Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:28:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote: You cannot even get a decent N - protocol wireless device, or even a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the rest of the world has had working solutions for 5 years. What the hell are they waiting for -- the second coming of the invisible man in the sky? Friggin PATHETIC. IEEE 802.11n-2009 was only published 2 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n-2009#Timeline Can we have enough of you whining about no n? Thanks. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html pgpWGa1H3T9hm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.3.31 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)
2011/10/25 David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.com: Hi, Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.3.31 have been uploaded to mediafire [2] and the wine-fbsd64.diff patch has been updated. There is a known UDP related problem with wine (see http://markmail.org/message/i7rtfz7uxd5s4fvl for details). To date there has been 1217 (+70) downloads from mediafire. The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessable). Please read the installation messages for further information. $ sudo pkg_add Downloads/wine-fbsd64-1.3.31,1.txz tar: /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. A NVIDIA GRAPHICS DRIVER HAS BEEN DETECTED ON THIS SYSTEM AND THE AUTOMATED PATCHING HAS FAILED, execute (as root) sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh to get 2D/3D acceleration to work with the nvidia driver. Without this wine will crash when a program requires 2D/3D graphics acceleration. [...] $ file /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh: cannot open `/usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh' (No such file or directory) $ tar tf Downloads/wine-fbsd64-1.3.31,1.txz | grep -C 2 nvidia bin32/wmc bin32/wrc usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh share/wine/fonts/coue1255.fon share/wine/fonts/coue1256.fon The problem here seems to be the trailing usr/local/ for patch-nvidia.sh file, which get actually installed into $PREFIX/usr/local/share/wine instead of $PREFIX/share/wine Regards, Romain PD: I used the fbsd9 package. md5 is ok. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
[OFFTOPIC] Solution for school lab
Hi, I am about to setup a small PC lab for teaching operating systems. Since computers will need to be used for teaching Windows/Unix(FreeBsd)/Linux(Novell) I need to find a way: 1. Systems to coexists on the same hardware 2. Easily restore system images to the initial state. I do not want we to turn into Windows only lab.I was thinking in for some Citrix solutions but I wonder if there is other way we can accomplish this task. Thanks in advance. Peter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Solution for school lab
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:01:20 +0200 Peter pe...@aboutsupport.com wrote: Hi, I am about to setup a small PC lab for teaching operating systems. Since computers will need to be used for teaching Windows/Unix(FreeBsd)/Linux(Novell) I need to find a way: 1. Systems to coexists on the same hardware 2. Easily restore system images to the initial state. I do not want we to turn into Windows only lab.I was thinking in for some Citrix solutions but I wonder if there is other way we can accomplish this task. Thanks in advance. Peter For 1. you can always setup triple-boot machines, for 2. you can use Clonezilla, for instance. -- Rares Aioanei ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Solution for school lab
On 30 Oct 2011, at 10:01, Peter wrote: Hi, I am about to setup a small PC lab for teaching operating systems. Since computers will need to be used for teaching Windows/Unix(FreeBsd)/Linux(Novell) I need to find a way: 1. Systems to coexists on the same hardware 2. Easily restore system images to the initial state. Diskless booting perhaps, along the lines of this project at ICL in London. http://www.ukuug.org/newsletter/19.2/#hpc_f_andy_ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:25:11 + Frank Shute articulated: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:28:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote: You cannot even get a decent N - protocol wireless device, or even a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the rest of the world has had working solutions for 5 years. What the hell are they waiting for -- the second coming of the invisible man in the sky? Friggin PATHETIC. IEEE 802.11n-2009 was only published 2 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n-2009#Timeline Can we have enough of you whining about no n? Thanks. I was using the early draft 'N' protocol devices 5 years ago. Obviously not in a FreeBSD environment. The time to start planning for change is not when it slams you in the face, but rather anticipating it and being prepared. There is no way any individual can claim that they were not aware this was happening. Now, as you pointed out IEEE 802.11n-2009 was only published 2 years ago. So what is your point -- that we should wait another 5 years before addressing the problem? I am serious here; give me a time frame. Then post it on the FreeBSD web site so potential users will be aware of this deficiency. Or perhaps it is your belief that we should skip over this protocol entirely and wait until the Q or whatever letter is designated protocol is released. After all, it just stands to reason that at some time in the future someone will devise a faster and/or more secure method of wireless transmission. The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even some of them are exempt, now come with N protocol wireless devices. Any user who purchases one of these devices and plans on employing a wireless network finds him/her self at a disadvantage. Their options are to use a better OS, or buy and install a cheap G protocol device. That is like buying a new car and slapping a ten year old motor in it. I actually up to a few years ago had three FreeBSD machines hooked up on my network not counting three separate laptops. I now only have one machine because of the lack of suitable drivers. Once I get ambitious this spring and rip out the last vestiges of hard wiring, that unit will be gone too if drivers aren't available. Then I might try Ubuntu. Their developers apparently do care about their user base. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even some of them are exempt, now come with N protocol wireless devices. Instead of devoting so much time and energy whining about the problem here on-list, even though you know full well that we can't do anything about it for known reasons... why won't you lobby the manufacturers of N devices, so that they either open their specs, so we can write a driver, or at least release binary blobs compatible with FreeBSD? Wouldn't that be more productive? You're very outspoken on some aspects, so put that rhetorical skill to good use and contact the major wireless chipset vendors; and then follow up with them if you don't get the reply you want, just as you do here on-list. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.3.31 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)
Hi Romain, Thank you for the report. I will address this over the coming week and update the packages. In the interim, the packages will work for both nvidia and non-nvidia users except nvidia users will need to run patch-nvidia-wine.sh (from mediafire) manually... Regards On 30 October 2011 13:07, Romain Garbage romain.garb...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/25 David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.com: Hi, Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.3.31 have been uploaded to mediafire [2] and the wine-fbsd64.diff patch has been updated. There is a known UDP related problem with wine (see http://markmail.org/message/i7rtfz7uxd5s4fvl for details). To date there has been 1217 (+70) downloads from mediafire. The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessable). Please read the installation messages for further information. $ sudo pkg_add Downloads/wine-fbsd64-1.3.31,1.txz tar: /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. A NVIDIA GRAPHICS DRIVER HAS BEEN DETECTED ON THIS SYSTEM AND THE AUTOMATED PATCHING HAS FAILED, execute (as root) sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh to get 2D/3D acceleration to work with the nvidia driver. Without this wine will crash when a program requires 2D/3D graphics acceleration. [...] $ file /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh: cannot open `/usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh' (No such file or directory) $ tar tf Downloads/wine-fbsd64-1.3.31,1.txz | grep -C 2 nvidia bin32/wmc bin32/wrc usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh share/wine/fonts/coue1255.fon share/wine/fonts/coue1256.fon The problem here seems to be the trailing usr/local/ for patch-nvidia.sh file, which get actually installed into $PREFIX/usr/local/share/wine instead of $PREFIX/share/wine Regards, Romain PD: I used the fbsd9 package. md5 is ok. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:59:58 +0100 C. P. Ghost articulated: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even some of them are exempt, now come with N protocol wireless devices. Instead of devoting so much time and energy whining about the problem here on-list, even though you know full well that we can't do anything about it for known reasons... why won't you lobby the manufacturers of N devices, so that they either open their specs, so we can write a driver, or at least release binary blobs compatible with FreeBSD? Wouldn't that be more productive? You're very outspoken on some aspects, so put that rhetorical skill to good use and contact the major wireless chipset vendors; and then follow up with them if you don't get the reply you want, just as you do here on-list. Seriously, are you so naive that you believe that his is the only venue I use to express my feeling on these matters? I have been pestering several corporations for over two years now. I have even spoken to several of their representatives, including a developer from Brother recently in regards to making drivers easily available to operating systems other than Microsoft, and usually a few flavors of Linux. The contact I had at Brother was actually a Linux user himself. In all cases, no matter what the device I was inquiring about was, the standard answer was that they -- meaning the OEM -- could not see any upside to investing in the development and maintenance of drivers for a community as fragmented as the non-windows frontier. A few actually told me to use Linux instead since they did offer some support for that architecture. One company, I believe it was Cisco, told me that FreeBSD does not support the system calls it needs to make its devices work correctly. I am not a system engineer and since he was talking above my head I just let it go. However, considering that nVidia had to wait years for FreeBSD to mature enough for it to get its drivers functional under this environment I can easily believe that there is more than a grain of truth to the statement. As for releasing technical details, etcetera, I was told point blank that such information was confidential and would not be released. Now that I can at least agree with. Unlike many socialists, I don't believe in working my ass off, spending X amount of dollars and then just giving my work away freely to every dirt bag to clone. I write several major vendors on a monthly basic. Sometimes even using different names so they might falsely believe that there is a larger base than actually exists to request support. Now, suppose you were to join me. Perhaps a few thousand other users, in other words all the FreeBSD base, and wrote on a bi-weekly schedule to a targeted vendor base requesting support. I will be happy to supply my own personal list and compile other pertinent vendor's names address's as well. The only problem I see with this approach is maintaining continued group support. The tendency of people to just give up and quite is self evident. Now, as you might have noticed I don't suffer from that trait. It is the primary difference between an Alpha male and one who just bends over and takes it. In any event Ghost, contact me if you want to help, just don't expect to get any followers. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:48:08 -0400, Jerry wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:59:58 +0100 C. P. Ghost articulated: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even some of them are exempt, now come with N protocol wireless devices. Instead of devoting so much time and energy whining about the problem here on-list, even though you know full well that we can't do anything about it for known reasons... why won't you lobby the manufacturers of N devices, so that they either open their specs, so we can write a driver, or at least release binary blobs compatible with FreeBSD? Wouldn't that be more productive? You're very outspoken on some aspects, so put that rhetorical skill to good use and contact the major wireless chipset vendors; and then follow up with them if you don't get the reply you want, just as you do here on-list. Seriously, are you so naive that you believe that his is the only venue I use to express my feeling on these matters? I have been pestering several corporations for over two years now. I have even spoken to several of their representatives, including a developer from Brother recently in regards to making drivers easily available to operating systems other than Microsoft, and usually a few flavors of Linux. The contact I had at Brother was actually a Linux user himself. Actually, Jerry has a point here. The N networking devices have similarities with modern printers in this regards. While developing compatible intelligency in the devices itself is a cost factor of O(n), moving this intelligency to software is O(1). For those not familiar with my abuse of the O notation: O(n) means linear: The more devices are produced, the more chips need to be made. In case of printers, those chips control paper feed and ink pee, as well as scanner, imaging, local buffer storage, data transfer and so on. O(1) means constant: Only one set of driver will have to be developed, one for each Windows product line and architecture that's intended to be supported. The whole intelligence is in there, and data transfered to the device will control it directly, maybe even unbuffered. From a business point of view, investing O(1) in development vs. getting O(n) revenue sounds very interesting. What I said regarding printer devices seems to apply to wireless networking too. The cheaper the better. There is no intention of continued use in there, as this does not benefit sales. If hardware could be re-used, what reason would home consumers (main target area!) have to buy something new that basically provides the same functionality? The more unit sales, the lower the price, and therefore a wider-spread product spectrum. Of course, the downside is that the possibilities of use are limited, but again, that's what customers have been trained to require. One company, I believe it was Cisco, told me that FreeBSD does not support the system calls it needs to make its devices work correctly. I am not a system engineer and since he was talking above my head I just let it go. It _may_ be possible that Cisco depends on Linuxisms here, maybe things like *64() calls, like fstat64() vs. fstat(). I'm not a Cisco engineer, so this is just a very wild guess. Doesn't have it may refer to advanced technology as well as to legacy one. As for releasing technical details, etcetera, I was told point blank that such information was confidential and would not be released. Now that I can at least agree with. Of course, it is their right to do so, will all the implications. The confidentiality could also be a means to hide the fact that devices come with planned obsolescence or are intended to spy at users (such as it is quite easily possible with Windows and a webcam). Other reasons could be secret contracts with companies or governments for a data exchange, you're getting the idea. But as this cannot be proven properly at the moment, just leave this point mentioned as is. Unlike many socialists, I don't believe in working my ass off, spending X amount of dollars and then just giving my work away freely to every dirt bag to clone. If this is not your attitude, well, fine, and fully okay. However this is not everyones attitude as some want to improve computers and operating systems for free, as they see it a chance to do something FOR the society. The possibility to make money with tools provided for free is a thing of licensing. You know that FreeBSD allows its users to create own products with it, even turn _them_ into something proprietary and then sell them. This is a good idea from a CAPITALIST point of view, i. e. take it for 0, sell it for $$$. And why not? Because the licensing terms don't prohibit it. This is also a chance for innovation, for individuals finding their future on a free market. If this way of
question regarding style(9) and field initialisers in structs
hi there,
i found hundreds of the following cases in the FreeBSD src:
[...]
struct periph_driver {
periph_init_func_t init;
char*driver_name;
TAILQ_HEAD(,cam_periph) units;
u_int generation;
u_int flags;
#define CAM_PERIPH_DRV_EARLY0x01
};
[...]
static struct periph_driver dadriver =
{
dainit, da,
TAILQ_HEAD_INITIALIZER(dadriver.units), /* generation */ 0
};
...is it proper programming practice to forget about the last field, if it
would have been initialised to 0?
cheers.
alex
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Solution for school lab
I use a solution that is: 1) a large Freebsd box (phenon X4,8Gb of memory, 1TB disk) 2) OS=Freebsd 8.2 with all gnome2.32 installed 3) Virtualbox 10.x installed in FreeBSD 4) NT 2003 server with unlimited number of users on rdp (the iso is in internet or torrent). 5) internet connection Here this would cost about US$400 Install the system using zfs, insert all users can hold about 1000 users Setup FreeBSD to boot diskless (and so will run on all the old machines in your place) using either pxe or custom CD. The users will use Gnome interface, and those who wants windows, can use via rdesktop, pointing on the NT server on the same machine. You will need a swith with ONE gigabit port, and the others is 100Mbits... This setup you have: about 1200 applictions (from the FreBSDports), some include: java, eclipse, python, c, c++, multimedia, web browing, office, printing, email, chat, calculator, vector drawing, dia (visio), raster image editor (gimp), monodevelop(.NET devel framework), sql (postgresql), sql administration (pgadmin3). Reliable, fast, rock solid, central administration... It just works [] Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Solution for school lab
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: I use a solution that is: 1) a large Freebsd box (phenon X4,8Gb of memory, 1TB disk) 2) OS=Freebsd 8.2 with all gnome2.32 installed 3) Virtualbox 10.x installed in FreeBSD 4) NT 2003 server with unlimited number of users on rdp (the iso is in internet or torrent). 5) internet connection Here this would cost about US$400 Install the system using zfs, insert all users can hold about 1000 users Setup FreeBSD to boot diskless (and so will run on all the old machines in your place) using either pxe or custom CD. The users will use Gnome interface, and those who wants windows, can use via rdesktop, pointing on the NT server on the same machine. You will need a swith with ONE gigabit port, and the others is 100Mbits... This setup you have: about 1200 applictions (from the FreBSDports), some include: java, eclipse, python, c, c++, multimedia, web browing, office, printing, email, chat, calculator, vector drawing, dia (visio), raster image editor (gimp), monodevelop(.NET devel framework), sql (postgresql), sql administration (pgadmin3). Reliable, fast, rock solid, central administration... It just works Consider installing VMWare ESXi and instances of whatever operating system you like. We have template operating systems we copy to new/replacement instances. You can export your disks to the instances but with all things you gain some, you loose some. As someone else mentioned, consider netboot. The booted instance can do whatever they want to your hardware but disks are likely to have to be re-initialized each time, which is fine if you are using disks for swap and other temporary things. With regard to VirtualBox, someone needs to fix it (probably just update the port). The network driver (IIRC) eats memory. [] Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
idletime in login.conf
List, Goal: Automatically logoff users that are idle after 'x' minutes. Attempt: I added this to /etc/login.conf to the default login class: :idletime=10m: I then rebuilt the database: cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf Problem: It doesn't work. The 'w' command shows users idle for 20 minutes or more. I'm missing something. Other than an autologout shell variables, how do I force idle users to logout? Thanks. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Solution for school lab
Consider installing VMWare ESXi and instances of whatever operating system you like. We have template operating systems we copy to new/replacement instances. You can export your disks to the instances but with all things you gain some, you loose some. with the small machine (phenon 4, 8Gb), and vmware, the sistems is slow... and the MB does not accept more than 8GB. Besides I would need a version of each operating system for VMWARE.. and I do not know if vmware can be used for free. If even in a school you can, in other places you cannot, so I would cope with several platforms... Here I run a business based on FreeBSD, and the less different solutions the better... As someone else mentioned, consider netboot. The booted instance can do whatever they want to your hardware but disks are likely to have to be re-initialized each time, which is fine if you are using disks for swap and other temporary things. I use PXE because it is in the firmware of the MB... (almost always have)... some very old computers, does not boot anything but: floppy, cd, or HD... I choose CD.. one CD, boot all machines... Netboot is great too... With regard to VirtualBox, someone needs to fix it (probably just update the port). The network driver (IIRC) eats memory. Strange I have been using it in a day basis, and never had problems with that... the machine sometimes suffer power failure (3 months, or 1 month period).. I use FreeBSD 8.2 in zfs... with zmirror, and daylly snapshots... so I can go back anything till 5 days ago... Anyway, thanks for the information [] Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
The ports are really funcional?
What happens is that I tried to install things on the ports, but almost no one serves me, I've only been able to install firefox, I tried also install KDE, GNOME and KFCE, but I have been many errors, commonly solocionables, for example I had to modify REFRESH to true, but also to get out other errors, commonly have a solution, but is a great problem to have to spend all his time fixing bugs. Please tell me if it is natural to every time I download large modifying ports so, if so, then why say functional? Zantgo___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
IPsec woes in 8.2
I've been trying to upgrade a client firewall to 8.2, but have an odd problem. The current config, based on 7.4, has the firewall as an IPsec endpoint for other offices, but also is doing 1:1 NAT and passing L2TP traffic to a VPN endpoint inside the firewall. The upgrade to 8.2 breaks the L2TP traffic through the firewall. I see the ISAKMP traffic, phase 1 and phase 2, but the UDP-encap: ESP packets seen on the outside of the firewall are no longer passed through, as evidence by the following (sorry for obscuring the public IP addresses, you can still read it). Any suggestions? reading from file l2tp_inside_capture.pcap.pcap, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet) 13:21:51.554271 IP A.B.C.D.32201 172.17.1.107.500: isakmp: phase 1 I ident 13:21:51.555192 IP 172.17.1.107.500 A.B.C.D.32201: isakmp: phase 1 R ident 13:21:51.576756 IP A.B.C.D.32201 172.17.1.107.500: isakmp: phase 1 I ident 13:21:51.581808 IP 172.17.1.107.500 A.B.C.D.32201: isakmp: phase 1 R ident 13:21:51.600743 IP A.B.C.D.37762 172.17.1.107.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 1 I ident[E] 13:21:51.601082 IP 172.17.1.107.4500 A.B.C.D.37762: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 1 R ident[E] 13:21:52.617401 IP A.B.C.D.37762 172.17.1.107.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others I oakley-quick[E] 13:21:52.618170 IP 172.17.1.107.4500 A.B.C.D.37762: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others R oakley-quick[E] 13:21:52.629397 IP A.B.C.D.37762 172.17.1.107.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others I oakley-quick[E] 13:22:11.776889 IP 172.17.1.107.4500 A.B.C.D.37762: isakmp-nat-keep-alive 13:22:12.642584 IP A.B.C.D.37762 172.17.1.107.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others I inf[E] 13:22:12.642586 IP A.B.C.D.37762 172.17.1.107.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others I inf[E] reading from file l2tp_outside_capture.pcap.pcap, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet) 13:21:51.470254 IP A.B.C.D.32201 E.F.G.H.500: isakmp: phase 1 I ident 13:21:51.558259 IP E.F.G.H.500 A.B.C.D.32201: isakmp: phase 1 R ident 13:21:51.577845 IP A.B.C.D.32201 E.F.G.H.500: isakmp: phase 1 I ident 13:21:51.584205 IP E.F.G.H.500 A.B.C.D.32201: isakmp: phase 1 R ident 13:21:51.602096 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 1 I ident[E] 13:21:51.603197 IP E.F.G.H.4500 A.B.C.D.37762: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 1 R ident[E] 13:21:52.618053 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others I oakley-quick[E] 13:21:52.620045 IP E.F.G.H.4500 A.B.C.D.37762: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others R oakley-quick[E] 13:21:52.630504 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others I oakley-quick[E] 13:21:52.632112 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x08278f54,seq=0x1), length 116 13:21:53.255200 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x08278f54,seq=0x2), length 116 13:21:55.255914 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x08278f54,seq=0x3), length 116 13:21:59.256397 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x08278f54,seq=0x4), length 116 13:22:07.257594 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x08278f54,seq=0x5), length 116 13:22:12.193516 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: isakmp-nat-keep-alive 13:22:12.643129 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others I inf[E] 13:22:12.643841 IP A.B.C.D.37762 E.F.G.H.4500: NONESP-encap: isakmp: phase 2/others I inf[E] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The ports are really funcional?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Zantgo wrote: What happens is that I tried to install things on the ports, but almost no one serves me, I've only been able to install firefox, I tried also install KDE, GNOME and KFCE, but I have been many errors, commonly solocionables, for example I had to modify REFRESH to true, but also to get out other errors, commonly have a solution, but is a great problem to have to spend all his time fixing bugs. Please tell me if it is natural to every time I download large modifying ports so, if so, then why say functional? Yes, ports work well. From the description, it's difficult to tell what is causing the problem. Please supply additional information, like what version of FreeBSD and the exact output of one of the errors (script(1) is useful for that). Also see the section in the Handbook about packages and ports: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html Translations of the Handbook can be found at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ in the books subdirectory. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The ports are really funcional?
El 30-10-2011, a las 19:55, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com escribió: On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Zantgo wrote: What happens is that I tried to install things on the ports, but almost no one serves me, I've only been able to install firefox, I tried also install KDE, GNOME and KFCE, but I have been many errors, commonly solocionables, for example I had to modify REFRESH to true, but also to get out other errors, commonly have a solution, but is a great problem to have to spend all his time fixing bugs. Please tell me if it is natural to every time I download large modifying ports so, if so, then why say functional? Yes, ports work well. From the description, it's difficult to tell what is causing the problem. Please supply additional information, like what version of FreeBSD and the exact output of one of the errors (script(1) is useful for that). Also see the section in the Handbook about packages and ports: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html Translations of the Handbook can be found at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ in the books subdirectory. the problem is not the problem, since most are solving the problem is that there are many errors and problems, then as I say it is stable and functional?___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Solution for school lab
On 30/10/2011 10:01, Peter wrote: Hi, I am about to setup a small PC lab for teaching operating systems. Since computers will need to be used for teaching Windows/Unix(FreeBsd)/Linux(Novell) I need to find a way: 1. Systems to coexists on the same hardware 2. Easily restore system images to the initial state. 1) A very robust if slightly more expensive way is a separate disk for each OS. Many more recent (last 3 or 4 years?) motherboards have an option during POST to choose a boot device so you don't need to go into the BIOS setup screens. This system has the advantage that OS's are completely separate from each other. 2) Clonezilla. (Not very relevant aside... Back in the day of pentium 1's and 2 dual channel IDE controllers I solved this same problem with 3 hard disks, each set to be master, on a home made IDE cable with an extra connector so the three disks were plugged into the primary controller, and a 3 position rotary switch so only one disk would power up at a time. It took a bit of experimentation to find three disks that could coexist but it worked really well as long as one didn't switch over while the machine was on. I think I had FreeBSD, Windows and Netware). Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The ports are really funcional?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Zantgo wrote: El 30-10-2011, a las 19:55, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com escribi?: On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Zantgo wrote: What happens is that I tried to install things on the ports, but almost no one serves me, I've only been able to install firefox, I tried also install KDE, GNOME and KFCE, but I have been many errors, commonly solocionables, for example I had to modify REFRESH to true, but also to get out other errors, commonly have a solution, but is a great problem to have to spend all his time fixing bugs. Please tell me if it is natural to every time I download large modifying ports so, if so, then why say functional? Yes, ports work well. From the description, it's difficult to tell what is causing the problem. Please supply additional information, like what version of FreeBSD and the exact output of one of the errors (script(1) is useful for that). Also see the section in the Handbook about packages and ports: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html Translations of the Handbook can be found at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ in the books subdirectory. the problem is not the problem, since most are solving the problem is that there are many errors and problems, then as I say it is stable and functional? The ports system is stable and functional for others, including me, so what needs to be figured out is the source of problems on your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The ports are really funcional?
u . . . this person has been doing similar hold-my-hand-I-do-not-want-to-take-the-time kinda thing on the oBSD lists recently. On 10/30/11, Zantgo zan...@gmail.com wrote: El 30-10-2011, a las 19:55, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com escribió: On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Zantgo wrote: What happens is that I tried to install things on the ports, but almost no one serves me, I've only been able to install firefox, I tried also install KDE, GNOME and KFCE, but I have been many errors, commonly solocionables, for example I had to modify REFRESH to true, but also to get out other errors, commonly have a solution, but is a great problem to have to spend all his time fixing bugs. Please tell me if it is natural to every time I download large modifying ports so, if so, then why say functional? Yes, ports work well. From the description, it's difficult to tell what is causing the problem. Please supply additional information, like what version of FreeBSD and the exact output of one of the errors (script(1) is useful for that). Also see the section in the Handbook about packages and ports: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html Translations of the Handbook can be found at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ in the books subdirectory. the problem is not the problem, since most are solving the problem is that there are many errors and problems, then as I say it is stable and functional?___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The ports are really funcional?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:19:16 -0300, Zantgo wrote: What happens is that I tried to install things on the ports, but almost no one serves me, I've only been able to install firefox, I tried also install KDE, GNOME and KFCE, but I have been many errors, commonly solocionables, for example I had to modify REFRESH to true, but also to get out other errors, commonly have a solution, but is a great problem to have to spend all his time fixing bugs. Please tell me if it is natural to every time I download large modifying ports so, if so, then why say functional? For better diagnostics, please provide the commands you've run as well as the (last parts containing the errors) of the output. You did already get good suggestions on what to read about how to properly use the ports infrastructure. You should not need to define any variables (except those you intendedly want to change according to your needs for program modification). I'm not familiar with $REFRESH, what does this do? Maybe using precompiled packages (via pkg_add -r name) would be a better solution here? Oh, and don't miss to read man ports, it's very informative! Regarding the ports collection's functionality: It's VERY functional and works nearly flawlessly (until, of course, a port is broken, but this happens only a very few times). Maybe you should search things like working Internet connection and proper usage on your side. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The ports are really funcional?
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Zantgo zan...@gmail.com wrote: What happens is that I tried to install things on the ports, but almost no one serves me, I've only been able to install firefox, I tried also install KDE, GNOME and KFCE, but I have been many errors, commonly solocionables, for example I had to modify REFRESH to true, but also to get out other errors, commonly have a solution, but is a great problem to have to spend all his time fixing bugs. Please tell me if it is natural to every time I download large modifying ports so, if so, then why say functional? I've used FBSD since 6.2 and ports are almost always flawless. Many times it's the combination of configuration options (in make config) that may cause problems. For very large packages such as the graphics system, open or libre office etc. it's much better to use binary versions via pkg_add. It's a waste of time to compile these very large suites and most of the time you will get the config options wrong, and they take forever to compile. For things you want to tailor and optimize to your needs then use the ports system. FBSD is so cool that it doesn't matter if you install one way or the other and you can use almost all methods interchangeably. -- Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: nice man pages?
On 10/25/2011 20:20, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: Hello, I use sysutils/most to have nice manual pages in color, that's cool but is there a way to do this with the base system (ie without adding port)? Thanks, regards. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Well, (depending on your definition of adding a port) for me since I always have vim, I use the following alias: alias man man -P \col -b \| vim -c \'set ft=man nomod nolist\' -\ Maybe that helps a bit? -- Regards, Eric signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: The ports are really funcional?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:36:44 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: For very large packages such as the graphics system, open or libre office etc. it's much better to use binary versions via pkg_add. It's a waste of time to compile these very large suites and most of the time you will get the config options wrong, and they take forever to compile. Exceptions: 1) You need language-specific settings. Example: OpenOffice in German. 2) You need others than the default options, e. g. if you want to include or exclude some stuff. Example: OpenOffice without KDE. 3) You need options to be set at compile time that do differ from the default options from which the binary packages are made, or because of artificially shit in your pants legal requirements and restrictions. Example: mplayer with mencoder and all (!) codecs 4) You need to speed up things to make them run on older hardware, and you fight for every optimization. Example: mplayer's RUNTIME_CPU_DETECTION. But this is, I think, a case for 1% of users only. You hardly need to do that. In most cases, the default options are fine, and the binary packages just work. For things you want to tailor and optimize to your needs then use the ports system. FBSD is so cool that it doesn't matter if you install one way or the other and you can use almost all methods interchangeably. A managament tool (such as portmaster or portupgrade) helps to keep an eye on dependencies when using the many possible ways. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
