receives some code as part of the print job which sets it to PS or whatever just for this job. If I could find out this code maybe I could write it into a filter. The printer is normally plugged into a Mac and I've found a utility which is supposed to change the default emulation. I hope to ask the printer owner to try it. I'm going to leave this now (I'm away for a few days) till I hear back from Kyocera and/or manage to get the default emulation set to KPDL. I did also try ijs and hpijs and that might still be worth pursuing but I will reply separately to Polytropons post. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alex Stangl a...@stangl.us wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Like xmonad, but written in C . . . scrotwm. Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:17:13PM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Exactly my point, thanks: With my humble IQ of 2, his e-mail reads Please do my homework for me. I'm actually not entirely certain what the querent's intent was at this point, but I think that providing the URI for a helpful guide to asking questions effectively is actually very pertinent and useful to the recipient, if that person has any interest in learning. If not, well, no harm done. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am It's a good thing you are not! IMHO awarding laziness is not a good thing. Laziness is its own reward, when it is properly applied. For instance, writing code to accomplish a task many times in the future so you do not have to go through the motions all those many times yourself is an exercise of laziness that turns out to be both very productive and very rewarding. That is why laziness is one of the three virtues of a programmer, along with impatience and hubris. Of course abused laziness -- basically pushing off work on others or doing a crappy job for lack of interest in putting in the time and effort to do it right -- is bad laziness, and not the kind of good laziness I just described. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpXqVl83jhBs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: printing to Kyocera FS-1030D
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011, Chris Whitehouse wrote: It seems the printer normally receives some code as part of the print job which sets it to PS or whatever just for this job. If I could find out this code maybe I could write it into a filter. The HP equivalent is PJL. Some searching suggests the FS-1030D supports PJL. HP printers also have an automatic mode, which looks at the first few characters of the print job and usually selects the right PDL. That might be an option with the Kyocera also. Here's a lightly-tested filter: #!/bin/sh # filter to wrap PJL commands around a PostScript file # WB 20110805 # send PJL header to switch to PostScript /usr/bin/printf \033%%-12345X@PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = POSTSCRIPT\n # send the PostScript file /bin/cat # end of job /usr/bin/printf \033%%-12345X ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:37:30PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Regarding IQ tests . . . there's not much point in comparing measurements. I've taken half a dozen or so IQ tests over the years. Among them, all but two have landed between 135 and 168, depending on the specific test, the scale used, what I had for breakfast that morning, my mood, the sort of uses to which I've put my brain in the year or two immediately preceding the test, my age, and numerous other factors. Those other two tests -- one of them came in under 100, and the other was off the charts to the tune of +30 or more, probably a lot more according to the guy scoring it. Add to that an SAT score from way back when the SATs actually measured aptitude and were considered suitable measures of IQ to qualify people for Mensa membership, with every single score I've gotten differing notably from all the rest, and the result seems obvious: Whatever each of you has for an IQ score from some test years ago, chances are good that if you took a test again you would get a wildly different result. . . . and let's not forget that deficiencies in some areas can drag your score down, while particular aptitudes can in others can drag it up, skewing the overall results in a way that might set unrealistic expectations one way or the other for judging general intelligence. Good at spacial relations, but bad at abstract logic? Maybe you'll end up confusing the hell out of people who think you're brilliant half the time and rock stupid the other half. As for your money lost to the market, you're going to have a tough time getting someone to tell you a foolproof way to get it back that does not involve time travel. If I had a pretty clear view of your investment patterns over the years that led to these losses, though, I could probably give you some halfway decent advice to avoid taking similar losses in the future. Unfortunately, it's much more difficult to predict future (safe) money-makers than to point out where someone is just gambling with market trends that represent aberrations rather than the consistent positive growth that they think it really represents, with a basic grasp of some driving economic principles. In general, my first piece of advice would be that you should never invest in something whose success you do not actually understand at the level of microeconomic principles. Next, consider the political landscape that might skew the effect of those principles. . . . and if you can do that, you should also be able to develop a pretty good intuition for dealing with security threats for your FreeBSD systems, because a lot of those threats are essentially the result of economic and political circumstances inspiring people to act according to their natures. Voila. By a long and circuitous route, I brought it back to the subject of FreeBSD. Do I get a cookie? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpibmZStSvrl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
scrotwm is my main wm, but I also like fluxbox. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alex Stangl a...@stangl.us wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Like xmonad, but written in C . . . scrotwm. Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:12:14 +0200 Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? If you like Fluxbox you might want to try OpenBox. -- Rod Person rodper...@rodperson.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Friday 05 August 2011 19:47:17 Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:37:30PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Regarding IQ tests . . . there's not much point in comparing measurements. I've taken half a dozen or so IQ tests over the years. Among them, all but two have landed between 135 and 168, depending on the specific test, the scale used, what I had for breakfast that morning, my mood, the sort of uses to which I've put my brain in the year or two immediately preceding the test, my age, and numerous other factors. Those other two tests -- one of them came in under 100, and the other was off the charts to the tune of +30 or more, probably a lot more according to the guy scoring it. Add to that an SAT score from way back when the SATs actually measured aptitude and were considered suitable measures of IQ to qualify people for Mensa membership, with every single score I've gotten differing notably from all the rest, and the result seems obvious: Whatever each of you has for an IQ score from some test years ago, chances are good that if you took a test again you would get a wildly different result. . . . and let's not forget that deficiencies in some areas can drag your score down, while particular aptitudes can in others can drag it up, skewing the overall results in a way that might set unrealistic expectations one way or the other for judging general intelligence. Good at spacial relations, but bad at abstract logic? Maybe you'll end up confusing the hell out of people who think you're brilliant half the time and rock stupid the other half. As for your money lost to the market, you're going to have a tough time getting someone to tell you a foolproof way to get it back that does not involve time travel. If I had a pretty clear view of your investment patterns over the years that led to these losses, though, I could probably give you some halfway decent advice to avoid taking similar losses in the future. Unfortunately, it's much more difficult to predict future (safe) money-makers than to point out where someone is just gambling with market trends that represent aberrations rather than the consistent positive growth that they think it really represents, with a basic grasp of some driving economic principles. In general, my first piece of advice would be that you should never invest in something whose success you do not actually understand at the level of microeconomic principles. Next, consider the political landscape that might skew the effect of those principles. . . . and if you can do that, you should also be able to develop a pretty good intuition for dealing with security threats for your FreeBSD systems, because a lot of those threats are essentially the result of economic and political circumstances inspiring people to act according to their natures. Voila. By a long and circuitous route, I brought it back to the subject of FreeBSD. Do I get a cookie? Yeah, Chad! and crispy one indeed. This IQ thing is really boring. Luckily, I never had to take an IQ test but I know that some people who took them didn't have an option. It was either it or the job. But actually, I'm not even curious about it. It is much more appealing to me to spend time studying and learning new things about FreeBSD for instance, than to spend time, as short as it may be, trying to find out how big my brain d**k is. A lazy bum with an IQ of 2000 is worthless while an energetic jack ass with an IQ of -100 at least can be used to pull a chariot or something. IQ tests can't point out character and diligence. Psychological profiles may do that but that's for another troll. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:12:14PM +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As I recall, he made the switch from KDE to GNOME because of KDE 4 being a steaming turd, too. He must be getting tired of his favorite desktop environments going south on him. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. With these preferences, I wonder why you ever used GNOME at all. I commend your evolving preferences, though. I, too, like a window manager that stays out of my way and offers what I need to boost productivity rather than to coddle a desire for bells and whistles. Spinning cubes, menu fade effects, and panels/bars/docks strewn about the edges of my display do not serve those needs. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Fluxbox is definitely a step in the direction you seem to want to take with your future selection of window managers. It tends to be very intuitive to people who are familiar with the Windows, Icons, Menus, and Pointers model, including taskbars -- even though it does not by default support desktop icons (thank goodness). As a way to move toward less cluttered working environments, it is something I am often compelled to recommend for those who are used to the common style of UI dominated by panels/bars/docks and menus. I don't think of Fluxbox as a destination, though, so much as a stepping stone. Are there any other window manager worth looking? FreeBSD, last I checked, has a rare window manager called AHWM in ports. For floating window environments that interact well with the mouse, but are lightweight, with heavy support for keyboard-driven operation (in fact it leaves menu management up to third-party utilities, and otherwise assumes you will configure keyboard shortcuts; I skipped the menu and went with the keyboard shortcuts for everything), it is about as good and get-out-of-the-way efficient as a window manager can get. I'd bet money it involves fewer lines of code, smaller binary size, fewer dependencies, and smaller memory footprint than your terminal emulator; it's fast, stable, and flexible, and pretty much offers no eye candy at all whatsoever. After a long path from KDE through a dozen or so window managers over the years, I ended up with AHWM in 2005 or 2006, and stuck with it until the beginning of this year. As floating window environments go, it is easily my favorite window manager, period. This year, though, I finally started using a tiling window manager heavily. What is your window manager? I use i3 these days. It has some similarities to wmii, but i3 is pretty much the ideal introductory window manager for someone new to tiling window managers. That doesn't mean it's only good for beginners, though; it's really quite nice in its own right. If you aren't ready for a tiling window manager, or just don't like the tiling model, I refer you back to Fluxbox and AHWM, depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. I hope that helps. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpOlrLjuDqy5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:12:14PM +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As I recall, he made the switch from KDE to GNOME because of KDE 4 being a steaming turd, too. He must be getting tired of his favorite desktop environments going south on him. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. With these preferences, I wonder why you ever used GNOME at all. I commend your evolving preferences, though. I, too, like a window manager that stays out of my way and offers what I need to boost productivity rather than to coddle a desire for bells and whistles. Spinning cubes, menu fade effects, and panels/bars/docks strewn about the edges of my display do not serve those needs. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Fluxbox is definitely a step in the direction you seem to want to take with your future selection of window managers. It tends to be very intuitive to people who are familiar with the Windows, Icons, Menus, and Pointers model, including taskbars -- even though it does not by default support desktop icons (thank goodness). As a way to move toward less cluttered working environments, it is something I am often compelled to recommend for those who are used to the common style of UI dominated by panels/bars/docks and menus. I don't think of Fluxbox as a destination, though, so much as a stepping stone. Are there any other window manager worth looking? FreeBSD, last I checked, has a rare window manager called AHWM in ports. For floating window environments that interact well with the mouse, but are lightweight, with heavy support for keyboard-driven operation (in fact it leaves menu management up to third-party utilities, and otherwise assumes you will configure keyboard shortcuts; I skipped the menu and went with the keyboard shortcuts for everything), it is about as good and get-out-of-the-way efficient as a window manager can get. I'd bet money it involves fewer lines of code, smaller binary size, fewer dependencies, and smaller memory footprint than your terminal emulator; it's fast, stable, and flexible, and pretty much offers no eye candy at all whatsoever. After a long path from KDE through a dozen or so window managers over the years, I ended up with AHWM in 2005 or 2006, and stuck with it until the beginning of this year. As floating window environments go, it is easily my favorite window manager, period. This year, though, I finally started using a tiling window manager heavily. What is your window manager? I use i3 these days. It has some similarities to wmii, but i3 is pretty much the ideal introductory window manager for someone new to tiling window managers. That doesn't mean it's only good for beginners, though; it's really quite nice in its own right. If you aren't ready for a tiling window manager, or just don't like the tiling model, I refer you back to Fluxbox and AHWM, depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. I hope that helps. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] fvwm2 anytime. -- Frosty-456 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 11:07:39PM +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 03:43:46PM -0500, Alex Stangl wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Looks not as bloated as other wms. Where is the difference between xmonad and tmux ;) X Window System vs. console. Also, Haskell. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp8RH341Z1hC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:08:25PM -0400, Rod Person wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:12:14 +0200 Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? If you like Fluxbox you might want to try OpenBox. Nah. Stick with Fluxbox. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp30VPyQLSeN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 05:27:05PM -0700, Ivan Frosty wrote: fvwm2 anytime. I suppose that's an option, but it's kinda bloated for my tastes. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgptoyCWFY7xm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:08:25PM -0400, Rod Person wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:12:14 +0200 Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? If you like Fluxbox you might want to try OpenBox. Nah. Stick with Fluxbox. Sorry, but why? I went with OpenBox, because it seemed like it was under current development, and Fluxbox is stagnant, otherwise, I didn't see much difference. But I do find it curious that so many on this thread are recommending Fluxbox, and almost no one OpenBox. What would be the reason? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
top(1) loses process user time count when threads end
I have the process that first runs in 3 threads but later two active threads exit. top(1) shows this moment this way (1 sec intervals): 30833 yuri3 760 4729M 4225M nanslp 4 0:32 88.62% app 30833 yuri3 760 4729M 4225M nanslp 6 0:34 90.92% app 30833 yuri1 960 4729M 4225M CPU11 0:03 1.17% app 30833 yuri1 980 4729M 4226M CPU11 0:04 12.89% app Process time goes down: 0:34 - 0:03. Also WCPU goes down 90.92% - 1.17% even though this process is CPU bound and does intense things right after threads exit. getrusage(2) though, called in the process, shows the correct user time. I think this is the major bug in the process time accounting. 8.2-STABLE Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
