Traffic upgrade 5.2.1 to 5.3
Hi! I want to upgrade my box from 5.2.1 to 5.3 stable. I have limited download, so, if I update the sources using cvsup in order to make buildworld ..., is there a way to roughly estimated the traffic. Case it's impossible, what's the typical order? A few MB, a few dozen MB or more? Another thing is that there seem to be problems with the avr-tools my current work depends on. Is it somehow possible to keep this package as it is while upgrading. What about upgrading the kernel only? Thanks a lot, Florian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xhost +localhost
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:31:13PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:05:00 -0800, Loren M. Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS is the x cookie in anyway related to the user passwd ? Completely unrelated, it's just a random number basicly. If it is a random number how can the xserver it user x random number and not user y random number ? When the X server is first started a 128 bit binary number is generated and stored in a file .Xauthority which is created in a users home directory and made to be readable only by that user. The X server read the file on startup and, by default, only allows clients to connect that know that magic number. You can give that magic number to other people and allow them to connect using the xauth program. Every time the X server is started a new number is generated and it used instead so knowing what number was used last time the user logged in won't be useful anymore. It's pure chance that two users won't have the same magic number at the same time, AFAIK, but with 2^128 possibilities, it's EXTREMELY unlikely. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?]
* Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the time it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save power you should shut down your computer over night. Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does for Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that heat comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than leaving your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You might just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! (Of course this argument is not valid if you need to cool your house, or if you use radiators, water-born heating, a wood-burning stove or something else other than electricity to warm up your house) Svein Halvor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?]
* Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the time it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save power you should shut down your computer over night. Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does for Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that heat comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than leaving your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You might just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! Actually, I've found that five machines, each with two disks, onboard graphics and sound, an average 700mhz P3 with a 250w power supply haven't really made a dent on my electricity bill. In the summer of last year, however, I bought an air conditioner and this added £40 (roughly $75) to my bill. I see I'm not the only one that thought of using the servers AS the heating! Mark -- PGP: http://www.darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt B776 43DC 8A5D EAF9 2126 9A67 A7DA 390F DEFF 9DD1 pgpG6wXSp08xX.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Re[2]: Sendmail host lookup problem
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hexren Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:49 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Sendmail host lookup problem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hexren Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:46 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Sendmail host lookup problem I have a LAN in the 192.168.0 range. I am trying to send mail from 192.168.0.78 (gc-infra.steenbuck.net) to 192.168.0.29 (bettchen.steenbuck.net). This leeds to 550 errors. Host unknown (Name server: bettchen.steenbuck.net: host not found) 192.168.0.29 is also acting as my DNS Server. Both machines have correct (or so I hope) entries in the nameserver. TM Either you don't have correct entries in the nameserver, or your TM /etc/resolv.conf on gc-infra is not using 192.168.0.29 as it's TM nameserver. TM What is the output of nslookup on gc-infra when you key in TM the bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you issue TM a set type=mx at the nslookup prompt followed by the TM bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you key in the TM IP number 192.168.0.29? TM Ted TM ___ TM freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list TM http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions TM To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [gc-infra:~]#nslookup bettchen.steenbuck.net Server: 192.168.0.29 Address:192.168.0.29#53 This is a problem, the output should read: Server: bettchen.steenbuck.net Address:192.168.0.29 Name: bettchen.steenbuck.net Address: 192.168.0.29 Name: bettchen.steenbuck.net Address: 192.168.0.29 - [gc-infra:~]#nslookup set type=mx bettchen.steenbuck.net Server: 192.168.0.29 Address:192.168.0.29#53 bettchen.steenbuck.net mail exchanger = 10 bettchen.steenbuck.net. Here's another possible problem, the output should read: bettchen.steenbuck.net preference=10, mail exchanger = 10 bettchen.steenbuck.net (followed by some glue data) - [gc-infra:~]#nslookup 192.168.0.29 Server: 192.168.0.29 Address:192.168.0.29#53 29.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa name = bettchen.steenbuck.net.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. name should be bettchen.steenbuck.net, not bettchen.steenbuck.net.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. Post your zone files in bettchen as well as named.conf Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Traffic upgrade 5.2.1 to 5.3
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Florian Hengstberger wrote: Hi! I want to upgrade my box from 5.2.1 to 5.3 stable. I have limited download, so, if I update the sources using cvsup in order to make buildworld ..., is there a way to roughly estimated the traffic. Case it's impossible, what's the typical order? A few MB, a few dozen MB or more? I've recently used this technique to update several boxes from 5.1-ish to 5.3 with good results. I'm behind a 24k modem connection, and I don't recall the cvsup taking more than an hour when I did it right. Note that you will want to make sure that you have not just /usr/src/sys, but also thing like /usr/src/usr.bin, /usr/src/gnu, etc. From the original iso install, my system contained only the former and I had to download more than I should have (via cvsup.) I believe the rest to be on the original distribution iso image, but in my case I just let the download proceed. I had built custom kernels so I thought my /usr/src was complete, but it turns out that you need a lot more to 'buildworld' (duh!) and I only realized this when I started the cvsup (since it slipped by me in reading the handbook.) You should be able to tar up your original /usr/src and start a cvsup and see if you like how it's preceeding (if you have disk space.) I've played all kinds of games taking such tarballs from one machine to another on cdrom, and have had no problems. Another thing is that there seem to be problems with the avr-tools my current work depends on. Is it somehow possible to keep this package as it is while upgrading. What about upgrading the kernel only? A 'buildworld' will upgrade more than the 'kernel only' (system compiler, system utilities, etc), but will _not_ upgrade things from the ports collection. Nor will a cvsup of 'src-all' update your ports skeleton. iirc, a cvsup of 'ports-all' tends to take longer than one of 'src-all' (when done logically as per my above notes) but it's certainly dependant on the history of what you start out with. I did not notice any of my applications from pre-buildworld not working after the upgrade, but I pretty much set to the task of rebuilding a lot of them right way (after a separate upgrade of my ports tree) so I didn't put much time into testing this. You would want to read /usr/src/UPDATING to try to spot any potential gotcha's that you might tip you over with respect to running earlier software that might be important to you. BTW, you probably know this, but there are a few things to read up on and think about (i.e., mergemaster -p, mergemaster, backups, etc.) Again, I had great luck with the procedures, but it did take some thinking about and some time, and a few mis-steps. I'd mainly re-installed from scratch as a means of upgrading prior to this. I hope this helps. Hopefully someone took better notes of the size questions you have. Thanks, - Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: favor
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:20 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: favor How do you suggest this list and all others like it deal with this matter, in practical terms? Don't suggest hiring lawyers, as that's hardly practical. Clearly I think Anthony is saying in his posts to me that the list managers should e-mail legal boilerplate to every subscriber that they would then agree to, which would basically state that the poster waives their copyrights if they post. The problem I see is that doing this creates a contract, which is one of the issues we are disagreeing on. It also changes the signups on the list to that of an access-controlled forum which means that the owners of the forum are exercising editorial control, meaning they are republishing posts to the list, which means they have to obtain rights to do this from each poster when that poster posts. He is saying that since the act of signing up for the list creates a contract between the list owners and the poster, the list owner should issue a contract to the signupee that outlines their (lack of) rights if they post. I disagree that the act of signing up for the list creates a contract, since the list is publically available without signup, and espically since the list can be posted to by the general public without signup. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .snap
* Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] What are .snap directories ? Take a look at these references: - mksnap_ffs(8) - dump(8) [under the -L option] - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot Svein Halvor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
After having read this thread (yes, every line of it...) I'm really quite interested in it. Unfortunately, an analogy dropped off perhaps below Señor Atkielski's radar so I thought I would recreate it and hear his (and of course everyone else's) opinion(s) on it. Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits to the local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given in both cases, and the mailing list (newspaper company) is understood to be able to reproduce this to all subscribers. Further, the mail (newspaper) is archived in both cases by the mailing list authority (newspaper company) and third parties (mirrors of mailing lists, other mailing list archives, libraries, etc.) all of which are generally available for viewing by the public. So this request would be likened unto our Valerie writing to the newspaper company and asking that any and all copies of the paper which her submission was quoted in be burnt/destroyed/what have you. The newspaper company certainly has legal right to destroy their archived copies and may choose to do so, though I doubt the newspaper agency is legally bound to do that. Would this not be a reasonable analogy (if we throw out the fact that the newspaper companies are generally capitalist entities since it has little bearing here)? Certainly the newspaper didn't require a contract to be signed by its submitters before distributing publicly their submissions. I don't see that a mailing list would need such a thing. The submissions are given under the understanding that they shall be publicly available both to subscribers and non subscribers in their favourite restaurants and libraries. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: smbfs problems
I don't have X on the FBSD machine so I was not able to test viewing the JPEG images locally on the FBSD side. As kind of an aside, cat can tell you quite adequately if you can view the contents of the file. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with realplayer
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: Hello, whenever I try to run realplayer I get the following: $ realplay (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory Failed to load pixbuf file: /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png' Install graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf from ports. (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/pause.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mute.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_off.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_low.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mid.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_high.png' ** (realplay.bin:94093): WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded modules were found. Pango will not work correctly. This
Re: Very general shutdown question
* Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] [0203 23:03]: Hello Ned, you can add the user to the operator group. it is possible to run shutdown then (but not halt etc). Be caneful of that, I think operator has other privileges too (can read from any disk for starters). You could also create a shutdown user with a login shell pointing to a shutdown script. But that won't work if they still don't have permission to run it... -- '...and then we wrote scripts to write the configs for us, and using these scripts, we made mistakes in a faster, more automated manner.' -- A Gentle Introduction to Cricket, on MRTG configuration Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very general shutdown question
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:49:22AM +, Dick Davies wrote: * Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] [0203 23:03]: Hello Ned, you can add the user to the operator group. it is possible to run shutdown then (but not halt etc). Be caneful of that, I think operator has other privileges too (can read from any disk for starters). You could also create a shutdown user with a login shell pointing to a shutdown script. But that won't work if they still don't have permission to run it... What if you put the shutdown user in the operator group? I don't plan to use this solution, but out of curiousity, are there any security problems with creating a privileged user with a widely known password but a login shell that does something specific, like shutting down the system? - James Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what is /entrophy ?
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Jay Moore wrote: On Wednesday 02 February 2005 05:52 am, Gert Cuykens wrote: what is /entrophy ? can i delete it ? I believe it is a mis-spelled version of /entropy Your computer attempts to collect randomness by sampling the timings of various physical events. That's what the /dev/random device provides: this kernel-harvested randomness. Various cryptographic systems require a supply of good random numbers in order to operate. When the machine first boots, the kernel's entropy pool is empty. It would consequently take potentially quite a few minutes to harvest sufficient randomness from interrupts in order to satisfy the needs of such things as sshd. The solution is the /entropy file: when the machine shuts down, it saves spare random bits that have not yet been used into this file. On reboot, the kernel's random pool is reinitialised using these spare bits. Assuming nobody's sneaked a peek at them in the itme the machine's been turned off, this is a reasonable way to quickly satisfy the startup requirements for randomness. -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ You see what happens when you have fun with a stranger in the Alps? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/var Full
im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i have. drwxr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 24 2004 account drwxr-xr-x 4 rootwheel 512 Aug 8 2004 at drwxr-x--- 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 5 03:01 backups drwxr-x--- 2 rootwheel 512 Aug 8 2004 crash drwxr-x--- 3 rootwheel 512 Aug 8 2004 cron drwxr-xr-x 10 rootwheel 512 Feb 6 20:51 db dr-xr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 24 2004 empty drwx-- 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 24 2004 heimdal drwxr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 7 03:09 log drwxrwxr-x 3 rootmail 512 Feb 4 21:41 mail drwxr-xr-x 2 daemon wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 msgs drwxr-xr-x 5 rootwheel 512 Oct 3 22:26 named drwxr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 24 2004 preserve drwxr-xr-x 5 rootwheel 512 Feb 5 12:15 run drwxrwxr-x 2 rootdaemon512 Feb 24 2004 rwho drwx--x--- 4 rootuucp 512 Jan 21 22:40 smtpd drwxr-xr-x 8 rootwheel 512 Aug 8 2004 spool drwxrwxrwt 7 rootwheel 512 Feb 6 19:52 -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ac`97
Please remind me how to write ac`97 in /boot/device.hints? FreeBSD 5.2.1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var Full
Warren wrote: im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i have. --- cut drwxr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 7 03:09 log drwxrwxr-x 3 rootmail 512 Feb 4 21:41 mail these two directories are probably the ones you want to look at, some logfiles might have grown pretty big, and maybe there's loads of mail in /var/mail ? (switching to email for your users in their home-dirs is an idea) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ac`97
how to write ac`97 into /boot/device.hints ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var Full
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:20 pm, albi wrote: Warren wrote: im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i have. --- cut drwxr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 7 03:09 log drwxrwxr-x 3 rootmail 512 Feb 4 21:41 mail these two directories are probably the ones you want to look at, some logfiles might have grown pretty big, and maybe there's loads of mail in /var/mail ? (switching to email for your users in their home-dirs is an idea) Sadly neither the log dir nor mail had much in it since they where the 1st 2 i also thought of. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var Full
Warren wrote: Sadly neither the log dir nor mail had much in it since they where the 1st 2 i also thought of. what about /var/tmp ? also, a du -h /var might help ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?]
On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:34 AM, markzero wrote: * Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the time it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save power you should shut down your computer over night. Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does for Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that heat comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than leaving your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You might just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! Actually, I've found that five machines, each with two disks, onboard graphics and sound, an average 700mhz P3 with a 250w power supply haven't really made a dent on my electricity bill. In the summer of last year, however, I bought an air conditioner and this added £40 (roughly $75) to my bill. I see I'm not the only one that thought of using the servers AS the heating! My basement where my Apple G5 runs, during the cold snaps we've recently had in PA, was typically ~50-55 degrees Farenheit. The computer keeping itself warm was a bonus. As for electrical use, I remember I once needed to drain an APC UPS so I hooked it up to a Christmas tree in the living room to run it down. The load meter on the front, although it's a very very rough indicator of load, had the same number of bars for the Xmas tree as it did for the old PIII with monitor and some peripherals hooked up to it... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
control udp, icmp packets
Hi all I am running zebra in freebsd. but can I have feature like cisco iso? I got the document from cymru about icmp and udp as follows: I tried the dummynet but it is not working properly! If you have this experience about dummynet working fine in router, please share to me. Thank you ! Allow UDP to occupy no more than 2 Mb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 150 201 25 25 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop ! Allow ICMP to occupy no more than 500 Kb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 160 50 62500 62500 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop ! Allow multicast to occupy no more than 5 Mb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 170 500 375000 375000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
control udp, icmp packets
Hi all I am running zebra in freebsd. but can I have feature like cisco iso? I got the document from cymru about icmp and udp as follows: I tried the dummynet but it is not working properly! If you have this experience about dummynet working fine in router, please share to me. Thank you ! Allow UDP to occupy no more than 2 Mb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 150 201 25 25 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop ! Allow ICMP to occupy no more than 500 Kb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 160 50 62500 62500 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop ! Allow multicast to occupy no more than 5 Mb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 170 500 375000 375000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var Full
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:34 pm, albi wrote: Warren wrote: Sadly neither the log dir nor mail had much in it since they where the 1st 2 i also thought of. what about /var/tmp ? also, a du -h /var might help awesome .. i was wondering about a command to list the stuff inthe individual dir's and it seems some old packages that have been de-installed ahev remnets and a lot of them in the /var/db port totalling a significant amount of Meg. Thanks for the help. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: portsdb -uU fails
Vonleigh Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you got a refuse file? Don't. No. Are you doing the cvsup on the ports-all collection, with a cvs tag of '.'? If not, do. Yes and yes. Have you got enough bandwidth to comfortably remove the whole multimedia directory and cvsup again? The problem you're hitting it that you are *not* getting the whole ports collection. You need to figure out why that is; I am not seeing the same symptoms. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very general shutdown question
Anish Mistry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sunday 06 February 2005 11:46 am, Ned Harrison wrote: I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop. Is it possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system? I've created a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I can give friends and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft system. I don't want to give them root access just to shut it down. None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way. They are mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses. Areas where one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the machine. However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it. If it's not possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do now. The easiest way I've found to do this is assuming you have X installed and are using a login manager ie. KDM/GDM/Login.app just use the shutdown functionality of the login manager to shutdown the system. The most fool proof way if you've got ACPI on this system it to just tap the power button and it'll shutdown. For this case, where it sounds like the users will always be at the console, that last one has to be the easiest way to go. Or maybe setting a key combination to do the same (ctrl-alt-del, anyone?). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var Full
Warren wrote: im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i have. drwxr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 24 2004 account drwxr-xr-x 4 rootwheel 512 Aug 8 2004 at drwxr-x--- 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 5 03:01 backups drwxr-x--- 2 rootwheel 512 Aug 8 2004 crash drwxr-x--- 3 rootwheel 512 Aug 8 2004 cron drwxr-xr-x 10 rootwheel 512 Feb 6 20:51 db dr-xr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 24 2004 empty drwx-- 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 24 2004 heimdal drwxr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 7 03:09 log drwxrwxr-x 3 rootmail 512 Feb 4 21:41 mail drwxr-xr-x 2 daemon wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 msgs drwxr-xr-x 5 rootwheel 512 Oct 3 22:26 named drwxr-xr-x 2 rootwheel 512 Feb 24 2004 preserve drwxr-xr-x 5 rootwheel 512 Feb 5 12:15 run drwxrwxr-x 2 rootdaemon512 Feb 24 2004 rwho drwx--x--- 4 rootuucp 512 Jan 21 22:40 smtpd drwxr-xr-x 8 rootwheel 512 Aug 8 2004 spool drwxrwxrwt 7 rootwheel 512 Feb 6 19:52 Although you have now found your solution, I'd recommend for such a question to submit the output of 'du -d1' instead - this will show which directories are using up the space. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SOLVED] Re: jade error: Undefined symbol _ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:19:51 -0800 Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 11:09:22PM -0300, Alejandro Pulver wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:23:18 -0300 Alejandro Pulver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I installed 'docproj-jadetex' to learn how to make Docbook documents (in SGML). When I run 'nsgmls' (texproc/sp) (when doing 'make' on a FreeBSD documentation source, or manually) it outputs the following error: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libstyle.so.1: Undefined symbol _ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv How do I fix it? Sorry, I made a mistake: the program that generated the error message was 'jade' (port is 'print/jadetex'), not 'nsgmls'. You forgot to mention details about your FreeBSD installation. Did you formerly run FreeBSD 4.x and then update to 5.x? If so, you need to rebuild your ports, because C++ code compiled with gcc 2.95 (which is the version in 4.x) is incompatible with code compiled with gcc 3.4 (in 5.3). portupgrade is the easiest way to do this, e.g. with the -P switch. Kris Sorry, I was tired and I made mistakes and forgot a couple of things. I have FreeBSD 5.3 (from a fresh installation), and I never updated my system/ports. I installed 'jade' from a package: jade-1.2.1_8. I solved the problem. The reason was that I installed 'sp' (textproc/sp) from a package (sp-1.3.4) (as the 'fdp-primer' says) and it overrited (without saying it conflicts with 'jade') the following programs/libraries: bin/nsgmls bin/sgmlnorm bin/spam bin/spent bin/sx [ header files in include/sp ] lib/libsp.a lib/libsp.so.1 So the missing symbol was in '/usr/local/lib/libsp.so.1' (which was overritten by 'sp'): nm /usr/local/lib/libsp.so.1 | grep _ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv 0009cf04 T _ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv While doing that in the library from 'sp' outputs nothing. This is strange: 'fdp-primer' says one need to install it, but it replaces binaries without warning and finally 'jade' does not work. Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var Full
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:19 am, Erik Norgaard wrote: Warren wrote: im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir Although you have now found your solution, I'd recommend for such a question to submit the output of 'du -d1' instead - this will show which directories are using up the space. Cheers, Erik enterprise# du -d1 /var 2 /var/.snap 2 /var/account 6 /var/at 16 /var/backups 4 /var/crash 8 /var/cron 32946 /var/db 2 /var/empty 2 /var/heimdal 2 /var/log 4 /var/mail 4 /var/msgs 2 /var/preserve 40 /var/run 2 /var/rwho 185556 /var/spool 5376/var/tmp 20 /var/yp 26 /var/named 28 /var/smtpd 224050 /var -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
startup
***hi all, rookie fiddler calling :) just loaded fbsd5.3amd64 but it stopped at the login prompt. (1) $startkde didnt work, is that the right command please ? (2) what command to start gnome ? (3) how to tell it to start one of the GUI automatically ? many thanks, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var Full
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:48:41 +1000, Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i have. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu I went through /var cleaning this up myself yesterday. I found the httpd-access.log and httpd-error.log was quite large and wouldn't turn over after a certain date or size. I also saw the snmpd.log was getting pretty big. I see that you've checked mail already. My cacti user mailbox was quite large as well. ...just a few more things to check... -- Just my $.02, your mileage may vary, batteries not included, etc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:28:17AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt typed:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ian Moore
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:07 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Sendmail masquerading configuration
Hi,
I'm hoping someone can help me with this.
I want to make sendmail (on a 5.3-Release server) leave the
host name out of
the sender address when sending mail from that machine.
I.E. mail from root currently has a sender address of
[EMAIL PROTECTED], I
want it to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead.
Not possible, I think, as I recall masquerading only works on
users not in the T macro. (ie: Trusted Users) root is
most definitely in this macro.
Actually, I believe it's the EXPOSED_USERS macro, and it can be
adjusted; e.g. in sendmail.cf:
C{E}root
just remove the root user from this line. In conjunction with a
MASQUERADE_AS macro, this will allow root to send email coming from
your domain without your hostname.
You might want to use the MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE macro as well, 'cause
that's probably what your isp is filtering on (the envelope_from
address). Read all about it in /usr/share/sendmail/cf/README.
BTW, I agree that masquerading is NOT the proper way to do these
things.
Ruben
Masquerading is a bullshit way of doing this kind of
thing anyhow. Use the -f switch if your calling the sendmail
binary directly from programs. If your using /bin/mail
as a MUA, then get a better one like Elm or Pine that
lets you do this.
Ted
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handling multiple ips on a box?
Your message To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Subject: handling multiple ips on a box? Sent:Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:17:55 -0600 did not reach the following recipient(s): 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' on Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:18:33 -0600 The message was undeliverable because the recipient specified in the recipient postal address was not known at this address The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=Broadjam;l=HERMES-050202161755Z-19504 MSEXCH:IMS:Broadjam:HQ:HERMES 3450 (000B09AA) 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [68.249.86.134] From: Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: February 2, 2005 11:17:55 AM EST To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: handling multiple ips on a box? Sorry if this is not quite the place to ask however, if it is not can someone point me toward the right resource (on the net) for answers. I am running FreeBSD on a box with an ethernet; ifconfig em0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=1bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING inet ???.???.???.151 netmask 0x broadcast 10.50.255.255 inet6 fe80::230:48ff:fe2c:76e2%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet ???.???.???.152 netmask 0x broadcast 10.50.1.152 inet ???.???.???.153 netmask 0x broadcast 10.50.1.153 ether 00:30:48:2c:76:e2 media: Ethernet 100baseTX full-duplex status: active the ??? are just our ips. you will notice that .152 and .153 are aliases and are mapped to external ips via a switch. my question is how can I resolve names to the ip aliases on the box? ie ???.???.???.152 - a.net and ???.???.???.153 - b.net is this a /etc/hosts kind of entry? ???.???.???.152web1.a.net web1 ???.???.???.152web1.a.net. ???.???.???.153web1.b.net web1 ???.???.???.153web1.b.net. any help would be greatly appreciated! ken; ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wget port
Or you could try using curl instead. ports/ftp/curl -John On Sunday, February 6, 2005, at 01:36 PM, DanGer wrote: Hi dave, Sunday, February 6, 2005, 7:11:28 PM, you has on mind: Hello, I was wondering what the status of the wget ports was? I've been getting an error about wget 1.8.2 having vulnerabilities so i uninstalled it and installed or tried to install wget-devel, but portaudit said it also had vulnerabilities and it would not permit the install to continue. Thanks. Dave. wget has serious vulnerabilities that aren't already fixed even in devel port...if you want install wget despite these vulns, try to do make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES install -- Best Regards, +--==/\/\==--+ (__) FreeBSD | DanGer [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\\\'',) The | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ261701668 | \/ \ ^Power | http://danger.homeunix.org | .\._/_)To +--==\/\/==--+ Serve [ Joe's Moturary: You Stab 'Em, We Slab 'Em! ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: startup
On Monday 07 February 2005 08:33 am, Marshall Kiam-Laine wrote: ***hi all, rookie fiddler calling :) just loaded fbsd5.3amd64 but it stopped at the login prompt. (1) $startkde didnt work, is that the right command please ? (2) what command to start gnome ? (3) how to tell it to start one of the GUI automatically ? many thanks, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The documentation at the link below should help: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html Best of luck, Andrew Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VRRP
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 11:54:57AM +0100, Nils Vogels wrote: Chris Knipe wrote: | Hi, | | Does FreeBSD have any support, or does anyone know of any open | source applications that can be used to get some form of VRRP into | FreeBSD 4.11 / 5.x? A quick make search learns: | cd /usr/ports | make search key=vrrp Port: freevrrpd-0.8.7_1 Path: /usr/ports/net/freevrrpd Info: This a VRRP RFC2338 Compliant implementation under FreeBSD Maint: [EMAIL PROTECTED] B-deps: R-deps: If you're running 5.x-STABLE, then OpenBSD's CARP has been ported. See: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pfsyncapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+6.0-currentformat=html (Yes, I know that man page is from 6-CURRENT. They don't seem to have 5-STABLE manpages up on the site right now.) Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK pgpshhubVzX4y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?]
markzero writes: m Actually, I've found that five machines, each with two disks, onboard m graphics and sound, an average 700mhz P3 with a 250w power supply m haven't really made a dent on my electricity bill. My bills have been unusually high lately and it prompted me to do some calculation to see if the computers were responsible for the bills. I have three computers running continuously, but the calculations showed that they still don't make much of a dent in my electricity bill, even in my small apartment. The total is about 500 kwh per month, out of some 1400 kwh. I don't know where the rest is going, but I suspect that an aging electric water heater is consuming more than all the computer equipment combined. There's no other explanation (I run A/C in summer which ups the bill considerably, but that doesn't apply at this time of year). Since the computers are necessary for both work and play, I consider running them to be electricity wisely used. I do turn the monitors off when I'm not home, but since they are all flat panels now, that represents only a trivial amount of electricity. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cleaning Out Ports?
That's correct; this type of functionality is exactly what I was searching for. -Original Message- From: Loren M. Lang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:50 AM To: Michael C. Shultz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Matt LaPlante Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Ports? There's still one missing part to it that gentoo's portage has. In addition to the standard database of installed packages, emerge keeps track of every single package that you explicitly installed in a file called world. Upgrades read this file and update all the packages listed, including there dependencies first. Now if a package that was installed to satisfy a dependency, but not explicitly installed is now longer needed, it will stay on the system until the next time emerge --depclean is run. --depclean tells emerge to remove any packages that are not in the world file and are not needed to satify dependencies for packages in the world file, either directly or indirectly. I think this is the behavior that the original poster was asking for. AFAIK, this is not yet possible in FreeBSD, but it should be a trivial matter to add something like a world file to portupgrade. Maybe, if I have time this week I could work on a patch... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: TM Clearly I think Anthony is saying in his posts to me that the TM list managers should e-mail legal boilerplate to every subscriber TM that they would then agree to, which would basically state that TM the poster waives their copyrights if they post. Approximately, yes. A better agreement would be one that requires that the subscriber license his posts for archiving and public access and agree that he will not consider this an invasion of privacy. Relinquishing copyright is a huge step and it's pretty rare to ask anyone to do it. An alternative is to make the archive accessible only to current members, and to purge posts from any member who leaves the list. There's still a bit of risk in that but it eliminates most potential objections. TM The problem I see is that doing this creates a TM contract, which is one of the issues we are disagreeing on. A contract exists already. This just formalizes the terms. TM It also changes the signups on the list to that of an TM access-controlled forum which means that the owners of the forum are TM exercising editorial control, meaning they are republishing posts to TM the list, which means they have to obtain rights to do this from TM each poster when that poster posts. Requiring that a person subscribe to receive messages is already access control. If you don't want any access control, you must go to an open forum format and eliminate the mailing list. Then anyone can read and anyone can post ... like USENET. TM He is saying that since the act of signing up for the list creates a TM contract between the list owners and the poster, the list owner TM should issue a contract to the signupee that outlines their (lack TM of) rights if they post. The act of doing just about anything with another person or organization often creates a contract of some kind. Making it explicit only helps to protect both parties from misunderstandings and litigation. TM I disagree that the act of signing up for the list creates a TM contract, since the list is publically available without signup, TM and espically since the list can be posted to by the general TM public without signup. It's impossible to receive the list by e-mail without signing up. A person who signs up has every reason to believe that only other people who have also signed up will receive his posts, since that's how mailing lists normally work. He also has every reason to believe that his posts will be ephemeral, existing only as e-mail messages, since again that is how mailing lists work. Archiving messages without telling subscribers about it and requiring them to agree with it only invites trouble. It should be kept in mind that when geeks meet lawyers, the geeks always lose. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Should nwfs and ncp* be working in 5.3R?
I'm trying to use nwfs and the ncp- utilities and when I do I get a kernel panic (at the moment I forget which one). Should they be working in 5.3R? # kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 1 17 0xc040 37ee4c kernel 22 0xc077f000 1c180linux.ko 31 0xc079c000 2b34 if_ef.ko 41 0xc079f000 47dc snd_via8233.ko 52 0xc07a4000 1d4fcsound.ko 62 0xc07c2000 9c50 ncp.ko 73 0xc07cc000 28a4 libmchain.ko 81 0xc07cf000 4ad9c8 nvidia.ko 91 0xc0c7d000 aa3c nwfs.ko 10 14 0xc0c88000 537f0acpi.ko 111 0xc2c94000 2c000nfsclient.ko 121 0xc2da2000 2000 green_saver.ko # cat /boot/loader.conf agp_load=NO if_ef_load=YES linux_load=YES ncp_load=YES nvidia_load=YES nwfs_load=YES snd_via8233_load=YES # ifconfig [...] bfe0f0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 ipx 80e39800.e018f3334f inet6 fe80::2e0:18ff:fef3:334f%bfe0f0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x9 ether 00:e0:18:f3:33:4f bfe0f1: flags=8842BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 ether 00:e0:18:f3:33:4f bfe0f2: flags=8842BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 ether 00:e0:18:f3:33:4f bfe0f3: flags=8842BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 ether 00:e0:18:f3:33:4f [...] # uname -a FreeBSD scanner.engnet.ufl.edu 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Wed Feb 2 15:40:14 EST 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/BOBJ27 i386 Results don't change if I move IPX to other frame types, or to all four of them simultaneously, and similarly it doesn't seem to matter whether I have ipxrouted running or not, nor does it matter whether I boot the GENERIC kernel or my normal kernel. Thanks, - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 12:24:09AM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: I updated my firewall that is using IPF. I went from FreeBSD 4.7 stable to 4.11 stable. When using 4.7 stable I only had this is my rc.conf file: ipfilter_enable=YES ipfilter_program=/sbin/ipf ipfilter_rules=/etc/ipf.conf ipfilter_flags= When I went to 4.11 stable I had to uncomment these options in my kernel config file: options IPFILTER options IPFILTER_LOG I'm just curious why it worked without the above options in my kernel for 4.7 and I had to have them in 4.11? If you don't have it in your kernel, the module will be loaded at boot time if it's available. If you don't have the module either, you can't use ipfilter. I must have been using the module with 4.7 stable since I did not have that in the kernel I was running with 4.7. After I upgraded to 4.11 and IPF was not working I edited my kernel config file to uncomment the lines for IPF and then compiled the new kernel. I still don't have an answer why this happened. Was the module taken out of 4.11 or an earlier version on FreeBSD? I'm just curious as a learning experience what went on in my situation. Thanks, Jim ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Anthony Atkielski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050208 03:08]: An alternative is to make the archive accessible only to current members, and to purge posts from any member who leaves the list. There's still a bit of risk in that but it eliminates most potential objections. That would sorta suck. I know I write my questions and answers with a view to them being searchable on the web maybe months or years later, as I know how very grateful I am to those whose archived words have helped me before. So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of any archive. - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unable to get phpMyAdmin working
I just installed phpMyAdmin from ports, and it didn't look like I needed to make any changes to the config file. Initially I set the authorization type as http, but when it wasn't working, I specified the root username and password and tried config instead. I get this error: phpMyAdmin was unable to read your configuration file! This might happen if php finds a parse error in it or php cannot find the file. Please call the configuration file directly using the link below and read the php error message(s) that you receive. In most cases a quote or a semicolon is missing somewhere. If you receive a blank page, everything is fine. So then I click on the link to config.inc.php like it says, and it's a blank page. So everything should be fine...but it's definitely not. Any clue what I need to do? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits to the EK local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given in EK both cases ... Not so, on two points: (1) the newspaper is obviously available to anyone (it's on the newsstands), and not only to a selected group, and (2) the messages to the newspaper appear in print and are thus much less ephemeral than e-mail messages. A person sending a letter to a newspaper knows that everyone may see it, because he saw the newspaper on the newsstands--that's how newspapers are. He also knows that his letter may be archived, because newspapers are on paper and are often kept in morgues indefinitely. These assumptions are not valid for mailing lists. It's reasonable to assume that a mailing list distributes messages only to people who are subscribed to the mailing list. It's also reasonable to assume that the messages sent to the list don't exist outside of their ephemeral distribution to the members of the list. Someone submitting to a periodical with a closed circulation (subscribers only) would be a closer analogy to the case at hand, but it still would not match the ephemeral character of a mailing list. EK Would this not be a reasonable analogy (if we throw out the fact EK that the newspaper companies are generally capitalist entities since EK it has little bearing here)? No, for reasons stated above. EK Certainly the newspaper didn't require a contract to be signed by EK its submitters before distributing publicly their submissions. Many periodicals impose conditions on anyone writing letters to the editor, which they clearly state in the same place where they give instructions on how to send letters to the editor. EK I don't see that a mailing list would need such a thing. The EK submissions are given under the understanding that they shall be EK publicly available both to subscribers and non subscribers in their EK favourite restaurants and libraries. There is no such understanding with respect to a mailing list. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
David Gerard writes: DG That would sorta suck. I know I write my questions and answers with DG a view to them being searchable on the web maybe months or years DG later, as I know how very grateful I am to those whose archived DG words have helped me before. Having to search an archive of e-mail messages as a substitute for real support sucks to begin with. I've almost never found anything useful when searching the archives, and even when I have, it takes longer to find it in the archives than it does to just ask the question again. DG So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of DG any archive. The copyright situation is an unavoidable legal mandate, not an option. You cannot defend against an infringement action by saying that respecting copyright would have been inconvenient for you. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Archiving messages without telling subscribers about it and requiring them to agree with it only invites trouble. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions This is the page on which you sign up. You'll notice it says this in the about: This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send how to questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the freebsd-questions Archives. Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that the announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked to and mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the mailing list gets archived. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to get phpMyAdmin working
do you have a php.ini file? what version of apache are you running? did you set up the Ailas in httpd.conf as well as define its access? Alias /phpmyadmin/ /usr/local/www/phpMyAdmin/ Directory /path to phpmyAdmin/phpMyAdmin Options Indexes MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory what is the error in your http error log and/or phperr log file? you will probably see a undefined error somewhere, at least this is what I saw and i have a php.ini file in place. make sure you have: .:/php/includes in you include_path and/or move the php.ini file out of /usr/local/etc dir and restart apache (not graceful as this haas been an issue for leaving the php ini stuff loaded in the past) to see what happens. I am making a stab at your problem here ad might be way, WAY off base however you will have log info in /var/log(your logging dir default) for apache and php (phperr) let us know what is in those logs and I can help out a bit more. recently ran the gauntlet of php installation hell earlier. ken; On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Pat Maddox wrote: I just installed phpMyAdmin from ports, and it didn't look like I needed to make any changes to the config file. Initially I set the authorization type as http, but when it wasn't working, I specified the root username and password and tried config instead. I get this error: phpMyAdmin was unable to read your configuration file! This might happen if php finds a parse error in it or php cannot find the file. Please call the configuration file directly using the link below and read the php error message(s) that you receive. In most cases a quote or a semicolon is missing somewhere. If you receive a blank page, everything is fine. So then I click on the link to config.inc.php like it says, and it's a blank page. So everything should be fine...but it's definitely not. Any clue what I need to do? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
EK Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits to the EK local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given in EK both cases ... Not so, on two points: (1) the newspaper is obviously available to anyone (it's on the newsstands), and not only to a selected group, and Not always so, I know of many newspapers that go to subscribers only (which local libraries are often among). This is especially true of places without newstands. (2) the messages to the newspaper appear in print and are thus much less ephemeral than e-mail messages. I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of media going on here. Newspapers are printed on newspaper which gives them a very short lifespan. More importantly, e-mail by its nature is delivered to mail servers which almost without exception store the mail to a persistent data store (often an hard disk). In this way, mail is archived (sometimes nearly permanently) and is not ephemeral at all. I have mail myself that dates back some 5 years, as long as I've been a computer user. A person sending a letter to a newspaper knows that everyone may see it, because he saw the newspaper on the newsstands--that's how newspapers are. He also knows that his letter may be archived, because newspapers are on paper and are often kept in morgues indefinitely. Though this simply isn't how all newspapers are, one posting to a public (meaning without exception anyone wishing to may subscribe to it) mailing list knows that the submission may be archived (for instance because the sign-up page references that all posts are archived). The person also knows that anyone (not everyone in this case because that would be spam) may see it because anyone may have requested the mailing list mail. Further, there is no way for the person submitting the message to know who or how many people will see it nor for how long they will keep it. [Snip for lack of current relevance] Many periodicals impose conditions on anyone writing letters to the editor, which they clearly state in the same place where they give instructions on how to send letters to the editor. Many also do not. The common theme is only that they give a method for submission (as mailing lists do). Envisioning the paper I was thinking of (I'm from a small town), it suits your model much better in that it is only given to subscribers and does not go into detail on special requirements for submissions, it simply says that If you would like to submit, please send to and the address. You city folk complicate things. In this sort of instance, it still seems unlikely that a submitter could request that their submission be removed from existence, especially the libraries archive. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very general shutdown question
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:49:22 + From: Dick Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question To: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii * Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] [0203 23:03]: Hello Ned, you can add the user to the operator group. it is possible to run shutdown then (but not halt etc). Be caneful of that, I think operator has other privileges too (can read from any disk for starters). Can't you just install sudo and give them permission to sudo shutdown. If it needs to be scripted you can do it so it doesn't ask for a password. You could also create a shutdown user with a login shell pointing to a shutdown script. But that won't work if they still don't have permission to run it... Hopefully this would allow them to shutdown. Anthony Philipp ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Anthony Atkielski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050208 03:16]: David Gerard writes: DG That would sorta suck. I know I write my questions and answers with DG a view to them being searchable on the web maybe months or years DG later, as I know how very grateful I am to those whose archived DG words have helped me before. Having to search an archive of e-mail messages as a substitute for real support sucks to begin with. I've almost never found anything useful when searching the archives, and even when I have, it takes longer to find it in the archives than it does to just ask the question again. I go to a site called google.com and I enter error messages verbatim, and often what comes back is a pile of mailing list posts. They are far superior to nothing. DG So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of DG any archive. The copyright situation is an unavoidable legal mandate, not an option. You cannot defend against an infringement action by saying that respecting copyright would have been inconvenient for you. Of course. However, I am pointing out that the searchable archive on the web is a fantastically useful thing and worth trying to preserve, not a minor detail not worth considering in the search for a resolution. - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the EK freebsd-questions Archives. EK EK Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that the EK announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked to and EK mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the mailing EK list gets archived. It's not. And there must be no other way of subscribing in order for this method to be valid, anyway. Why do you think that software companies and Web sites and other organizations require you to check a box to accept terms and conditions, instead of just assuming that you read and understand them when they are displayed? -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to get phpMyAdmin working
I managed to get it working by chowning the entire phpMyAdmin dir to www:www. Not sure if that's the best thing, but it works. On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:22:41 -0500, Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you have a php.ini file? what version of apache are you running? did you set up the Ailas in httpd.conf as well as define its access? Alias /phpmyadmin/ /usr/local/www/phpMyAdmin/ Directory /path to phpmyAdmin/phpMyAdmin Options Indexes MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory what is the error in your http error log and/or phperr log file? you will probably see a undefined error somewhere, at least this is what I saw and i have a php.ini file in place. make sure you have: .:/php/includes in you include_path and/or move the php.ini file out of /usr/local/etc dir and restart apache (not graceful as this haas been an issue for leaving the php ini stuff loaded in the past) to see what happens. I am making a stab at your problem here ad might be way, WAY off base however you will have log info in /var/log(your logging dir default) for apache and php (phperr) let us know what is in those logs and I can help out a bit more. recently ran the gauntlet of php installation hell earlier. ken; On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Pat Maddox wrote: I just installed phpMyAdmin from ports, and it didn't look like I needed to make any changes to the config file. Initially I set the authorization type as http, but when it wasn't working, I specified the root username and password and tried config instead. I get this error: phpMyAdmin was unable to read your configuration file! This might happen if php finds a parse error in it or php cannot find the file. Please call the configuration file directly using the link below and read the php error message(s) that you receive. In most cases a quote or a semicolon is missing somewhere. If you receive a blank page, everything is fine. So then I click on the link to config.inc.php like it says, and it's a blank page. So everything should be fine...but it's definitely not. Any clue what I need to do? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
undoing ifconfig plumb?
is this possible? i have a box that is unreachable now after I had ran ifconfig em0 plumb command. I am in the midst of setting up a box that has multiple ip's on a single ethernet connection with differing subnet masks however, in the midst i got botted off the box (ssh kick) and BANG cannot get back in! ssh: connect to host web1.prosoundweb.com port 22: No route to host I need to undo my screw up here. can anyone help out? thanks, ken; ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK Not always so, I know of many newspapers that go to subscribers only EK (which local libraries are often among). This is especially true of EK places without newstands. It doesn't matter where they go. It only matters where they may be expected to go by someone writing to the newspaper. EK I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of media going on EK here. A mailing list isn't the press. EK Newspapers are printed on newspaper which gives them a very EK short lifespan. Most libraries and newspapers have archives going back for decades. EK More importantly, e-mail by its nature is delivered to mail servers EK which almost without exception store the mail to a persistent data EK store (often an hard disk). In this way, mail is archived (sometimes EK nearly permanently) and is not ephemeral at all. These archives are not accessible to the general public. Note that it is perfectly possible to set up a mailing list that forbids local archiving, or any archiving at all. Some mailing lists have good reason to do this. EK Many also do not. They take a greater risk. EK You city folk complicate things. The larger the world, the more complex it becomes. And the Internet covers the planet. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
David Gerard writes: DG I go to a site called google.com and I enter error messages DG verbatim, and often what comes back is a pile of mailing list posts. DG They are far superior to nothing. No doubt, but they are far inferior to a formal, well-organized support system. The lack of support and accountability is FreeBSD's greatest handicap for corporate and mission-critical use. Certainly, the OS is solid and reliable; but if and when it fails, there's nowhere to turn. This same problem afflicts just about all open-source software, and will prove to be a limiting factor in the adoption of open source for the forseeable future. DG Of course. However, I am pointing out that the searchable archive on DG the web is a fantastically useful thing and worth trying to DG preserve, not a minor detail not worth considering in the search for DG a resolution. You can preserve it if you place it in the proper framework. But you must also recognize that you may not be able to organize it exactly as you wish without infringing the rights of others. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
perl upgrade broke 5.3 system
Hello, I just updated ports after being away for two weeks. The update process itself went fine, my problem came when i ran the command to update perl-dependent ports as suggested in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I got a bunch of failed updates, php4-extensions, and any of my p5* ports, apache2, subversion, ices, etc. I've tried manually running portupgrade packagename but all i get is a prompt, it's as if portupgrade thinks everything is updated, but dependent perl ports are not working. The noticer was when MailScanner couldn't find SpamAssassin although the latest version of both ports are installed. On another question when i install a port if it installs dependencies and those are only needed by that port, when i uninstall the port i'd like to updte and remove those dependencies as well, is this doable? Some urgency! Thanks. Dave. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
It doesn't matter where they go. It only matters where they may be expected to go by someone writing to the newspaper. right. And in this case, the person expects it to go to untold and unnamed numbers of people who desire to see the message. Which is, after all, exactly who's seeing it. EK I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of media going on EK here. A mailing list isn't the press. That's why this is an analogy. I'm not saying that a mailing list is the press, in this case, it certainly doesn't carry news, really, it's more like the opinions section of a newspaper which is also not the press. EK Newspapers are printed on newspaper which gives them a very EK short lifespan. Most libraries and newspapers have archives going back for decades. Likewise, most mailing lists have archives going back for decades. EK More importantly, e-mail by its nature is delivered to mail servers EK which almost without exception store the mail to a persistent data EK store (often an hard disk). In this way, mail is archived (sometimes EK nearly permanently) and is not ephemeral at all. These archives are not accessible to the general public. Generally true, though there are exceptions. Note that it is perfectly possible to set up a mailing list that forbids local archiving, or any archiving at all. Some mailing lists have good reason to do this. I simply don't see how a mailing list would forbid local archiving, that simply is how email works. The message goes out and sits on the computer that it was sent to. Certainly there is no way to outlaw it being stored on that server. [the next in regards to papers not publishing guidelines for submitting, but only a method] (the content must have accidentally gotten snipped) EK Many also do not. They take a greater risk. Perhaps they take a greater risk, or perhaps things are simpler than that. Perhaps, upon submitting something according to the simple instructions with intent for it to be published, it gets published as the general populous would expect...Often things are not complicated. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?]
Since the computers are necessary for both work and play, I consider running them to be electricity wisely used. I do turn the monitors off when I'm not home, but since they are all flat panels now, that represents only a trivial amount of electricity. That reminds me: Please also consider fire hazards! I have had a CRT-monitor catching on fire. -- Hilsen Lars -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ifconfig: SIOCIFDESTROY: Invalid argument, was (undoing ifconfig plumb?)
ok i got back into the box however when i try; ifconfig em0 unplumb i receive: ifconfig: SIOCIFDESTROY: Invalid argument I was booted in the midst of the process (ssh kickoff) and think that I might have been partially done with the plumb and 'up' ifconfig steps. how can i undo all that 'plumb' and 'up' commands did for ifconfig? thanks, ken; On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Ken Hawkins wrote: is this possible? i have a box that is unreachable now after I had ran ifconfig em0 plumb command. I am in the midst of setting up a box that has multiple ip's on a single ethernet connection with differing subnet masks however, in the midst i got botted off the box (ssh kick) and BANG cannot get back in! ssh: connect to host web1.prosoundweb.com port 22: No route to host I need to undo my screw up here. can anyone help out? thanks, ken; ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Anthony Atkielski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050208 03:53]: David Gerard writes: DG I go to a site called google.com and I enter error messages DG verbatim, and often what comes back is a pile of mailing list posts. DG They are far superior to nothing. No doubt, but they are far inferior to a formal, well-organized support system. Actually, I most profitably apply it in my day job, which is administering Solaris ;-) The purpose of vendors is to say to your boss that you have an SLA; getting actual *support* out of anyone (with exceptions like NetApp) is something best avoided IME. The lack of support and accountability is FreeBSD's greatest handicap for corporate and mission-critical use. Certainly, the OS is solid and reliable; but if and when it fails, there's nowhere to turn. Corporate arse-covering rather than actual support, but yeah. I am told the horrible tale of a friend who is having to shift a pile of servers from FreeBSD to Red Hat because Red Hat have SLAs and they couldn't find sufficiently corporate-looking support for FreeBSD that did. This same problem afflicts just about all open-source software, and will prove to be a limiting factor in the adoption of open source for the forseeable future. The trick will be to get organisations offering SLAs interested in the program. Even then the fact that it's hard to undercut $0 is a powerful factor in its spread. That is, if fame is your interest; FreeBSD's is mostly to do a very nice operating system. NetBSD's interest is even less oriented in this direction - they want to produce a beautiful piece of computer science. DG Of course. However, I am pointing out that the searchable archive on DG the web is a fantastically useful thing and worth trying to DG preserve, not a minor detail not worth considering in the search for DG a resolution. You can preserve it if you place it in the proper framework. But you must also recognize that you may not be able to organize it exactly as you wish without infringing the rights of others. Of course. However, I must also point out that avoiding what we at Wikipedia call copyright paranoia is also important. Is someone *actually likely* to sue? Will it be a lone nutter or will there be hundreds of people? What could be argued to be the reasonable expectation? What constitutes fair use? When can no harm no foul be likely to apply? These questions require actual Combat Lawyers and aren't going to be sorted out in idle mailing list chitchat. Realistically: a FreeBSD mailing list copyright apocalypse is not likely. If it seems likely, there are enough soft steps to take first. The sky is not in fact falling. - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel EMT64 Xeon vs AMD Opteron
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Scott Long wrote: With FreeBSD, it's a bit of a toss-up. There is no strong affinity set or enforced between process memory and where the process is running. Having some notion of affinity (i.e. NUMA support) would be a good thing. Oh, and the 4+2 configurations are typically pretty poor, regardless. For non-NUMA-aware operating systems, you should turn on Node Interleaving for the memory system which will spread the memory accesses across all processors. Hopefully all multi-processor Opteron system BIOSes will give you this option, my Tyan S2885 does. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest, most open, and most stable OS on the planet - Available for IA32, IA64, AMD64, PC98, Alpha, and UltraSPARC architectures - PowerPC, ARM, MIPS, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is putting a reply at the top of the message frowned upon? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
On Monday 07 February 2005 08:16 am, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Gerard writes: DG That would sorta suck. I know I write my questions and answers with DG a view to them being searchable on the web maybe months or years DG later, as I know how very grateful I am to those whose archived DG words have helped me before. Having to search an archive of e-mail messages as a substitute for real support sucks to begin with. I've almost never found anything useful when searching the archives, and even when I have, it takes longer to find it in the archives than it does to just ask the question again. If you want real support, that costs money, and it doesn't matter if you're talking about BSD, Linux, Windows, Solaris, etc. DG So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of DG any archive. The copyright situation is an unavoidable legal mandate, not an option. You cannot defend against an infringement action by saying that respecting copyright would have been inconvenient for you. Again, what are the damages? - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
On Monday 07 February 2005 08:37 am, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the EK freebsd-questions Archives. EK EK Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that the EK announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked to and EK mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the mailing EK list gets archived. It's not. And there must be no other way of subscribing in order for this method to be valid, anyway. Why do you think that software companies and Web sites and other organizations require you to check a box to accept terms and conditions, instead of just assuming that you read and understand them when they are displayed? Since this is a volunteer organization, and it seems to me that you have the most interest in it, and if you refuse to let this go, then I have a suggestion. Hire a lawyer and write up a legally sound plan, and then submit it. Until then, you're demanding things of people that simply aren't going to happen, just because you demand it. - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
On Monday 07 February 2005 08:13 am, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK I don't see that a mailing list would need such a thing. The EK submissions are given under the understanding that they shall be EK publicly available both to subscribers and non subscribers in their EK favourite restaurants and libraries. There is no such understanding with respect to a mailing list. Do you have examples of case law to back up your assertion? - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?]
Since the computers are necessary for both work and play, I consider running them to be electricity wisely used. I do turn the monitors off when I'm not home, but since they are all flat panels now, that represents only a trivial amount of electricity. That reminds me: Please also consider fire hazards! I have had a CRT-monitor catching on fire. Of course, I forgot to mention that all the machines are connected to a KVM switch arrangement - one monitor which is constantly off (emergency console access only). The KVM switch arrangement is an exciting exercise in spaghetti cable contortion, being two four port switches attached to a two port switch. These switches should technically not be able to work without a power supply but evidently they work just fine. I don't question the arrangement, I just observe it from across the room. We get along fine. Mark -- PGP: http://www.darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt B776 43DC 8A5D EAF9 2126 9A67 A7DA 390F DEFF 9DD1 pgpFu0k8tYCq1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: favor
On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: EK Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits to the EK local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given in EK both cases ... Not so, on two points: (1) the newspaper is obviously available to anyone (it's on the newsstands), and not only to a selected group, and Not always so, I know of many newspapers that go to subscribers only (which local libraries are often among). This is especially true of places without newstands. Given that the it is rather common sense that the Internet has a long memory about things, and that this is a mailing list going out to any wazoo who subscribes, and that there are archives that are known to exist by anyone who bothers to take a few moments to look at what they're getting into by posting, and that people have been quoted and quoted and quoted so many times from the previous posts that it would be nearly impossible to purge a person's entire transcript from each and every message out there in which it's been quoted short of an EM burst that would wipe out every computers' hard drive on the planet, as well as the difficulty in getting copyright agreements to stick equally to me, you, and Ichabod in the country of Elbonia, wouldn't it make sense just to say, If you don't want it known to everyone, encrypt it...if you want people's help, post it in cleartext, and risk it forever quoting the fact that you were at some point ignorant of a subject and asking for help? I mean, how many people have even touched on the subject of copyright infringment by the fact that I am quoting two other people in this message, and this is something done CONSTANTLY with hundreds of thousands of messages out there? You give consent by letting your words fly out there. You sent it, I got it, don't want me to read it, shoulda' encrypted it or not sent it at all. c'mon...sending to a mailing list where there are little if any safeguards to restrict access kinda' should imply that you're giving consent for others to get the messages and may reproduce it. Hell, if anything, it's a safeguard. I've seen some people on Usenet that have used the Google cache to point out where someone twisted or altered quoting of their original messages so the fact that it's archived and mirrored *helped* them prove they said what they claimed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the EK freebsd-questions Archives. EK EK Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that the EK announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked to and EK mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the mailing EK list gets archived. It's not. And there must be no other way of subscribing in order for this method to be valid, anyway. Why do you think that software companies and Web sites and other organizations require you to check a box to accept terms and conditions, instead of just assuming that you read and understand them when they are displayed? You mean the boilerplate like the one for the CD I just recently installed telling me what I could run their program on, only to discover that their program was nothing but a bunch of PDF files hyperlinked by an index.html page? PLEASE. These companies don't even bother reading their own license agreements anymore. They get some generic thing drafted by their lawyer (or steal someone else's) and spew it into their packaged software to cover their butts. The one I read was definitely for an application of some kind, but the content on the CD was definitely NOT an application. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .snap
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] What are .snap directories ? Take a look at these references: - mksnap_ffs(8) - dump(8) [under the -L option] - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot Svein Halvor So that means i can delete the directories right :) What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup image of the hd ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: perl upgrade broke 5.3 system
On Monday 07 February 2005 09:02 am, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I just updated ports after being away for two weeks. The update process itself went fine, my problem came when i ran the command to update perl-dependent ports as suggested in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I got a bunch of failed updates, php4-extensions, and any of my p5* ports, apache2, subversion, ices, etc. I've tried manually running portupgrade packagename but all i get is a prompt, it's as if portupgrade thinks everything is updated, but dependent perl ports are not working. The noticer was when MailScanner couldn't find SpamAssassin although the latest version of both ports are installed. Well, it's always tricky. What I did this time is: % pkg_info -R perl\* ~/perlports A list of dependencies is now in the text file perlports. In order to get a working environment, I did this first (I use xfce4 on this machine): # portupgrade -rRf xfce Then I force-upgraded all the rest of the xorg ports that weren't upgraded by that command, then all libraries, then individual programs, and finally the ports in meta ports, then the meta ports themselves. Most of this was done automatically; I copied perlports to a different file, edited out some lines, and added commands, put the list in the order stated previously, set the file as executable, then I ran it as a script. Most of the lines in the script look like this (yelp is an example): portupgrade -f yelp-2.6.5 ; It took a long time, as always, but I had zero problems. I also had xfce4, SpamAssassin, KMail and some other programs I use all the time up and running right away. I'm sure this could be done in a more automated fashion, but I've always run into dependency problems that way, if ports aren't upgraded in the right order, e.g., libraries first, so there's always clean up work to do. I avoided that this time, though it took a little longer to have each upgrade be a separate line in a script. On another question when i install a port if it installs dependencies and those are only needed by that port, when i uninstall the port i'd like to updte and remove those dependencies as well, is this doable? Some urgency! Yes, as long as those dependencies aren't needed elsewhere. You can run the pkg_info -r command to find out, then run pkg_info -R on the dependencies, or you can run: make pretty-print-run-depends-list make pretty-print-build-depends-list in the appropriate port folder (e.g., /usr/ports/www/firefox). There's also sysutils/pkg_cutleaves . - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very general shutdown question
Well thanks, too bad I was planning on using those to make my backup
jobs easier. Anyway, here is a quick C program to accomplish the same
thing:
/* main.c */
#include unistd.h
#include stdlib.h
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
extern char **environ;
execve(/sbin/halt, argv, environ);
return EXIT_SUCCESS; /* note: we never actually get here */
}
to compile it, but type 'gcc main.c'
then copy a.out to /halt
then 'chown root:wheel /halt'
then 'chmod a+s /halt'
But when I got done writing and testing the program, I thought to myself:
Why not just set /sbin/halt to SUID root?
--
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Re: .snap
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:03:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] What are .snap directories ? Take a look at these references: - mksnap_ffs(8) - dump(8) [under the -L option] - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot Svein Halvor So that means i can delete the directories right :) What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup image of the hd ? Rather than filling up the archives with it again, I'll send you by private e-mail to messages I wrote about a month ago that addressed these issues. -- John Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Python with threading core dumps on 5.3
I am consistantly getting seg faults and bus errors when running a multi threaded python application under 5.3-release-p2. Python was built from the port(python 2.4) with threading enabled. Rebuilding with the huge stack size option enabled didn't make a difference. The application uses twisted (www.twistedmatrix.com) and it runs fine until I put it under a bit of a load and have 20-30 simultaneous threads running. Then it core dumps. Following is the backtrace from the core file. The backtrace is always the same. Are threads just generally problematic on Freebsd? #0 0x2823cdbb in pthread_testcancel () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 #1 0x28234b06 in pthread_mutexattr_init () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 #2 0x in ?? () ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SOLVED] Re: jade error: Undefined symbol _ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:23:46AM -0300, Alejandro Pulver wrote: I solved the problem. The reason was that I installed 'sp' (textproc/sp) from a package (sp-1.3.4) (as the 'fdp-primer' says) and it overrited (without saying it conflicts with 'jade') the following programs/libraries: bin/nsgmls bin/sgmlnorm bin/spam bin/spent bin/sx [ header files in include/sp ] lib/libsp.a lib/libsp.so.1 Yes, that looks unfriendly. You should file a PR requesting that a CONFLICTS directive be added so that this problem does not happen again to someone else. Kris pgpKru6Hg6VBx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:08:54AM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: If you don't have it in your kernel, the module will be loaded at boot time if it's available. If you don't have the module either, you can't use ipfilter. I must have been using the module with 4.7 stable since I did not have that in the kernel I was running with 4.7. After I upgraded to 4.11 and IPF was not working I edited my kernel config file to uncomment the lines for IPF and then compiled the new kernel. I still don't have an answer why this happened. Was the module taken out of 4.11 or an earlier version on FreeBSD? No, it's still there as long as you build modules. If you have NO_MODULES in your make.conf, you won't, of course. Kris pgpO2G6Zeff7w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: favor
Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK Perhaps they take a greater risk, or perhaps things are simpler than EK that. Perhaps, upon submitting something according to the simple EK instructions with intent for it to be published, it gets published EK as the general populous would expect...Often things are not EK complicated. You forget the most likely option of all: For years, cyberspace was dominated by geeks, and ignored by lawyers and the general public. Now, with the general public and the lawyers watching cyberspace very closely indeed, it will no longer be possible for the geeks to get away with doing whatever they want, for better or for worse. Greater regulation and legal hassles are the trend for the future. Pretending it isn't happening will only leave one all the more vulnerable to it as it arrives. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: perl upgrade broke 5.3 system
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 12:02:08PM -0500, dave wrote: Hello, I just updated ports after being away for two weeks. The update process itself went fine, my problem came when i ran the command to update perl-dependent ports as suggested in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I got a bunch of failed updates, php4-extensions, and any of my p5* ports, apache2, subversion, ices, etc. I've tried manually running portupgrade packagename but all i get is a prompt, it's as if portupgrade thinks everything is updated, but dependent perl ports are not working. portupgrade -f The noticer was when MailScanner couldn't find SpamAssassin although the latest version of both ports are installed. It sounds like some of the ports are still installed in the perl 5.8.5 directory, so the newer ports that have been rebuilt against perl 5.8.6 cannot find them. That was what the command in UPDATING was supposed to fix though, so maybe there is a corner case that was not covered. If you can reproduce this, talk to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. On another question when i install a port if it installs dependencies and those are only needed by that port, when i uninstall the port i'd like to updte and remove those dependencies as well, is this doable? Not automatically, because the system can't know if you're actually using any of those build-time dependencies yourself (e.g. you might be using gmake or gcc 3.4 for your own non-port projects), but the pkg_cutleaves port can help to do this. Kris pgpcz5zAQYGAu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Python with threading core dumps on 5.3
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:14:36AM -0800, Payment Online wrote: I am consistantly getting seg faults and bus errors when running a multi threaded python application under 5.3-release-p2. Python was built from the port(python 2.4) with threading enabled. Rebuilding with the huge stack size option enabled didn't make a difference. The application uses twisted (www.twistedmatrix.com) and it runs fine until I put it under a bit of a load and have 20-30 simultaneous threads running. Then it core dumps. Following is the backtrace from the core file. The backtrace is always the same. Are threads just generally problematic on Freebsd? You'll need to recompile with debugging symbols in order to get a useful trace. The python maintainer might be able to talk you through this. Kris #0 0x2823cdbb in pthread_testcancel () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 #1 0x28234b06 in pthread_mutexattr_init () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 #2 0x in ?? () pgpDBe8pLv8vI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Should nwfs and ncp* be working in 5.3R?
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:08:16AM -0500, Bob Johnson wrote: I'm trying to use nwfs and the ncp- utilities and when I do I get a kernel panic (at the moment I forget which one). Should they be working in 5.3R? ISTR there were bugs in 5.3-R that were fixed in 5.3-STABLE (these systems are not widely used, and it seems that none of the users tested them during the prerelease period). Try updating. Kris pgpKL5K6GSpW2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: favor
David Gerard writes: DG Actually, I most profitably apply it in my day job, which is administering DG Solaris ;-) The purpose of vendors is to say to your boss that you have an DG SLA; getting actual *support* out of anyone (with exceptions like NetApp) DG is something best avoided IME. Sometimes you need support quickly, more quickly than you can manage on your own ... especially for mission-critical servers. That's when a complete formal support structure becomes invaluable. And that's what is missing from most open-source software, including FreeBSD. DG Corporate arse-covering rather than actual support, but yeah. I am DG told the horrible tale of a friend who is having to shift a pile of DG servers from FreeBSD to Red Hat because Red Hat have SLAs and they DG couldn't find sufficiently corporate-looking support for FreeBSD DG that did. Exactly. You can run FreeBSD in these environments IF you have highly qualified in-house personnel to maintain it. It doesn't matter how reliable FreeBSD is, you need _someone_ who can fix it in an emergency. And if no such person is available with a phone call outside your organization, you need the expertise in-house. And if you don't have it in-house, you can't use FreeBSD. Linux is only marginally better. You need an external support organization with extremely competent technicians that has agreed to provide you with some specific level of support, such that they risk a lawsuit if they don't cough up when you call. Then you get support. DG The trick will be to get organisations offering SLAs interested in the DG program. Even then the fact that it's hard to undercut $0 is a powerful DG factor in its spread. Getting those organizations interested in open source will effectively negate most of the advantages of open source. You'll be paying someone for your software again, and you'll be dependent on them again, and you'll be using their proprietary solutions ... again. DG Realistically: a FreeBSD mailing list copyright apocalypse is not DG likely. True. But it only takes one lawsuit to wipe out the entire project. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Joshua Tinnin writes: JT If you want real support, that costs money, and it doesn't matter JT if you're talking about BSD, Linux, Windows, Solaris, etc. Yes, and that's the paradox of open source. There's really no such thing as a free lunch. Even if you know your product inside and out and support it yourself, it still costs you your time, and time is money. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
Joshua Tinnin writes: JT Since this is a volunteer organization, and it seems to me that you JT have the most interest in it, and if you refuse to let this go, then JT I have a suggestion. Hire a lawyer and write up a legally sound JT plan, and then submit it. Until then, you're demanding things of JT people that simply aren't going to happen, just because you demand JT it. I'm not demanding; I'm warning. And I would volunteer, but I have to dedicate most of my waking hours to paying the rent and groceries. We are not all independently wealthy. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python with threading core dumps on 5.3
You'll need to recompile with debugging symbols in order to get a useful trace. The python maintainer might be able to talk you through this. Ok I'll do that in a bit and post the results. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: favor
On Monday 07 February 2005 11:17 am, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK Perhaps they take a greater risk, or perhaps things are simpler than EK that. Perhaps, upon submitting something according to the simple EK instructions with intent for it to be published, it gets published EK as the general populous would expect...Often things are not EK complicated. You forget the most likely option of all: For years, cyberspace was dominated by geeks, and ignored by lawyers and the general public. Now, with the general public and the lawyers watching cyberspace very closely indeed, it will no longer be possible for the geeks to get away with doing whatever they want, for better or for worse. Greater regulation and legal hassles are the trend for the future. Pretending it isn't happening will only leave one all the more vulnerable to it as it arrives. Yes, but waving your hands in the air doesn't solve anything. Moreover, you haven't proven that your issues with the way the list is run is a legal liability. Although anyone can speculate about law, when you're getting into this area, it helps a lot if you're qualified to speak with authority. If it is indeed a liability, you need to do more than posit that it might be, and you should have some examples to back up your assertions. If you're asking FreeBSD to change their mailing list, then you have to present more than a layperson's opinion that there might be a problem, and, really, you should have a solution, otherwise all you're doing is waving your hands. - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:08:54AM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: If you don't have it in your kernel, the module will be loaded at boot time if it's available. If you don't have the module either, you can't use ipfilter. I must have been using the module with 4.7 stable since I did not have that in the kernel I was running with 4.7. After I upgraded to 4.11 and IPF was not working I edited my kernel config file to uncomment the lines for IPF and then compiled the new kernel. I still don't have an answer why this happened. Was the module taken out of 4.11 or an earlier version on FreeBSD? No, it's still there as long as you build modules. If you have NO_MODULES in your make.conf, you won't, of course. Kris Attachment converted: osx:Untitled 3599 (/) (000B9F03) I'm using the same /etc/make.conf file when I first put this box online in 2002. In that make.conf file the line is commented out: #NO_MODULES=true# do not build modules with the kernel But the question for me is still, how did this work in 4.7 if the above was commented out in my /etc/make.conf file and I did not have these uncommented in my kernel config file when I built my custom kernel for 4.7? options IPFILTER options IPFILTER_LOG Thanks, Jim ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?]
On 02/07/05 09:21 AM, Svein Halvor Halvorsen sat at the `puter and typed: * Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the time it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save power you should shut down your computer over night. Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does for Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that heat comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than leaving your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You might just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! (Of course this argument is not valid if you need to cool your house, or if you use radiators, water-born heating, a wood-burning stove or something else other than electricity to warm up your house) I'm coming into this thread a bit late, but if you go to http://www.energyfederation.org/consumer/default.php On the left nav frame, go to Products / Meters Monitors / Electricity Meters / P3 Kill a WATT You'll see a neat little gadget that will tell you exactly what your computers electrical usage is. It should be pretty easy to match up with your electric bill and see what the cost would be. This unit is designed for the US power grid, but I'm sure a little googling will give you an idea what to expect for Europe and other parts of the planet. BTW, I have my primary system up 24/7. My last machine, which was an older Dell Optiplex G1 to begin with, ran almost nonstop for nearly 3 years. Only reboots were for upgrades and loss of power. Other machines are typically delegated to hibernation when not needed. HTH Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Heisenberg may have been here. pgpa2HJRVEd1z.pgp Description: PGP signature
ISP connection issue
I am fairly new at *nix and FreeBSD. I am attempting to run a privately owned, publically accessible web server from a PC running FreeBSD 4.8. I configured ppp.conf and rc.conf for the *old* ISP settings (the ones that worked a year ago), and now they do now work. I cannot connect the machine to the ISP. Although PPP does enable, I cannot resolve any domains. The ISP is Bell-Sympatico (Canada), and they are completely unwilling to help me, or provide software that will accommodate *nix systems specifically. They do, however, have PPPoE software for Linux. Since I am new to FreeBSD, I do not want to try this software unless I know it will work ok. The software is available here http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.viewcontent_id=1138category_id=99 I have tried every possible option I could conjure-up with no avail. I have even exhaustively searched the FreeBSD Handbook and Man pages on-line, and other resources (such as Google) were no help. I thank you for any help yous' may provide to me. I am running short on time and patience in getting this system on-line. If this should have been send elsewhere, please let me know. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer vs xine
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:42:05 -0800, Loren M. Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 01:59:39AM +0100, Danny Pansters wrote: On Saturday 5 February 2005 02:50, Rob wrote: Jacob S wrote: I like mplayer for cli stuff and xine for gui. Mainly because the cli stuff I do is downloading and converting streams from wma/rm to wav/ogg/mp3, etc. and I use the gui for watching videos and such. How do you convert realmedia to other formats with mplayer? Or maybe first: how do you play realmedia streams with mplayer? I have installed: mplayer-gtk2-0.99.5_6 linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 win32-codecs-2.1.0.p5,1 I can't play realplay streams with mplayer. When I do: mplayer -vo x11 rtsp://some.site.com/movie.rm; I get lots of output in my terminal, among wich I see: Opening video decoder: [realvid] RealVideo decoder opening shared obj '/usr/local/lib/win32/drv4.so.6.0' Error: Shared object libc.so.6 not found, required by drv4.so.6.0 opening win32 dll 'drv4.so.6.0' But libc.so.6 is in /usr/compat/linux/lib. Hmm, why is that not found? I then did ldconfig -m /usr/compat/linux/lib That helped. I started mplayer again, but then mplayer crashed, as follows: [...snip...] == Opening audio decoder: [realaud] RealAudio decoder opening shared obj '/usr/local/lib/win32/cook.so.6.0' MPlayer interrupted by signal 10 in module: init_audio_codec - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen. It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug. == Any idea why I've got such problems with mplayer and real video streams? I never gotten it to work either, a few of the codecs do -- I think the win32 only ones, but not the Unix ones from linux-realplayer. I'm sure mplayer/xine being natively compiled while the real codecs are mostly linux libraries via compat must be the problem. If someone wants to fix this, do look at what NetBSD does. They have a seperate real codecs package for it, I'm not sure what they do but their mplayer/xine do work with the rv1 to 4 codecs, and no errors about cook and all. I've had problems getting mplayer and xine to work with real codecs on linux, some error with cook.dll or something. I think it will only work with rp8 or rp9 codecs, but even though didn't work when I was running in linux. I finally gave up and installed realplayer 10 which works good in both linux and freebsd. Who needs realplayer anyway :P PS when i play a mp3 with xmms i can do as much as i want, it will never interfear with the playing music. With mplayer i can have for example a cash size of 10 secondes but after 10 seconds i can manege to do a buffer underrun. How i can tell mplayer to do the same buffering as xmms ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: favor
On Sun, 2005-02-06 at 15:38 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: many emails :) Sorry if I offended anyone with my previous post re: freebsd-legal mail list. I just feel that all being discussed after the first 20 or so was 3 or 4 individuals expressing their opinions to each other. I _firmly_ believe that all have that right to express themselves. In fact I have fought to protect that right. That being said, I want to say I was wrong. There is more to discuss on this issue and I would like to add something. Poster 1 asks a question. Poster 2 answers with an excellent howto that solves the problem for multitudes. Me, thinking this is great, prints the post. Poster 2 decides he wants the archive wiped clean of his howto. And Freebsd complies. Can I then pass the hard copy to some of my associates without being sued? Keep up the good work. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity bill - OT
On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 17:01 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: I don't know where the rest is going, but I suspect that an aging electric water heater is consuming more than all the computer equipment combined. I put a timer on my hot water heater and only run it a couple of hours per day. Saved about $30 per month. Of course, YMMV, I live in Hawai`i. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISP connection issue
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 03:06:25PM -0500, Shawn B wrote: I am fairly new at *nix and FreeBSD. I am attempting to run a privately owned, publically accessible web server from a PC running FreeBSD 4.8. I configured Maybe a bit OT, but you should consider upgrading to the latest release, especially on a machine accessible from the internet. Check your agreement with the ISP. Some ISPs expressly forbid you to run a server, or they might require you to ask permission first. You'll probably need a static IP address and a DNS record for your machine to be accessible. If you're new to FreeBSD and UNIX I'd recommend setting up and administrating your own workstation for a while before setting up and maintaining a publicly accessible webserver. If you're only going to administer your machine from the console (which is preferable, IMHO), disable all external access, e.g. by putting something like -:ALL:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL as the only rule in /etc/login.access. Do not run sshd, and certainly not telnet. In fact disable all servers that you do not need, and close all ports (via the firewall) except the ports needed for a web-server (port 80 and what-have-you). Run the webserver in a jail. ppp.conf and rc.conf for the *old* ISP settings (the ones that worked a year ago), and now they do now work. I cannot connect the machine to the ISP. Although PPP does enable, I cannot resolve any domains. Can you reach other hosts by IP address? If so, it's probably just a question of telling your system where to find the nameservers: Add one or two nameserver lines to /etc/resolv.conf. I.e. lines that consist of the word nameserver followed by the IP address of the nameserver (seperated by whitespace). IIRC, you should also add or change the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf to read hosts: files dns. The ISP is Bell-Sympatico (Canada), and they are completely unwilling to help me, or provide software that will accommodate *nix systems specifically. Most ISP's helpdesks I've dealt with are somewhat clueless WRT anything but Windows. Maybe if you can get through one of their networking guys (who'll probably be running some kind of UNIX) you might get some more meaningfull answers. I have tried every possible option I could conjure-up with no avail. I have even exhaustively searched the FreeBSD Handbook and Man pages on-line, and other resources (such as Google) were no help. See e.g. §11.10 in the manual on configuration files, especially §11.10.2. HTH, Roland -- R.F. Smith /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign r s m i t h @ x s 4 a l l . n l \ /No HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ X No Word docs in e-mail public key: http://www.keyserver.net / \Respect for open standards pgpkIQo2d4tup.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fwd: /var Full
You might want to try doing a cd /var and then try the command du -h which will show how much space each directory is using thus showing what is eating up your space. Compare this to df -h and if the numbers dont hash out a process is keeping disk space. To find out which process could be doing that you can install lsof from /usr/ports/sysutils/lsof In my case it was as easy as killing apache and restarting it and I cleared up hundreds of MB of space. -- Forwarded message -- From: Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:24:41 +1000 Subject: Re: /var Full To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:19 am, Erik Norgaard wrote: Warren wrote: im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir Although you have now found your solution, I'd recommend for such a question to submit the output of 'du -d1' instead - this will show which directories are using up the space. Cheers, Erik enterprise# du -d1 /var 2 /var/.snap 2 /var/account 6 /var/at 16 /var/backups 4 /var/crash 8 /var/cron 32946 /var/db 2 /var/empty 2 /var/heimdal 2 /var/log 4 /var/mail 4 /var/msgs 2 /var/preserve 40 /var/run 2 /var/rwho 185556 /var/spool 5376/var/tmp 20 /var/yp 26 /var/named 28 /var/smtpd 224050 /var -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISP connection issue
You dont need any software from sympatico, you can use ppp from FreeBSD to do pppoe. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html make sure your username ends with @sympatico.ca, then make sure you get valid sympatico DNS servers in your /etc/resolv.conf file. -- I worked at sympatico once, their real bitches about unix/linux support, and to think the guy from roaring penguin who wrote the linux pppoe client onced worked for them. they should at least recommend that one! -- -Rick On February 7, 2005 03:06 pm, Shawn B wrote: I am fairly new at *nix and FreeBSD. I am attempting to run a privately owned, publically accessible web server from a PC running FreeBSD 4.8. I configured ppp.conf and rc.conf for the *old* ISP settings (the ones that worked a year ago), and now they do now work. I cannot connect the machine to the ISP. Although PPP does enable, I cannot resolve any domains. The ISP is Bell-Sympatico (Canada), and they are completely unwilling to help me, or provide software that will accommodate *nix systems specifically. They do, however, have PPPoE software for Linux. Since I am new to FreeBSD, I do not want to try this software unless I know it will work ok. The software is available here http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.viewcontent_id=1138c ategory_id=99 I have tried every possible option I could conjure-up with no avail. I have even exhaustively searched the FreeBSD Handbook and Man pages on-line, and other resources (such as Google) were no help. I thank you for any help yous' may provide to me. I am running short on time and patience in getting this system on-line. If this should have been send elsewhere, please let me know. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rimasec Internet Services www.rimasec.net / [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (514) 998-7830 / fax: (514) 998-7130 Owner Systems Administrator / Rick Fournier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) GnuPG / PGP Key: 31846E22 (http://www.rimasec.net/keys/rick.asc) Key Fingerprint: B1E3 AE2E C867 F491 BF9F 9485 7818 122D 3184 6E22 pgp9KFlaAaqXY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Change Apache version string
I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a 404 Apache displays Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISP connection issue
So, Shawn B wrote: I am fairly new at *nix and FreeBSD. I am attempting to run a privately owned, publically accessible web server from a PC running FreeBSD 4.8. I configured ppp.conf and rc.conf for the *old* ISP settings (the ones that worked a year ago), and now they do now work. I cannot connect the machine to the ISP. Although PPP does enable, I cannot resolve any domains. The ISP is Bell-Sympatico (Canada), and they you mean you can connect? can you ping their gateway ip. domain resolution is done via dns. You need to add the dns server address they provide to your /etc/resolv.conf file by hand, or run your own dnscache. i guess PPPoE only provides a gateway address which is handled by add default HISADDR below. are completely unwilling to help me, or provide software that will accommodate *nix systems sounds like SBC specifically. They do, however, have PPPoE software for Linux. Since I am new to FreeBSD, I do not want to ppp does pppoe out of the box. Here's mine [quote] default: # this was my old pacbell sbc account dynamic ip nunber # my nic card is ed0 pacbell: set log Phase tun command set ifaddr 10.10.0.1/0 10.10.0.2/0 set timeout 0 # my nic card is ed0 set device PPPoE:ed0 set authname [EMAIL PROTECTED] set authkey mypass set dial set login add default HISADDR # nowadays i have static numbers hence this works speakeasy: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command set device /dev/cuaa1 set speed 115200 set dial ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \ \\ AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT set timeout 180 set phone 240 9004 set authname myaccount set authkey mypasswd set login TIMEOUT 10 \\ \\ gin:--gin: \\U word: \\P add default HISADDR [/quote] I have tried every possible option I could conjure-up with no avail. I have even exhaustively searched the FreeBSD Handbook and Man pages on-line, and other resources (such as Google) were no help. you mean here? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html then [snip] 21.5.3 Running ppp As root, you can run: # ppp -ddial name_of_service_provider [/snip] That would translate into ppp -ddial pacbell or ppp -ddial speakeasy I thank you for any help yous' may provide to me. I am running short on time and patience in getting this system on-line. If this should have been send elsewhere, please let me know. cross posting is generally frowned upon mario; Micro$oft is nice, as long as it's not required. We Can Put an End to the Requirement: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html B.T.W. do YOU schmut!? --|-- http://www.schmut.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISP connection issue
So, mario wrote: # nowadays i have static numbers hence this works speakeasy: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command set device /dev/cuaa1 set speed 115200 set dial ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \ \\ AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT set timeout 180 set phone 240 9004 set authname myaccount set authkey mypasswd set login TIMEOUT 10 \\ \\ gin:--gin: \\U word: \\P add default HISADDR scrap this!! that is my dial up fallback account :o mario; Micro$oft is nice, as long as it's not required. We Can Put an End to the Requirement: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html B.T.W. do YOU schmut!? --|-- http://www.schmut.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISP connection issue
Their RADIUS servers *should* assign DNS addresses automatically... -Rick On February 7, 2005 04:59 pm, mario wrote: you mean you can connect? can you ping their gateway ip. domain resolution is done via dns. You need to add the dns server address they provide to your /etc/resolv.conf file by hand, or run your own dnscache. i guess PPPoE only provides a gateway address which is handled by add default HISADDR below. -- Rimasec Internet Services www.rimasec.net / [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (514) 998-7830 / fax: (514) 998-7130 Owner Systems Administrator / Rick Fournier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) GnuPG / PGP Key: 31846E22 (http://www.rimasec.net/keys/rick.asc) Key Fingerprint: B1E3 AE2E C867 F491 BF9F 9485 7818 122D 3184 6E22 pgpIbPPGPtOad.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Change Apache version string
quoth the Pat Maddox: I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a 404 Apache displays Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? In your apache conf file change ServerTokens directive: ### Set to one of: Full | OS | Minor | Minimal | Major | Prod ### where Full conveys the most information, and Prod the least. ServerTokens Prod -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 pgpRVzoHEDVBD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Change Apache version string
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:59:19 -0700 Pat Maddox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a 404 Apache displays Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? ServerSignature Off Put this in your httpd.conf file and apache won't show anything ;-) -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .snap
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0600, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:03:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] What are .snap directories ? Take a look at these references: - mksnap_ffs(8) - dump(8) [under the -L option] - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot Svein Halvor So that means i can delete the directories right :) What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup image of the hd ? Rather than filling up the archives with it again, I'll send you by private e-mail to messages I wrote about a month ago that addressed these issues. -- John Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thx so i learnt from this that A) i can delete .snap directories B) snapshot + data = bacup image ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Change Apache version string
If you wanna be more 'adventurous', you could even use ModSecurity[0]. To change you Apache server 'string' to... let's say... IIS? Here's the rule... # Change Server: string SecServerSignature Microsoft-IIS/2.0 (Unix) Have fun. It's easy to learn and to fiddle around with. [0] www.modsecurity.org On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:59:19 -0700, Pat Maddox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a 404 Apache displays Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- teejay teodoro teejay[at]gmail[dot]com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
