Re: Sarg scripts

2005-11-17 Thread Ivailo Tanusheff
Maybe mine is not perfect, but this is what I use at work :)
I use several conf files, like sarg_proxy_daily.conf. The only difference 
between those files is where to put output files, as I use different 
filders for different type or reports, i.e. I have dayly, weekly, monthly 
and yearly folder :)
You can use only one config to store all data in the same place or use 
proper command option. Hope this will help you:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] cat /usr/local/etc/reports/proxy_squid.sh
#!/bin/sh -x

##
#   #
#   Config  #
#   #
#

LOGDIR=/data/proxy/logs

TODAY=$(date +%d/%m/%Y)
YESTERDAY=$(date -v-1d +%d/%m/%Y)
WEEKAGO=$(date -v-1w -v-1d +%d/%m/%Y)
MONTHAGO=$(date -v-1m -v-1d +%d/%m/%Y)
YEARAGO=$(date -v-1y -v-1d +%d/%m/%Y) 


## 
#   #
#   Script  #
#   #
#


if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then
  /bin/echo Usage: `basename $0` [d|w|m|y]
  exit 0
fi


case $1 in
  d)
/usr/local/bin/sarg -f /usr/local/etc/sarg/sarg_proxy_daily.conf -d 
$YESTERDAY-$YESTERDAY -x
;;

  w)
/usr/local/bin/sarg -f /usr/local/etc/sarg/sarg_proxy_weekly.conf -d 
$WEEKAGO-$YESTERDAY
;;

  m)
/usr/local/bin/sarg -f /usr/local/etc/sarg/sarg_proxy_monthly.conf -d 
$MONTHAGO-$YESTERDAY 
;;

  y)
/usr/local/bin/sarg -f /usr/local/etc/sarg/sarg_proxy_yearly.conf -d 
$YEARAGO-$YESTERDAY
;;
 
  *)
/bin/echo Usage: `basename $0` [d|w|m|y]
;;
esac



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If anyone is using sarg (/usr/ports/www/sarg) I would really appreciate
what you are doing for gathering daily/weekly/monthly info.

This would be in the form of scripts I assume and cron.


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Re: BSD 5.4 fs problem...

2005-11-17 Thread Mario Hoerich


# xinyu zeng:

[ building ports leads to system hang ]
 What I am concern is 'Is there any utilities can make a through
 check of my HD and see if it is table'?

If the disks support SMART, you might install 
$PORTS/sysutils/smartmonutils and run e.g.
   smartctl -t long /dev/disk

 HTH,
Mario
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Re: BSD 5.4 fs problem...

2005-11-17 Thread xinyu zeng
I will try install sysutils/smartmonutils.

Hope system would not hang in this process

2005/11/17, Mario Hoerich [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 # xinyu zeng:

 [ building ports leads to system hang ]
  What I am concern is 'Is there any utilities can make a through
  check of my HD and see if it is table'?

 If the disks support SMART, you might install
 $PORTS/sysutils/smartmonutils and run e.g.
smartctl -t long /dev/disk

  HTH,
 Mario



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Re: BSD 5.4 fs problem...

2005-11-17 Thread xinyu zeng
I have no luck

It hangs again...

FreeBSD# cd sysutils/smartmonutils
sysutils/smartmonutils: No such file or directory.
FreeBSD# cd sysutils/
FreeBSD# cd smartmontools/
FreeBSD# make install
===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
= smartmontools-5.32.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
= Attempting to fetch from
http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/smartmontools/.
smartmontools-5.32.tar.gz 100% of  398 kB   10 kBps 00m00s
===  Extracting for smartmontools-5.32
= Checksum OK for smartmontools-5.32.tar.gz.
===  Patching for smartmontools-5.32
===  Applying FreeBSD patches for smartmontools-5.32
===   smartmontools-5.32 depends on executable: gmake - not found
===Verifying install for gmake in /usr/ports/devel/gmake
===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
= make-3.80.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
= Attempting to fetch from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/.
make-3.80.tar.bz2   9% of  899 kB 2034  Bps 06m57s

2005/11/17, xinyu zeng [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I will try install sysutils/smartmonutils.

 Hope system would not hang in this process

 2005/11/17, Mario Hoerich [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 
  # xinyu zeng:
 
  [ building ports leads to system hang ]
   What I am concern is 'Is there any utilities can make a through
   check of my HD and see if it is table'?
 
  If the disks support SMART, you might install
  $PORTS/sysutils/smartmonutils and run e.g.
 smartctl -t long /dev/disk
 
   HTH,
  Mario
 


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Email urls opened as local Files

2005-11-17 Thread Blue Raccoon
Newbie question:

When I open a link ( www.somewwhere.com ) in a Kmail message a small dialog 
pops up (that does something very fast - I can't see what) and then the page 
is opened as a local file (e.g.  file:///var/tmp/kdecache-jayes/krun/943.0.).

The page is text only and none of the hyperlinks in it work (obviously because 
it's context has changed when it was moved to my pc).

Any idea what is happening here, and why?

thanks,

- Jay

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Re: Sound Configuration, Sony Laptop with ac97

2005-11-17 Thread Peter Clutton
On 11/17/05, Dev Tugnait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do a kldload snd_driver, then test your sound. This loads all the sound
 drivers...then go from there

Ok i have done a kldload snd_driver and it recognises it perfectly.
Got Ac97 and ID and memory info etc on the dmesg line. However nothing
actually comes out of the speaker. I am using gnome. It asked me to
run esd which i did, and esd program didn't return my prompt. I left
it, and even after a reboot it was avaliable in my Multimedia
Selector which also lets you run a test on output. I got no sound
from speakers, or from connecting to external speaker/headphones.
Also tested CD's, which I could see the program were playing but
nothing coming out. However when I open Volume Control it is set to
OSS - Null and not esd. Could this be causing a problem? I did play
around with OSS at one stage trying to get it work. Is there any other
way to test the device?

By the was, the speakers themselves are turned up, as well as the
Volume control in gnome.

It seems strange as the driver recognises the sound device perfectly
(i added snd_driver_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf and that works
too) but yet there is no sound. Any ideas?? Thanks very much for the
help so far.
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Re: Monitoring a program

2005-11-17 Thread Ivailo Tanusheff
You can take a snapshot of files being used by lsof:
Port:   lsof-4.76.1.1
Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/lsof
Info:   Lists information about open files (similar to fstat(1))
Maint:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
B-deps:
R-deps:
WWW:http://people.freebsd.org/~abe/

Hope this will help you :)

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Monitoring a program






Hi all

I would like to know what files a program access during it's life time 
(and 
maybe also the internet connections it makes), how should I do this?
I have considered fstat, find, ktrace and searching the source or binary 
for 
path strings, but I guess I need a hook for open().

I'm running 5.4 on a ia32, but if there is a 6.x only program it is also 
welcome.

Best regards
db
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switching terminals

2005-11-17 Thread Atis

Is the following possible?

I log into a computer, and by executing ps see that
there's some program xx reading and writing to/from a
terminal called /dev/ttyp3.

The controlling terminal for my current processes, however,
is /dev/ttyp2.

Now, can I make the program xx change its terminal so
that it starts writing to /dev/ttyp2 and its output
magically appears in front of me?


Atis
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Re: BSD 5.4 fs problem...

2005-11-17 Thread Mario Hoerich
# xinyu zeng:
 sysutils/smartmonutils: No such file or directory.
 FreeBSD# cd sysutils/
 FreeBSD# cd smartmontools/

Ooops.  My fault, sorry. 


 = make-3.80.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
 = Attempting to fetch from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/.
 make-3.80.tar.bz2   9% of  899 kB 2034  Bps 06m57s

Does it always hang in mid-fetch?  That's interesting, because FS
activity at this point is rather low.  It sounds like some kind of
deadlock is triggered here.  However, I must admit that I've got 
absolutely no idea what might cause this.

Unless some other -questions reader has an idea, you might try posting
your problem to the -stable list or filing a PR.  I think a dmesg-output
might prove useful, too.

HTH,
Mario
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Re: Monitoring a program

2005-11-17 Thread guru
El día Thursday, November 17, 2005 a las 11:32:31AM +0200, Ivailo Tanusheff 
escribió:

 You can take a snapshot of files being used by lsof:
 Port:   lsof-4.76.1.1
 Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/lsof
 Info:   Lists information about open files (similar to fstat(1))
 Maint:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 B-deps:
 R-deps:
 WWW:http://people.freebsd.org/~abe/
 
 Hope this will help you :)

with 'lsof' you can see the actual situation; with 'truss' you
may investigate in detail all sys calls (like opening files)

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Re: BSD 5.4 fs problem...

2005-11-17 Thread xinyu zeng
Yes, I do think at that time there should be no much more HD
read/write actions. But it is strange it always hanges at that time.
Am I so luck to always have file written to faulty part of disks? ;(

I am just wondering this is my hardware problem because 5.4 is a
production version and it should had been provisioned by many users
so I'd rather believe it is my HW problem.

I'll have a try to get dmesg for it.

Thanks for your suggestion;)

2005/11/17, Mario Hoerich [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 # xinyu zeng:
  sysutils/smartmonutils: No such file or directory.
  FreeBSD# cd sysutils/
  FreeBSD# cd smartmontools/

 Ooops.  My fault, sorry.


  = make-3.80.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
  = Attempting to fetch from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/.
  make-3.80.tar.bz2   9% of  899 kB 2034  Bps 
  06m57s

 Does it always hang in mid-fetch?  That's interesting, because FS
 activity at this point is rather low.  It sounds like some kind of
 deadlock is triggered here.  However, I must admit that I've got
 absolutely no idea what might cause this.

 Unless some other -questions reader has an idea, you might try posting
 your problem to the -stable list or filing a PR.  I think a dmesg-output
 might prove useful, too.

 HTH,
 Mario



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RE: Solaris patches and Solaris Express

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Hmmm,

   We run a lot of Solaris 8 and FreeBSD.  I find Solaris 8 pretty
much the same speed as FreeBSD for what we do.  However, one thing
is that we do not run X-windows on either our Solaris 8 or FreeBSD
systems, because they are servers and there is no need for it.

  I've generally not found trouble obtaining the patches for Solaris
I've needed, most of them are in the cluster patch, and the ones that
aren't yet are critical (such as the repaired ncsd program) are
available on the Internet on non-Sun-approved websites.

  The performance of Xorg/XFree86 vs Openwindows is greatly different
as you point out.  It is possible to compile Xorg on Solaris 8, at
least Solaris x86 - I've heard of people doing it but I've never
done it myself.

Ted

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 Do community member find these additional features worth the cost?

No.

We just want to get our patches without jumping through any hoops, or
worrying about if the check made it through the mail, or if Sun FUBAR'ed
our support account info rather than there being a problem with the
Update Manager connecting, etc.

No longer personally worried about it though..I nuked my Solaris install
and have a nice, shiny new FreeBSD 6.0 kit now, and I gotta say, after
Solaris 5.10 x86, the speed difference alone is breathtaking.

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Re: Sound Configuration, Sony Laptop with ac97

2005-11-17 Thread Owen Jeremiah
IIRC, the recommended step to do is do:
kldload snd_driver

and then do:
cat /dev/sndstat

to get the correct driver (in my case it is snd_ich). After that you put the
driver into loder.conf (in my case: snd_ich_load=YES).

Hope it helps.

Regards,
OJ
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Which firewall?

2005-11-17 Thread Sasa Stupar

Hi!

I am about to set up a router with FBSD 5.4 for SOHO network. There will be 
no servers running, only inet access for the users but I'd like to make 
traffic limitation for users (download and upload). Which firewall of the 
three one explained in the handbook do you recommend?


Regards,
Sasa
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RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Subject: RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems


Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Vince

While most people aren't using a pentium 1 to run a water sprinkler
system, there are a countless amount of people using machines
for things
that aren't ideally power efficient. A lot of people using old PCs and
Internet gateways in their home network and nothing else. This is a 24
hour PC running just to provide Internet where a basic Netgear home
router 500ma device can do it just as well, (5volts * 0.5amp =
2.5watts), a lot of people use FreeBSD as a server in some way on a
network and need to keep it somewhat up to date for security reasons
this also means 24 hour running.


 Hmm - let's see now, where does this extra wasted power go?  It
 is turned into heat.  Which heats your house.  Which means you do

A lot of it doesn't, it gets lost to the atmosphere at the
power station
and in transmission losses.

 not have to run the furnace so much, thus saving energy there.

If you mean gas fired, almost all the heat is generated inside
your house

There's a huge number of people that heat with electric, and more
and more every day since more people are living in apartments these
days, and the apartment complexes, particularly the new ones,
are going electric baseboard heaters since that way they can bill
the resident their exact usage.

Also even a gas furnace uses electricity for the blower, quite a lot
of it.


 So you spend more energy to run inefficient PC's and save energy
 in not running your furnace.  Seems to me to be a wash, here.

So the saving of C02 emissions by reducing your gas heating is not as
great as the extra C02 emissions generated by your PC, by quite a large
amount I believe.

Older gas furnaces are about 70% efficient, even newer ones
are about 80%.  A lot of energy goes up the flue.  You can get
90% efficient furnaces but they cost double or more than a
standard one (I know, I own one) so most people don't buy them.

A natural gas fired power plant can get more efficiency.


 I should also point out that in many areas power is generated by
 wind.  Here in the Pacific NW you can pay a bit extra on your
 power bill to have all your electricity come from wind if you want.

I wish we could have more commitment to sustainable energy in UK but UK
governments noise about it _is_ wash sadly.

A lot of people on the FreeBSD mailing
lists like the idea of getting rid of their clunky old PC routers and
still using a good firewall like Packet Filter by using the MIPS based
linksys WRT54G router that could run FreeBSD, while there is no
port for
this on FreeBSD the closest front for this would be NetBSD.



 At the ISP I work at we USED to recommend Linksys routers.  Then
 we found that without exception they fail after about a year to two
 of continuous use.  Therefore the person goes and buys another router.
 Talk about wasted energy of manufacture and increased use of landfill
 space.

That is indeed a waste but consider that in that year the PC at 150
watts has consumed 60 times as much power as the router at 2.5 watts. I
make that 1314kWh for the PC and 21.9kWh for the router 24/7
for a year.
Anyone know how much power it takes to manufacture and deliver a small
router? And maybe other routers last a bit longer.

Where this comes back just a little to topic is if an OS such
as FreeBSD
can be made to run as effectively on an older PC as Windows on a new PC
the new PC doesn't have to be manufactured and the old PC doesn't have
to go into landfill. And then the FreeBSD project _is_ saving the world.



 You need to rethink your views on energy.  The problem in the world
 today is not electrical energy.  We can generate all the electric
 power we could ever need using wind energy, for very little more

There is actually some debate about how much sustainable energy we can
produce globally, and we also have to think about the world tomorrow
when low consuming countries convert to consumer societies, eg China.


As long as the Chinese government is a dictatorship they will not
permit China to become dependent on foreign oil, they are far too
paranoid for that.  China is the world's sixth largest oil producer,
and 60 per cent of its oil consumption is domestically produced. Oil
makes up only 23 per cent of the country's total energy consumption,
far less than coal, which accounted for 68 per cent, and also less
than the world average, which is 40 per cent.  According to BP's
Statistical Review of World Energy 2005, China consumed 310 million
tons of oil in 2004, accounting for 8 per cent of the world total,
whereas the United States consumed 938 million tons -- a quarter of
the global total and three times China's consumption.

The International Energy Agency estimated the growth of China's oil

Re: Which firewall?

2005-11-17 Thread Dinesh Nair



On 11/17/05 18:15 Sasa Stupar said the following:

Hi!

I am about to set up a router with FBSD 5.4 for SOHO network. There will 
be no servers running, only inet access for the users but I'd like to 


you could try using m0n0wall, http://m0n0.ch/wall/

it's a freebsd 4.11 based system with a nice UI.

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Re: Sound Configuration, Sony Laptop with ac97

2005-11-17 Thread Peter Clutton
On 11/17/05, Owen Jeremiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 IIRC, the recommended step to do is do:
 kldload snd_driver
 and then do:
 cat /dev/sndstat
 to get the correct driver (in my case it is snd_ich). After that you put the
 driver into loder.conf (in my case: snd_ich_load=YES).

Thanks but i have done that, and the driver seems to be working fine.
The problem is that nothing is coming out of the speakers. I have a
feeling that it has something to do with the Volume Control applet in
gnome pointing to OSS Null and giving me no other option (eg esd).

Only other thing could be these on touch sound buttons on the
laptop, for mute and outside sound (by default), but they are really
soft keys, so they couldn't really have turned off the sound, and now
be not responding (which was one of my early theories. Any help would
be appreciated,
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Everything on FAT is executable

2005-11-17 Thread Blue Raccoon

Newbie question:

I have mounted my Windows FAT32 partitions. Read  Write works fine, but every 
single file on the mounted drives is 'seen' as executable. And that doesn't 
change when a file is copied to the UFS partition. This, I think, is asking 
for trouble.

(How) can I change this?

Thanks in advance,

-Jay
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RE: Solaris patches and Solaris Express

2005-11-17 Thread J.D. Bronson

At 03:52 AM 11/17/2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Hmmm,

   We run a lot of Solaris 8 and FreeBSD.  I find Solaris 8 pretty
much the same speed as FreeBSD for what we do.  However, one thing
is that we do not run X-windows on either our Solaris 8 or FreeBSD
systems, because they are servers and there is no need for it.

  I've generally not found trouble obtaining the patches for Solaris
I've needed, most of them are in the cluster patch, and the ones that
aren't yet are critical (such as the repaired ncsd program) are
available on the Internet on non-Sun-approved websites.

  The performance of Xorg/XFree86 vs Openwindows is greatly different
as you point out.  It is possible to compile Xorg on Solaris 8, at
least Solaris x86 - I've heard of people doing it but I've never
done it myself.

Ted


Indeed. But this is not Solaris 10 - thats when all of this changed.





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RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:14 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Free BSD Questions list
Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems



Ted

It would be nice if you could at least get your facts straight

(continued below)

On Nov 15, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



 On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

 A lot of people wondered how Steve Jobs could dare change over to
 Intel
 chips.
 In Steve Jobs keynote speech announcing the big move Intel chips
 was
 just about entirely stated as because of the 'performance per watt
 ratio' of Intel CPUs. Check out the picture of the key note speech
 and
 look at the bottom of the picture with Intel and IBM's PowerPC
 processor.
 http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/2005/WWDC/
 perfperwatt.jpg


 This is a bunch of whitewashing as anyone in the tech industry
 knows.

 Wrong.  WHat jobs said was exactly correct

 Jobs changed over to Intel for two reasons.  First, because Intel
 gave
 him a better price on the CPU's.

 This is also a consideration.  Price always is/

 However, the main reason was that the performance they needed at the
 wattage they needed (for laptops) was not on the horizon for PPC.
 The G5 can compete against the Intel desktop offerings but there was
 not a laptop G5 coming any time soon [because of energy dissipation)
 and the G4 for laptops was not cutting it.


 Rubbish.  They could simply use Intel for laptops until IBM got it
 together.
 Or signed a letter of intent which would prod IBM.  There is nothing
 inherent
 in the design of the G5 that makes it so that you cannot make low
 power
 and low heat versions of it.

Ted.  Apple did play some games to try and prod IBM.   And your
assertion that they could use Intel for laptops until IBM got its act
together is hysterical.  Glad you aren't running Apple or any other
real company.  You want them to commit to a much more expensive 2-
architecture strategy indefinitely?

Why not, every major name brand computer manufacturer produces systems
that are either AMD or Intel CPUs.  You can compile Darwin - I mean MacOS
X
for Intel just as easy as for Power PC.  And besides, they are going to
be
doing it anyway - or do you really think Apple is going to turn it's back
on
all it's Power PC installed base?  Right now nobody knows if the public
will go for the Intel-based Macs.  Apple is claiming the public will but
they
really don't know.  If the public balks and stops buying Macs except for
powerPC based ones, Apple will certainly not stop production on the
PowerPC stuff.
Don't forget the Apple Lisa and what happened to it.

How long have you been running FreeBSD?  And you still are so ignorant of
porting UNIX to other platforms?  UNIX was designed to be ported to
many different architectures.  For that matter the crackers have already
broken the weak security and run MacOS X 86 on standard PC hardware:

http://www.osx86.theplaceforitall.com/howto/

If I was running Apple I would have opened the specs ages ago.  Apple
did so and for a while people made Apple clones, then Apple got greedy.
Or more specifically, Jobs got greedy.  Since he was the one that killed
the Mac clones.

Jobs had a choice back in 1997 or whenerver he shot down Power Computing.
The cloners were making Mac clones better and faster than Apple. Jobs
could either circle the wagons and retard Mac development to continue to
wring money out of Mac users, or he could concentrate on making Mac
software
so great and compelling that people would buy it.

People are leaving Sparc architecture in droves for everything other than
supercomputers, they are going Solaris x86.  Why - because the major
motherboard makers do it better and cheaper than Sun, and they would
do it better and cheaper than Apple if Apple allowed it.

That makes a lot of sense.  IBM
was not interested in making a G5 caliber chip made for laptops.

That's what Apple says to justify their switch.

There was nothing in their roadmap and nothing technology wise they
were showing.

Yeah, right they are going to publish their roadmap so Intel can see it.

Intel has some nice laptop chipsets  and cpus.  It is
difficult and expensive as is to do a multi year transition and keep
support of PPC machines for the sveeral years that they will be doing
so after the transition.


-IF- they transition and the Intel-based Mac's don't crash and burn
like the Apple Lisa.

It probably was technically feasible to come up with a G5 caliber
laptop chip but IBM was not interested for someone as low volume as
Apple.  They are much more interested in XBox 360 , Playstation 3 and
Nintendo evolution.


 Other computer manufacturers have no problems using different CPU's in
 their products.

Name one major manufacturer in the same market as Apple that has an
indefinite long term strategy of multiple CPUs.  I can only think of
Big Iron like Sun 

PCI serial board problem

2005-11-17 Thread Daniel Malaby

Hi all,

I am trying to get a Syba 2S1P, chip set NM9835CV, PCI serial board to
work in my FBSD 5.4 box.

When booting the BOIS finds the card and reports it as a simple com
controller but as FBSD boots up it reports the card as

unknown: PNP0401 can't assign resources (port)
unknown: PNP0501 can't assign resources (port)
unknown: PNP0501 can't assign resources (port)
unknown: PNP0700 can't assign resources (port)
unknown: PNP0f13 can't assign resources (irq)

then of course sio does not see the ports. I suspect the real problem is
the PNP, I have the BIOS set for OS PNP, actually I have tried it with
it off also and that did not seem to have any effect. The documentation
does not say to much about PNP cards, so I was wondering if anyone could
give me some pointers, or give me a PCI serial board that is known to
work with FBSD 5.4.

Please cc me for I am not subscribed to the list.

TIA


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RE: Intresting X Question...

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: Intresting X Question...


On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:31 pm, Eric Murphy wrote:
 Maybe some body can explain this alittle better then my google
 searchs and other readings.

 My question is this: Lets say your installing BSD on some
 workstation, you dont know the hardware specs of the monitor
 (Vertical and Horizontal rates ect..) and you need to
 configure Xorg. Its my understanding that Xorg runs getconfig,
 which determines the video card type and monitor type. Once it
 has that information it applys the information gatherd to the
 xorg config. Is that how it works? I was going to say, it cant
 just test a bunch of differnt monitor rates that could cause
 damage to the monitor.


Most modern monitors respond to Xorg's enquiry over an I2C bus
as to its capabilities.
If this doesn't work then maybe:
* The monitor is too old.
* The monitor doesn't subscribe to the 'standards'.
* Somehow the I2C bus is not working.
* The monitor manufacturer was overly optermistic when setting
up the information base for reporting over I2C

You forgot that the video card and Xserver has to support
this.

Yes, Xorg/XFree86 configuration is a breeze when the X server
is able to probe the monitor for the refresh rates.

But there's a lot of cards/server combos that this will not
work with.  And when that happens X configuration is a bitch.

What you have to do is trial and error it.

For example take the onboard video card on the early Compaq
deskpro, it's an S3 based thing.

Under the svga server the monitor is properly probed but
the driver programs the card wrong and you get problems with
the mouse.

Under the s3 server the monitor isn't probed but the mouse
cursor works.

A quick and dirty hack is to boot with the svga server, record
the refresh rates from the X log, then reconfigure for the
usable server and hard code in the refresh rates learned from
the log.  Quick and dirty but effective.  It's also not something
that an inexperienced person would think of.

The other problem is the GUI-based config tool won't of course
work if the card/monitor combo is too weird.  Another solution
to that is running the original script configuration tool.

There are a lot of X config tricks that aren't mentioned in the
Handbook.  If the OP had bothered to list what he was working
with I might even suggest a few that would help.

Ted
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RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:58 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Michael Vince; Peter Clutton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems



On 11/15/05 12:23 Ted Mittelstaedt said the following:
 Hmm - let's see now, where does this extra wasted power go?  It
 is turned into heat.  Which heats your house.  Which means you do
 not have to run the furnace so much, thus saving energy there.

that's a very geocentric view. for most of us who live in the 
tropics or on 
the equator where the ambient temperature is 31degC, the wasted 
power is 
really wasted twice: once from the PC, and once more thru higher 
airconditioning/cooling devices.


In the tropics you are flooded with free energy streaming down
on you all day long and your complaining?!?!?  Please, search
Google for the term photovoltaic and be enlightened.

Ted
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rcorder again..

2005-11-17 Thread J.D. Bronson
Well...I was surprised that no one replied. I was trying to figure 
out why ppp-user would start BEFORE pf fired up


It appears easy enough to change, but its untested:

Edit /etc/rc.d/ppp-user:

# $FreeBSD: src/etc/rc.d/ppp-user,v 1.7 2004/12/15 12:39:28 brian Exp $
#

# PROVIDE: ppp-user
# REQUIRE: netif isdnd pf --- add pf
# KEYWORD: nojail

=

Then rcorder shows things BETTER:

/etc/rc.d/netif
/etc/rc.d/pfsync
/etc/rc.d/pflog
/etc/rc.d/pf
/etc/rc.d/isdnd
/etc/rc.d/ppp-user


my only concern might be that tun0 is not created until ppp-user 
launches (correct me if I am wrong) and pf might have an issue with 
an interface that doesnt yet exist. Under OpenBSD, tun0 is there 
before ppp even starts.

Wouldnt we WANT pf to be active prior to ppp launching (like in openbsd?)


Can someone kindly comment on this please?

thanks guys!




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RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:38 PM
To: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems


On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 09:13:54PM -0700, Chad Leigh --
Shire.Net LLC wrote:

 Ted

 It would be nice if you could at least get your facts straight

Agreed.

 There is no software obsolescence issue.  Besides making it quite
 easy to port software to OS X Intel for most people, since the
 underlying OS and libraries is the same, Apple has invested a ton of
 money into the Rosetta technology which allows PPC software to
 continue to run on the Intel boxes.  And they are also still
 introducing PPC machines for a while and will continue to
support PPC
 machines for several years so as to avoid the problem.

 Once again typical Apple apologizing.  When Apple dumped MacOS
 Classic in favor of MacOS X, all the Apple proponents who for years
 were saying that MacOS was the best OS in existence, didn't let the
 door hit them on the ass on the way out of the mac Classic room.

Before it MacOS X, MacOS 9 was not known as Classic. Classic is MacOS 9
being hosted *under* MacOS X. Contrary to Ted's revisionist view of
Macintosh history, Mac users were pushed to X kicking and screaming in
protest. Much the same as when DOS users were forced to use
subdirectories.


If the Mac users really didn't like it, they would have told Apple to
wank off and gone to Windows.

Much like the little child who throws a temper tantrum when the parents
try to get him to eat his carrots, but when they finally give up and
let him alone he eats every carrot in sight.

The protesting was completely empty and as fake as a crocodile's
tears.  Secretly the Mac faithful loved the move to OS X.  If they really
had been mad at Apple, they would have retaliated by leaving Apple.
The fact that they didn't speaks far more volumes than any kicking
and screaming.

 ?  classic MacOS  (OS 9) was good for the market it was
competing
 in but could not last forever.  Apple has the Classic compatibility
 in OS X and for a few years after OS X was introduced continued to
 introduce new machines that support OS 9 natively.  I can still run
 lots of my System 7 apps on my G5 under Classic today...  no
software
 obsolescence and nothing to worry about hitting me in the ass.

I have an Introl C-11 compiler from 1991 for the 68hc11 family which
still runs under my old 68k version of MPW, under Classic, under MacOS
10.4.3. One OS hosted under another and one CPU doing soft
interpretation of 68k binary code. Generating code for yet a 3rd
CPU. And on my lowly 867 MHz Dual G4 its 30x faster than it ever was on
native 68k.


Hmm - let's see, where's Introl today?  Do you suppose that all that
backwards compatability helped Introl's sales? ;-)

In real world use my 256MB G4-400 MacOS X 10.4.3 Powerbook is faster
than my 512MB 2GHz WinXP Pro box at work.

But - Chad said that the G4 is a no-go?  That the G5 was an absolute
requirement
for laptop use?  Yet your saying that a G4 for a laptop is perfectly
acceptable?
Then why again ais Apple moving to Intel chips to get laptops?  :-)

Thats also no small part of
why I keep a 450 MHz PII FreeBSD system at work. There is too much real
work that needs to be done which is easy in Unix but a pain in Windows.
Am not going to waste *my* perfectly good Macintosh at work.

If this is planned obsolescence then I love it!


The plan is to come out with new gear every few years so as to extract
money from
the customer base.  As I already said in my first post, lots of people
are like you -
perfectly happy NOT buying the latest Apple product.  Apple wants money
from them -
so Apple has to shake things up.

Ted

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Wrong system time when booting off cd9660

2005-11-17 Thread Dmitry Pryanishnikov


Hello!

 I've made a custom bootable CDROM based on 6.0-RELEASE using the following
command line (shamelessly stolen from /usr/src/release/i386/mkisoimages.sh):

mkisofs -b boot/cdboot -no-emul-boot -r -J -o cd.iso cd

I've made the following tweaks in system's rc.conf:

root_rw_mount=NO ; update_motd=NO
entropy_file=NO ;  entropy_dir=NO

and in fstab:

# DeviceMountpoint  FStype  Options DumpPass#
/dev/acd0   /   cd9660  ro  0   0

System boots OK except it doesn't read system time from RTC: I'm always 
getting something like Thu Jan  1 03:00:00 MSK 1970 (actuall this system

uses /etc/localtime copied from /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Kiev; and yes,
back in 1970 it was Moscow time here ;). If I reset system time using
'date' or 'ntpdate', it actually updates RTC. Why do I have such an effect?

Sincerely, Dmitry
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Re: Which firewall?

2005-11-17 Thread ke.han

Sasa Stupar wrote:

Hi!

I am about to set up a router with FBSD 5.4 for SOHO network. There will 
be no servers running, only inet access for the users but I'd like to 
make traffic limitation for users (download and upload). Which firewall 
of the three one explained in the handbook do you recommend?



I think you are asking about whether to use ipfilter, pf or fw.
It is my understanding that by choosing pf (openbsd origination) you now 
get altq bundled with it for traffic shaping.  This is the solution I 
have chosen to fbsd 5.4 and 6.0 solutions.
The others are supposedly good general purpose firewalls but it seems 
that choosing pf + atlq you get the best go forward solution.

good luck, ke han



Regards,
Sasa
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RE: Solution for retrieving data from hard disk

2005-11-17 Thread myfreebsd
A little more info please. You can't mount your HD during boot?, what is your 
fstab?, Have you been able to mount it in the past with the same configuration? 
Did you change something recently? 

Also, have you tried booting in single user mode? Are the FIXIT option in 
sysinstall?

David

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Re: Solaris patches and Solaris Express

2005-11-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:00 AM, J.D. Bronson wrote:


At 03:52 AM 11/17/2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Hmmm,

   We run a lot of Solaris 8 and FreeBSD.  I find Solaris 8 pretty
much the same speed as FreeBSD for what we do.  However, one thing
is that we do not run X-windows on either our Solaris 8 or FreeBSD
systems, because they are servers and there is no need for it.

  I've generally not found trouble obtaining the patches for Solaris
I've needed, most of them are in the cluster patch, and the ones that
aren't yet are critical (such as the repaired ncsd program) are
available on the Internet on non-Sun-approved websites.


Indeed. But this is not Solaris 10 - thats when all of this changed.


This is an interesting thread as we just had a big discussion about  
free Solaris 10 and patches on a Solaris x86 list (at yahoo)...


But I run Solaris 10 on a machine (and could be more in the future).   
Strictly server -- no Xwindows etc, and I also have FreeBSD 5.4 on  
several machines.  The speed of various things is comparable, about  
the same, on similar HW and FreeBSD 5.4 and Solaris 10 and Solaris  
has higher performing java (naturally) as well as better resource  
management and better jails (zones) (including multicast dns  
working inside of the zone which does not work in FreeBSD jail) so  
for what I needed it seems to be a better choice.  Except for the  
patches.  Sun is screwing the pooch with this one...


Chad


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Re: Which firewall?

2005-11-17 Thread Sasa Stupar



--On 17. november 2005 18:19 +0800 Dinesh Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




On 11/17/05 18:15 Sasa Stupar said the following:

Hi!

I am about to set up a router with FBSD 5.4 for SOHO network. There will
be no servers running, only inet access for the users but I'd like to


you could try using m0n0wall, http://m0n0.ch/wall/

it's a freebsd 4.11 based system with a nice UI.


Hmmm, this looks interesting.

Thanx.


Sasa


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upgrade to 6

2005-11-17 Thread Efren Bravo
Hi,  
  
Where can I find instructions of how upgrade from
5.4-RELEASE-i386 to 6.0-RELEASE-i386?  
  
Would be valid
http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-upgrade-5.3-to-5.4/
although it doesn't make reference to 6? 

Thanks...

Efren Bravo.



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RE: Need urgent help regarding security

2005-11-17 Thread Steve Bertrand

 On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:51:08PM -0500, Steve Bertrand wrote:
  Most *((cr/h)ackers* (and I use that term VERY loosely (aka:
  script kiddies)) are interested in rooting a box, and setting up a 
  storage/sharing area that is free to them. This may not be 
 the case, 
  but it's better to 'observe' your foreign presence first.
 
 I understand the rationale behind this advice, but I 
 disagree. I made my suggestion plain in another part of this 
 thread, but (in
 general) the first priority should be to disrupt the attack. 
 For some organizations (universities, especially), computing 
 resources are our number one asset. We have oodles of cycles 
 and network bandwidth -- a rooted box directly targets our 
 valuables, even if it's only doing IRC or warez.

I do agree with you. When it happened to me, generally the whole process
of finding out where the origination of the attack (at least the network
it was launched from), what they had done on the box, how they intruded
in the first place etc was 15 minutes. I understand that in a critical
environment where important data can be compromised it has to be taken
offline as quickly as possible.

 Moreover, the longer the hole remains open, the greater the 
 chance that the attacker will extend the breach. In most 
 every scenario I can imagine, this is unacceptable. Real 
 forensic investigation can't really even be performed until 
 the box is offline; looking at /tmp and other likely trouble 
 spots is excellent advice, but should come later in the process.

Agreed again. However in at least 3 cases I've dealt with, they were
pretty much the same other than some minor differences. I've always had
backups too. However there is always that fear that they could have
infiltrated other boxen on the network, which if you just 'broke' one
aspect of their intrusion suddenly, may provoke them to do something
nastier then they originally intended.

I guess it's a lose-lose situation any way you look at it.

 
 For now, take a snapshot of the network activity (using lsof, 
 ngrep, tcpdump, etc); I recommended lsof because it will 
 reveal all open files and network sockets very quickly. Dump 
 the output to a file and unplug the machine. tcpdump and 
 friends will work well, too, and give you a more indepth look 
 at the network activity, but will also require you to keep 
 the box up for longer than I'd be comfortable.
 
 OP has some asset that is being threatened or diminished by 
 this attack, be it his bandwith, CPU cycles, host/network 
 integrity or self confidence. He needs to identify that asset 
 and work quickly to protect it. In most cases, this will mean 
 immediately removing the box and preparing to rebuild the 
 machine; if he's interested in investigating, he can do that 
 on an image of the disk (since investigations are of little 
 use if they ruin the evidence). 
 
 Allowing the attack to proceed may be moderately 
 enlightening, but (from the OP's message) it seems like the 
 basic problem is known.
 Crufty machines attract attacks.
 
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RE: Need urgent help regarding security

2005-11-17 Thread Steve Bertrand
[...]

  You can easily rebuild a new kernel with:
  
  options IPFIREWALL
  options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE
  options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT_1000
  
  Then create a script blocking ALL ports exept those what you need.
  Especially only allowing SSH access to the box from limited 
 IP's. If 
  you need help, just ask.
 
 Thanks for the suggestion. I personally have no experience 
 with IPFW (I have played with IPF a little bit on a test box 
 here) so I will have to think on that a little. I am guessing 
 you suggest IPFW as opposed to IPF correct? I read up on IPFW 
 and IPF in the handbook when I was experimenting with 
 firewalls and the rule syntax and things seemed more logical 
 to me with IPF, but I did not look that far in depth.

I only recommend IPFW because that is what I am familiar with. I don't
want to start a flame war, as I've been told by others that IPF is just
as good. If you are experienced with IPF and understand the syntax of
it's rules, by all means, go for it.

 
 My servers are also remote so I would have to make sure I 
 didn't firewall myself out when enabling any firewall. ;)

Yes, that is always a concern. I've been there/done that before on more
than one occasion. There are scripts that can 'reset' to a previous
config if this does happen though (I learned the hard way ;)

  Have you checked your daily cron outputs lately? What do they say?
 
 All I see is legit cronjobs from a billing system that I run 
 and some from cPanel such as cpumonitor and backups.

Sorry, I meant the security run outputs that get sent at around 0300
every day.

Steve

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starting services?

2005-11-17 Thread Lonnie Cumberland
Greetings All,

 

I hope that you are all doing well today.

 

I have just installed the Samba3 via the packages in the /stand/sysinstall
but am not clear on how to start the daemon.  I have had a lot of experience
with Linux but have not learned a lot about FreeBSD yet and am working on
it.

 

Also, I have been watching the threads on some hackers breaking into
someone's system through PHP and am wondering about how secure FreeBSD
really is compared to various default installs of Linux. Not to start a
comparison battle, but I just wanted to try to find out a little more about
the basic security of FreeBSD as we are looking to use it in a production
service.

 

Thanks,

 

-- 

Lonnie 

 

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Re: unsupported file layout

2005-11-17 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Ian Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am trying to setup pdflib on a freebsd server running 2x Xeon processors.
 
 The kernel is compiled using AMD64 version of freebsd6.
 
 I downloaded the binairies for freebsd 5.x for the IA32 architecture.
 
 I've copied the
 /usr/local/PDFlib-6.0.2-FreeBSD5/bind/php5/php-503/libpdf_php.so into
 /usr/local/lib/php/20041030 since this is the directory used into my
 extension_dir attribute in my php.ini
 
 When I reload apache, I get an error in my php error log saying:
 
 [16-Nov-2005 01:45:05] PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load
 dynamic library '/usr/local/lib/php/20041030/libpdf_php.so' - /usr/
 local/lib/php/20041030/libpdf_php.so: unsupported file layout in
 Unknown on line 0
 
 Does that has anything to do with the fact I compiled using my kernel
 using AMD64 or does it have something to do with the fact I am running
 freebsd 5.x binairies on a 6.x version ?
 
  From my understanding, the problem is related to the fact that the
 binairy was compiled for freebsd 5 on an intel IA32 architecture and
 that I am running freebsd 6 with AMD64.
 
 Since I compiled my kernel with
 options COMPAT_IA32 # Compatible with i386 binaries
 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5
 
 Shouldn't it be working ? or do I need to do antything special to
 activate these functions

The compat options will let you run old binaries, but they won't let
you link amd64 binaries to i386 libraries.  Just install native pdflib
libraries and you will be fine.
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Re: Ntp Runs 2 Processes

2005-11-17 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Dev Tugnait [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Upong booting my machine i noticed ntp running 2 processes.
 
 root 456  0.0  0.1  2952  1396  ??  Ss4:30AM
 0:00.50 /usr/sbin/ntpd -c /etc/ntp.conf -p /var/run/
 root 803  0.0  0.1  2952  1404  ??  S 4:31AM
 0:00.01 /usr/sbin/ntpd -c /etc/ntp.conf -p /var/run/
 
 rc.conf info
 ntpd_enable=YES
 ntpd_flags=-c /etc/ntp.conf -p /var/run/ntpd.pid
 ntpdate_enable=YES
 ntpdate_flags=ntp2.usno.navy.mil

I'd guess that something else is being configured to start ntp as well...
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sarg conf files

2005-11-17 Thread Chris
What I really need to see is the conf files involved. Installing from the 
ports is not what I expected. There is only one conf file and the docs on 
the sarg site are less then expected.


Perhaps the maintaner just forgot to include these conf files for the 
daily/weekly/monthly reports.


Who knows.


Best regards,
Chris

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Re: Which firewall?

2005-11-17 Thread Ashley Moran
On Thursday 17 November 2005 10:15, Sasa Stupar wrote:
 Hi!

 I am about to set up a router with FBSD 5.4 for SOHO network. There will be
 no servers running, only inet access for the users but I'd like to make
 traffic limitation for users (download and upload). Which firewall of the
 three one explained in the handbook do you recommend?

 Regards,
 Sasa

Sasa

We have found pf to be the best firewall.  It's got a simple and flexible 
configuration, and using pfsync you can configure redundant firewalls.  (You 
can literally pul the plug on one and connections across the firewall cluster 
will continue uninterrupted.

Ashley
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Re: if_bridge interface confuses Windows Small Business Server 2000

2005-11-17 Thread Ashley Moran
On Tuesday 15 November 2005 13:43, Steve Bertrand wrote:
 I'm a wee bit confused here, but I do understand what you are trying to
 do.

 First, did you compile a new kernel with the following option?:

 options BRIDGE

 Second, try giving both PC's a static IP address, and disconnect the
 FBSD box entirely from the network (so you essentially have a 2 pc
 network), then commence testing.

 HTH,

 Steve


Steve

Thanks for the reply

I didn't recompile a kernel specifically for this.  I thought the bridge was a 
KLD (/boot/kernel/if_bridge.ko)?  ifconfig shows the bridge as running.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ifconfig
rl0: flags=8943UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,PROMISC,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
options=8VLAN_MTU
inet6 fe80::2e0:4cff:fe77:27f0%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
inet 192.168.0.181 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
ether 00:e0:4c:77:27:f0
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
rl1: flags=8943UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,PROMISC,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
options=8VLAN_MTU
inet6 fe80::2e0:4cff:fe12:a7d9%rl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
ether 00:e0:4c:12:a7:d9
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
plip0: flags=108810POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT mtu 1500
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
bridge0: flags=8041UP,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1500
ether ac:de:48:01:fb:93
priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20
member: rl1 flags=3LEARNING,DISCOVER
member: rl0 flags=3LEARNING,DISCOVER


Here is my setup:
  bridge0
 /   \
  _  |   |
 / \ rl0 \+-+/rl1 ++
{  NETWORK  }-|alfie|-|fred|
 \_/  +-+ ++
  FreeBSD  Win2k


So if I disconnect alfie, fred will lose connectivity too.


Hopefully this clears up what I meant...

regards
Ashley
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Re: starting services?

2005-11-17 Thread Gerry Freymann
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:45:14 -0500
Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have just installed the Samba3 via the packages in the
/stand/sysinstall but am not clear on how to start the daemon.  I have
had a lot of experience with Linux but have not learned a lot about
FreeBSD yet and am working on it.

 Welcome to FreeBSD. You didn't mention what version you are using, so I
can only speak definitively on v4.

 If you installed via the ports/packages, it should have dropped a start
up script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d (which is where a lot of the start
up/shut down scripts go for various programs).

 You may have something in there called samba.sh.sample. If you copy it or
rename it to samba.sh it will automatically start and stop samba for you
as needed.

 If you manually want to do this, you *must* use the full path to the
script:

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/samba.sh start | stop

 You should find what you need in /usr/local/etc/rc.d

Also, I have been watching the threads on some hackers breaking into
someone's system through PHP and am wondering about how secure FreeBSD
really is compared to various default installs of Linux.

 That isn't a problem with FreeBSD, it's a problem with PHP (and/or poor
programming). I would feel quite secure with FreeBSD and PHP. The latest
exploits involved a few PHP scripts and were quickly patched. There are
sections on securing FreeBSD in the handbook, and if you google you'll
find a few other sites with suggestions and examples too.

 Have fun!

-Gerry
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Re: Everything on FAT is executable

2005-11-17 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Blue Raccoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have mounted my Windows FAT32 partitions. Read  Write works fine, but 
 every 
 single file on the mounted drives is 'seen' as executable. And that doesn't 
 change when a file is copied to the UFS partition. This, I think, is asking 
 for trouble.
 
 (How) can I change this?

Note that this happens because FAT doesn't have any concept of an
executable setting.

In most cases, this isn't really a problem, just an annoyance.  Users
can always change the permissions of files they own anyway.  And if
they copy something from the FAT partition to the UFS partition, they
own the copy.

mount_msdosfs(8) has a -m option (and -M, so you can still have the
directories executable) to change the observed permissions.  It's an
all-or-nothing solution, but that's probably what you want anyway.
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RE: starting services?

2005-11-17 Thread Steve Bertrand

 I have just installed the Samba3 via the packages in the 
 /stand/sysinstall but am not clear on how to start the 
 daemon.  I have had a lot of experience with Linux but have 
 not learned a lot about FreeBSD yet and am working on it.

If Samba is all config'ed and ready to roll, I recall the startup
command was simply:

# /path/to/installation/smbd -D

...and the name service:

# /path/to/installation/nmbd -D

...to run it in daemon mode.

 Also, I have been watching the threads on some hackers 
 breaking into someone's system through PHP and am wondering 
 about how secure FreeBSD really is compared to various 
 default installs of Linux. Not to start a comparison battle, 
 but I just wanted to try to find out a little more about the 
 basic security of FreeBSD as we are looking to use it in a 
 production service.

That particular thread apparently was dealing with a breach through PHP.
Since the inherent nature of a web server is to provide full access to
everyone, it's an easy target to probe for vulns. IMHO, FreeBSD was not
at fault here (at least not entirely). It really depends on the
particular setup etc, etc ad-infinitum.

I will not comment on Linux at all, because I've only touched it a
couple times, but if you want scalable, reliable, dependable, rock-solid
performance in production, I'd give FBSD a try for certain. No matter
what system you run, unless it has no cables attached and is locked in a
vault, there will always be the potential for a break-in.

Steve


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Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-17 Thread Dinesh Nair



On 11/17/05 20:35 Ted Mittelstaedt said the following:

In the tropics you are flooded with free energy streaming down
on you all day long and your complaining?!?!?  Please, search
Google for the term photovoltaic and be enlightened.


photovoltaic arrays and solar energy panels are not as econiomically viable 
in developing countries as you think it is in your geocentric worldview.


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Re: upgrade to 6

2005-11-17 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Efren Bravo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Where can I find instructions of how upgrade from
 5.4-RELEASE-i386 to 6.0-RELEASE-i386?  
   
 Would be valid
 http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-upgrade-5.3-to-5.4/
 although it doesn't make reference to 6? 

Assuming you want to do a binary upgrade, it looks okay.  
Booting the 6.0 CD and doing an upgrade install should work,
although a few of your configuration files may get overwritten 
without the extra steps in that article.

If you want to do a source upgrade, just follow the directions 
in the Handbook. 
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nullfs [was: Need urgent help regarding security]

2005-11-17 Thread Mark Bucciarelli
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:16:16PM -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
wrote:

 I then create one or more jails that use nullfs to READ ONLY mount
 specific parts of the master hierarchy into the jail.

This is very interesting to me, as I are currently working on a jail
design and nullfs has a number of question marks next to it, mainly due
to the scary man page warning. Here are a few of the questions:

How did you decide it was trustworthy?

Does it result in lower RAM usage? (The program that is run, for
example, Apache, comes from the same spot on the disk across all jails.)

Is it currently maintained? The man page includes a maintainer
solicitation.

Have you had any problems in production?

Have you used it for long?

m

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gnome

2005-11-17 Thread eoghan

Hello
Im wondering if anyone can give me some feedback on using gnome. Ive 
been using KDE since Ive started using freeBSD and it like it. But I 
have recently looked at ubuntus distro, which uses gnome (their version 
I assume) and it was very nice.
So, stuff like font rendering etc. Which is, in your experience, 
prettier so to speak, to use? Applications and so on. The gnome project 
page seems to be lacking version screenshots, or at least I couldnt find 
them.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.
Eoghan
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Re: upgrade to 6

2005-11-17 Thread Derek Ragona
I have done a binary upgrade using the ISO CD and a source upgrade using 
cvsup on a second system.  With the exception of needing to NOT load the 
5.4 nvidia driver until it was rebuilt under 6.0, I had no problems.  Check 
what drivers you load in loader.conf before you try the upgrade.


-Derek


At 07:29 AM 11/17/2005, Efren Bravo wrote:

Hi,

Where can I find instructions of how upgrade from
5.4-RELEASE-i386 to 6.0-RELEASE-i386?

Would be valid
http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-upgrade-5.3-to-5.4/
although it doesn't make reference to 6?

Thanks...

Efren Bravo.



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Re: strange msg lines..

2005-11-17 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 17 Nov Dinesh Nair wrote:
 
 On 11/17/05 06:56 dick hoogendijk said the following:
 These are not normal requests to my apache server. But it seems to
 listen to them. Am I 'in danger?'
 
 apparently, the nameservers responsible for those domains are returning 
 your IP address to a DNS query. all the sites seem to share the same DNS 
 provider, so you could try getting in touch with them.

No way.

foto-porno-amatoriale.com ; puttane-grandi-tette.com ;
video-porno-anale.com ALL resolve to different IP's when checked with
host fotocom etc..

I don't understand why all of a sudden all kind of computers try to
contact these porno sites and do this on my IP.
The dns'es seem to be OK, so this shouldn't happen then..?

And because it's a normal http request it can't be blocked?
Or can I make the apache module mod_security do something like
filtering for me?

Apart for the logfile to grow there is no danger as I understand, but
still, any help would be appreciated. 

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Re: Which firewall?

2005-11-17 Thread Derrick MacPherson

Sasa Stupar wrote:




--On 17. november 2005 18:19 +0800 Dinesh Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:





On 11/17/05 18:15 Sasa Stupar said the following:


Hi!

I am about to set up a router with FBSD 5.4 for SOHO network. There 
will

be no servers running, only inet access for the users but I'd like to



you could try using m0n0wall, http://m0n0.ch/wall/

it's a freebsd 4.11 based system with a nice UI.



Hmmm, this looks interesting. 



very similiar to m0n0wall, just running on freebsd6 and with pf. not 
quite into beta, but will be soon

www.pfsense.org
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Plasmon UDO drive?

2005-11-17 Thread Josh Endries
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Does anyone know if Plasmon USO drives work with FreeBSD? They're
SCSI WORM devices. Are there any other WORM devices that do?

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Re: strange msg lines..

2005-11-17 Thread Niel Dogger

On 17-nov-2005, at 15:51, dick hoogendijk wrote:


On 17 Nov Dinesh Nair wrote:
apparently, the nameservers responsible for those domains are  
returning
your IP address to a DNS query. all the sites seem to share the  
same DNS

provider, so you could try getting in touch with them.


No way.

foto-porno-amatoriale.com ; puttane-grandi-tette.com ;
video-porno-anale.com ALL resolve to different IP's when checked with
host fotocom etc..

I don't understand why all of a sudden all kind of computers try to
contact these porno sites and do this on my IP.
The dns'es seem to be OK, so this shouldn't happen then..?


It looks like referer spam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referer_spam

Referer spam is a kind of search engine-targeted spam. The technique  
involves making repeated web site requests using a fake referer url  
pointing to a spam-advertised site. Sites that publicize their  
referer statistics will then also link to the spammer's site. This  
benefits the spammer because of the free link, and also gives the  
spammer's site improved search engine link placement due to link- 
counting algorithms that search engines use


What you are seeing in your logs:

83.30.48.99 - - [16/Nov/2005:23:44:18 +0100] GET / HTTP/1.1 200  
1860 http://puttane-grandi-tette.com; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE  
6.0b; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.2914)


Is a request for / on your server with http://puttane-grandi- 
tette.com being (claimed as) the referer.

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Re: Which firewall?

2005-11-17 Thread N.J. Thomas
* Sasa Stupar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-17 11:15:14 +0100]:
 I am about to set up a router with FBSD 5.4 for SOHO network. There
 will be no servers running, only inet access for the users but I'd
 like to make traffic limitation for users (download and upload). Which
 firewall of the three one explained in the handbook do you recommend?

pf+altq

Thomas

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Re: gmirror, gvinum or ccd to mirror root-filesystem under 6.0R

2005-11-17 Thread Peter Schuller
 i plan to install 6.0-R in near future and ask myself if i should use
 gmirror, ccd or gvinum (again) for software-raid for mirroring the root
 file-system, as to:
 - reliability, stability issues
 - performance issues
 - minimum installation/configuration effort 
 - advantages / disadvantages of gmirror vs. ccd vs. gvinum
 
 what are the experiences here ?

Personally I currently do not trust vinum at all (any and all of my
edge case tests / simulated hardware failures have turned into
disasters). ccd I haven't tried, but I have set up root-on-gmirror on
at three machines so far.

I am very happy with gmirror; I have only observed two major problems
so far.

Firstly, geom/geom_mirror seems to obtain an exclusive open of the
drive. this makes it a royal pain to update the boot sector of a drive
while the system is booted with geom having claimed the device (and it
doesnt help that boot0cfg does not report the error properly (and the
patch i sent has been ignored so far))

Secondly, on at least one occation, the total failure of a mirror
(rebuild test and the drive being rebuilt FROM had a bad sector)
resulted in a kernel panic. The filesystem was mounted at the time,
so I presume this isn't a problem with geom_mirror per se, but
rather has to do with an attempt to access a destroyed geom or similar.

(This wasn't the root filesystem btw - if it was the root filesystem
then the system has a right to panic :))

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Re: ntpdate

2005-11-17 Thread Bob Johnson
On 11/16/05, dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:15:24 +0200
 Ivailo Tanusheff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Why you need to do this?
  Your system is not fully operationl in the time you try to run
  ntpdate. Just edit your /etc/ntp.conf to connect to some time
  servers. Per example mine is:

 [cut very nice example]

 Thank you. I
 You are probably right. I'll get rid of ntpdate in rc.conf.
 I have two timeservers at the moment. I will look for some more in the
 Netherlands. Yours are to far away ;-)

The easy way to find public NTP servers is to use the public pool,
which gives you a random list of servers each time you do a DNS lookup
on it.  You can ask for the pool for a specific continent or country
(when they exist) as well.  More info about this is at

http://www.pool.ntp.org/use.html

but the short answer is to specify three servers as:

server 0.nl.pool.ntp.org
server 1.nl.pool.ntp.org
server 2.nl.pool.ntp.org

Which will give you three different randomly selected public servers
in the Netherlands (actually it gives you three lists, but ntpd will
use the first one from each list).

Info about availability of participating servers in specific regions
is at http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone

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Re: gnome

2005-11-17 Thread eoghan

P.U.Kruppa wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, eoghan wrote:


Hello
Im wondering if anyone can give me some feedback on using gnome. Ive 
been using KDE since Ive started using freeBSD and it like it. But I 
have recently looked at ubuntus distro, which uses gnome (their 
version I assume) and it was very nice.
So, stuff like font rendering etc. Which is, in your experience, 
prettier so to speak, to use? Applications and so on. The gnome 
project page seems to be lacking version screenshots, or at least I 
couldnt find them.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.
This is a difficult question to answer since it really is a matter of 
taste what kind of look you prefer. And don't forget you can change the 
look and design of your gnome or kde desktop completely to accroding to 
your needs and wishes.


What I really can say - since I am using gnome for everyday's work for 
some years now - Gnome has greatly improved stability, perfomance and 
usability since old times of 2.6 or 2.8 .

2.12 is a fast and reliable working enviroment.

If you can afford the bandwith and the diskspace you should install both 
and compare yourself.


Thanks for the reply. Ive installed gnome, having some problems running 
it and didnt get a chance to tackle it last night, but I will later. I 
guess I was just wondering whether the guys at ubuntu have just done a 
really nice job with gnome, or is this how it looks. The fonts seemed 
smoother and window dragging wasnt jerky at all, even though it was 
running from a cd. But I will compare and see what its like.

Eoghan
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pausing boot process

2005-11-17 Thread J. W. Ballantine

I've started to get an error during the boot process that scrolls off the
screen so rapidly that I don't have a change to read it.

Is there someway to pause the scrolling/process so the error is read-able??

Thanks for any hints.

Jim Ballantine


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Re: pausing boot process

2005-11-17 Thread James Bailie

J. W. Ballantine wrote:

 Is there someway to pause the scrolling/process so the error is
 read-able??

No.  After the system boots, log in as, or su to, root, and
invoke dmesg to view kernel messages.

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RE: pausing boot process

2005-11-17 Thread Steve Bertrand

 I've started to get an error during the boot process that 
 scrolls off the screen so rapidly that I don't have a change 
 to read it.
 
 Is there someway to pause the scrolling/process so the error 
 is read-able??

Well, as opposed to stopping it, if you wait until the login prompt, you
can press the 'Scroll Lock' key on the keyboard and use the arrow keys
to scroll back up to review the entire boot output. Simply press the
scroll lock again to resume operations.

Regards,

Steve

 
 Thanks for any hints.
 
 Jim Ballantine
 
 
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Re: pausing boot process

2005-11-17 Thread eoghan

James Bailie wrote:

J. W. Ballantine wrote:

  Is there someway to pause the scrolling/process so the error is
  read-able??

No.  After the system boots, log in as, or su to, root, and
invoke dmesg to view kernel messages.



Or you can press scroll lock and page up and down.
Eoghan
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Re: high CPU activity for interrupts

2005-11-17 Thread guru
El día Monday, November 14, 2005 a las 05:57:33PM +0100, Roland Smith escribió:

 On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 03:30:38PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Hello,
  
  From time to time I see an increasing temperature of the CPU of
  my laptop and figured out that this has to do with a high load
  of the CPU for 'interrupts' while the system itself is nearly
  unused (only KDE with a few windows are up):
  
  top(1) shows it like this:
  
  CPU states:  0.8% user,  0.0% nice,  0.4% system, 22.9% interrupt,
 76.0% idle
  
  What could I do to figure out what's going on?
 
 Run 'vmstat -i'. That'll show you what is generating the interrupts.

It seems to be this one:

$ vmstat -i
interrupt  total   rate
irq0: clk3007441 99
irq1: atkbd0   35757  1
irq4: sio0 2  0
irq6: fdc010  0
irq7:  1  0
stray irq7 1  0
irq8: rtc3849029127
irq9: acpi0 2184  0
irq11: cbb1 pcm0++* 13344767443
^^^
irq12: psm0   131520  4
irq14: ata0   170184  5
irq15: ata1   77  0
Total   20540973682

What can I do?

matthias
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port ipsec-tools

2005-11-17 Thread Bill Herbert
Hey all, anyone know why the port of ipsec-tools isn't included in the
6.0-release iso? 


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RE: Need urgent help regarding security

2005-11-17 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Wednesday, November 16, 2005 20:29:55 -0500 Steve Bertrand 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





I think we have a serious problem. One of our old server
running FreeBSD 4.9 have been compromised and is now
connected to an ircd server..
195.204.1.132.6667 ESTABLISHED


Ran into this recently. Please post the entire output from:

# top
# w
# last
# ps -aux
# uname -a

Just keep in mind that any or all of these could be hacked versions 
designed to hide everything the attacker is doing.


Once a box has been hacked, you can no longer trust any of the binaries 
unless you can verify their integrity with MD5 sums from the same binaries 
on a known good box.


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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University of Texas at Dallas
AVIEN Founding Member
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Re: pausing boot process

2005-11-17 Thread J. W. Ballantine

Thanks, but I don't get to the boot prompt, it dumps core and then
goes to reboot mode.

--  In Response to your message -

  Date:  Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:28:05 -0500
  To:  'J. W. Ballantine' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
g
  From:  Steve Bertrand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:  RE: pausing boot process

  
   I've started to get an error during the boot process that 
   scrolls off the screen so rapidly that I don't have a change 
   to read it.
   
   Is there someway to pause the scrolling/process so the error 
   is read-able??
  
  Well, as opposed to stopping it, if you wait until the login prompt, you
  can press the 'Scroll Lock' key on the keyboard and use the arrow keys
  to scroll back up to review the entire boot output. Simply press the
  scroll lock again to resume operations.
  
  Regards,
  
  Steve
  
   
   Thanks for any hints.
   
   Jim Ballantine
   
   
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Re: ntpdate

2005-11-17 Thread Andrew P.
On 11/17/05, Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/16/05, dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:15:24 +0200
  Ivailo Tanusheff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Why you need to do this?
   Your system is not fully operationl in the time you try to run
   ntpdate. Just edit your /etc/ntp.conf to connect to some time
   servers. Per example mine is:
 
  [cut very nice example]
 
  Thank you. I
  You are probably right. I'll get rid of ntpdate in rc.conf.
  I have two timeservers at the moment. I will look for some more in the
  Netherlands. Yours are to far away ;-)

 The easy way to find public NTP servers is to use the public pool,
 which gives you a random list of servers each time you do a DNS lookup
 on it.  You can ask for the pool for a specific continent or country
 (when they exist) as well.  More info about this is at

 http://www.pool.ntp.org/use.html

 but the short answer is to specify three servers as:

 server 0.nl.pool.ntp.org
 server 1.nl.pool.ntp.org
 server 2.nl.pool.ntp.org

 Which will give you three different randomly selected public servers
 in the Netherlands (actually it gives you three lists, but ntpd will
 use the first one from each list).

 Info about availability of participating servers in specific regions
 is at http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone

Leading numbers are not necessary in most cases.

I use:

server europe.pool.ntp.org
server europe.pool.ntp.org
server europe.pool.ntp.org

That selects 3 random servers from the whole
europe pool.
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Re: ntpdate

2005-11-17 Thread Chuck Swiger

Andrew P. wrote:

On 11/17/05, Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[ ... ]

Leading numbers are not necessary in most cases.

I use:

server europe.pool.ntp.org
server europe.pool.ntp.org
server europe.pool.ntp.org

That selects 3 random servers from the whole
europe pool.


The point of using the leading numbers is to make sure the three servers chosen 
from the pool are actually different machines.


If you've only got a small number of machines, having each contact an external 
NTP server is reasonable.  If you've got, say, ten or more machines, set up 
three of them to contact external NTP servers and each other as peers, and have 
the rest of the machines on your network talk to your local NTP servers.


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Automount + NFS: frequent hangs new in FreeBSD 6

2005-11-17 Thread Geoffrey Mainland
I'm running an NFS server (5.4) and a client (6) that uses amd to mount
the NFS shares from the server. I've been doing this for quite a while
without any problems (before upgrading the client to 6). However, after
the upgrade high file system load causes amd to hang often--I get a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] not responding message and amd is unresponsive for
a minute or two. Mounting the same NFS shares *without* amd works just
fine with the same usage pattern, so the problem appears to be with amd
itself and is specific to FreeBSD 6. The client is using the BSD
scheduler and has all debug.mpsafe* sysctls set to 1 (the problem still
occurs when these sysctls are set to 0).

Has anyone had similar problems?

Thanks,
Geoff

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Re: gnome

2005-11-17 Thread Dev Tugnait
http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq212.html

On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 14:39 +, eoghan wrote:
 Hello
 Im wondering if anyone can give me some feedback on using gnome. Ive 
 been using KDE since Ive started using freeBSD and it like it. But I 
 have recently looked at ubuntus distro, which uses gnome (their version 
 I assume) and it was very nice.
 So, stuff like font rendering etc. Which is, in your experience, 
 prettier so to speak, to use? Applications and so on. The gnome project 
 page seems to be lacking version screenshots, or at least I couldnt find 
 them.
 Any feedback greatly appreciated.
 Eoghan
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Re: starting services?

2005-11-17 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Thursday, November 17, 2005 09:19:09 -0500 Gerry Freymann 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:45:14 -0500
Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have just installed the Samba3 via the packages in the
/stand/sysinstall but am not clear on how to start the daemon.  I have
had a lot of experience with Linux but have not learned a lot about
FreeBSD yet and am working on it.


 Welcome to FreeBSD. You didn't mention what version you are using, so I
can only speak definitively on v4.

 If you installed via the ports/packages, it should have dropped a start
up script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d (which is where a lot of the start
up/shut down scripts go for various programs).

 You may have something in there called samba.sh.sample. If you copy it or
rename it to samba.sh it will automatically start and stop samba for you
as needed.

Most likely you are going to have to also edit /etc/rc.conf.  Look at the 
script.  If it contains instructions to edit /etc/rc.conf, follow them, or 
you won't be able to start the service.


Usually, a startup script will use rc.subr, and it will require an entry in 
/etc/rc.conf like this;

samba_enable=YES

It may also require an entry for any additional flags that you want to use 
on startup and possibly for the location of the conf file, but all that 
should be noted in the startup script.


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strange msg lines..

2005-11-17 Thread Ian Smith
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 113, Issue 12
  Message: 28
  Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:56:06 +0100
  From: dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I get a lot of these rules in my log file lately. Don't know why they
  are not logged in the error.log file. And if they are harmful or not.
  
  ==--==
  83.30.48.99 - - [16/Nov/2005:23:44:18 +0100] GET / HTTP/1.1 200
  1860 http://puttane-grandi-tette.com; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE
  6.0b; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.2914) 

  85.106.229.37 - - [16/Nov/2005:23:44:24 +0100] GET / HTTP/1.1 200
  1860 http://hosting-siti-adulti.com; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE
  6.0b; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.2914) 

[.. etc ..]

I've seen Dinesh's reply, and your later response, but I've seen batches
of these at various times too, and think it's something other than DNS
(though it did look like maybe a test of a distributed fetch, many IPs)

  These are not normal requests to my apache server. But it seems to
  listen to them. Am I 'in danger?'

No, they're not errors, they're just requests for your home page (GET /) 
which is presumably 1860 bytes .. the Referer (sic) in each case is one
of these apparent porn sites, but could easily be forged - it's unlikely
that the pages at the URLs given do in fact have any link to your site;
more than likely they want you go check out their stuff looking for one! 

So there's no danger involved, unless there are enough of them to DoS
your server.  I tend to deal with such as these by blocking them in
apache|httpd.conf so they just get a 403 access denied response, eg:

 # 1/3/5 multiple browsers, multiple IPs, all the same referrer:
 SetEnvIfNoCase Referer buy-vicodin-online\.us go_away

or in this other case, various different GETs attempting to access
various porn URLs as wannabe proxy requests, all from the one IP:

 # 6/10/5 porn link referers regularly, different browsers ..
 SetEnvIf Remote_Addr 209\.172\.35\.44 go_away

In your case, the browser identification, most likely bogus, is a common
factor in each, and could be blocked with such as: 

BrowserMatch Mozilla/4\.0 \(compatible; MSIE 6\.0b; Windows NT 5\.0; \.NET CLR 
1\.0\.2914\) go_away

or some unique part of that string.  whereas others as above will cycle
through different browser strings - there's usually some common thread
to such bot-made requests.  I only hit on them when they become annoying
(but sometimes I'm easily annoyed :)

Then of course you'd need something along the lines of:

Directory /usr/local/www/data
  [.. other stuff ..]
  # 18Mar02 - allow only this file to otherwise denied bots
  Files robots.txt
order allow,deny
allow from all
  /Files
  order allow,deny
  allow from all
  deny from env=go_away
/Directory

Cheers, Ian

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Re: Monitoring a program

2005-11-17 Thread db
On Thursday 17 November 2005 09:32, you wrote:
 You can take a snapshot of files being used by lsof:
 Port:   lsof-4.76.1.1
 Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/lsof
 Info:   Lists information about open files (similar to fstat(1))
 Maint:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 B-deps:
 R-deps:
 WWW:http://people.freebsd.org/~abe/

 Hope this will help you :)

Well, the build fails, but thanks (I will notify the maintainer) :-)

br
db
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Re: Monitoring a program

2005-11-17 Thread db
On Thursday 17 November 2005 09:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 with 'lsof' you can see the actual situation; with 'truss' you
 may investigate in detail all sys calls (like opening files)

Thanks, I also found /devel/strace which looks good :-)

br
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Re: Ntp Runs 2 Processes

2005-11-17 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 08:58:02AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 Dev Tugnait [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Upong booting my machine i noticed ntp running 2 processes.
  
  root 456  0.0  0.1  2952  1396  ??  Ss4:30AM
  0:00.50 /usr/sbin/ntpd -c /etc/ntp.conf -p /var/run/
  root 803  0.0  0.1  2952  1404  ??  S 4:31AM
  0:00.01 /usr/sbin/ntpd -c /etc/ntp.conf -p /var/run/
  
  rc.conf info
  ntpd_enable=YES
  ntpd_flags=-c /etc/ntp.conf -p /var/run/ntpd.pid
  ntpdate_enable=YES
  ntpdate_flags=ntp2.usno.navy.mil
 
 I'd guess that something else is being configured to start ntp as well...

When ntp starts it spawns a child to help with syncing. Check the
parent-child relationships on the processes. The child process will
terminate after ntp makes up its mind which timeserver to sync
against.

Cheers.
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Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:18 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:14 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Free BSD Questions list
Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems



Ted

It would be nice if you could at least get your facts straight

(continued below)

On Nov 15, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:




On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


A lot of people wondered how Steve Jobs could dare change over to
Intel
chips.
In Steve Jobs keynote speech announcing the big move Intel chips
was
just about entirely stated as because of the 'performance per  
watt
ratio' of Intel CPUs. Check out the picture of the key note  
speech

and
look at the bottom of the picture with Intel and IBM's PowerPC
processor.
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/2005/WWDC/
perfperwatt.jpg



This is a bunch of whitewashing as anyone in the tech industry
knows.


Wrong.  WHat jobs said was exactly correct


Jobs changed over to Intel for two reasons.  First, because Intel
gave
him a better price on the CPU's.


This is also a consideration.  Price always is/

However, the main reason was that the performance they needed at  
the

wattage they needed (for laptops) was not on the horizon for PPC.
The G5 can compete against the Intel desktop offerings but there  
was
not a laptop G5 coming any time soon [because of energy  
dissipation)

and the G4 for laptops was not cutting it.



Rubbish.  They could simply use Intel for laptops until IBM got it
together.
Or signed a letter of intent which would prod IBM.  There is nothing
inherent
in the design of the G5 that makes it so that you cannot make low
power
and low heat versions of it.


Ted.  Apple did play some games to try and prod IBM.   And your
assertion that they could use Intel for laptops until IBM got its act
together is hysterical.  Glad you aren't running Apple or any other
real company.  You want them to commit to a much more expensive 2-
architecture strategy indefinitely?


Why not, every major name brand computer manufacturer produces systems
that are either AMD or Intel CPUs.


Ted, are you really this dumb or do you just play it in the list.   
AMD and Intel are the same architecture -- the x86 architecture.  And  
the 64 bit extension is just an extension of that same x86.  2  
different physical CPU families but the same architecture.  NO  
comparison.   There is no major vendor shipping desktop and laptop  
computers in more than one architecture of the long haul




You can compile Darwin - I mean MacOS
X


Darwin != Mac OS X.  Darwin is the underlying kernel and supporting  
layers but it is not Mac OS X.  There is a lot more to Mac OS X.  And  
you, you obviously can compile Mac OS X for both as Apple has been  
doing that for several years.  And they will continue to do that.   
But over the long term it is a much more expensive proposition and  
Apple is a company whose job it is to pull a profit and they try to  
minimize theor expenses just like everyone else.


for Intel just as easy as for Power PC.  And besides, they are  
going to

be
doing it anyway - or do you really think Apple is going to turn  
it's back

on
all it's Power PC installed base?


Aha!  So forced obsolescence isn't an Apple motive like you earlier  
claimed as Apple will be supporting both for a while and NOT turning  
their backs on the installed base.  Which is it Ted, forced  
obsolescence or not?



Right now nobody knows if the public
will go for the Intel-based Macs.  Apple is claiming the public  
will but

they
really don't know.  If the public balks and stops buying Macs  
except for

powerPC based ones, Apple will certainly not stop production on the
PowerPC stuff.
Don't forget the Apple Lisa and what happened to it.

How long have you been running FreeBSD?


Sine 1996


And you still are so ignorant of
porting UNIX to other platforms?


No, I am not. I am fully aware that unix like and UNIX runs on  
multiple platforms.  It is also a major undertaking.  x86 is still  
the only real stable version of FreeBSD with the x64 version coming  
along to join it -- a very related architecture btw.



  UNIX was designed to be ported to
many different architectures.  For that matter the crackers have  
already

broken the weak security and run MacOS X 86 on standard PC hardware:

http://www.osx86.theplaceforitall.com/howto/


The above is irrelevant to the discussion.  Apple made the x86  
version of OS X. Not some hacker group.  The hackers only got the pre- 
release dev version to run on HW that lacked the Apple security  
chip.  Big deal. It in no way supports any arguments you have made.




If I was running Apple I would have opened the specs ages ago.  Apple
did so and for a while people made Apple clones, then Apple got  
greedy.
Or more specifically, Jobs got greedy.  Since he was the one that  

Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:




In real world use my 256MB G4-400 MacOS X 10.4.3 Powerbook is faster
than my 512MB 2GHz WinXP Pro box at work.


But - Chad said that the G4 is a no-go?  That the G5 was an absolute
requirement
for laptop use?  Yet your saying that a G4 for a laptop is perfectly
acceptable?
Then why again ais Apple moving to Intel chips to get laptops?  :-)


Current G4 chips work fine in laptops and allow people to get their  
work done.  Some people need more.


But G4s are not competitive with the Intel competition and into the  
future would be even less competitive.


Long term Apple needed a new solution. They chose what they feel (and  
probably is) the best solution.


Personally I would rather have had AMD but the current AMD laptop  
solution (and laptops were Apple's biggest concerns IMHO) is not as  
strong and Intel is seen as a stronger partner.  It is all irrelevant  
anyway as AMD and Intel are the same architecture anyway and so Apple  
could easily move to AMD or to a mix without SW issues.


Chad

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Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



The plan is to come out with new gear every few years so as to extract
money from
the customer base.  As I already said in my first post, lots of people
are like you -
perfectly happy NOT buying the latest Apple product.  Apple wants  
money

from them -
so Apple has to shake things up.


Those same people will continue to use their older Apple HW.  No need  
for them to be shook up.  You make claims but have nothing more than  
your opinion to support it.  Logic doesn't even support it.


Chad

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Re: nullfs [was: Need urgent help regarding security]

2005-11-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 17, 2005, at 7:36 AM, Mark Bucciarelli wrote:


On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:16:16PM -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
wrote:


I then create one or more jails that use nullfs to READ ONLY mount
specific parts of the master hierarchy into the jail.


This is very interesting to me, as I are currently working on a jail
design and nullfs has a number of question marks next to it, mainly  
due

to the scary man page warning. Here are a few of the questions:

How did you decide it was trustworthy?


I did a few tests and read some archived posts from others using it.   
I was previously using a localhost nfs mount but wanted to eliminate  
nfs from the mix due to another issue I was having.




Does it result in lower RAM usage? (The program that is run, for
example, Apache, comes from the same spot on the disk across all  
jails.)


Don't know.  Never did any tests.



Is it currently maintained? The man page includes a maintainer
solicitation.


Don't know.  However, archived posts lead me to believe that bugs  
have been fixed etc recently and the man page may be out of date.




Have you had any problems in production?


Not that I know of.  Seems to be running fine with over 40 jails on  
the machine.  Most are READ ONLY but I do have one jail with a RW / 
usr so it can install ports etc.  I have a /usr/public I install  
ports into for all jails to use.




Have you used it for long?



A few months.  Previously I was happily doing the same thing with the  
localhost nfs mount.


best
Chad



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Re: gnome

2005-11-17 Thread P.U.Kruppa

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, eoghan wrote:


P.U.Kruppa wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, eoghan wrote:


Hello
Im wondering if anyone can give me some feedback on using gnome. Ive been 
using KDE since Ive started using freeBSD and it like it. But I have 
recently looked at ubuntus distro, which uses gnome (their version I 
assume) and it was very nice.
So, stuff like font rendering etc. Which is, in your experience, prettier 
so to speak, to use? Applications and so on. The gnome project page seems 
to be lacking version screenshots, or at least I couldnt find them.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.
This is a difficult question to answer since it really is a matter of taste 
what kind of look you prefer. And don't forget you can change the look and 
design of your gnome or kde desktop completely to accroding to your needs 
and wishes.


What I really can say - since I am using gnome for everyday's work for some 
years now - Gnome has greatly improved stability, perfomance and usability 
since old times of 2.6 or 2.8 .

2.12 is a fast and reliable working enviroment.

If you can afford the bandwith and the diskspace you should install both 
and compare yourself.


Thanks for the reply. Ive installed gnome, having some problems running it 
and didnt get a chance to tackle it last night, but I will later. I guess I 
was just wondering whether the guys at ubuntu have just done a really nice 
job with gnome, or is this how it looks. The fonts seemed smoother and 
window dragging wasnt jerky at all, even though it was running from a cd. But 
I will compare and see what its like.

Eoghan

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Re: upgrade to 6 -build kernel error

2005-11-17 Thread Efren Bravo
Hi,

I upgraded from 5.4-RELEASE-i386 to
6.0-RELEASE-i386 and everything went well but
when I tried to rebuild the kernel, I get these
errors:

# pwd
/usr/src/sys/i386/conf
# config MYKERNEL
../../conf/files: coda/coda_fbsd.c must be
optional, mandatory or standard
# cd ../compile/MYKERNEL
# make depend
make: don't know how to make depend. Stop

What is happening? I tried with original GENERIC
but I get the same errors

Thanks...

Efren Bravo.



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Wireless but no WPA

2005-11-17 Thread gustaaf wijnands

Hello!

For over two years I have been enjoying the sweet fruits of Freebsd. 
Now, I ran into a problem. I am trying to set up a wireless connection 
from my notebook to my ap. Unencrypted it works well. It just doesn't 
work with WPA-PSK. I searched al over the www, but ran out of options 
what went wrong.

Well, can anybody help me out? Thanks!

Gustaaf

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ifconfig -a
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
ath0: flags=8802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
ether 00:0f:cb:f9:20:2f
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
status: no carrier
ssid  channel 1
authmode OPEN privacy OFF txpowmax 100 protmode CTS

[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# /etc/rc.d/netif start
ifconfig: WPA: bad value
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
ath0: flags=8802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
ether 00:0f:cb:f9:20:2f
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
status: no carrier
ssid  channel 1
authmode OPEN privacy OFF txpowmax 100 protmode CTS


[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# wpa_supplicant -i ath0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -d
Initializing interface 'ath0' conf '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' driver 
'default'

Configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' - '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
Reading configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
ctrl_interface='/var/run/wpa_supplicant'
ctrl_interface_group=0 (from group name 'wheel')
Priority group 0
id=0 ssid='MySSID'
Initializing interface (2) 'ath0'
Own MAC address: 00:0f:cb:f9:20:2f
wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa: enabled=1
wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa_internal: wpa=3 privacy=1
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=0
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=1
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=2
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3
wpa_driver_bsd_set_countermeasures: enabled=0
wpa_driver_bsd_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=1
Setting scan request: 0 sec 10 usec
Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID)
Received 0 bytes of scan results (2 BSSes)
Scan results: 2
Selecting BSS from priority group 0
0: 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc ssid='MySSID' wpa_ie_len=24 rsn_ie_len=0
selected
Trying to associate with 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc (SSID='MySSID' freq=2462 MHz)
Cancelling scan request
Automatic auth_alg selection: 0x1
WPA: using IEEE 802.11i/D3.0
WPA: Selected cipher suites: group 8 pairwise 8 key_mgmt 2
WPA: using GTK TKIP
WPA: using PTK TKIP
WPA: using KEY_MGMT WPA-PSK
WPA: Own WPA IE - hexdump(len=24): dd 16 00 50 f2 01 01 00 00 50 f2 02 
01 00 00 50 f2 02 01 00 00 50 f2 02

No keys have been configured - skip key clearing
wpa_driver_bsd_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=1
wpa_driver_bsd_associate: ssid 'MySSID' wpa ie len 24 pairwise 2 group 2 
key mgmt 1

wpa_driver_bsd_associate: set PRIVACY 1
Setting authentication timeout: 5 sec 0 usec
Association event - clear replay counter
Associated to a new BSS: BSSID=00:04:e2:e5:90:fc
No keys have been configured - skip key clearing
Associated with 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc
Setting authentication timeout: 10 sec 0 usec
RX EAPOL from 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc
Setting authentication timeout: 10 sec 0 usec
IEEE 802.1X RX: version=1 type=3 length=95
EAPOL-Key type=254
WPA: RX message 1 of 4-Way Handshake from 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc (ver=1)
WPA: Renewed SNonce - hexdump(len=32): e9 76 b3 aa 0e 23 b9 74 0d 3a e2 
5c bb d1 03 c2 7a fd 11 35 44 d3 3f 4a 7b 2c f0 e4 e2 45 2f 48

WPA: PMK - hexdump(len=32): [REMOVED]
WPA: PTK - hexdump(len=64): [REMOVED]
WPA: EAPOL-Key MIC - hexdump(len=16): 0e e1 47 c3 fa c3 32 f5 50 cd 2b 
c0 2f 7d 4f 44

WPA: Sending EAPOL-Key 2/4
RX EAPOL from 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc
IEEE 802.1X RX: version=1 type=3 length=119
EAPOL-Key type=254
WPA: RX message 3 of 4-Way Handshake from 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc (ver=1)
WPA: IE KeyData - hexdump(len=24): dd 16 00 50 f2 01 01 00 00 50 f2 02 
01 00 00 50 f2 02 01 00 00 50 f2 02

WPA: Sending EAPOL-Key 4/4
WPA: Installing PTK to the driver.
WPA: RSC - hexdump(len=6): 00 00 00 00 00 00
wpa_driver_bsd_set_key: alg=TKIP addr=00:04:e2:e5:90:fc key_idx=0 
set_tx=1 seq_len=6 key_len=32

RX EAPOL from 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc
IEEE 802.1X RX: version=1 type=3 length=127
EAPOL-Key type=254
WPA: RX message 1 of Group Key Handshake from 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc (ver=1)
WPA: Group Key - hexdump(len=32): [REMOVED]
WPA: Installing GTK to the driver (keyidx=2 tx=0).
WPA: RSC - hexdump(len=6): 00 00 00 00 00 00
wpa_driver_bsd_set_key: alg=TKIP addr=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff key_idx=2 
set_tx=0 seq_len=6 key_len=32

WPA: Sending EAPOL-Key 2/2
WPA: Key negotiation completed with 00:04:e2:e5:90:fc [PTK=TKIP GTK=TKIP]
Cancelling authentication timeout
^CSignal 2 received - terminating
wpa_driver_bsd_deauthenticate
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=0
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=1
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=2
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: keyidx=3
wpa_driver_bsd_del_key: addr=00:04:e2:e5:90:fc keyidx=0
ioctl[SIOCS80211, op 20, len 7]: Can't assign requested address
wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa: enabled=0
wpa_driver_bsd_set_wpa_internal: wpa=0 privacy=0
wpa_driver_bsd_set_drop_unencrypted: enabled=0

SAS vs SCSI ...

2005-11-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier


is there anything special on the operating system side needed to support 
SAS drives, or is it purely a controller issue?



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EM64T supported?

2005-11-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier


First off, what is it?  On 32bit platforms, to address 4G of RAM, I 
recall that there is some sort of 'paging' that has to be done to address 
it ... does EM64T get around that somehow, or is this just another name 
for it?



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Re: gnome

2005-11-17 Thread eoghan

On 17 Nov 2005, at 19:46, P.U.Kruppa wrote:


On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, eoghan wrote:


P.U.Kruppa wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, eoghan wrote:

Hello
Im wondering if anyone can give me some feedback on using gnome.  
Ive been using KDE since Ive started using freeBSD and it like  
it. But I have recently looked at ubuntus distro, which uses  
gnome (their version I assume) and it was very nice.
So, stuff like font rendering etc. Which is, in your experience,  
prettier so to speak, to use? Applications and so on. The gnome  
project page seems to be lacking version screenshots, or at  
least I couldnt find them.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.
This is a difficult question to answer since it really is a  
matter of taste what kind of look you prefer. And don't forget  
you can change the look and design of your gnome or kde desktop  
completely to accroding to your needs and wishes.
What I really can say - since I am using gnome for everyday's  
work for some years now - Gnome has greatly improved stability,  
perfomance and usability since old times of 2.6 or 2.8 .

2.12 is a fast and reliable working enviroment.
If you can afford the bandwith and the diskspace you should  
install both and compare yourself.


Thanks for the reply. Ive installed gnome, having some problems  
running it and didnt get a chance to tackle it last night, but I  
will later. I guess I was just wondering whether the guys at  
ubuntu have just done a really nice job with gnome, or is this how  
it looks. The fonts seemed smoother and window dragging wasnt  
jerky at all, even though it was running from a cd. But I will  
compare and see what its like.

Eoghan

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People are very helpful there.

Regards,

Uli.


Thanks to all,
Eoghan

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Re: EM64T supported?

2005-11-17 Thread Kövesdán Gábor
EM64T is Intel's 64-bit processor architecture. It uses 64 bit registers 
so it gets around the 4GB limit. It is very similar to AMD64 
architecture and fully supported via the amd64 port. If You have an 
EM64T machine use the amd64 version of FreeBSD.


Cheers,

Gabor Kovesdan

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

First off, what is it?  On 32bit platforms, to address 4G of RAM, I 
recall that there is some sort of 'paging' that has to be done to 
address it ... does EM64T get around that somehow, or is this just 
another name for it?


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ppp.linkup but for cable?

2005-11-17 Thread J.D. Bronson
I am looking for a way to monitor a cable NIC in the freebsd box so 
that if the cable line fails, I can get an email *like in ppp.linkdown*


Is there such a thing?




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Re: strange msg lines..

2005-11-17 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 05:01:49 +1100 (EST)
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 Cheers, Ian

Thank you for your information. I will incorporate most of your
suggestions asap. There's no danger, so I will wait till the
weekend. :-)

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Re: upgrade to 6 -build kernel error

2005-11-17 Thread Dan O'Connor

I upgraded from 5.4-RELEASE-i386 to
6.0-RELEASE-i386 and everything went well but
when I tried to rebuild the kernel, I get these
errors:

# pwd
/usr/src/sys/i386/conf
# config MYKERNEL
../../conf/files: coda/coda_fbsd.c must be
optional, mandatory or standard
# cd ../compile/MYKERNEL
# make depend
make: don't know how to make depend. Stop

What is happening? I tried with original GENERIC
but I get the same errors


Try:

# cd /usr/src
# make kernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL

~Dan

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Re: EM64T supported?

2005-11-17 Thread Chuck Swiger

Marc G. Fournier wrote:
First off, what is it?  On 32bit platforms, to address 4G of RAM, I 
recall that there is some sort of 'paging' that has to be done to 
address it ... does EM64T get around that somehow, or is this just 
another name for it?


EM64T uses 64-bit wide registers and addressing, and can talk to 4GB of RAM 
natively.  Older processors may still support 4GB of physical RAM using the 
PSE/PSE-36 CPU extensions, but are still using 32-bit registers.


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Windows Compatibility?

2005-11-17 Thread Augusto Montenegro
I am looking into changing my Windows Operating system toFreeBSD or Linux.
  Most of my programs run in Windows. Can I use FreeBSD as my OS to run my 
programs?
  
  Thank you.
  Augusto
  


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Re: Windows Compatibility?

2005-11-17 Thread Cornelis Swanepoel
 Most of my programs run in Windows. Can I use FreeBSD as my OS to run my
 programs?



That depends entirely on what the programs are that you're actually running,
if it's a web browser, an email client and an Office productivity suite
you'll be able to find the equivalent(actually better) of the microsoft
offerings on FreeBSD.
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[summary] Apple intel transition (was: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems)

2005-11-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:



On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



The plan is to come out with new gear every few years so as to  
extract

money from
the customer base.  As I already said in my first post, lots of  
people

are like you -
perfectly happy NOT buying the latest Apple product.  Apple wants  
money

from them -
so Apple has to shake things up.


Those same people will continue to use their older Apple HW.  No  
need for them to be shook up.  You make claims but have nothing  
more than your opinion to support it.  Logic doesn't even support it.


This is pretty much the gist of it:

Ted maintains that the or a major reason for Apple to switch to Intel  
was to force an extra HW upgrade cycle amongst Mac users to generate  
more revenue than they would otherwise have gotten by maintaining the  
PPC as their architecture for OS X / Macintosh.  He used the word  
greed to describe this.


This ignores the fact that Apple is doing everything they possibly  
can, at great expense, to make sure that the PPC Macs are fully  
supported and usable after the transition.  Very few people will  
upgrade their Macs sooner due to this transition and so most upgrades  
will happen on the normal HW upgrade cycle that an particular Mac  
user follows.  Hence there is no short term economic benefit to this  
transition as no extra HW cycle will in general take place.There  
may be long term economic benefits from this decision based on  
component costs, RD costs, etc. but Ted's greed argument falls  
flat on its face.


There will of course be some upgrades to Intel platform by typical  
power-user/early adopter/tech weenie type people who are interested  
in the technology itself, but not enough to set any sort of macro  
trend or to have a meaningful padding of the Apple bottom line.  The  
same kind of people are probably buying the Quad G5 now (I know I  
want one :-) ).


Chad
most of whose Macs are built from parts from eBay and parts shops and  
PC parts [total 3 Macs in the last 3 years -- personal and business  
owned], though he does have 3 original purchased Macs from Apple  
since 1998 [all business owned], 1 of which has been passed on to  
others.  Also has built numerous x86 architecture based (mostly AMD  
chips) FreeBSD boxes and one Solaris 10 box.




Chad

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Re: EM64T supported?

2005-11-17 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Nov 17), Chuck Swiger said:
 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 First off, what is it?  On 32bit platforms, to address 4G of RAM, I
 recall that there is some sort of 'paging' that has to be done to
 address it ... does EM64T get around that somehow, or is this just
 another name for it?
 
 EM64T uses 64-bit wide registers and addressing, and can talk to 4GB
 of RAM natively.  Older processors may still support 4GB of physical
 RAM using the PSE/PSE-36 CPU extensions, but are still using 32-bit
 registers.

PAE/PAE36, right?  Note that if you enable PAE, some drivers may not be
available.  See the PAE kernel config file for a list.

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Re: EM64T supported?

2005-11-17 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 17, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote:


Marc G. Fournier wrote:
First off, what is it?  On 32bit platforms, to address 4G of RAM,  
I recall that there is some sort of 'paging' that has to be done  
to address it ... does EM64T get around that somehow, or is this  
just another name for it?


EM64T uses 64-bit wide registers and addressing, and can talk to  
4GB of RAM natively.  Older processors may still support 4GB of  
physical RAM using the PSE/PSE-36 CPU extensions, but are still  
using 32-bit registers.


To clarify:

However, if running the x86 version (not amd64) of FreeBSD, EM64T and  
AMD Opteron and Athlon64 chips must use the same PSE type extensions  
to access  4GB of RAM  if I understand correctly


Chad



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RE: Chad Ted

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

I can't help it, he followed me from the planet Ziest.

Ted

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Subject: Chad  Ted


That is the world according to Ted Mittelstaedt.

Stick to answering technical posts Ted.  You are good at that.  Lay  
of the conspiracy crap that your fevered mind makes up.

Chad

Have you two ever met ? If so, who won ???

   Deej
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Re: upgrade to 6 -build kernel error

2005-11-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 07:57:59PM +0100, Efren Bravo wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I upgraded from 5.4-RELEASE-i386 to
 6.0-RELEASE-i386 and everything went well but
 when I tried to rebuild the kernel, I get these
 errors:
 
 # pwd
 /usr/src/sys/i386/conf
 # config MYKERNEL
 ../../conf/files: coda/coda_fbsd.c must be
 optional, mandatory or standard
 # cd ../compile/MYKERNEL
 # make depend
 make: don't know how to make depend. Stop
 
 What is happening? I tried with original GENERIC
 but I get the same errors
 
 Thanks...

You're not following the documented upgrade procedure (see the
Handbook).  This is *VERY IMPORTANT* when upgrading between different
releases of FreeBSD.  If you don't follow that path precisely you can
be left with an unbootable system or worse.

Kris



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RE: [PATCH] Re: FreeBSD 6.0 on Sony Laptop

2005-11-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Can you submit this via send-pr?

Otherwise it's unlikely that it will get committed.

Ted

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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:37 AM
To: Peter Clutton; Derek Tracy; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: [PATCH] Re: FreeBSD 6.0 on Sony Laptop



Following up on myself; the patch below (relative to 5.4-RELEASE) makes
my vaio VGN-S5M/S recognise the SATA controller for what it is.

Before:

atapci1: GENERIC ATA controller port 
0x18a0-0x18af,0x1894-0x1897,0x18b0-0x18b7,0x18b8-0x18bb,0x18c0-0
x18c7 irq 18 at device 31.2 on pci0
ad4: 76319MB FUJITSU MHV2080BH/0025 [155061/16/63] at 
ata2-master UDMA33

After:

atapci1: Intel ICH6-M SATA150 controller port 
0x18a0-0x18af,0x1894-0x1897,0x18b0-0x18b7,0x18b8-0x18bb,0x18c0-0
x18c7 irq 18 at device 31.2 on pci0
ad4: 76319MB FUJITSU MHV2080BH/0025 [155061/16/63] at 
ata2-master SATA150

Patch:

diff -u sys/dev/ata.orig/ata-chipset.c sys/dev/ata/ata-chipset.c
--- sys/dev/ata.orig/ata-chipset.c  Wed Mar 23 06:14:11 2005
+++ sys/dev/ata/ata-chipset.c   Tue Nov 15 21:39:17 2005
@@ -838,6 +838,7 @@
  { ATA_I82801FB,   0, 0, 0x00, ATA_UDMA5, Intel ICH6 },
  { ATA_I82801FB_S1,0, 0, 0x00, ATA_SA150, Intel ICH6 },
  { ATA_I82801FB_R1,0, 0, 0x00, ATA_SA150, Intel ICH6 },
+ { ATA_I82801FBM,  0, 0, 0x00, ATA_SA150, Intel ICH6-M },
  { 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0}};
 char buffer[64];

diff -u sys/dev/ata.orig/ata-pci.h sys/dev/ata/ata-pci.h
--- sys/dev/ata.orig/ata-pci.h  Wed Mar 23 06:14:11 2005
+++ sys/dev/ata/ata-pci.h   Tue Nov 15 21:41:07 2005
@@ -127,6 +127,7 @@
 #define ATA_I82801FB  0x266f8086
 #define ATA_I82801FB_S1   0x26518086
 #define ATA_I82801FB_R1   0x26528086
+#define ATA_I82801FBM 0x26538086

 #define ATA_ITE_ID0x1283
 #define ATA_IT8212F   0x82121283

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Re: MailScanner / SMTP Auth

2005-11-17 Thread Martin Hepworth
Hi

looks like you found it then...

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 I checked the archive but didn't found the thread. Which target words
 should I ckeck in the archive?

 Am Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 07:45:15PM + Martin Hepworth schrieb:
  Martin
  there's been a thread on this in the MailScanner email list over the
 last
  couple of days - check it out...
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Re: Windows Compatibility?

2005-11-17 Thread Eric Schuele

Cornelis Swanepoel wrote:

 Most of my programs run in Windows. Can I use FreeBSD as my OS to run my


programs?





That depends entirely on what the programs are that you're actually running,
if it's a web browser, an email client and an Office productivity suite
you'll be able to find the equivalent(actually better) of the microsoft
offerings on FreeBSD.


True enough.  *Most* things have equivalents in the *BSD world.

However, if you have some special needs there are windows and/or PC 
emulators.  WINE and qemu are the two I hear about most.  I have used 
qemu very successfully to run the one MS app I can not get rid of 
CheckPoint SecuRemote for VPN connectivity to my office.



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Re: if_bridge interface confuses Windows Small Business Server 2000

2005-11-17 Thread Eric F Crist

On Nov 15, 2005, at 10:52 PM, Erik Osterholm wrote:


On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 08:43:18AM -0500, Steve Bertrand wrote:



FreeBSD 6 came at the perfect time for me.  I've just
switched my primary desktop from Win2k to FreeBSD, and I put
the Windows boot disk in an old machine that was heading for the  
skip.


I wanted to access the W2k machine (fred) over VNC without
flooding our switch, so I thought let's take advantage of the
new features in REL 6...  I added a second ethernet card to
my FreeBSD box (alfie) and configured a bridge in /etc/rc.conf:


Don't worry about flooding the switch with VNC.  I use it very well  
over a 33.6 modem from my mac to a win2k3 server.

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Re: EM64T supported?

2005-11-17 Thread Chuck Swiger

Dan Nelson wrote:

In the last episode (Nov 17), Chuck Swiger said:

EM64T uses 64-bit wide registers and addressing, and can talk to 4GB
of RAM natively.  Older processors may still support 4GB of physical
RAM using the PSE/PSE-36 CPU extensions, but are still using 32-bit
registers.


PAE/PAE36, right?  Note that if you enable PAE, some drivers may not be
available.  See the PAE kernel config file for a list.


PAE is related, but I don't believe PAE36 exists; cpuid lists these:

PSEPage Size Extensions
PAEPhysical Address Extension
PSE-36 36-bit Page Size Extension

I believe PSE lets you choose whether your MMU uses a 4KB or a 4MB pagesize for 
virtual address translation.  PAE was the first attempt at supporting more than 
4GB of address space, but I gather it requires doing bank swapping or something 
fairly awkward that doesn't play too well with VM, whereas PSE-36 integrates 
more easily.


The other point you've made is correct, that is, a fair number of drivers don't 
understand PAE/PSE36 yet, and will not work using it-- generally because the 
hardware associated with the driver has a DMA engine which is limited to 32-bit 
addressing.  You end up having to double-buffer or use DMA bounce buffers, 
whatever phrase you wish to use.  :-)


This link seems to have a more complete description:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae_os.mspx

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Re: switching terminals

2005-11-17 Thread Eric F Crist

Try watch.


On Nov 17, 2005, at 3:36 AM, Atis wrote:



Is the following possible?

I log into a computer, and by executing ps see that
there's some program xx reading and writing to/from a
terminal called /dev/ttyp3.

The controlling terminal for my current processes, however,
is /dev/ttyp2.

Now, can I make the program xx change its terminal so
that it starts writing to /dev/ttyp2 and its output
magically appears in front of me?


Atis
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