Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software > can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that > support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the > source and the license to use it Unfortunately, their fix m

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Loren M. Lang writes: > Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another > machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Hmm ... I don't know if I ever tried that. > Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly > accessing the hardware, but usually the system

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do > all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X > than from Windows. Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP, and both work beautifully. I've never found a s

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Loren M. Lang writes: > That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen > occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Then you have bad device drivers, or you are running software with OS privileges that contains bugs. > Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots witho

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chris writes: > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. > People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. By the way, which thread are you replying to again? Threads live when people participate in them. It takes at least two people to maintain a thread. Th

about cvsup

2005-02-12 Thread jellf nainggolan
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Thomas Foster writes: > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes > to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. Mac used to have a very clear lead in this respect; today that lead has shrunk enormously. If that's all one does with the machine, the Mac is p

Re: ping question

2005-02-12 Thread Loren M. Lang
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok wrote: > Hi all > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd router > but I don't understand ttl (time to live) > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 > Does it set by the router itself? > Can I change it in freebsd? FreeBSD

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham > radio section for it. I'd like to try o

Re: Concealing short disconnects

2005-02-12 Thread Andrew P.
Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 2

usb webcam recommendation

2005-02-12 Thread Paulo Roberto
Hello, Does anybody recommend any usb webcam that is freebsd supported, and still being sold? Googling (and reading the hardware notes for 5.3) I only found information regarding old (off the shelf) models. thanks, Paulo __ Do you Yahoo!? Yah

Belkin wireless card issue

2005-02-12 Thread InsaneToucan
Hey, I just installed FreeBSD and everything works great except for my networking. I have a computer with an integrated network card from Intel, which was picked up fine. However, my other card, a PCI Belkin Wireless F5D7000 is not being recognized. This is a problem because the integrated NIC ha

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Incidentally true, but not always the objective. Rarely. Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are driven primarily or solely by a need to b

Re: Power-down problem on 5.3

2005-02-12 Thread stheg olloydson
it was said: >I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. >Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. > >If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. >Best regards, > >Mikkel C. Simonsen Hello, I just tested it on a 5.3_p5 box

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Paul Mather writes: I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor ultimately accountable for its code. Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Loren M. Lang
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional >

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. -- Anthony Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio

Power-down problem on 5.3

2005-02-12 Thread Mikkel C. Simonsen
I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. Before installing 5.3 I tested 4.11 (with ACPI enabled), and on 4.11 shutdown -p worked. Is there s

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Loren M. Lang
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional >

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Loren M. Lang
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Hello Anthony > > Thanks for your reply. > > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > > > > I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and > e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astro

RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Garance A Drosehn
At 2:06 AM -0800 2/12/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are objecting to. I am glad to hear that this message was the last time you mention it. Thanks. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer

Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver

2005-02-12 Thread stheg olloydson
it was said: >1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or >no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Having such accounts doesn't give you a static IP. A static IP is one that never changes. Only your ISP (Adelphia, in your case) can supply that. >S

Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver

2005-02-12 Thread RL
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030, Paul A. Hoadley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > > > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > > I assume both of

Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver

2005-02-12 Thread Paul A. Hoadley
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll assume your cable provider gives you a d

where can i find the subfont.ttf ?

2005-02-12 Thread Gert Cuykens
where can i find the subfont.ttf for mplayer ? ... Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions T

Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators...

2005-02-12 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Incidentally true, but not always the objective. Rarely. Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatibl

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Thomas Foster
My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. -- Anthony Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that all depends

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Bart Silverstrim writes: > Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > Rarely. Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with other business

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Paul Mather writes: > I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor > ultimately accountable for its code. Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support requests, because they can lose a lot mo

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. Recognizing, not supporting. Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, because it's not what you wan

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
darren kirby writes: > That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case, > but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition. Whatever happened to UNIX _servers_? > There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million > different types of peo

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Pleasedon'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg writes: > A downloaded copy that still exists? ;) How does the downloader know whether the copy is authorized or not? How does he prove it to the copyright holder and/or the licensee? -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebs

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > I think you know the answer to that question perfectly well. There is no answer to that question. That's part of the problem. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/l

Setting up own domain and mailserver

2005-02-12 Thread RL
This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally clear about yet. 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Simple enou

Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far....

2005-02-12 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:16:21PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > P.S. My agreement with Mr. Sm?rgrav's argument should not be construed > as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way > this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few > commiters that made co

The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far....

2005-02-12 Thread stheg olloydson
it was cried into the wilderness of rancor by Dag-Erling Smørgrav on Fri Feb 11 09:30:50 2005: >Likewise, Beastie is a mascot, not a logo. In fact, it fails the >primary and most important test of logoness: it is not exclusive to >the FreeBSD project, but is shared by all BSD projects. It also

Sound VIA VT8237 with numerical channel support ?

2005-02-12 Thread Bachelier Vincent
Hi, Well I have a internal sound card based on chipset via FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xc800 irq 22 (5p/1r/0v channels duplex default) Under linux, alsa drivers support for numerical output. I see that under Freebsd with the kernel drivers, we only have analogi

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Loren M. Lang
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 12:10:26PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > [...] > > > >Still another reason why I prefer FreeBSD is that it places far less > >emphasis on the desktop. Linux has been moving more and more towards a > >desktop because that's where the hype and money

Re: Any success in extracting mpeg from a vcd?

2005-02-12 Thread matt virus
use vcdgear -- it's in the ports collection. Mark Jayson Alvarez wrote: Hi, Do you have any success extracting mpeg files from a vcd?For sure I can play them with mplayer with vcd option but I haven't had any luck extracting them. I've been trying to figure out how vcdgear(console) or vcdxrip(

Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: > > Note: The paypal payment still stands, please provide us with proof > > you have forwarded the email to 250 people and include your paypal > > email address where we can send the money!!! > > What you're suggesting is spammy. I don't doubt your goo

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Paul Mather
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:25:36 +0100, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > > > As I said, that's why you'd contract with one of those outfits in > the > > "Vendors" section. > > If they can do the job. Since they didn't write the code, though, they > aren't ultimat

Re: Problem accessing net from a NAT Firewall

2005-02-12 Thread David Wassman
Micheal, The IP addresses are the same ones used in The Complete FreeBSD from Greg Lehey for the back end network. I can use 192.x.x.x or 172.x.x.x to see if they work. Will let you know. Thanks for the help. David Michael L. Squires wrote: I don't understand this entry: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Dav

Re: Any success in extracting mpeg from a vcd?

2005-02-12 Thread Michael Johnson
On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Mark Jayson Alvarez wrote: Hi, Do you have any success extracting mpeg files from a vcd?For sure I can play them with mplayer with vcd option but I haven't had any luck extracting them. I've been trying to figure out how vcdgear(console) or vcdxrip(vcdimager) works bu

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Shawn Harrison
Chris Zumbrunn wrote [02/12/05 1:53 PM]: Don't you think this Beastie qualifies as a professional logo? http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif He's certainly austere enough with that Roman nose. "Gravitas." -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ fr

Re: problem with realplayer

2005-02-12 Thread Loren M. Lang
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:18:29AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > Loren M. Lang wrote: > > >On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:33:25PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > > > > >>Loren M. Lang wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Anthony Atkielski: > darren kirby writes: > > I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. > > I think it's right on the money. The entire Linux movement is fueled by > hatred for Microsoft. And the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to > build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Pleasedon'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: No. Existing copies would still be distributable and derivable under the original license terms. What constitutes an "existing copy" in a world of downloads? A downloaded copy that still exists? ;) -- R _

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > > No. Existing copies would still be distributable and derivable under > > the original license terms. > What constitutes an "existing copy" in a world of downloads? I think you know the answer to that question perfectl

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Bart Silverstrim writes: > Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. Recognizing, not supporting. > At any rate, what you're essentially saying is that you want to run a > particular application so no matter what happens this is what you must > have and use. Yes. > Do don't even bother asking p

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chuck Swiger writes: > A = "copyright", B = "license". A != B. A license is limited permission to use copyrighted material. A copyright is the right to restrict the use of material without a license. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org ma

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Bart Silverstrim writes: > Um...methinks he was referring to finding your IP to crack your system > since you just announced you don't update it... I've made a note of his premeditation. However, the system in question is not accessible from the Net. -- Anthony __

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Chris Zumbrunn wrote: On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: Maybe just the FreeBSD part and a couple of stylized horns over it, but that would mean Beastie would not be clearly visible and I dont know if I dare to suggest that. ;) I agree something like this... http://top.

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: I never quite liked these arguments. The question to ask is, "What can I use for graphics editing on platform X? What can I use for desktop publishing on platform Y?". Not in this case, because many of these applicati

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Chuck Swiger
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: You need to understand the difference between copyright and license, and stop looking for black helicopters. There isn't any difference. Without copyrights, there are no licenses; without licenses, there are no copyrights. A = "copyright", B = "

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: Chris Zumbrunn wrote: [snip] http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif [snip] Maybe just the FreeBSD part and a couple of stylized horns over it, but that would mean Beastie would not b

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Vonleigh Simmons writes: Rat Bastards at FreeBSD that don't break into the companies, steal the code, and port their apps. I don't understand this comment. I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly a year without a r

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread ad5gb
Did I miss something here? If so, please forgive the intrusion and waste of bandwidth. But I don't recall David saying that FreeBSD had a superior human interface... anywhere. I tend to agree with David having had to try to build software on my FBSD systems that came from the 'Linux community'

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Bart Silverstrim writes: > I never quite liked these arguments. The question to ask is, "What can > I use for graphics editing on platform X? What can I use for desktop > publishing on platform Y?". Not in this case, because many of these applications must produce files that I can share with o

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Joshua Tinnin writes: > I see that you've volunteered your efforts once again in an area you > found lacking. Not in this area, although I did volunteer some DTP work. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.or

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Vonleigh Simmons writes: > Rat Bastards at FreeBSD that don't break into the companies, steal the > code, and port their apps. I don't understand this comment. >> I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly a >> year without a reboot. > > *looks up your IP* My

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chris Zumbrunn
On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: Chris Zumbrunn wrote: [snip] http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif [snip] Maybe just the FreeBSD part and a couple of stylized horns over it, but that would mean Beastie would not be clearly visible and I dont know if I dare to sug

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Joshua Tinnin writes: > Maybe you should write to the developer of Agent and inquire about this > issue. What issue? -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > After taking out all the kernel level stuff for the GUI and other > performance enhancements that MS has made for the gamers and other > people, I would say that it is probably true that the NT kernel and the > BSD kernels are in the same order of magnitude

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Jerry McAllister wrote: Matthias Buelow writes: And your point is..? I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. To where?FreeBSD is not marketed in any particular way - on purpose. No one wants to do it, so no one will do it. jerry I want to, and frequently do, market FreeB

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Feb 12, 2005, at 5:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Michael C. Shultz writes: I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows machines, never my own because it always just works. Maybe you can explain to me ho

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
darren kirby writes: > I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. I think it's right on the money. The entire Linux movement is fueled by hatred for Microsoft. And the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks like Microsoft Windows, but doesn't co

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > No. Existing copies would still be distributable and derivable under > the original license terms. What constitutes an "existing copy" in a world of downloads? -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > To whom? The FreeBSD project is not a legal entity. Then I can release it to the public domain. > That is a very bad idea, because you can't disclaim liability for work > which you release in the public domain. Whether you retain or relinquish the copyright has no

A list question

2005-02-12 Thread Chris
As someone has pointed out before, and NEEDS to be mentioned yet again. Let's move the conversations to the proper lists. Chat and Advocacy come to mind. Let's not continue to fan the flames and have the "Anthony" users out there more reason to "win" users over to another way of thinking/doing/

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > Are you intentionally misinterpreting me? No, I'm correcting you. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as

2005-02-12 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Saturday 12 February 2005 01:58 am, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > This is all very well and good, but is irrelevant to the earlier > > discussion. > > It doesn't have to be relevant to the earlier discussion. It is very > highly relevant

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > You need to understand the difference between copyright and license, > and stop looking for black helicopters. There isn't any difference. Without copyrights, there are no licenses; without licenses, there are no copyrights. -- Anthony __

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Saturday 12 February 2005 02:07 am, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > The committers do know about this and are careful about it. You > > will note that this is discussed more fully here: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cont

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Kevin Kinsey writes: > I'm guessing *you* are atypical in this. I know that I am not. About 95% of all problems with Windows machines are experienced by about 5% of the user base. The rest of the world has no problems. > Most of our Windows boxes are rather stable. But our FreeBSD ones are > s

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Vonleigh Simmons
I have to run these applications for work and play. I therefore cannot use any operating system that doesn't support them on the desktop. Rat Bastards at FreeBSD that don't break into the companies, steal the code, and port their apps. I never allow anything on my machines to be automatically

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Matthias Buelow writes: > Well, if you just run a set of 1-3 applications, and don't do anything > else with the computer, there shouldn't be much of a difference. True, if those applications run identically on both platforms. > Apart from making a political statement, the advantage is > of cour

Re: My thoughts on the list as of late...

2005-02-12 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:11 AM To: FreeBSD - Questions Subject: OT: My thoughts on the list as of late... As I read *some* (mainly because th

Re: Problem with Exim

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Aaron Dalton wrote: Since upgrading to the latest exim (4.44?) I will occasionally notice I am not receiving mail. I will check the server (ps -ax | grep 'exim') and find that there are dozens of exim processes running (exim -bd -q30m). I will do 'exim.sh stop' but

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ramiro Aceves writes: > There are not a myth, they are a fact. I have seen bluescreens > frecuently in win95 and winMillenium. Neither of these is based on NT, and both are dead products. > Now I am out of the winbugs world since 2 years and I am very happy. Perhaps longer than that, if you thi

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
I made the choice of FreeBSD in 1996 for my fledgling hosting business. I considered Linux and FreeBSD. At the time, FreeBSD was considered to have a much better VM system under load, and similar sorts of stability characteristics. I chose FreeBSD then and am glad I did so. I do not know wh

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Paul Mather writes: > As I said, that's why you'd contract with one of those outfits in the > "Vendors" section. If they can do the job. Since they didn't write the code, though, they aren't ultimately accountable for it. > BTW, it is usually not realistic to expect an organisation to have "all

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Saturday 12 February 2005 03:23 am, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > You got to be kidding - you actually prefer this over trn? ;-) > > I've never used trn. Forte Agent works fine for me. I originally > used Outlook Express but I couldn't put custom

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Peter Risdon wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 15:56 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote: [...] Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not by commercial matters, FreeBSD is a commercially viable operatin

Re: Last try: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3

2005-02-12 Thread bsdnooby
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: does it work with 4.11? Ted It does not work with 4.x either. I will collect my hardware specs and post those, shortly. The frustrating thing is that the system simply turns itself off after I choose to install, so there is no error log. I might also post my questi

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 12, 2005, at 5:59 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The stabilities of NT-based systems and UNIX are roughly the same when kernels are compared. How exactly does one do this when the NT kernel code isn't available for perusal? Other than, of course, just running both and assuming that because neit

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Chris Zumbrunn wrote: [snip] Don't you think this Beastie qualifies as a professional logo? http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif Its a major step in the right direction. Personally, I dont really like it, but if it was to be the new logo I would not complain. It would solve most of the print

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Garance A Drosehn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:59 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! And frankly, most FreeBS

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chris Zumbrunn
On Feb 12, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:26 AM To: Chris Zumbrunn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions

Re: FreeBSD Banners ?

2005-02-12 Thread Jordan Michaels
faisal gillani wrote: i want to promote freebsd on my site , where can i find good looking freebsd AD banners ? if you have mail me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks = *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ God is the Greatest Greetings! You can find current banners

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-12 Thread darren kirby
quoth the David Kelly: > Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly > ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to > one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of > "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still > ca

Re: Install 5.3 - Getting mountroot> prompt

2005-02-12 Thread Ean Kingston
On February 12, 2005 12:18 pm, you wrote: > > On February 11, 2005 09:42 pm, Scott wrote: > >> I will really appreciate it of > >> someone can help > >> me out. > >> > >> I am installing 5.3 on a dual p3 > >> server. I have > >> two 160 gig

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:26 AM To: Chris Zumbrunn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

Re: FreeBSD5.2.1 - adduser pw: user 'user' disappeared during update

2005-02-12 Thread Oliver Fuchs
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Louis Harvey wrote: > Hello ! > > For the first time after installing FreeBSD 5.2.1, I am trying to add > a new user, but without success so far. I have tried many times (as > root), with /usr/sbin/adduser and also with /stand/sysinstall > > Configure > User Management > User

Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?

2005-02-12 Thread Michael L. Squires
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I read that somewhere, but then every example shows 256k as being the strip size :( Now, with a 5 drives RAID5 array (which I'll be moving that server to over the next couple of weeks), 256k isn't an issue? or is there something better i should set

Re: ipfilter2ipchains script?

2005-02-12 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Luciano Musacchio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > if not, whats the better solution for a newbie bsd admin to do > firewalls on linux? (long term plan is bsd-migration of course :) The best option is to migrate your firewall to a BSD and use PF. See the PF faq at http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ for

RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger 'Rocky' > Vetterberg > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:26 AM > To: Chris Zumbrunn > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > >

Solved: Re: Install 5.3 - Getting mountroot> prompt

2005-02-12 Thread Scott
> At boot, the normal countdown loader comes > up and it begins to boot. The boot message > gets to this drive section below and then > stops at a "mountroot>" prompt. I believe I have solved my problem. When I was creating partitions, I first created the swap, then /tmp to the si

RE: Last try: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3

2005-02-12 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
does it work with 4.11? Ted > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of bsdnooby > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:40 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Last try: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of > 5.3 > > > HP

FreeBSD5.2.1 - adduser pw: user 'user' disappeared during update

2005-02-12 Thread Louis Harvey
Hello ! For the first time after installing FreeBSD 5.2.1, I am trying to add a new user, but without success so far. I have tried many times (as root), with /usr/sbin/adduser and also with /stand/sysinstall > Configure > User Management > User (Add a new user to the system), but the operation see

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Chris Zumbrunn
On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: I advocate changes, you disagree with me, and then you list a lot of points that should be changed? Im having difficulties with your logic here. :) I'm not against the changes, of course. I'm not "against" a separate freebsd.com site e

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