Re: is 4.11 still a good idea?

[Foo Ji-Haw]

Your point conflicts with the previous reply, that 5.3 is too cutting-edge.
By the way, is there native support for Java 1.4 on FreeBSD 5.x? It 
broke in my ports installation. I did manage to get the Linux compatible 
version up though.

Kris Kennaway wrote:
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 12:02:58PM +0800, Foo Ji-Haw wrote:
 

Hi guys,
I'm thinking of installing 4.11 on my next server, seeing that we have 
some Java issues on the 5.x series (I've been informed that native Java 
on 5.x is not a good idea).
   

Why not?
 

Can I get some feedback on whether development and/ or support on 4.11 
is still active and updated? I've spent quite some time on the 4.x 
series, so I am quite comfortable with it.
   

It's certainly not very active.  Some developers still have an
interest in it, but most of the development and bug fixing activity
goes into the 5.x and 6.x branches.
Kris
 

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Re: is 4.11 still a good idea?

[Kris Kennaway]

On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 12:02:58PM +0800, Foo Ji-Haw wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm thinking of installing 4.11 on my next server, seeing that we have 
> some Java issues on the 5.x series (I've been informed that native Java 
> on 5.x is not a good idea).

Why not?

> Can I get some feedback on whether development and/ or support on 4.11 
> is still active and updated? I've spent quite some time on the 4.x 
> series, so I am quite comfortable with it.

It's certainly not very active.  Some developers still have an
interest in it, but most of the development and bug fixing activity
goes into the 5.x and 6.x branches.

Kris


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Re: OT how to register with google ?

[Mantas Smelevicius]

look at webserver logs. Maybe you block GoogleBot

On 5/9/05, S t i n g r a y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well i have a opensource softwares website which i use
> to promote open software such as freebsd in my region,
> i have registered with google so many time sine soo
> long time , still my site dont come on google ?
> 
> any ideas how to register with google ?
> site is http://www.openpakistan.org/
> 
> thanks
> 
> *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Stingray *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤
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OT how to register with google ?

[S t i n g r a y]

Well i have a opensource softwares website which i use
to promote open software such as freebsd in my region,
i have registered with google so many time sine soo
long time , still my site dont come on google ?

any ideas how to register with google ?
site is http://www.openpakistan.org/


thanks
 

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heavy load proxy+nat server with ipfw ?

[S t i n g r a y]

i want to replace my microsoft based firewall with a
freebsd based firewall + proxy + NAt server based on
ipfw , with internet users approx upto 800-1000
simaltanious . i already have the internet link +
hardware to support it , 
do you guys think ipfw + squid with freebsd will be
able to handle such loads ?


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Re: what is the CVSROOT: SERVER and PORT of freebsd.org CVS?

[Glenn Dawson]

At 09:50 PM 5/8/2005, kylin wrote:
the CVSsoftware i download in sourceforge asks me to
enter in
CVSROOT:
SERVER
PORT
User Name and so on...
so boring ,i just want to get some files new in freebsd 5.4 rc3:(
can some kind hearted help me out?
It's in the handbook...
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/anoncvs.html
-Glenn

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what is the CVSROOT: SERVER and PORT of freebsd.org CVS?

[kylin]

the CVSsoftware i download in sourceforge asks me to
enter in
CVSROOT:
SERVER
PORT
User Name and so on...
so boring ,i just want to get some files new in freebsd 5.4 rc3:(
can some kind hearted help me out?


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5-CURRENT amd64 performance versus i386 performance on same HW

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

I was wondering if anyone has done performance tests, especially  
network and disk IO tests on an opteron system, or preferably a dual  
opteron system, using the 5-CURRENT or similar codebase for both the  
amd64 release as well as the i386 release.  I am wondering how the  
amd64 codebase compares to the i386 codebase on identical HW.  This  
is for a server type use.

I have a single processor opteron that will be put into use as a  
firewall[PF]/router/vpn-gateway for a bunch of other internet servers  
and was wondering whether to go with the amd64 or the i386 versions  
of FreeBSD.  My other opteron (dual) is running i386 version as I had  
some linux and java needs which at the time I put it into service,  
was not readily available on amd64 (which may have changed by now).

Thanks
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Re: kernel support failure [sound] - device snd_ess

[Rob]

Kyle Lafkoff wrote:
> trying to get sound support on dell latitude cpt
> (466) maestro2
> 
> this is the error i get while the kernel compiles:

Don't know about the error.
But for getting the sound support, you can also
simply load the sound modules:

  # kldload sound
  # kldload snd_ess

after which you can try sound.
For future reboots put this in /boot/loader.conf:

  sound_load="YES"
  snd_ess_load="YES"

Rob.

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kernel support failure [sound] - device snd_ess

[Kyle Lafkoff]

trying to get sound support on dell latitude cpt (466)

maestro2

this is the error i get while the kernel compiles:


linking kernel
ess.o(.text+0x14): In function `ess_lock':
: undefined reference to `sbc_lock'
ess.o(.text+0x34): In function `ess_unlock':
: undefined reference to `sbc_unlock'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
laptop#

and the config:

#
# GENERIC -- Generic kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386
#
# For more information on this file, please read the handbook section on
# Kernel Configuration Files:
#
#
http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html
#
# The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook
# if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the
# FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.org/) for the
# latest information.
#
# An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the
# device lines is also present in the ../../conf/NOTES and NOTES files.
# If you are in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first
# in NOTES.
#
# $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.413.2.6.2.2 2004/10/24
18:02:52 scottl Exp $

machine i386
cpu I686_CPU
ident   YOURMOM


device sound
device snd_ess

# To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints
#hints  "GENERIC.hints" # Default places to look for devices.

options SCHED_4BSD  # 4BSD scheduler
options INET# InterNETworking
options INET6   # IPv6 communications protocols
options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support
options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists
options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories
options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device
options NFSCLIENT   # Network Filesystem Client
options NFSSERVER   # Network Filesystem Server
options NFS_ROOT# NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT
#optionsMSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem
options CD9660  # ISO 9660 Filesystem
options PROCFS  # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS)
options PSEUDOFS# Pseudo-filesystem framework
options GEOM_GPT# GUID Partition Tables.
options COMPAT_43   # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4
options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI
options KTRACE  # ktrace(1) support
options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory
options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues
options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores
options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time 
extensions
options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV# install a CDEV entry in /dev
options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT# Print register bitfields in debug
# output.  Adds ~128k to driver.
options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT# Print register bitfields in debug
# output.  Adds ~215k to driver.
options ADAPTIVE_GIANT  # Giant mutex is adaptive.

device  apic# I/O APIC

# Bus support.  Do not remove isa, even if you have no isa slots
device  isa
device  eisa
device  pci

# Floppy drives
device  fdc

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device  ata
device  atadisk # ATA disk drives
#device ataraid # ATA RAID drives
device  atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives
#device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
#device atapist # ATAPI tape drives
options ATA_STATIC_ID   # Static device numbering

#scsi support
device scbus


# atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse
device  atkbdc  # AT keyboard controller
device  atkbd   # AT keyboard
device  psm # PS/2 mouse

device  vga # VGA video card driver

device  splash  # Splash screen and screen saver support

# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console
device  sc

# Enable this for the pcvt (VT220 compatible) console driver
#device vt
#optionsXSERVER # support for X server on a vt console
#optionsFAT_CURSOR  # start with block cursor

device  agp # support several AGP chipsets

# Floating point support - do not disable.
device  npx

# Power management support (

is 4.11 still a good idea?

[Foo Ji-Haw]

Hi guys,
I'm thinking of installing 4.11 on my next server, seeing that we have 
some Java issues on the 5.x series (I've been informed that native Java 
on 5.x is not a good idea).

Can I get some feedback on whether development and/ or support on 4.11 
is still active and updated? I've spent quite some time on the 4.x 
series, so I am quite comfortable with it.

Thanks!
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Re: Learning UNIX internals

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Saturday,  7 May 2005 at 21:13:33 +0300, Sergey S. Ropchan wrote:
> 
>> On 5/7/05, Jon Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>>   I was thinking of getting one of these two books. I want to learn
>>> more about how UNIX and in particular, FreeBSD work. Has anyone read
>>> either of these books?
>>>
>>> UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers
>>> by Uresh Vahalia
>
> I have read this book. I guess it's a good choise not only for you but
> for others too. A lot of useful information about different *nix systems
> implementations with good explanations (mutexe, threads, process,
> scheduler .. etc).

Yes, agreed.  I think that the McKusick book would be better, though.

>>> Design of the UNIX Operating System (Prentice Hall Software Series)
>>> by Maurice J. Bach
>
> This book more difficult (in educational purposes) then book above,
> you can read it after Unix Internals ... by Uresh Vahalia. This is
> my personal opinion.

My advice is "forget it".  It's very old and refers to System V.2.  If
you want a System V book, the Magic Garden by Goodheart and Cox is a
better choice.

Greg
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Re: Unable to set up LPD to use a HP Laserjet 5p in freeBSD 5.3

[Jon Drews]

On 5/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I`m trying to install my HP laserjet 5p on freebsd 5.3.
> The printer doesn`t understand postscript.
> I`ve read the handbook and installed ghostscript and
> lpd.
> I changed rc.conf to start lpd for each system boot.
> 
> dmesg printer part looks like this:
> 
> ppbus0:  HP ENHANCED
> PCL5,PJL
> lpt0:  on ppbus0
> lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
> ppi0:  on ppbus

Hi:

  Let me just say that I have only setup lpd on OpenBSD. I use CUPS on
FreeBSD. I am going from memory here.

You need to get the ljet4 PPD file from here:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_5P

and the foomatic rip script from here:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/download.cgi?filename=foomatic-rip&show=0

The foomatic script runs your *.PPD file (PPD = PstScript Printer Description)

The details are given here:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/lpd-doc.html

> printcap looks like this:
> 
> lp|HP Laserjet 5P:\
> :sh:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
> :lf=/var/log/lpd:\
> :lp=/dev/lpt0:\
> :if=/etc/lpfilter:

then you need this /etc/printcap
  lp|HP Laserjet 5P:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:af=/path/to/ppd/file:\
:if=/path/to/foomatic-rip:\
:sd=/path/to/spool/directory:\
:mx#0:sh:

then follow the directions in Section 11.3.1.4.3 "Making the Spooling
Directory", of the FreeBSD Handbook.


> Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

I realize this is kind of vague but I set up printing once about 6
months ago and have forgotten all the details. Hey, that is the beauty
of *BSD. I only have to configure something once and then it works for
a long time.

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vmware with WinXP as guest....

[Eric Schuele]

Hello,
I'm interested in vmware (or vmware comparable solutions)... and can't 
seem to find a suitable source of info.  I know its in the ports.  I've 
done a fair amount of googling... but everything seems to be regarding 
running it with an XP host and a FreeBSD guest.  I am looking for info 
on the reverse.

I am interested in issues regarding installation and configuration.  I 
have a need to run WindowsXP as the guest OS... and would like info on 
any 'gotchas'.  Will I need a license of any sort?  Anyone using this 
config?  etc...

I am running 5.4-STABLE i386.
I was hoping someone might be able to offer opinions/comments/pointers.
Thanks.
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Re: Unable to set up LPD to use a HP Laserjet 5p in freeBSD 5.3

[Matt Emmerton]

> Hello
> 
> I`m trying to install my HP laserjet 5p on freebsd 5.3.
> The printer doesn`t understand postscript.
> I`ve read the handbook and installed ghostscript and
> lpd. 
> I changed rc.conf to start lpd for each system boot. 
> 
> dmesg printer part looks like this:
> 
> ppbus0:  HP ENHANCED
> PCL5,PJL
> lpt0:  on ppbus0
> lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
> ppi0:  on ppbus
> 
> printcap looks like this: 
> 
> lp|HP Laserjet 5P:\
> :sh:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
> :lf=/var/log/lpd:\
> :lp=/dev/lpt0:\
> :if=/etc/lpfilter:
> 
> Whenever I try to print to the printer, I get an error
> status on the printer that the owners manual calls a
> "Data Error" (two lights on the panel). The 'Go' button
> must be pressed repeatedly to get the page to print;
> and it doesn't look complete. I've used several of the
> lpfilters from the ports collection, but none seems to
> work.
> 
> Has anyone set up this printer model to work in freeBSD
> 5.3 and can shed some light on what I have done wrong? 

You should look at the apsfilter port in /usr/ports/print/apsfilter.
It contains all the magic needed to get a LaserJet 5p to work properly.
It was the only filter that seemed to do the right thing for me.

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Re: On removing ^M

[Shantanoo Mahajan]

+++ Fafa Hafiz Krantz [freebsd] [08-05-05 14:20 -0500]:
| 
| Good day all!
| 
| I am aware of the port unix2dos (dos2unix) as a tool to
| remove ^Ms from ASCII files.
| 
| But if you execute dos2unix in a directory where some files
| contain ^M (CR/LF) and some files don't (CR), then dos2unix
| will make a mess of those files who don't.
| 
| I am wondering what is needed (what tool or what code) to
| do a mass (recursive) removal of ^Ms?
| 
| Thanks!

- Check out the archive. This question is asked many times before.
- Answer: 'col -bx < old.file > > new.file'

Regards,
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modem/ppp

[kalin mintchev]

hi all...

need a little help to set up a pcmci modem. i've never used a modem before..

this is a 3com card. and it gets recognized fine - as sio0. i have tun0.
i'm trying to use it with ppp. i read the handbook on ppp. what confuses
me is that the ppp.conf is setting a serial port device - cuaa1. i didn't
have that one but had cuaa0 so i switched to that and then trying to dial
the machine hung - had to reboot...

any help will be appreciated...  thanks...
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RE: Unable to set up LPD to use a HP Laserjet 5p in freeBSD 5.3

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

1) Copy a MSDOS text file to the system (one that contains ^M^L as each
line terminator)

2) cat file /dev/lpt0

If the file doesen't come out the printer, it's a problem with the
parallel post hardware, or the cabling.

Ted

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:44 PM
> To: freeBSD-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Unable to set up LPD to use a HP Laserjet 5p in freeBSD 5.3
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> I`m trying to install my HP laserjet 5p on freebsd 5.3.
> The printer doesn`t understand postscript.
> I`ve read the handbook and installed ghostscript and
> lpd. 
> I changed rc.conf to start lpd for each system boot. 
> 
> dmesg printer part looks like this:
> 
> ppbus0:  HP ENHANCED
> PCL5,PJL
> lpt0:  on ppbus0
> lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
> ppi0:  on ppbus
> 
> printcap looks like this: 
> 
> lp|HP Laserjet 5P:\
> :sh:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
> :lf=/var/log/lpd:\
> :lp=/dev/lpt0:\
> :if=/etc/lpfilter:
> 
> Whenever I try to print to the printer, I get an error
> status on the printer that the owners manual calls a
> "Data Error" (two lights on the panel). The 'Go' button
> must be pressed repeatedly to get the page to print;
> and it doesn't look complete. I've used several of the
> lpfilters from the ports collection, but none seems to
> work.
> 
> Has anyone set up this printer model to work in freeBSD
> 5.3 and can shed some light on what I have done wrong? 
> 
> Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Unable to set up LPD to use a HP Laserjet 5p in freeBSD 5.3

[modelt20]

Hello

I`m trying to install my HP laserjet 5p on freebsd 5.3.
The printer doesn`t understand postscript.
I`ve read the handbook and installed ghostscript and
lpd. 
I changed rc.conf to start lpd for each system boot. 

dmesg printer part looks like this:

ppbus0:  HP ENHANCED
PCL5,PJL
lpt0:  on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0:  on ppbus

printcap looks like this: 

lp|HP Laserjet 5P:\
:sh:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
:lf=/var/log/lpd:\
:lp=/dev/lpt0:\
:if=/etc/lpfilter:

Whenever I try to print to the printer, I get an error
status on the printer that the owners manual calls a
"Data Error" (two lights on the panel). The 'Go' button
must be pressed repeatedly to get the page to print;
and it doesn't look complete. I've used several of the
lpfilters from the ports collection, but none seems to
work.

Has anyone set up this printer model to work in freeBSD
5.3 and can shed some light on what I have done wrong? 

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: PF RULES! But mine doesn't ...

[Robert Marella]

Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
Perhaps you should check the archives. :)

What do you mean? There are many archives out there ...
Please tell me which one?
Thanks!
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  Enlightened @ http://www.home.no/barbershop/smart/sharon.pdf

Did you happen to notice the smile [ :) ] at the end of my post. That 
was my weak attempt at humor. Some actually found it humorous.

Perhaps you need to lighten up and work on your sense of humor. It would 
go a long way on this list and elsewhere in this world.

On that note, I think the entire world and especially the politicians 
need to lighten up and try to have some fun. If we can not laugh at 
ourselves then we have no right to laugh at all.

Robert
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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Chris]

Joshua Tinnin wrote:
> On Sun 8 May 05 02:00, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
>>Timothy Smith writes:
>>
>>>but you DO have to consent to the terms and conditions in to
>>>confirmation email that is sent to you ...
>>
>>There are no terms and conditions in the confirmation e-mail that
>>mention copyright, archives, or publication outside the mailing list.
> 
> 
> What damage have you caused to yourself by your own words that would in 
> any way involve responsibility by the list host? What, exactly, have 
> you lost monetarily by posting in your own words on this list? If you 
> have lost money by posting here, you need to be able to prove it. If 
> you haven't lost money, or you can't prove it, you do not have a leg to 
> stand on in court. And, finally, the copyright of postings to this list 
> are not owned by the people who wrote them, according to case law and 
> copyright law. Look it up. Seriously. 
> 
> Can this be over now?
> 
> - jt

He lost nothing money wise. He has exposed himself as a Troll tho.


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scripting sysinstall / how to get NIC name in config file

[User vr]

hi,
i'm trying to customize a CD for remote office
installations and one of the problems I need to figure
out is how to get the name for the first network
interface to stick it in install.cfg. In linux it will
always be eth0. In my case 
I am dealing with either xl, fxp, rl or ed interfaces,
but I don't know what hardware will be used before
hand. Is there a way to reference the first ethernet
interface in sysinstall config file without knowing
what its exact name will be?

thanks in advance,
slava.




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Fwd: Booting from DOS?

[Ron Hudson]

FreeBSD-Current said to ask you people.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Ron Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: May 8, 2005 12:52:04 PM PDT
To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: Booting from DOS?
I have just installed 5.3
I have a 100mb dos partition, 70mb swap  and the rest of the 2gb hard 
drive as one bsd slice

The BSD slice is all one filesystem "/"
When my system boots it gives:
F1 . . . DOS
F2 . . . FreeBSD
Default F?
When I press F1 I get DOS
When I press F2 the boot prompt repeats.
I have tried to BOOTINST again. The same thing remains.
What's wrong?
Is there a way to boot BSD from DOS?
Thanks for your help.
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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Joshua Tinnin]

On Sun 8 May 05 02:00, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Timothy Smith writes:
> > but you DO have to consent to the terms and conditions in to
> > confirmation email that is sent to you ...
>
> There are no terms and conditions in the confirmation e-mail that
> mention copyright, archives, or publication outside the mailing list.

What damage have you caused to yourself by your own words that would in 
any way involve responsibility by the list host? What, exactly, have 
you lost monetarily by posting in your own words on this list? If you 
have lost money by posting here, you need to be able to prove it. If 
you haven't lost money, or you can't prove it, you do not have a leg to 
stand on in court. And, finally, the copyright of postings to this list 
are not owned by the people who wrote them, according to case law and 
copyright law. Look it up. Seriously. 

Can this be over now?

- jt
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RE: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

No Juha, only that ONE message was forged from me.  Please carefully read
the posts that you are responding to.

Ted
  -Original Message-
  From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:33 PM
  To: Ted Mittelstaedt
  Cc: Laurent Debacker; Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!





  On 5/9/05, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Laurent, let me spell it out - that last message was from me, Ted, not
from Fafa.  I forged Fafa's name on it to show how easy it is to
forge mail and how it is not legally viable or possible for the real
Fafa to prove that the messages in the archive are really from him,
thus he would have no grounds for suing anyone.

I am sorry that you got hoodwinked, but I cannot think of a better
illustration
of the point I was trying to make - that even when the message itself
says
it's a forgery, that people still get taken!!!


  OMG, so it's Ted that's been spamming the list to pieces as Fafa!

  Well, that was pretty clever, but could it stop now?

  --

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Juha Saarinen]

On 5/9/05, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Laurent, let me spell it out - that last message was from me, Ted, not
> from Fafa. I forged Fafa's name on it to show how easy it is to
> forge mail and how it is not legally viable or possible for the real
> Fafa to prove that the messages in the archive are really from him,
> thus he would have no grounds for suing anyone.
> 
> I am sorry that you got hoodwinked, but I cannot think of a better
> illustration
> of the point I was trying to make - that even when the message itself
> says
> it's a forgery, that people still get taken!!!
> 

OMG, so it's Ted that's been spamming the list to pieces as Fafa!

Well, that was pretty clever, but could it stop now?

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Re: Release 4.11 - compile errors

[Graham North]

Kris:
Thank you, you are correct  - I found a previous post for a similar 
question.
For those interested it was the umass device:

From *Matt Emmerton *Feb. 2005 -
You've got "device umass" in your kernel, but you've commented out the
SCSI-related devices which are required.
You need to uncomment "device scbus" and "device da" in order to use "device
umass".
It worked for me too!
Thanks Matt and Kris.
Graham/
Kris Kennaway wrote:
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 02:33:33PM -0700, Graham North wrote:
 

I just installed 4.11 on older IBM - not problems
CVSUP'd and rebuilt kernel - no errors
Installed  kernel and installed world - still okay.
Tried trimming kernel and making with CUSTOM Config file.
make buildkernel KERNCONF=CUSTOM
It barfs after 5 mins with:
undefined reference to 'cam_sim_free'
undefined reference to 'xpt_create_path'
undefined reference to xpt_done'
Can anyone give me an idea of what it is choking on.   I did not try to 
be overly agressive in my config changes.
Selected a cpu, removed a bunch of drivers - particularily scsi, 
firewire and wifi.
   

You removed SCSI support but left in a driver that requires it.  Go
back to GENERIC or carefully review your changes.
Kris
 


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Re: FreeBSD on AMD 64 Boot Lock Up - ACPI Related

[Roland Smith]

On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 11:08:49PM +0200, Joseph Borg wrote:
> Hi,
> Yes that seems to have solved the problem. Incidentally, would you know what
> the disadvantage of having acpi disabled like that is?

First of all, please to not top-post. It disturbs the normal flow of
reading.

But to answer your question, if your PC's devices are all correctly
working with FreeBSD drivers and if you don't use power management I see
no great need for ACPI. Laptops might need the power management
component of ACPI. Some motherboards use ACPI to let you read out things
like temperatures and fan speeds. But those can mostly also be
discovered by other programs.

Roland

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Re: Release 4.11 - compile errors

[Kris Kennaway]

On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 02:33:33PM -0700, Graham North wrote:
> I just installed 4.11 on older IBM - not problems
> CVSUP'd and rebuilt kernel - no errors
> Installed  kernel and installed world - still okay.
> 
> 
> Tried trimming kernel and making with CUSTOM Config file.
> make buildkernel KERNCONF=CUSTOM
> 
> It barfs after 5 mins with:
> 
> undefined reference to 'cam_sim_free'
> undefined reference to 'xpt_create_path'
> undefined reference to xpt_done'
> 
> Can anyone give me an idea of what it is choking on.   I did not try to 
> be overly agressive in my config changes.
> Selected a cpu, removed a bunch of drivers - particularily scsi, 
> firewire and wifi.

You removed SCSI support but left in a driver that requires it.  Go
back to GENERIC or carefully review your changes.

Kris


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RE: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:58 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
>
> > No, Chris, we don't want to do that. If you put any kind of message
> > like that on the website you are then implying that the users have
> > copyrights in the first place on postings that they put on
> the mailing
> > list.
>
> It's better than being successfully sued or prosecuted for
> infringement.
>

The only list managers successfuly sued over this are the ones in your
dreams.

> There can be little doubt that posts are indeed protected by copyright,
> as they fall within the scope of materials that are so protected.

You are only claiming that they do.  US law does not specify that they
are nor does the Berne convention.

Maybe in another 50 years or so the next time the international copyright
convention meets and ratifies this then you might become correct - once
of course, that all the countries in the world sign off on the treaty
modifications.
But until then, you are just postulating.

The idea that a country would approve copyright rights that are far over
and
above Berne is preposterous - if they did so they would face retaliation
from
the rest of the world.  That is why Berne exists in the first place.

 The
> only question is the degree to which this copyright can be successfully
> enforced.  However, successful enforcement of a law isn't necessary to
> make the law valid, especially in torts.
>
> > Since what law there is supports the opposite assumption - that the
> > poster has no copyright on the post made in this forum - you are far
> > better legally by NOT putting such a disclaimer.
>
> Which law supports that?
>

I already posted.  Fair Use.  And, from Berne:

"...The protection of this Convention shall not apply to news of the day
or to miscellaneous facts..."

> > It is kind of like if you walk into a restaurant and pick up a fork
> > and stab yourself, then sue the restaurant claiming that they are
> > negligent in not warning you that their forks are sharp. Today you
> > don't see warning labels on forks because the law presumes
> that a fork
> > is supposed to be sharp, and it presumes that anyone of legal age to
> > enter a restaurant would know this.
>
> What is the minimum legal age to enter a restaurant?
>
> > If restaurants all started slapping warning labels on their
> forks then
> > they would create a presumption that a normal fork is dull, and that
> > the sharp kind is unexpected.
>
> Yes, but then they couldn't be sued successfully any more.
>

Sure they could, because someone would sue them claiming that their dull
fork slipped and as a result they suffered injury, and they should have
put
a warning label on the fork.

You, Anthony, apparently want to live in a world were you pick up a fork
and it either says:

"Warning: this fork is sharp and the user could suffer injury from it if
they stab themselves"

or

"Warning: this fork is dull and the user could suffer injury from it if
they slip while attempting to spear a piece of food and stab themselves"

And of course you want the warning in 15 different languages.

Thankfully, most people don't wish to live in this kind of world.

Ted

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Re: On removing ^M

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-05-08 14:20, Fafa Hafiz Krantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Good day all!
>
> I am aware of the port unix2dos (dos2unix) as a tool to
> remove ^Ms from ASCII files.
>
> But if you execute dos2unix in a directory where some files
> contain ^M (CR/LF) and some files don't (CR), then dos2unix
> will make a mess of those files who don't.
>
> I am wondering what is needed (what tool or what code) to
> do a mass (recursive) removal of ^Ms?

No "tool" is needed, as long as you have FreebSD's shell, sed & grep:

$ find . | while read fname ;do
if grep '^M' "${fname}" >/dev/null 2>&1 ;then
sed -i '' -e 's/^M//g' "${fname}"
fi
  done

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Release 4.11 - compile errors

[Graham North]

I just installed 4.11 on older IBM - not problems
CVSUP'd and rebuilt kernel - no errors
Installed  kernel and installed world - still okay.
Tried trimming kernel and making with CUSTOM Config file.
make buildkernel KERNCONF=CUSTOM
It barfs after 5 mins with:
undefined reference to 'cam_sim_free'
undefined reference to 'xpt_create_path'
undefined reference to xpt_done'
Can anyone give me an idea of what it is choking on.   I did not try to 
be overly agressive in my config changes.
Selected a cpu, removed a bunch of drivers - particularily scsi, 
firewire and wifi.

Suggestions appreciated.
Thanks,  Graham/
Vamcouver, Canada

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RE: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

Laurent, let me spell it out - that last message was from me, Ted, not
from Fafa.  I forged Fafa's name on it to show how easy it is to
forge mail and how it is not legally viable or possible for the real
Fafa to prove that the messages in the archive are really from him,
thus he would have no grounds for suing anyone.

I am sorry that you got hoodwinked, but I cannot think of a better
illustration
of the point I was trying to make - that even when the message itself
says
it's a forgery, that people still get taken!!!

Ted

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laurent
> Debacker
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:26 AM
> To: Fafa Hafiz Krantz
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!
>
>
> You're really funny. At any web page related to lists of FreeBSD
> (http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions) you can
> read " To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
> freebsd-questions Archives.".
>
> I also suppose you knew the existance of web bots that search engines
> use to index any web page it finds. Of course since the archives are
> web pages, the archives are indexed by every search engines.
>
> Also I wonder what you mean by "privacy". Indeed you sent messages to
> a public list where anybody can subscribe to and read messages. Also
> don't come here in Europe. Any communication can be listened by the
> USA using their echelon network.
>
> On 5/7/05, Fafa Hafiz Krantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Chris, I'm surprised at you!  Why did you pass up the opportunity to
> > forge
> > Fafa's name as the sender, to illustrate the point to the
> > clueless better. ;-)
> >
> > Oh dear, I guess I'm gonna get sued for identity theft!! ;-)
> >
> > Ted, forging Fafa.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:05 PM
> > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> > > Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>-Original Message-
> > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Fafa Hafiz
> > > >>Krantz
> > > >>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:40 AM
> > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>Subject: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Hello.
> > > >>
> > > >>I have a big problem. My privacy has been violated.
> > > >>
> > > >>I had no idea when I first started writing posts to the FreeBSD
> > > >>mailinglist that it would be archived, let alone indexed
> by Google
> > > >>so that the world can spy on my words.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks like you aren't acquainted with the legal doctrine of
> > > > Fair Use.  Guess you will have to start using some other name
> > > > online, since there's no way to prove that any of these alleged
> > > > posts your claiming are violated, were in fact, actually made
> > > > by the real Fafa Hafiz Krantz.
> > > >
> > > > Ted
> > >
> > > Awe Ted ... Yer a spoil-sport *laffs*
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Real programmers know what saad means.
> > >
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Re: /etc/resolv.conf and your ISP

[Robert Huff]

Glenn Dawson writes:

>  >My question is:  how to reliably keep your own nameserver in
>  >/etc/resolv.conf, and get around the frequent protocol updates that
>  >change/nullify your mods to /etc/resolv.conf.
>  
>  According to dhclient.conf(5):
>  
>  interface "foo" {
>   ...
>   supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
>   ...
>  }
>  
>  would do the trick in your case.

See also the "prepend" option.
(I use "supersede" to keep my own domain, and "Prepend" to make
sure my DNS server is first on the list.)




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RE: FreeBSD on AMD 64 Boot Lock Up - ACPI Related

[Joseph Borg]

Hi,
Yes that seems to have solved the problem. Incidentally, would you know what
the disadvantage of having acpi disabled like that is?

Thanks,

Joe

-Original Message-
From: Roland Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 May 2005 21:20
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeBSD on AMD 64 Boot Lock Up - ACPI Related

On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 08:32:43PM +0200, Joseph Borg wrote:
> Should I disable ACPI completely? If so, how should I go about doing this
> and how will it affect my system?

Disabling ACPI seems to solve problems for a lot of people who use
FreeBSD/amd64. 

Add hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" to boot/device.hints to see if it works in
your case.

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Re: On removing ^M

[regisr]

On Sun, 08 May 2005 12:53:06 -0700

> > tr -d "\r" < input-file > output-file
> Or:
> perl -pi -e 's/\015//' *.c
> which will edit all .c files in place, or:
> perl -pi.bak -e's/\015//' *.c

(I forget to add a for or foreach line!)

If there is a large number of files (i.e. if the command is too
long - error: "Argument list too long")

try something like:

find -X . -type f -print | xargs -L 1  perl -pi.bak -e's/\015//'

Don't forget to do a backup copy of your original files!
If filenames should be protected (enclosed in "" or '' ) the -X find
option complains and skip them.


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Re: PF RULES! But mine doesn't ...

[Robert Marella]

Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
Hello.
My ruleset is all twisted.
Unless I disable the default deny policy, this is what happens:
*  My nameserver setup goes disfunctional.
*  My web, mail and fileserver goes disfunctional.
*  I cannot SSH and FTP into certain servers.
*  I cannot ping my IP from the outside.
Can anyone tell what's wrong?
And maybe also how I can simplify my ruleset?
int_if="ep0"
ext_if="lnc0"
# *** Options
#
set block-policy drop
# *** Scrub incoming packets
#
scrub   in all
# *** NAT
#
nat on $ext_if from $int_if:network to any -> ($ext_if)
rdr on $int_if proto tcp from any to any \
port 21 -> 127.0.0.1 port 8021
# *** Default deny policy
#
# block drop log all
# *** Pass loopback traffic
#
passquick on { lo0 $int_if }
# *** Outgoing
#
passout on $ext_if inet proto { tcp, udp, icmp } \
from ($ext_if) to any keep state
# *** Bootstrap
#
passout on $ext_if inet proto udp \
from any port 68 to any port 67 keep state
# *** DNS and NTP
#
passout on $ext_if inet proto udp \
from ($ext_if) to any port { 53, 123 } keep state
# *** SSH, HTTP and Ident
#
passin on $ext_if inet proto tcp \
from any to ($ext_if) port { 22, 80, 113 } flags S/SA keep state
# *** Active FTP
#
passin on $ext_if inet proto tcp \
from port 20 to ($ext_if) user proxy flags S/SA keep state
Thank you so much.
Keep in touch!
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Perhaps you should check the archives. :)
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Re: /etc/resolv.conf and your ISP

[Glenn Dawson]

At 12:49 PM 5/8/2005, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
I can think of a few ways to resolve this, but I thought to ask here.
I have Comcast for my ISP, and of course DHCP changes /etc/resolv.conf
during each update -- lately, they've been screwing things up bigtime,
such that I simply use my own "named" instance.
My question is:  how to reliably keep your own nameserver in
/etc/resolv.conf, and get around the frequent protocol updates that
change/nullify your mods to /etc/resolv.conf.
Perhaps just a regular script that does a diff and patch of it, or
simply copies over the file you want regularly.  Not elegant but it
would work.
According to dhclient.conf(5):
supersede [ option declaration ] ;
   If for some option the client should always  use  a  locally-configured
   value  or  values rather than whatever is supplied by the server, these
   values can be defined in the supersede statement.
I've never had to use this myself, but I would expect that something like:
interface "foo" {
...
supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
...
}
would do the trick in your case.
-Glenn

I also wonder about creating a dhclient-exit script that would update
certain services automatically when your IP changes.
Thx.
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Re: PF RULES! But mine doesn't ...

[Jan Grant]

On Sun, 8 May 2005, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> My ruleset is all twisted.
> Unless I disable the default deny policy, this is what happens:
> 
> *  My nameserver setup goes disfunctional.
> *  My web, mail and fileserver goes disfunctional.
> *  I cannot SSH and FTP into certain servers.
> *  I cannot ping my IP from the outside.
> 
> Can anyone tell what's wrong?
> And maybe also how I can simplify my ruleset?

It's a question of letting DNS traffic _in_ to your nameserver:

> int_if="ep0"
> ext_if="lnc0"
> 
> # *** Options
> #
> set block-policy drop
> 
> # *** Scrub incoming packets
> #
> scrub   in all
> 
> # *** NAT
> #
> nat on $ext_if from $int_if:network to any -> ($ext_if)
> rdr on $int_if proto tcp from any to any \
> port 21 -> 127.0.0.1 port 8021
> 
> # *** Default deny policy
> #
> # block drop log all
> 
> # *** Pass loopback traffic
> #
> passquick on { lo0 $int_if }
> 
> # *** Outgoing
> #
> passout on $ext_if inet proto { tcp, udp, icmp } \
> from ($ext_if) to any keep state
> 
> # *** Bootstrap
> #
> passout on $ext_if inet proto udp \
> from any port 68 to any port 67 keep state
> 
> # *** DNS and NTP
> #
> passout on $ext_if inet proto udp \
> from ($ext_if) to any port { 53, 123 } keep state
> 
> # *** SSH, HTTP and Ident
> #
> passin on $ext_if inet proto tcp \
> from any to ($ext_if) port { 22, 80, 113 } flags S/SA keep state

pass in on $ext_if inet proto { tcp, udp } \
from any to ($ext_if) port 53

^^^ that lets the traffic in

pass out on $ext_if inet proto { tcp, udp } \
from ($ext_if) port 53 to any

^^^ and that lets it back out.

If you add the "query-source address * port 53;" to your named.conf 
"options" section, that'll suffice; additionally, since your DNS query 
source port is then predictable, you can drop it from the DNS and NTP 
rule.

> # *** Active FTP
> #
> passin on $ext_if inet proto tcp \
> from port 20 to ($ext_if) user proxy flags S/SA keep state

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Re: [freebsd] On removing ^M

[Matt Navarre]

regisr wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:20:19 -0500
"Fafa Hafiz Krantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am wondering what is needed (what tool or what code) to
do a mass (recursive) removal of ^Ms?

try:
tr -d "\r" < input-file > output-file

Or:
perl -pi -e 's/\015//' *.c
which will edit all .c files in place, or:
perl -pi.bak -e's/\015//' *.c
Which will also edit the files in place but leave the originial files 
with a .bak extension. Just a little easier to do on a whole directory 
of files than using tr.

OK,
Matt
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Re: /etc/resolv.conf and your ISP

[Forrest Aldrich]

Also of note... if you change the bits on the file to nochg, so it can't
be updated, Comcast will detect this and disable your connection (it
happened to me).


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/etc/resolv.conf and your ISP

[Forrest Aldrich]

I can think of a few ways to resolve this, but I thought to ask here.

I have Comcast for my ISP, and of course DHCP changes /etc/resolv.conf
during each update -- lately, they've been screwing things up bigtime,
such that I simply use my own "named" instance.

My question is:  how to reliably keep your own nameserver in
/etc/resolv.conf, and get around the frequent protocol updates that
change/nullify your mods to /etc/resolv.conf.

Perhaps just a regular script that does a diff and patch of it, or
simply copies over the file you want regularly.  Not elegant but it
would work.

I also wonder about creating a dhclient-exit script that would update
certain services automatically when your IP changes.


Thx.

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Re:[freebsd] On removing ^M

[regisr]

On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:20:19 -0500
"Fafa Hafiz Krantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am wondering what is needed (what tool or what code) to
> do a mass (recursive) removal of ^Ms?

try:
tr -d "\r" < input-file > output-file


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Re: On removing ^M

[Chris Knipe]

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- Original Message - 
From: "Fafa Hafiz Krantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: On removing ^M


Good day all!
I am aware of the port unix2dos (dos2unix) as a tool to
remove ^Ms from ASCII files.
But if you execute dos2unix in a directory where some files
contain ^M (CR/LF) and some files don't (CR), then dos2unix
will make a mess of those files who don't.
I am wondering what is needed (what tool or what code) to
do a mass (recursive) removal of ^Ms?
Thanks!
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Re: WinTV and bktr

[Drew Tomlinson]

On 5/7/2005 7:58 PM William Bloom wrote:
I've installed a WinTV PVR 150MCE card in my Dell 4550, which has been running 
FreeBSD 5.3 for many months, and would like to try it with fxtv or gnomemeeting. 
Since I'm using a custom kernel which was built without bktr support, I've added 
the following to loader.conf (from a read of the bktr man page)...

  bktr_load="YES"
  iccbus_load="YES"
  iccbb="YES"
I already have smbus support in the kernel.
After I boot, kldstat shows all these modules are indeed loaded.  But dmesg 
reports that no driver attached the WinTV.

The following is reported by pciconf -lv...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:0: class=0x04 card=0x88010070 chip=0x0016 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Conexant Inc (Was: Globespan, ICompression Inc)'
device   = 'iTVC16/CX23416 MPEG Codec'
class= multimedia
subclass = video

Conexant now owns brooktree technology, right?  What have I got wrong?  Could it 
be that this WinTV card really doesn't use a brooktree chip that is one of those 
supported by bktr?  If so and therefore this WinTV card isn't supported by bktr, 
can anyone suggest which WinTV card -would- work?

Bill
 

As far as I know, the new MCE cards are not supported yet.  This is why 
I bought a PVR-250 card.  I think the older cards are supported as well.

HTH,
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On removing ^M

[Fafa Hafiz Krantz]

Good day all!

I am aware of the port unix2dos (dos2unix) as a tool to
remove ^Ms from ASCII files.

But if you execute dos2unix in a directory where some files
contain ^M (CR/LF) and some files don't (CR), then dos2unix
will make a mess of those files who don't.

I am wondering what is needed (what tool or what code) to
do a mass (recursive) removal of ^Ms?

Thanks!

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Re: FreeBSD on AMD 64 Boot Lock Up - ACPI Related

[Roland Smith]

On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 08:32:43PM +0200, Joseph Borg wrote:
> Should I disable ACPI completely? If so, how should I go about doing this
> and how will it affect my system?

Disabling ACPI seems to solve problems for a lot of people who use
FreeBSD/amd64. 

Add hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" to boot/device.hints to see if it works in
your case.

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FreeBSD on AMD 64 Boot Lock Up - ACPI Related

[Joseph Borg]

Hi,
I'm a newbie to freebsd. I've just installed the AMD64 version (5.4 RC 3) on
my system (Asus A8V Deluxe Motherboard). The install off the CD's went fine,
and I was really happy that Freebsd supports the Promise SATA RAID
controller (currently have to Sata Disks in RAID 1 Mirror configuration). 

However, I'm not facing a problem when the system boots. Occasionally, the
system locks up just after the following message:

May  8 19:34:49 cronus kernel: Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1802318528 Hz
quality 800
May  8 19:34:49 cronus kernel: Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec

This doesn't always happen; it typically happens once every 3 reboots.
Initially I thought it was CD-ROM related since usually the following line
loads after the 'Timecounter' ones:

May  8 19:34:49 cronus kernel: acd0: DVDR  at
ata0-master PIO4

When this happens, the system freezes completely; only a hard reset will
'solve' the problem. In trying to search the archives, I've come across some
other people with the same problem and the issue seems to be ACPI related.
In fact, when I boot Freebsd without ACPI support, this never seems to
happen (although it could be coincidence). I've also added the following
line to /boot/loader.conf:

debug.acpi.disabled="CPU"

This seems to have reduced the problem but not eliminated it completely.
I've also tried using FreeBSD 5.3 (i.e. stable), but this seems to have the
same problem.

Any ideas on what the problem could be? If so how should I go about solving
it?

Should I disable ACPI completely? If so, how should I go about doing this
and how will it affect my system?

Thanks,

Joe

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Laurent Debacker]

You're really funny. At any web page related to lists of FreeBSD
(http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions) you can
read " To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
freebsd-questions Archives.".

I also suppose you knew the existance of web bots that search engines
use to index any web page it finds. Of course since the archives are
web pages, the archives are indexed by every search engines.

Also I wonder what you mean by "privacy". Indeed you sent messages to
a public list where anybody can subscribe to and read messages. Also
don't come here in Europe. Any communication can be listened by the
USA using their echelon network.

On 5/7/05, Fafa Hafiz Krantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Chris, I'm surprised at you!  Why did you pass up the opportunity to
> forge
> Fafa's name as the sender, to illustrate the point to the
> clueless better. ;-)
> 
> Oh dear, I guess I'm gonna get sued for identity theft!! ;-)
> 
> Ted, forging Fafa.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:05 PM
> > To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> > Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!
> >
> >
> > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > >
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fafa Hafiz
> > >>Krantz
> > >>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:40 AM
> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Subject: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Hello.
> > >>
> > >>I have a big problem. My privacy has been violated.
> > >>
> > >>I had no idea when I first started writing posts to the FreeBSD
> > >>mailinglist that it would be archived, let alone indexed by Google
> > >>so that the world can spy on my words.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks like you aren't acquainted with the legal doctrine of
> > > Fair Use.  Guess you will have to start using some other name
> > > online, since there's no way to prove that any of these alleged
> > > posts your claiming are violated, were in fact, actually made
> > > by the real Fafa Hafiz Krantz.
> > >
> > > Ted
> >
> > Awe Ted ... Yer a spoil-sport *laffs*
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Chris
> >
> > Real programmers know what saad means.
> >
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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[dick hoogendijk]

On Sat, 07 May 2005 16:05:17 -0500
Chris (and lots of others) wrote:

A comment in some way or another on this topic "MY NAME ALL OVER
GOOGLE!"

At the very beginning I asked Anthony to stop, bacause all this has been
written before.
He didn't (was to be expected).

I would urge ALL of you who keep this thread going to STOP. You are all
guilty on poluting this list. It has nothing to do with items this list
is for. It also is NOT important to react because otherwise wrong
information would end up in the archives. No sir! It's not. (hey Ted ?
;-)

It has all been said before!

So why do it all over again?
There is really NO need for it other than some degree of selfimportance
(?)

So please, please, stop this list pollution.

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no /boot/loader error 16

[Ben Haysom]

hi

I have an AMD Duron 700Mhz running FreeBSD 5.3.

When I turn it on I get

error 16 lba 287
error 16 lba 287
No /boot/loader

I've found:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-March/081879.html

but the instructions don't do  anything.

Help?
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Shooting Stars Stock Reports

[Mariam]

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expression, and its exposure. Agent155.com is a street-level creative arena, 
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Agent155 Media Group, Inc. has emerged as a multimedia company for Performers, 
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distribution opportunity. Agent155.com attracts talent that is yet to be discovered, 
with the potential of one superstar delivering millions of dollars in revenues to 
the label. The possibilities are endless when you consider the worldwide pool of 
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community; Agent155.com is leading it."
Within 3 months AGMG is launching a music service for Musicians and consumers 
worldwide. Musicians will be able to upload, license and sell their songs per 
download for the iPod and all mobile devices and keep 100% of the revenue. 
Agent 155 Media Group will generate revenue from a membership upgrade which 
will be $15.50 per month totaling $31.00 per month for members utilizing 
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sell their work and video will also be monetized for mobile devices.
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(Agent155.com) and related services are produced for worldwide  distribution. 
The company offers an affordable, high-quality online presence for the global 
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Agent155.com offers models, performers, artists,athletes, musicians, filmmakers 
and agencies a multi-media content management solution, enabling the creative 
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The advantage that Agent155 has over its competition is that it has no 
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Within 3 months AGMG is launching a music service for Musicians and consumers 
worldwide. Musicians will be able to upload, license and sell their songs per 
download for the iPod and all mobile devices and keep 100% of the revenue. 
Agent 155 Media Group will generate revenue from a membership upgrade which 
will be $15.50 per month totaling $31.00 per month for members utilizing 
service. Another revenue stream that will be exercised is to enable artists to 
sell their work and video 

kde on freebsd 5.3 compile problem

[vizion]

Hi
Coming towards the end of the compile I reach a stop:


Here is the output:
{...
--
==> kde-3.4.0 depends on file: /usr/X11R6/bin/moc - found

==> kde-3.4.0 depends on shared library: kfontinst -not found

==> Verifying install for kfontlist in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase3

==> Installing for kdebase-3.4.0_1

==> kdebase-3.4.0_1 depends on executable: kompmgr - not found

==> Verifying install for kompmgr in /usr/ports/x11-wm/kompmgr

==> Building for kdebase-kompmgr-3.4.0

cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/kompmgr/work/kdebase-3.4.0/kwin/kompmgr && gmake

if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/local/include
-I/usr/X11R6/include

-I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -pthread -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT
-I/usr/local/include

-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -D_GETOPT_H -D_THREAD_SAFE
-DNDEBUG -02 -0 -pipe -MT

kompmgr.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/kompmgr.Tpo" -c -o kompmgr.o kompmgr.c;\

then mv -f ".deps/kompmgr.Tpo" ".deps/kompmgr.Po"; else rm -f
".deps/kompmgr.Tpo"; exit 1; fi

*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-wm/kompmgr.

*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase3.

--
..}

Any advice gratefully received
Thanks
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Re: PF aliases -- how can these be improved?

[Odhiambo Washington]

* Fafa Hafiz Krantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20050508 15:32]: wrote:
> 
> Hey!
> 
> Here are some aliases I snagged of some dood on IRC:
> 
> How can these PF aliases be improved?
> The last one doesn't really reload PF. I need to reboot for that.
> 
>alias pfdump 'tcpdump -n -e -ttt -r /var/log/pflog'
>alias pfmon 'tcpdump -n -e -ttt -i pflog0'
>alias pfreload 'pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf'

man pfdump
man tcpdump
man pfctl

http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/
http://freebsd.vinf.ru/doc/en/books/handbook/firewalls-pf.html

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Chris]

Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Joshua Tinnin writes:
> 
> 
>>You live life your way. Let others do the same.
> 
> 
> They can do whatever they want, as long as they don't infringe upon my
> own rights.
> 
> 
>>I do not live my life in fear, but nor do I live it in an uninformed manner.
> 
> 
> Fear has nothing to do with it.  It's a question of conscience, ethics,
> and the Golden Rule.

Who are YOU to impose YOUR perception of:

"conscience, ethics, and the Golden Rule."

Whos to say your perception of it is in violation of someone elses,
where that someone else lives in some other part of the world?

Are you now saying that only you are capable of setting the compus on
how every human ought to live, think, believe, and conduct themselves?

See - that's the awesome thing about a public forum - one is free to
voice his/her own points of view. No matter how they may differ from
yours. And, with that being said - how can there be any infringement?

The only infringement I see - is that someone's "conscience, ethics, and
the Golden Rule" may differ from yours.

And in that case - it's just a point of view. No crime, no foul.




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Re: Spontaneous reboots

[Ed Stover]

Mac Mason wrote:
> Have you considered hardware issues? Random reboots might be caused by cooling
> issues, or other such things.
> 
> --Mac
> 
I have had a number FreeBSD servers do this when HD gets hot. Kinda
strange when you see it even in the 4.x branch.
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Re: fatal trap 12

[Dan Langille]

On 4 May 2005 at 9:35, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

> "Dan Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hi folks.  My gateway has been getting this a few times a day for the 
> > past few days.
> > 
> >   Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
> > 
> > More detail at http://www.langille.org/tmp/fatal-trap-12.txt
> > 
> > Conversations to date indicate a hardware problem.  Any 
> > recommendations/suggestions?
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#TRAP-12-PANIC

Well is this interesting... Another fatal trap 12.  On new 
hardware.  The HDD is the only item left over from the old box.

I think I'll cvsup and build world to get up to the latest stable 
from FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE (BAST) #5: Sun Mar 13 06:49:51 EST 2005


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Is this a high interrupt rate for nics?

[M. Parsons]

Freebsd-5.3 SMP Kernel. Polling enabled.
bash-2.05b$ vmstat -i
interrupt  total   rate
irq1: atkbd0  20  0
irq5: ep02937064  1
irq6: fdc010  0
irq8: rtc  231396610128
irq14: ata0  1218635  0
irq15: ata1   173656  0
irq11: ed0 298318862165
irq10: de0 276544892152
irq0: clk 1807792593   1000
Total 2618382342   1448
Are those normal for ed0 and de0?  Compared to the ep0 nic of rate of 1 
(although the ep0 nic is not used as much as the other two nics obviously).

Thanks.
Mark
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PF aliases -- how can these be improved?

[Fafa Hafiz Krantz]

Hey!

Here are some aliases I snagged of some dood on IRC:

How can these PF aliases be improved?
The last one doesn't really reload PF. I need to reboot for that.

   alias pfdump 'tcpdump -n -e -ttt -r /var/log/pflog'
   alias pfmon 'tcpdump -n -e -ttt -i pflog0'
   alias pfreload 'pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf'

Thanks!

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Including xhtml11.cat in SGML_CATALOG_FILES confuses OpenJade

[Idar Tollefsen]

I asked this question over a week ago, but got no answer. I'll give it 
one more shot. If someone knowns of a better forum for this, please let 
me know.

/usr/local/share/sgml/catalog -> /usr/local/share/sgml/catalog.ports).
There's something about xhtml11.cat that makes some of the installed 
SGML tools very unhappy. For instance, when trying to use OpenJade on a 
DocBook 4.2 (SGML) document, I get the following:

openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/openjade/style-sheet.dtd:11:2:E: unknown 
declarat
ion type "element"
openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/openjade/style-sheet.dtd:13:2:E: unknown 
declarat
ion type "element"
openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/openjade/style-sheet.dtd:14:2:E: unknown 
declarat
ion type "attlist"
openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/openjade/style-sheet.dtd:18:2:E: unknown 
declarat
ion type "element"

openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/docbook.dsl:49:0:E: 
D
TD did not contain element declaration for document type name
openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/../common/dbl10n.ent:
318:0:E: notation "DSSSL" for entity "dbl1tr" undefined
openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/../common/dbl10n.ent:
102:0:E: notation "DSSSL" for entity "dbl1el" undefined
openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/../common/dbl10n.ent:
111:0:E: notation "DSSSL" for entity "dbl1en" undefined

openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/docbook.dsl:157:59:E:
 element "external-specification" undefined
openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/docbook.dsl:158:55:E:
 element "external-specification" undefined
openjade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/docbook.dsl:160:49:E:
 element "external-specification" undefined

If I comment out or remove xhtml11.cat from catalog.ports, OpenJade 
works just fine without a single error.

I'm not intimately familiar with DTDs or stylesheets, so any help would 
be greatly appreciated.

- IT
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PF RULES! But mine doesn't ...

[Fafa Hafiz Krantz]

Hello.

My ruleset is all twisted.
Unless I disable the default deny policy, this is what happens:

*  My nameserver setup goes disfunctional.
*  My web, mail and fileserver goes disfunctional.
*  I cannot SSH and FTP into certain servers.
*  I cannot ping my IP from the outside.

Can anyone tell what's wrong?
And maybe also how I can simplify my ruleset?

int_if="ep0"
ext_if="lnc0"

# *** Options
#
set block-policy drop

# *** Scrub incoming packets
#
scrub   in all

# *** NAT
#
nat on $ext_if from $int_if:network to any -> ($ext_if)
rdr on $int_if proto tcp from any to any \
port 21 -> 127.0.0.1 port 8021

# *** Default deny policy
#
# block drop log all

# *** Pass loopback traffic
#
passquick on { lo0 $int_if }

# *** Outgoing
#
passout on $ext_if inet proto { tcp, udp, icmp } \
from ($ext_if) to any keep state

# *** Bootstrap
#
passout on $ext_if inet proto udp \
from any port 68 to any port 67 keep state

# *** DNS and NTP
#
passout on $ext_if inet proto udp \
from ($ext_if) to any port { 53, 123 } keep state

# *** SSH, HTTP and Ident
#
passin on $ext_if inet proto tcp \
from any to ($ext_if) port { 22, 80, 113 } flags S/SA keep state

# *** Active FTP
#
passin on $ext_if inet proto tcp \
from port 20 to ($ext_if) user proxy flags S/SA keep state

Thank you so much.
Keep in touch!

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Erik Nørgaard]

I see Vogons coming on the sub-Etha:
People of this thread, your attention please: This thread has been 
scheduled for demolition!

The fact that most public list are public not only by name and hence are 
open for not only you, but also your boss and your enemies, and further 
that many mailing lists, private and public, are archived for a posibly 
very long time, has been on display (RFC1855/FYI28) at www.ietf.org and 
other mirror site rfc-index.org, for almost 10 of your planetary orbits.

There's no point in acting all surprised about it. If you can't be 
bothered to take interest into your local network affairs it's your own 
lookout.

Energize thread demolition beams!
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Re: Want a logo competition? Do it properly.

[Fafa Hafiz Krantz]

> I really must say that Fafa is a useless troll.

Is the point of your rudeness towards me, whatever person I am,
of any more use to the FreeBSD community?

<0> You're a troll!
<1> No you're a troll!
<0> No you!
<1> NO!

> He requests his name not be on any mailing lists, yet acknowledges
> that it infact isn't even his/her name, and continues to mail the
> lists.

I asked for advice on how to clear names off mailinglists.
Not my own name, be it Fafa or be it Afaf, but the name of someone
I know who has been threatened by triads.

The only response I've gotten on that subject (THIS AIN'T IT, SO WHY
ARE YOU INTERMIXING YOU LITTLE *) is: you shold have been aware.

Oh well.

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Re: A beautiful dmesg! Maybe one day?

[Fafa Hafiz Krantz]

> This has nothing to do with order. It is in the same order as before,
> just in a less readable form. The extra line returns are nice thought.

I didn't mean order as in the arrangement.
But order as in tidyness, or to bring order to chaos.

The differences are very petite.

But they hold great power, at least in my opinion, as they would make
me feel a lot more pride every time I watch my boxes boot.

Thanks.

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Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[FreeBsdBeni]

On Thursday 05 May 2005 02:26, Sebastian Reichelt wrote:
> Hello!
>
> As a programmer and computer science student, I wanted to try out
> FreeBSD on my old computer (Pentium 166). Mainly I just want to get to
> know the differences between FreeBSD and Linux, and see whether it
> really has a better design (which many people I know claim).
>
> However, so far I have not been able to install it on my hard drive. I
> have already spent several days on this. Please help me, this is
> becoming really frustrating.
>

You can also have a look at http://www.pcbsd.org/ 

From their website : 

PC-BSD has as its goals to be an easy to install and use desktop OS, which is 
built on the FreeBSD operating system. To accomplish this, it currently has a 
graphical installation, which will enable even UNIX novices to easily install 
and get it running. It will also come with KDE pre-built, so that the desktop 
can be used immediately. Currently in development is a graphical software 
installation program, which will make installing pre-built software as easy 
as other popular operating systems.

Beni.


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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Tomas Quintero]

I'm sorry but doesn't this discussion belong on another list? Maybe
-chat? I dunno, surely it seems like it isn't related to any FreeBSD
technical related content. This is worse than Theo spouting off about
his next spam campaign.

Top Posting for a Reason.

On 5/8/05, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> 
> > No, Chris, we don't want to do that. If you put any kind of message
> > like that on the website you are then implying that the users have
> > copyrights in the first place on postings that they put on the mailing
> > list.
> 
> It's better than being successfully sued or prosecuted for infringement.
> 
> There can be little doubt that posts are indeed protected by copyright,
> as they fall within the scope of materials that are so protected. The
> only question is the degree to which this copyright can be successfully
> enforced.  However, successful enforcement of a law isn't necessary to
> make the law valid, especially in torts.
> 
> > Since what law there is supports the opposite assumption - that the
> > poster has no copyright on the post made in this forum - you are far
> > better legally by NOT putting such a disclaimer.
> 
> Which law supports that?
> 
> > It is kind of like if you walk into a restaurant and pick up a fork
> > and stab yourself, then sue the restaurant claiming that they are
> > negligent in not warning you that their forks are sharp. Today you
> > don't see warning labels on forks because the law presumes that a fork
> > is supposed to be sharp, and it presumes that anyone of legal age to
> > enter a restaurant would know this.
> 
> What is the minimum legal age to enter a restaurant?
> 
> > If restaurants all started slapping warning labels on their forks then
> > they would create a presumption that a normal fork is dull, and that
> > the sharp kind is unexpected.
> 
> Yes, but then they couldn't be sued successfully any more.
> 
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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Anthony Atkielski]

Timothy Smith writes:

> but you DO have to consent to the terms and conditions in to
> confirmation email that is sent to you ...

There are no terms and conditions in the confirmation e-mail that
mention copyright, archives, or publication outside the mailing list.

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Anthony Atkielski]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> No, Chris, we don't want to do that. If you put any kind of message
> like that on the website you are then implying that the users have
> copyrights in the first place on postings that they put on the mailing
> list.

It's better than being successfully sued or prosecuted for infringement.

There can be little doubt that posts are indeed protected by copyright,
as they fall within the scope of materials that are so protected. The
only question is the degree to which this copyright can be successfully
enforced.  However, successful enforcement of a law isn't necessary to
make the law valid, especially in torts.

> Since what law there is supports the opposite assumption - that the
> poster has no copyright on the post made in this forum - you are far
> better legally by NOT putting such a disclaimer.

Which law supports that?

> It is kind of like if you walk into a restaurant and pick up a fork
> and stab yourself, then sue the restaurant claiming that they are
> negligent in not warning you that their forks are sharp. Today you
> don't see warning labels on forks because the law presumes that a fork
> is supposed to be sharp, and it presumes that anyone of legal age to
> enter a restaurant would know this.

What is the minimum legal age to enter a restaurant?

> If restaurants all started slapping warning labels on their forks then
> they would create a presumption that a normal fork is dull, and that
> the sharp kind is unexpected.

Yes, but then they couldn't be sued successfully any more.

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Anthony Atkielski]

Bart Silverstrim writes:

> Nope, because that assumes I have permission to quote ahead of time and
> I'd have an archive in my sent mail (and trash items) for a period of 
> time that you didn't explicitly allow.

No, it does not.  It does not extend the publication of your message
beyond the circle of existing subscribers, and it is only a partial
backquote, which falls within the scope of fair use (in the U.S., and in
some other countries).  What you keep personally archived is irrelevant,
since you legitimately received the message to begin with--although
having it archived doesn't mean that you can republish the message in
other venues.

> Otherwise, I'm screwed legally because I'd be violating your IP rights
> and copyright.

No.  See above.

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Anthony Atkielski]

Alex de Kruijff writes:

> They can claim all they like, but that doesn't mean this hold up in
> cord.

It does sometimes, which is why smart sysadmins protect against it (it's
trivially easy to do).

> In the Netherlands one who enters a protected system deliberate
> and unlawful can get half a year of jail time and a fine of about two
> thosend euro's.

And how does the law define "protected," "deliberate," and "unlawful"?

> The law doesn't say anyting about warning that need to
> be displayed.

So how does a potential intruder know that a system is protected?

> Lets say I've lost my key to my house and someone else
> found it. This still doesn't give that person the right to use it to
> gain access to my house.

How would you prove that he obtained your keys illegitimately?  Having
the keys provides prima facie evidence that he was authorized to enter
the house.

> Of course if there where some technical compromise disabling the need
> for the username/password then they whould be home free. But this
> technical compromise could also effect the message.

If they enter with a valid user name and password, then again that is
strong evidence that they were authorized to use the system.  The fact
that it may be due to the system owner's negligence won't help.

> Leaving the door open would mean not require a the user to enter there
> name and password.

No, there are many ways to leave open doors.  Someone who correctly
guesses a user name and password can walk through an open door.

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Anthony Atkielski]

Joshua Tinnin writes:

> You live life your way. Let others do the same.

They can do whatever they want, as long as they don't infringe upon my
own rights.

> I do not live my life in fear, but nor do I live it in an uninformed manner.

Fear has nothing to do with it.  It's a question of conscience, ethics,
and the Golden Rule.

> If you're serious about this, complaining to the main FreeBSD tech help
> list won't change anything. You need to do a massive, worldwide 
> campaign.

A single lawsuit could close down FreeBSD by eliminating most of its
assets.  I wouldn't want to see that happen.  It's unfortunate that some
people are stupid enough and stubborn enough to put the entire project
at risk.

> ... you can always unsubscribe ...

I've been considering that, since I don't really get much out of the
list.  I almost never get a useful answer to a question, for example.
But there is nothing else when it comes to FreeBSD--one of the
consequences of it being open-source.

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Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE!

[Timothy Smith]

Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Marc Fonvieille writes:
 

All, and I said "All", mailing list subscribing forms mention their
archives ("To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit
the freebsd-blahblah Archives.").  It is impossible to miss it.
   

Then why do so many forms require that you tick a checkbox to assert
that you've read and accepted the terms on the page?
In any case, nothing like that exists for FreeBSD lists.
 

but you DO have to consent to the terms and conditions in to 
confirmation email that is sent to you, you have to repsond to this 
email. the actual mode of agreement is irrelivant
You can't claim your not bound by a contract just because you didn't read it
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The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-04-17 - 2005-05-07

[Dan Langille]

The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical 
examples and how-to guides.  This message is posted weekly
to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people
know what's available on the website.  Before you post a question
here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list 
archives  
and/or The FreeBSD Diary . 


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