Re: `ls -l` shows size of file other than of the folder?
On 14/06/2012 08:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: Really? If I said the bandwidth usage was 10Mb/s would you immediately understand that was 10,000,000,000 bits per second? Err... of course you wouldn't. 10,000,000 bits per second. That's what I meant to type. Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel binaries http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/ This would seem to make compiling from source difficult. Kurt I'm not sure I understand the issue, but this is my take on it so far: 1. What's preventing the makers of boot loaders like GRUB (which can also boot FreeBSD) from getting a certificate ONCE? And if they have one, what's preventing them from loading ANY kernel at all? It is only the first stage boot loader that needs to be signed, or not? 2. What's preventing anyone of us in the EU from stepping up efforts with the EU Commission and the EU Parliament to stop Microsoft from monopolizing the ARM (and later x86) platforms, i.e. by becoming the only gatekeepers? After all, EU sovereign states and their economies can't depend on a US corporation having a global kill switch to their whole infrastructure. We're not just talking about Windows dominance here, but a lot more: dominance on the whole hardware segment. I'm pretty sure this scheme is highly anti-competitive, and I guess it runs afoul of a lot of already existing EU regulations. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: link_elf_obj: symbol ata_controlcmd undefined
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Subhro Sankha Kar sub...@80386.org wrote: Hello, Looks like you have missed out something related to ATA in the kernel configuration file. Can you post your complete kernel config? Hi, I'm just using the GENERIC config on amd64, as of r235604. Nothing modified there. # GENERIC -- Generic kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/amd64 # # For more information on this file, please read the config(5) manual page, # and/or the handbook section on Kernel Configuration Files: # # http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html # # The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook # if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the # FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.org/) for the # latest information. # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is also present in the ../../conf/NOTES and NOTES files. # If you are in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first # in NOTES. # # $FreeBSD: stable/9/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC 233797 2012-04-02 18:13:29Z jkim $ cpu HAMMER ident GENERIC makeoptions DEBUG=-g# Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET# InterNETworking options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options SCTP# Stream Control Transmission Protocol options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options UFS_GJOURNAL# Enable gjournal-based UFS journaling options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device options NFSCL # New Network Filesystem Client options NFSD# New Network Filesystem Server options NFSLOCKD# Network Lock Manager options NFS_ROOT# NFS usable as /, requires NFSCL options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS# Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization options COMPAT_FREEBSD32# Compatible with i386 binaries options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 # Compatible with FreeBSD6 options COMPAT_FREEBSD7 # Compatible with FreeBSD7 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support options STACK # stack(9) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=128# Prevent printf output being interspersed. options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV# install a CDEV entry in /dev options HWPMC_HOOKS # Necessary kernel hooks for hwpmc(4) options AUDIT # Security event auditing options MAC # TrustedBSD MAC Framework #optionsKDTRACE_FRAME # Ensure frames are compiled in #optionsKDTRACE_HOOKS # Kernel DTrace hooks options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel options KDB # Kernel debugger related code options KDB_TRACE # Print a stack trace for a panic # Make an SMP-capable kernel by default options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel # CPU frequency control device cpufreq # Bus support. device acpi device pci # Floppy drives device fdc # ATA controllers device ahci# AHCI-compatible SATA controllers device ata # Legacy ATA/SATA controllers options ATA_CAM # Handle legacy controllers with CAM options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering device mvs # Marvell 88SX50XX/88SX60XX/88SX70XX/SoC SATA device siis# SiliconImage SiI3124/SiI3132/SiI3531 SATA # SCSI Controllers device
Re: `ls -l` shows size of file other than of the folder?
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:40:27 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 14/06/2012 07:11, Polytropon wrote: Even school taught that in the 80's: When dealing with computers, 1 kB != 1000 B, but 1 kB = 1024 B. That is considered basic knowledge. Schools teach a lot of things that are so glossed over or so over-simplified as to be basically wrong. They have been known to teach things that were common knowledge at the time and were later shown to be simply incorrect[*]. That's why you never can stop learning in IT, and fighting bad habits in all imaginable areas. :-) Every IT person should be aware of this. It's common to abuse the SI units with the (known!) deviant interpretation. Really? If I said the bandwidth usage was 10Mb/s would you immediately understand that was 10,000,000,000 bits per second? Yes, bandwidth is always denoted in strict SI powers-of-1000 scale modifiers, always has been, but the corrosive effect of muddling 2^10 vs 10^3 in computing just leads to confusion and error. In that case, it's simple: The base unit is b (bit), not B (byte), so M = *1000*1000 as the normal SI interpretation. The abuse of M as in *1024*1024 (SI: Mi) only happens to bytes. :-) Sometimes, you find hardware vendors forgetting the factor mismatch 1024 vs. 1000 when they tell you how many GB the new shiny hard disk has. :-) Oh dear. It is so galling to realise that the sales people were actually right all along isn't it? Does one's geek credibility no good at all to realise that we've been out pedanted by some suits... And it becomes even more funny when an IT aware advertising manager says: Hey, there's this cool Gi prefix, why not just say the disk is 800 GiB instead of 800 GB? Then more geeks will buy our products! :-) (No, I won't try to even mention the fun of usable file system capacity vs. gross disk hardware-only capacity.) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.3 + MySQL 5.0.95
On 13/06/2012 19:34, Simon wrote: Hi, I upgrade to FreeBSD 8.3-p3 and installed MySQL 5.0.95 from ports. It runs fine until it dies silently. Does anyone run a heavy loaded MySQL under such setup? how can I troubleshoot this? I could never compile a stable MySQL server from the ports and always relied on MySQL community server binaries but there is no binary for latest 5.0.xx Thank you! Simon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Its not clear if you upgraded mysql or just did a vanilla fresh install, but assuming the former, i take it you ran the mysql_upgrade script post upgrade? /usr/ports/databases/mysqlXX-scripts -- - Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting - t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546PLEASE NOTE NEW MOBILE e: p...@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com - IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Possible to run freebsd mips under QEMU???
Hi is there any update on this? I would like to be able to run FreeBSD MIPS and I don't have a MIPS box! You wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: The short answer is yes - I've seen this. I've not done it myself though, I've just acquired cheap mips hardware. I'd currently preference the use of GXemul over the use of QEMU. GXemul has a built-in test machine that we support disk, networking and SMP on now. I'll try to take the time to write-up complete instructions (I've done it so many times I'd surely leave something out if I wrote it up right now) in the next few days, or perhaps rwatson will, as I know his lab is using GXemul in that way. We should try to get something on the Wiki for this as soon as possible as it's a very easy way to get started with FreeBSD on MIPS, and is infinitely-useful for debugging and some kinds of performance testing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
freebsd-update procedure, question
When one recives the FreeBSD Errata Notice or FreeBSD Security Advisory The instruction is to do: # freebsd-update fetch # freebsd-update install From earlier discussions on this list about the -px number not changing, I usually rebuild and install the kernel. My question is: Do I need to reboot after # freebsd-update install or can I rebuild and install the kernel before the reboot? Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
freebsd-update install question
When I do freebsd-update install I get this error: Installing updates...install: ///usr/src/lib/libc/gen/libc_dlopen.c: No such file or directory I think it's because I do not have all sources installed. So I just want to confirm that it's the case. Also, should I care and install the source needed? Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-update procedure, question
On 14/06/2012 10:41, Leslie Jensen wrote: When one recives the FreeBSD Errata Notice or FreeBSD Security Advisory The instruction is to do: # freebsd-update fetch # freebsd-update install From earlier discussions on this list about the -px number not changing, I usually rebuild and install the kernel. My question is: Do I need to reboot after # freebsd-update install or can I rebuild and install the kernel before the reboot? freebsd-update will fetch any updates to /usr/src, so any time after you've done 'freebsd-update install' you can build and install a new kernel with all the security patches applied. Given that you are only applying security updates within one release branch and you are using a kernel configuration that has been well tested, you should be fine to just install the new kernel before rebooting at the end of your update procedure. However, if you're going to be doing anything more ambitious (switching RELEASE version, modifying the kernel config non-trivially), then you should adopt a more cautious approach. You need to make sure you've got a world+kernel combination that still works after freebsd-update has applied all its changes to the system before you try booting to your customised kernel. In the case of major version upgrades, use the default kernels that freebsd-update supplies during the actual upgrade so you can be assured that you have a working combination (working in the sense that you can log in and build/install a new kernel; if you need a custom kernel to support some odd bits of hardware then those temporarily won't work). Once you've got the system up and running after updating, then go ahead and build and install your new kernel. Should it fail to boot properly, you will be able to back-out to the previous known-working kernel. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: freebsd-update install question
On 14/06/2012 10:45, Leslie Jensen wrote: When I do freebsd-update install I get this error: Installing updates...install: ///usr/src/lib/libc/gen/libc_dlopen.c: No such file or directory I think it's because I do not have all sources installed. So I just want to confirm that it's the case. If you're using freebsd-update then you don't need the libc sources. Does no harm to have them around. Given you're using a custom kernel then you definitely do need the kernel sources: that's everything under /usr/src/sys plus a few other bits and pieces. Also, should I care and install the source needed? The default setting for freebsd-update is to install the system sources. If you haven't changed /etc/freebsd-update.conf then something odd is happening. Perhaps you manually deleted the contents of /usr/src ? If you definitely don't want the system sources, then edit /etc/freebsd-update.conf and change this section in the obvious way: # Components of the base system which should be kept updated. Components src world kernel # Example for updating the userland and the kernel source code only: # Components src/base src/sys world ie. comment out the first 'Components' line and uncomment the second. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: freebsd-update install question
2012-06-14 12:18, Matthew Seaman skrev: On 14/06/2012 10:45, Leslie Jensen wrote: When I do freebsd-update install I get this error: Installing updates...install: ///usr/src/lib/libc/gen/libc_dlopen.c: No such file or directory I think it's because I do not have all sources installed. So I just want to confirm that it's the case. If you're using freebsd-update then you don't need the libc sources. Does no harm to have them around. Given you're using a custom kernel then you definitely do need the kernel sources: that's everything under /usr/src/sys plus a few other bits and pieces. Also, should I care and install the source needed? The default setting for freebsd-update is to install the system sources. If you haven't changed /etc/freebsd-update.conf then something odd is happening. Perhaps you manually deleted the contents of /usr/src ? If you definitely don't want the system sources, then edit /etc/freebsd-update.conf and change this section in the obvious way: # Components of the base system which should be kept updated. Components src world kernel # Example for updating the userland and the kernel source code only: # Components src/base src/sys world ie. comment out the first 'Components' line and uncomment the second. Cheers, Matthew I use the default kernel, on changes whatsoever. I haven't changed anything. I installed the sources because it was needed for VirtualBox, I think. I didn't install all sources only what was needed. I've not touched /etc/frebsd-update.conf at all. Should I install the libc souces? thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD compatibility with HP ProLiant DL360p Generation 8 (Gen8) ?
Hello, I need to order a few more servers for an internal project, and instead of the usual DL360G7 we now use without any problem with FreeBSD, there would now be the next generation, called Gen8. Intel® C600 Series Chipset Intel® E5-2600 Processor Family Storage Controller : HP Smart Array P420i/1GB Network Controller : HP Ethernet 1Gb 4-port 331FLR Adapter (full specs: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14211_na/14211_na.pdf ) I am just wondering if it would also be compatible with the current version of FreeBSD. I guess it is the case at least for the cpu/chipset according to http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/hardware.html , but I miss for example the P420 or the network interface in the actual hardware list, so a confirmation before ordering would be really nice to have :) Thanks kind regards, Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB device activity when not mounted
Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:26:16 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: I can understand why I would see activity on a USB device when it's first plugged in. But why do I see continued activity (i.e. the light blinks on a usb disk or memory stick)? When I umount one of these, they keep being beat up on and it makes me nervous... At what point is it sync'd and safe to unplug? I assume when the umount returns, but what's going on after that? I don't think that's a problem. I've got a USB stick here that has a blinkenlight as soon as it's powered on (plugged in), even if there is no reading / writing / mounting activity. After you've successfully performed umount, the USB stick _is_ synced and can safely be removed, no matter what you assume the funny lights want to tell you. Maybe that's just a modern feature to make the USB stick more entertaining. :-) I think der Blinkenlights is a Windows thing - some Windows driver bit turns it on and off. When you click the 'safe to remove' thing it's supposed to turn it off to tell you it's OK to pull it out. Totally meaningless and useless 'feature' if you're not using Windows, aside from the entertainment. :-) -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD compatibility with HP ProLiant DL360p Generation 8 (Gen8) ?
Reply inline... On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Olivier Mueller om-lists-...@omx.ch wrote: Hello, I need to order a few more servers for an internal project, and instead of the usual DL360G7 we now use without any problem with FreeBSD, there would now be the next generation, called Gen8. Intel® C600 Series Chipset Intel® E5-2600 Processor Family Storage Controller : HP Smart Array P420i/1GB Network Controller : HP Ethernet 1Gb 4-port 331FLR Adapter (full specs: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14211_na/14211_na.pdf ) I cannot comment on 9.x as we have not yet tested it on the 360p G8. I can, however, say that we did not have problems with the RAID controller with stable/8. We did have problems with the on-board NIC, I don't remember what model it is, but it is based on the BCM5719 controller. We ordered a few PCIe Intel NICs and tried the 82571 which did work with stable/8. We've got on order a few of the HP NC361T, which is based on the Intel i350, which we tested in a Dell and it worked there. Again, all this is with stable/8, but generally if the driver works in 8, it will work in 9. -- Take care Rick Miller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: freebsd-update install question
Should I install the libc souces? I had this error when upgrading 8.x (8.1 to 8.2?), and solved it by creating the directory only (actual sources not required). I recall someone had posted this solution to the list at the time. Regards, Dale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB device activity when not mounted
On Thursday 14 June 2012 07:05:11 Polytropon wrote: I don't think that's a problem. I've got a USB stick here that has a blinkenlight as soon as it's powered on (plugged in), even if there is no reading / writing / mounting activity. After you've successfully performed umount, the USB stick _is_ synced and can safely be removed, no matter what you assume the funny lights want to tell you. Maybe that's just a modern feature to make the USB stick more entertaining. :-) I have a Kingston one here which does appear to only blink while data is being transferred but one thing I have noticed is that the light continues to blink for a few seconds after the umount command completes. Presumably syncing is not compled until a few seconds after umount. Perhaps it's always safer to wait a few seconds after umounting before removing any USB storage device? -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: slowoffice doesn't work
On 06/13/2012 11:49 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: trying to start openoffice shows: [wojtek@wojtek ~]$ openoffice-3.4.0-swriter XDM authorization key matches an existing client!/usr/local/openoffice-3.4.0/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin X11 error: Can't open display: Set DISPLAY environment variable, use -display option or check permissions of your X-Server (See man X resp. man xhost for details) everything else works, doing xhost + fixed the problem. any idea what is wrong. deleting .openoffice doesn't change anything This was a big problem with certain programs that like to re-exec themselves very quickly upon startup. It affected Firefox[1] and Thunderbird[2] circa 2003-2004. The pedantically correct solution is to fix the limitation in the xsecurity protocol. The realistically correct solution is to fix the bug in OpenOffice. The more useful solution is to put something like this in your .xinitrc/.xsession script: 8 # Tell X to authorize me xhost +si:localuser:$(id -un) /dev/null 8 [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246313 [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224966 http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2011-02/msg00086.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2000/11/msg01823.html -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net cyber...@cyberleo.net Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB device activity when not mounted
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, Mike Clarke wrote: On Thursday 14 June 2012 07:05:11 Polytropon wrote: I don't think that's a problem. I've got a USB stick here that has a blinkenlight as soon as it's powered on (plugged in), even if there is no reading / writing / mounting activity. After you've successfully performed umount, the USB stick _is_ synced and can safely be removed, no matter what you assume the funny lights want to tell you. Is it possible that there is volitile memory buffering in the stick that may not have been written to flash when umount thinks it is complete, and the flashing light is an indication that power is still required to complete the write to non-volitile memory? Futhermore, are we sure that umount even waits for a sync? There is no mention of that in the man page and I don't recall any long waits for umount to return. daniel feenberg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.3 + MySQL 5.0.95
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:04:26 +0100, Paul Macdonald wrote: On 13/06/2012 19:34, Simon wrote: Hi, I upgrade to FreeBSD 8.3-p3 and installed MySQL 5.0.95 from ports. It runs fine until it dies silently. Does anyone run a heavy loaded MySQL under such setup? how can I troubleshoot this? I could never compile a stable MySQL server from the ports and always relied on MySQL community server binaries but there is no binary for latest 5.0.xx Thank you! Simon Its not clear if you upgraded mysql or just did a vanilla fresh install, but assuming the former, i take it you ran the mysql_upgrade script post upgrade? /usr/ports/databases/mysqlXX-scripts No, I did not run the mysql_upgrade because this was a minor upgrade. I was running 5.0.88 Community Server binary install built by mysql developers rock solid for long time. Then I decided to upgrade to latest 5.0.x but there is no such build for FreeBSD by the MySQL developers. So I decided to give the ports version a shot. I compiled and installed databases/mysql50-server with BUILD_STATIC The latest mysql50-server under FBSD 8.3 is 5.0.95 BTW, I'm doing this on FreeBSD 8.3-p3 AMD64 PS I just had it die on a different machine that is less loaded and uses less memory. -Simon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB device activity when not mounted
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:00 -0400 (EDT), Daniel Feenberg wrote: Is it possible that there is volitile memory buffering in the stick that may not have been written to flash when umount thinks it is complete, and the flashing light is an indication that power is still required to complete the write to non-volitile memory? That is possible, but then, the light should be silent after a finite amount of time. Futhermore, are we sure that umount even waits for a sync? There is no mention of that in the man page and I don't recall any long waits for umount to return. If I remember correctly, the umount command instructs the kernel to write all pending file buffers and then detach the device from the file system hierarchy. When the device has been detached (doesn't appear anymore in mount output), everything should have been written. However, as you said it might be possible that _inside_ the USB stick there is still an action that needs to be performed and therefore requires power. But I doubt this takes several seconds to complete... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lost /var/db/pkg
Thanks, it looks like I had a copy from May in there that was fairly accurate! On Jun 13, 2012 5:03 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Eitan Adler wrote: On 12 June 2012 18:03, William Orr w...@worrbase.com wrote: Hello, I had a hard disk failure some time ago, and I ended up losing /var/db/pkg/ and everything under it (before you say I should've been backing it up, I know, I was actually doing an initial full when this happened). Is there a way I can restore it, or at least manually add entries I know for sure about? look in /var/db/pkgdb.bak.tbz ^^^ ITYM /var/backups/pkgdb.bak.tbz. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB device activity when not mounted
On Thursday 14 June 2012 15:45:46 Polytropon wrote: However, as you said it might be possible that _inside_ the USB stick there is still an action that needs to be performed and therefore requires power. That's a possibility. But I doubt this takes several seconds to complete... I've just run a test here. The umount command returns almost instantaneously and the light, which is normally only lit while data is flowing, flickers for about 2 seconds after the umount command. But further testing showed that it flickers for 2 seconds after reading single byte file so perhaps the blinkenlight is configured with a minimum activation time. Being cautious however, I always wait a few seconds before removing any USB stick from any computer. -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
Hi, Reference: From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:51:46 +0200 Message-id: CADGWnjW2LnrtOiXFzWFk9btMaeJhmOTxdZ7ScymY=qgme_c...@mail.gmail.com C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel binaries http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/ This would seem to make compiling from source difficult. Kurt I'm not sure I understand the issue, but this is my take on it so far: 1. What's preventing the makers of boot loaders like GRUB (which can also boot FreeBSD) from getting a certificate ONCE? And if they have one, what's preventing them from loading ANY kernel at all? If you read Fedora's page they were planning to tighten their boot sequence to then only boot their approved binary kernels. Not that others ( eg us) would have to, presumably we could leave it wide open (aside of terms of purchase see discussion earlier in thread), (aside of risk of key revocation on some hardware manufacturers) Risk of key revocation later If hardware manufacturer ships new bios or uefi, or user upgrades to new UEFI (eg I as a user must upgrade a uefi soon as a laptop overheats). + if MS get away with this intrusion, next they'll consider requiring a Call Home demon (that could also run on *UX, I guess they'd be pleased to provide source free of charge for that next stage entrapment ! ;-) that all PC users must run periodicaly, to update UEFI table with new revised list of authorised keys. It is only the first stage boot loader that needs to be signed, or not? Far as I've read, yes. I wasn't sure about AMD so I looked here: /usr/ports/sysutils/grub/Makefile ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= i386 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-faq.html (Re Grub 2) The current release is working on Intel/AMD PCs, OpenFirmware-based PowerPC machines (PowerMac and Pegasos), EFI-based PC (IntelMac) and coreboot (formerly, LinuxBIOS), and is being ported to UltraSparc. 2. What's preventing anyone of us in the EU from stepping up efforts with the EU Commission and the EU Parliament to stop Microsoft from monopolizing the ARM (and later x86) platforms, i.e. by becoming the only gatekeepers? After all, EU sovereign states and their economies can't depend on a US corporation having a global kill switch to their whole infrastructure. We're not just talking about Windows dominance here, but a lot more: dominance on the whole hardware segment. I'm pretty sure this scheme is highly anti-competitive, and I guess it runs afoul of a lot of already existing EU regulations. I think we will need to contact the EU, hence assembling URLs first: http://berklix.org/uefi/ Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
No surround sound with Creative SB Live! card
Hello, I have an old SB Live! card with a 5.1 speaker set, but i can't get sound from center and rear speakers with mplayer. I'm using the snd_emu10kx driver and when I try to play a DVD I get sound only through the front speakers (and LFE) like a 2.1 Adding -channels 6 to the mplayer args does not help. Cheers, -- David Demelier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: hwpstate0 set frequency err 6
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 419, Issue 9, Message: 2 On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:33:49 -0400 Lynn Steven Killingsworth blue.seahorse.syndic...@gmail.com wrote: This is the fourth time I have installed FreeBSD while learning the in's and out's. I have a new mainboard this time (ASUS M5A97 EVO + AMD FX 8120.) I have set up dual booting because of a few legacy apps. When the boot of OS gets to the login prompt I begin to get the error message 'hwpstate0 set frequency err 6' During installation my super-workstation started to run as though it were getting the absolutely maximum stress test. The fans on my new Corsair H80 started to whine as well. The 'stress test' effect starts the three next times I have booted so I am not booting into FreeBSD at the moment. Any advice? Only that it seems perhaps similar or related to some threads in May on freebsd-stable@ subject: [stable 9] broken hwpstate calls that may or may not have yet resulted in a patch you could try. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-May/thread.html Thread continues in June, as a perhaps more general p-state discussion. Thanks Lynn Steven Killingsworth cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UEFI Secure Boot Specs - And some sanity
grarpamp writes: Plenty of millionaires out there now who are in tune with opensource who could startup, buy the same ARM/ATOM/etc chips, the same support chips, load Android and sell it to the masses. Would you please post a list of these millionaire FLOSS entrepreneurs? Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
If you read Fedora's page they were planning to tighten their boot sequence to then only boot their approved binary kernels. Save your old copies of lilo and grub. You're gonna need them if you want to stay on Intel Mafioso hardware. Risk of key revocation later If hardware manufacturer ships new bios or uefi, or user upgrades to new UEFI (eg I as a user must upgrade a uefi soon as a laptop overheats). + if MS get away with this intrusion, next they'll consider requiring a Call Home demon No, this doesn't run on the OS. It runs from UEFI in the BIOS. Internet connectivity is already part of the UEFI spec. Your box doesn't even to have to be running. As long as it's plugged in, you're at their beck and call. Say NO to the WinTel Mafia! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: `ls -l` shows size of file other than of the folder?
Hello. 2012/06/14 00:23:25 +0400 Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org: PV ot the least how could I see the 'real' size of each of those files, both ~150M PV actulally, with a system command? also, 'du' works that way for regular files. But implicitly I wanted about ls's key, thanks a lot guys! Kind of a very humble unadvertised feature but needed for ages in contrast from EA and ACL. Another interesting thing is that it seems to be supported by perl's stat() builtin. -- Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: No surround sound with Creative SB Live! card
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, David Demelier wrote: I have an old SB Live! card with a 5.1 speaker set, but i can't get sound from center and rear speakers with mplayer. I'm using the snd_emu10kx driver and when I try to play a DVD I get sound only through the front speakers (and LFE) like a 2.1 Adding -channels 6 to the mplayer args does not help. Does the DVD source material actually have 5.1 sound? Silly question, I know, but it has to be asked. You may also want to pose this question to multimedia@ -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging / ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: `ls -l` shows size of file other than of the folder?
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org wrote: Hello. 2012/06/14 00:23:25 +0400 Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org: PV ot the least how could I see the 'real' size of each of those files, both ~150M PV actulally, with a system command? also, 'du' works that way for regular files. But implicitly I wanted about ls's key, thanks a lot guys! Yes, the default for du is the actual disk usage, and du -A gives the apparent size. We run an OpenSolaris filer with on-the-fly compression, and I've occasionally had people express confusion after copying a large text file to it and finding the copy to be smaller than the original when viewed with 'du'. ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: UEFI Secure Boot Specs - And some sanity
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:17 AM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: I did say effectively. If people would actually read that chapter in the spec (minimally 27.5) they would find that they can: - Load a new PK without asking if in default SetupMode - If not in SetupMode, chainload a new PK provided it is signed by the current PK. - Clear the PK in a 'secure platform specific method'. Only if they fully follow the spec. This is rather unlikely. Even today, there are still many broken DMI/SMBIOS tables out there that contain barely enough stuff for Windows to boot successfully. What makes you think UEFI BIOS makers will go all the trouble to implement such a complex spec, if all they have to do is to ensure compliance with MS requirements? I wouldn't count on an option or switch to override this system. Technically, we may very well have to replace the BIOS, or even the BIOS chip itself (that'll be fun if it is physically mounted on the board!), and replace it with a chip flashed with a free BIOS. And by then, the corps who are responsible for this UEFI mess will have made it illegal to 1. tinker with your own hardware, as it would be DRM circumvention and 2. implement a free UEFI BIOS as it would violate some UEFI patents. Basically, we may end up in a situation where running FreeBSD on a modified motherboard could be outright illegal. Which is exactly the point, isn't it? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Uptime [OT]
I still have non-root access to a box from my old job... it is non-available and doing nothing, so updates are irrelevant: %uptime 9:01PM up 1142 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
In production and survived many area-wide power outages: % uptime 10:34PM up 2021 days, 18:02, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On 14/06/2012 9:20 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: I still have non-root access to a box from my old job... it is non-available and doing nothing, so updates are irrelevant: %uptime 9:01PM up 1142 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 fwiw: %uname -a FreeBSD ..xxx 7.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-PRERELEASE #1: Wed Apr 29 06:34:04 EDT 2009 st...@xxx..xxx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ i386 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On 14/06/2012 9:35 PM, Mark Felder wrote: In production and survived many area-wide power outages: % uptime 10:34PM up 2021 days, 18:02, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 That's hardcore homie... wow! What does this box survive to do? Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: No surround sound with Creative SB Live! card
On 06/14/2012 09:03 AM, David Demelier wrote: I have an old SB Live! card with a 5.1 speaker set, but i can't get sound from center and rear speakers with mplayer. I'm using the snd_emu10kx driver and when I try to play a DVD I get sound only through the front speakers (and LFE) like a 2.1 Adding -channels 6 to the mplayer args does not help. Cheers, Sounds like the DVD surround audio is encoded in AC-3 Dolby Digital or DTS. So a decorder is needed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:37:59 -0500, Steve Bertrand steve.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: That's hardcore homie... wow! What does this box survive to do? Transparent traffic shaping/firewalling via IPFW; it's not actually visible to the internet. There isn't much load at all, but the hardware is quickly aging. The dual power supply has saved it a few times, too. I think there's another server which I believe is close to 2600 days uptime but I'll have to brainstorm and see if I can remember which one it is. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10 CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386 Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha. We're slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing anyone. I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long it would run Oh, perhaps this thread should be renamed to Why are you using FreeBSD? to fit in with the others... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On 14/06/2012 9:43 PM, Mark Felder wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:37:59 -0500, Steve Bertrand steve.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: That's hardcore homie... wow! What does this box survive to do? Transparent traffic shaping/firewalling via IPFW; it's not actually visible to the internet. There isn't much load at all, but the hardware is quickly aging. The dual power supply has saved it a few times, too. I think there's another server which I believe is close to 2600 days uptime but I'll have to brainstorm and see if I can remember which one it is. lmao... you must be a sysadmin ;) IPFW is all I've used on FreeBSD. I designed an ISP edge based on Microtic hardware with flash-based FBSD installs with Quagga and IPFW. I was hesitant to change to anything else, because I wrote an awful lot of Perl code that automated IPFW changes across the network. I don't use FBSD as much as I used to, but I still stick to my roots and write most of my code on it. I don't maintain many servers with it anymore though. This is why I thought I'd speak up... to let everyone know I'm still alive and kicking. Apparently, so is one of my boxes ;) Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: `ls -l` shows size of file other than of the folder?
The following creates a file with a size of 102402 (a gig) fseek(stdout, 100*1024, SEEK_END); Nope :) What you have there is not actually called (anything). It would maybe be called a MKiB. :-) I'll buy that, if someone chips in the deuce :) In SI units it is called a gigabyte. No, it's not called anything. Everyone knows what he talking about so playing semantic games is silly. Rockets crash due to assumptions and trivializing semantics. That's why you never can stop learning in IT, and fighting bad habits in all imaginable areas. :-) Can we move on to real questions? :) Ok :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
