Re: Help Recovering FBSD 8 ZFS System

[Drew Tomlinson]

On 1/2/2012 2:37 PM, Daniel Staal wrote:
--As of January 2, 2012 2:14:55 PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson is alleged to 
have said:


Thanks.  I'll keep that in mind.  However in this case, the 
controller is

a SATA that's integrated into the motherboard.  Since two of 4 are
working, that would mean the controller is OK, right?  I guess I could
swap SATA cables for a test.


--As for the rest, it is mine.

Actually, typically one controller only runs two drives, IIRC.  So you 
could have one bad controller out of two.  If swapping cables helps, 
you may want to try getting a SATA card or something similar.  (If 
swapping cables means you can see the other two drives, a SATA card 
should mean you'll get all your data back.)


Thanks for that.  Tore into it today.  The unseen drive is dead.  
Doesn't even spin up and thus, the data and OS is gone.


But on the bright side, this is a perfect opportunity to install 9.0 RC3.

Thanks,

Drew

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Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?

[Drew Tomlinson]

On 1/4/2012 8:01 PM, R Skinner wrote:

On 01/05/12 13:23, Drew Tomlinson wrote:
I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso 
 
and burned the image to CD.  However the CD does not boot.  Just 
wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable.


Also, is there a DVD version?  I don't have many CDs around my house 
but plenty of DVDs.  :)

Hi Drew, and welcome to FreeBSD.

How did you 'burn' the disc? As an iso image (in Windows) you can open 
any burning program and tell it to burn it as is; you don't need to 
extract any contents. This is the usual problem if it won't boot.


I used the Windows image burning tool on the one that didn't work.  
However I tried on another PC that had Nero Burning ROM.  That one 
worked.  Now I just wish the boot disk had an apparent way to enable ssh 
so I could install from another PC while browsing the web.


[snip]

Thanks,

Drew

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Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?

[Amitabh Kant]

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Drew Tomlinson wrote:

> I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.**iso  **FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/**ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-**
> RC3-amd64-disc1.iso>
> and burned the image to CD.  However the CD does not boot.  Just wanted to
> confirm that it is supposed to be bootable.
>
> Also, is there a DVD version?  I don't have many CDs around my house but
> plenty of DVDs.  :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>  ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-**RC3-amd64-disc1.iso>
>
>
>

Yes, it's bootable. I did install a test install couple of days ago using
amd64 arch.


Amitabh
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Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?

[R Skinner]

On 01/05/12 13:23, Drew Tomlinson wrote:
I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso 
 
and burned the image to CD.  However the CD does not boot.  Just 
wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable.


Also, is there a DVD version?  I don't have many CDs around my house 
but plenty of DVDs.  :)

Hi Drew, and welcome to FreeBSD.

How did you 'burn' the disc? As an iso image (in Windows) you can open 
any burning program and tell it to burn it as is; you don't need to 
extract any contents. This is the usual problem if it won't boot.


Alternatively, you can try making an installer on a usb disk. I'd 
recommend at least a 2Gb stick, preferably 4G. See: 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-pre.html 
section 3.3.5.


HTH
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Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?

[Chris]

Can't speak for the 64 bit but the I386 does.

As for  a DVD, look for that at the release.

Chris
Sent from my HTC.

- Reply message -
From: "Drew Tomlinson" 
Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 9:23 pm
Subject: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?
To: "FreeBSD Questions" 

I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso 

 and burned the image to CD.  However the CD does not boot.  Just wanted to 
confirm that it is supposed to be bootable.

Also, is there a DVD version?  I don't have many CDs around my house but plenty 
of DVDs.  :)

Thanks,

Drew

 

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FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?

[Drew Tomlinson]

I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso 
 
and burned the image to CD.  However the CD does not boot.  Just wanted 
to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable.


Also, is there a DVD version?  I don't have many CDs around my house but 
plenty of DVDs.  :)


Thanks,

Drew
 



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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Da Rock]

On 01/05/12 08:39, Jerry wrote:
I have noticed that somehow you have managed to piss off at least two 
other posters in the past 48 hours. In every case, you claim to have 
been basically misunderstood. I wonder, could a pattern be emerging?
And you, Jerry, have successfully managed to piss off a poster every day 
for the past week. Would you care to pull it out and measure now? Or are 
you going lose the antagonistic attitude?

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Da Rock]

On 01/05/12 08:25, Michael Ross wrote:

Am 04.01.2012, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Mario Lobo :


On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote:
Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and 
OT fest,


How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet

http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif
--
Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam)


Yes! humor.

I think "open-sore" is really cute, intelligent and funny.



http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990206


:D




More so than
"winblows" or "micro$hit".

Even with nicknames we get better results!.

I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too.

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Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?

[Da Rock]

On 01/05/12 07:01, Peter Harrison wrote:

On 4 Jan 2012, at 01:08, Da Rock wrote:


On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote:


On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote:


On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote:


On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote:


On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000
Da Rock articulated:


On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote:


Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8)  essentially accomplish what the OP is 
requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1:


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html

or the man page for ndiscvt:

  http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt


While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an 
end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer 
does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing 
such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in 
FreeBSD form?

Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :)

At

  http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB

almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found that 
a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps immensely in 
enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to find a compatible 
card than to write a compatible driver.

Indeed :)

I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own 
experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- the 
firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at the 
time :)

I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as users 
or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs from the 
device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to assume that 
because you don't need something, another person's desire for it is 
illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware 
vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users 
requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore to be 
ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about 
that injustice directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with 
the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, 
that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor.

No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can be 
misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical than 
sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card than flog 
a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or financial 
reasons more than logical.

Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS helps 
immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and I believe 
Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be applauded ten 
fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the idea when I was 
still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) Luigi (and his 
colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate the more challenging 
aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had to do with my comments 
or not, I don't know).

Da Rock,

I've been using ndis drivers successfully with a Broadcom chip in my Lenovo 
s10-e since I bought it some years ago - to the extent that I've not yet 
switched over to the native drivers now available.

I didn't find using ndisgen too problematic. Just a case of finding the right 
driver files and following the manpage. I'd strongly recommend trying it in 
preference to a usb stick (been there, done that) or buying new hardware - 
although I'd agree that depending on the model changing a mini-PCI card isn't 
necessarily that difficult (I changed it t an Intel card in my other Dell 
laptop some time ago - remember to attach the internal aerial cable!).

Make no mistake I'm not being facetious. How did you do it?

The biggest problem I had was that there are multiple firmware for 
different scenarios that are loaded. One for base station mode, one for 
adhoc, and one more I think... They got in the way of using it correctly.

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Da Rock]

On 01/05/12 06:47, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote:

Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest,

How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet

http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif


LOL
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Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 10:36:58PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote:
> 
> it does look like the card is accessible via that panel on the
> underside. In which case it is probably quicker and more certain to
> work to swap cards than to get the Realtek working with ndis, with
> very little cost - which was my original suggestion to the OP.

I agree, so long as Toshiba does not do hardware whitelisting with that
model.  If it does, I suspect just getting a compatible card from another
Toshiba would probably work; if not, there may possibly be a software
tool (probably on a bootable CD image) that can be used to deactivate the
hardware whitelisting somewhere out there on the Internet, as there is
for ThinkPads.

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Jerry]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:47:44 -0700
Chad Perrin articulated:

> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:16:15PM -0500, Jerry wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated:
> > > 
> > > Why the heck did you ask for it, then?
> > 
> > Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26
> > -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like
> > "Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass
> > who likes making trouble," rather than "Down with the
> > bourgeoisie!"  I just figured I'd help clarify.
> > 
> > At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one
> > set of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or
> > condoned those statements, something I think you might finally be
> > starting to comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life
> > on it.
> 
> This is the problem.  You say you never said I condoned such
> statements, but for some utterly incomprehensible reason you decided
> to ask me to explain my (nonexistent) justification for them.
> 
> What you said distinctly implied that you believed I condoned them,
> for exactly that reason, whether you *meant* to imply such a thing or
> not.  I wonder if *you* are going to start to comprehend *that*.

OK Chad, this is my last post on this thread. I fully expect you to
respond; however, I don't care. I am not replying to it. I am through
feeding your psychosis.

I fully explained why I asked you a simple question. Somehow you
fail to grasp it. If you honestly do not condone it then all you had to
say was something like, "I neither condone, support nor use such
phases." That would have been the end of it. Instead, at every single
turn, you have attempted to make it look like it was a personal attack
on you. I never said you made such statements; although I fully believe
you do support them although you would probably not publicly
acknowledge it. I had seriously though about doing a search of all your
posts for the last 5 years or so and seeing if I could find proof of
it. However, since I can not profit from it I decided against investing 
the time. In any case, you would probably claim that you were misquoted
or some such thing.

I have noticed that somehow you have managed to piss off at least two
other posters in the past 48 hours. In every case, you claim to have
been basically misunderstood. I wonder, could a pattern be emerging?

By the way, no asterisk was injured in the creation of this document.

{THIS SPACE RESERVED FOR CHAD AND HIS RANTINGS -- I'M OUT OF HERE}
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Re: Browser

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:54:46PM +, Peter Harrison wrote:
> On 4 Jan 2012, at 21:26, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > 
> > Did you mean to say "The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . ." or did
> > you mean it is, as you wrote it here?
> 
> Perils of typing too fast.
> 
> Yes, I meant "the keybinding is /not/ quite as good"

Thanks for clarifying.  I thought that was the case, but did not want to
make unwarranted assumptions.

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Re: Browser

[Gary Kline]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +, Peter Harrison wrote:
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:35 +
> From: Peter Harrison 
> Subject: Re: Browser
> To: Chad Perrin 
> Cc: questi...@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1)
> 
> 
> On 4 Jan 2012, at 16:54, Chad Perrin wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
> >> version 8.2?
> >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)
> > 
> > There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and
> > probably quite a few more answers than that.
> > 
> > For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like
> > Surf.
> > 
> > For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions
> > such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook).
> > 
> > For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and
> > stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the
> > open source project behind Google Chrome).
> > 
> > For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting
> > alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather
> > than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for
> > Firefox offers some of the same benefits).
> > 
> > For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used
> > (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session
> > to use it), there's w3m.
> > 
> > Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which
> > looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very
> > soon.
> > 
> > There are others as well.  Others have already mentioned Epiphany,
> > Midori, and Opera.  Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based
> > browsers.  In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey.
> > Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock
> > has a small but dedicated following.  Conkeror, despite the similarity of
> > its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a
> > Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a
> > less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides).  I
> > think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported
> > to other OSes such as FreeBSD.
> > 
> > I don't have a favorite.  All browsers I have encountered disappoint me
> > in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving
> > it a try).  Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are
> > browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which
> > gets its own mention basically because it looks promising.  For the
> > negatives:
> > 
> > Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of
> > custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need.
> > I have not tried yet.
> > 
> > Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and
> > its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that
> > keep me using it at all: the extensions.
> > 
> > Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead.
> > 
> > Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences,
> > and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc.  I like some of the
> > principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think
> > it is as well executed as it should have been.
> > 
> > w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than
> > convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw.
> > It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though.
> > Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the
> > major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance).
> > 
> > xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a
> > new custom software installation project this week.  Beyond that, I don't
> > know what I may or may not dislike about it.
> 
> Chad,
> 
> xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and although 
> I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff that's not in 
> ports.
> 
> I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast lean 
> browser with good (vi-like) keybindings.
> 
> Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it around 
> for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule is gradually 
> turning me off.
> 
> First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is quite 
> as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, and it 
> seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides.
> 
> 

i hope this isn't too far offtopic, but here's the
situation: i need a tts reader to read

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Michael Ross]

Am 04.01.2012, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Mario Lobo :


On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote:
Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT  
fest,


How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet

http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif
--
Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam)


Yes! humor.

I think "open-sore" is really cute, intelligent and funny.



http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990206




More so than
"winblows" or "micro$hit".

Even with nicknames we get better results!.

I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too.

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Re: Browser

[RW]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:56:38 -0500
ill...@gmail.com wrote:


> If you have a few hours, lots of RAM, & you'd like to stress-
> test your system:
> cd /usr/ports/www/chromium && make install


Unless things have changed radically that sounds like a bit of an
exaggeration. Until about 9 months ago I was building it on a 7 year
old single core athlon in 1.5GB with the work-directory on tmpfs. It
was still perfectly usable as a desktop.

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Robert Bonomi]

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Wed Jan  4 11:39:20 2012
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:34:52 -0500
> From: Jerry 
> To: FreeBSD 
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
>
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700
> Chad Perrin articulated:
>
> > You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in
> > favor of trivialities.  If you prefer, pretend he said:
> > 
> > HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..."
> > 
> > The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your
> > momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation.
>
> In any case, he is probably back under his bridge now anyway. 

Oh my.  Ad hominems, again. The next-to-last resort of those who _know_
they have no rational argument to present.


> Both of you
> have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the simple fact
> that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to you.

FALSE TO FACT.

You did, in fact, attribute such a belief to Chad.

>  In all
> of your accumulated bullshit you have failed to show one instance where
> I did make such a claim. 

Your choice of language _expressly_ *DID* include the implication that
Chad believed what you were 'asking' him to explain.

_YOU_ cannot provide the information 'requested' by:
  "Can you please explain why the moon is made of green cheese?"
unless you -believe- the moon *IS* made of green cheese.

>
> Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. I know decent
> people that I have disagreements with, I don't need a faceless one. 

Available evidence indicates otherwise -- given the extent to which you
go out of your way to antagonize and pick fights with them.

One could reasonably conclude over-compensation for a massive inferiority
complex -- trying to make yourself 'feel big' by belittling others.
>  
> Do you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless name
> on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me? Have you ever
> heard of "narcissistic personality disorder" aka "NPD"? Get over
> yourself -- nobody is that important.

You're projecting, again, Jerry.

> Chad, I don't want you "GOING POSTAL(1)", so if it makes you feel
> better, I will feed your psychosis. Whatever you think I said, I said.
> Now have a nice cup of warm milk and relax before you hurt yourself.
> End of problem and end of discussion.

Oooh! A _textbook_ 'masked inferiority' attack.


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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Mario Lobo]

On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote:
> Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest,
> 
> How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif
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Yes! humor.

I think "open-sore" is really cute, intelligent and funny. More so than 
"winblows" or "micro$hit".

Even with nicknames we get better results!.

I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too.

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Re: Browser

[Peter Harrison]

On 4 Jan 2012, at 21:26, Chad Perrin wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +, Peter Harrison wrote:
>> 
>> Chad,
>> 
>> xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and
>> although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install
>> stuff that's not in ports.
> 
> Thanks for correcting that.  I did not find it last time I looked, though
> I may have relied on a nonstandard ports tree search tool that sometimes
> (unexpectedly) fails to update its search database.  It's good to hear
> xxxterm is available in ports.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast
>> lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings.
> 
> I'm playing with it now.  I find I need to rebind a lot of functionality
> to make it feel really vi-like, and some of the bindings I would like to
> use are not possible with the keybinding configuration capabilities of
> xxxterm as they are currently implemented.  The maintainer has invited me
> to submit a patch; whether I do so will definitely depend on how much
> time I have to figure it all out.  In the meantime, I'm checking to see
> how well I can get by using it as my primary browser for a while.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it
>> around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule
>> is gradually turning me off.
> 
> I don't blame you.
> 
> 
>> 
>> First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is
>> quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able
>> with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration
>> downsides.
>> 
> 
> I find the keybindings of Uzbl and Pentadactyl better than those of
> xxxterm so far; I stopped using Vimperator in favor of Pentadactyl a
> while back, so I'm probably not qualified to comment on its current
> state.
> 
> Did you mean to say "The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . ." or did
> you mean it is, as you wrote it here?

Chad,

Perils of typing too fast.

Yes, I meant "the keybinding is /not/ quite as good"



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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:16:15PM -0500, Jerry wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated:
> > 
> > Why the heck did you ask for it, then?
> 
> Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26
> -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like
> "Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass
> who likes making trouble," rather than "Down with the bourgeoisie!"  I
> just figured I'd help clarify.
> 
> At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one set
> of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or condoned
> those statements, something I think you might finally be starting to
> comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life on it.

This is the problem.  You say you never said I condoned such statements,
but for some utterly incomprehensible reason you decided to ask me to
explain my (nonexistent) justification for them.

What you said distinctly implied that you believed I condoned them, for
exactly that reason, whether you *meant* to imply such a thing or not.  I
wonder if *you* are going to start to comprehend *that*.

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Re: Browser

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +, Peter Harrison wrote:
> 
> Chad,
> 
> xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and
> although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install
> stuff that's not in ports.

Thanks for correcting that.  I did not find it last time I looked, though
I may have relied on a nonstandard ports tree search tool that sometimes
(unexpectedly) fails to update its search database.  It's good to hear
xxxterm is available in ports.


> 
> I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast
> lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings.

I'm playing with it now.  I find I need to rebind a lot of functionality
to make it feel really vi-like, and some of the bindings I would like to
use are not possible with the keybinding configuration capabilities of
xxxterm as they are currently implemented.  The maintainer has invited me
to submit a patch; whether I do so will definitely depend on how much
time I have to figure it all out.  In the meantime, I'm checking to see
how well I can get by using it as my primary browser for a while.


> 
> Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it
> around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule
> is gradually turning me off.

I don't blame you.


> 
> First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is
> quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able
> with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration
> downsides.
> 

I find the keybindings of Uzbl and Pentadactyl better than those of
xxxterm so far; I stopped using Vimperator in favor of Pentadactyl a
while back, so I'm probably not qualified to comment on its current
state.

Did you mean to say "The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . ." or did
you mean it is, as you wrote it here?

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Jerry]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700
Chad Perrin articulated:

> > Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think.
> 
> Why the heck did you ask for it, then?

Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26
-0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like
"Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass
who likes making trouble," rather than "Down with the bourgeoisie!"  I
just figured I'd help clarify.

At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one set
of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or condoned
those statements, something I think you might finally be starting to
comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life on it.

There, unlike you I have answered your question without attempting to
throw up smoke screens and dodge the issue. As I stated in my last
post, I no-longer have any interest in what you have to say since
attempting to get a straight answer out of you is a gross waste of
time. Poly, a poster with whom I rarely agree, is always straight
forward with his replies and doesn't try to wiggle out of anything. I
have tremendous respect for him; not necessarily his beliefs, but
his honesty and integrity. "Honesty" in that I believe he sincerely
believes what he is saying, and integrity in that he is not, or
apparently not, a member of the "Sour Grapes Posse". You, on the other
hand, are apparently a charter member of the posse and without a doubt
a weasel.
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:47:52PM -0800, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote:

> Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest,

Note that there are more than one persons using the name Jerry.
Where I might dip in to an argument a bit, especially if I see
humor in it, I never flame people or use such extravagant language
in public posts.

I also never sell arms to the little people.

jerry
   

> 
> How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif
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End of: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Al Plant]

Lyubomir Grigorov wrote:

Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest,

How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet

http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif
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Well said Lyubomir,

How true.

The graphic just keeps on going and no one wins.

Aloha,

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Robert Bonomi]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:17:55AM -0500, Jerry wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated:
> >
> > He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_
> > morally correct..."HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS*
> > morally correct..."
> 
> 
> Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why ..."
> 
> 
> You consider that a demand?

Coupled with the verb 'is' -- which you "conveniently" failed to quote,
and the overall argumentative and confrontational tone of the rest of
your posting, the answer that any 'reasonable man' would give is "Yes".
>
> I am not bashful, as you may have noticed. I simple asked him to
> explain why such behavior would be morally acceptable.o

You are a liar.  You have now *twice* materially mis-represennted an
deliberately distorted what you said.  There is a MADERIAAL DIFFERENCE
between "would be", and "is".  Especially so, in the manner and context
in which you used the words.

>At that point he
> made the accusation that I had attributed such statements, directly or
> indirectly to him. I neither did, nor is there any evidence to support
> the claim that I had.

You lie, again.

Your psuedo-"request" that he explain "why it _IS_ morally acceptable"
*DOES* carry the implicationi/connotation that _you_ believe that the
person addressed (Chad) does hold the belief in question.  You stand
convicted by your own use of language of attributing succh to Chad.`

>   Both of you choose to conveniently sidestep that
> simple fact.

You lie, yet a third time.  

I *directly* addrerssed _WHERE_ and _HOW_ you =did= attribute such
beliefs to Chad.



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Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?

[Peter Harrison]

On 4 Jan 2012, at 01:08, Da Rock wrote:

> On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote:
>> 
>>> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
 
 
 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote:
 
> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000
>> Da Rock articulated:
>> 
>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote:
 
 
 Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8)  essentially accomplish what the OP 
 is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1:
 

 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html
 
 or the man page for ndiscvt:
 
  http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt
 
 
 While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an 
 end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose 
 manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing 
 issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or 
 made downloadable in FreeBSD form?
>> 
>>> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :)
>> 
>> At
>> 
>>  
>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB
>> 
>> almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found 
>> that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps 
>> immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to 
>> find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver.
> Indeed :)
> 
> I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own 
> experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- 
> the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at 
> the time :)
>> I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as 
>> users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs 
>> from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to 
>> assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for it 
>> is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that 
>> hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that 
>> users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore 
>> to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can 
>> do about that injustice directly, however it is within their power to 
>> mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to 
>> enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to 
>> reforming the vendor.
> No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can be 
> misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical than 
> sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card than 
> flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or 
> financial reasons more than logical.
> 
> Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS 
> helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and I 
> believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be 
> applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the 
> idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) 
> Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate the 
> more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had to do 
> with my comments or not, I don't know).

Da Rock,

I've been using ndis drivers successfully with a Broadcom chip in my Lenovo 
s10-e since I bought it some years ago - to the extent that I've not yet 
switched over to the native drivers now available.

I didn't find using ndisgen too problematic. Just a case of finding the right 
driver files and following the manpage. I'd strongly recommend trying it in 
preference to a usb stick (been there, done that) or buying new hardware - 
although I'd agree that depending on the model changing a mini-PCI card isn't 
necessarily that difficult (I changed it t an Intel card in my other Dell 
laptop some time ago - remember to attach the internal aerial cable!).

Regards,




Peter Harrison.


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Re: Browser

[Peter Harrison]

On 4 Jan 2012, at 16:54, Chad Perrin wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote:
>> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
>> version 8.2?
>> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)
> 
> There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and
> probably quite a few more answers than that.
> 
> For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like
> Surf.
> 
> For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions
> such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook).
> 
> For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and
> stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the
> open source project behind Google Chrome).
> 
> For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting
> alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather
> than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for
> Firefox offers some of the same benefits).
> 
> For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used
> (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session
> to use it), there's w3m.
> 
> Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which
> looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very
> soon.
> 
> There are others as well.  Others have already mentioned Epiphany,
> Midori, and Opera.  Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based
> browsers.  In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey.
> Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock
> has a small but dedicated following.  Conkeror, despite the similarity of
> its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a
> Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a
> less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides).  I
> think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported
> to other OSes such as FreeBSD.
> 
> I don't have a favorite.  All browsers I have encountered disappoint me
> in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving
> it a try).  Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are
> browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which
> gets its own mention basically because it looks promising.  For the
> negatives:
> 
> Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of
> custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need.
> I have not tried yet.
> 
> Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and
> its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that
> keep me using it at all: the extensions.
> 
> Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead.
> 
> Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences,
> and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc.  I like some of the
> principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think
> it is as well executed as it should have been.
> 
> w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than
> convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw.
> It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though.
> Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the
> major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance).
> 
> xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a
> new custom software installation project this week.  Beyond that, I don't
> know what I may or may not dislike about it.

Chad,

xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and although I 
can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff that's not in 
ports.

I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast lean 
browser with good (vi-like) keybindings.

Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it around for 
some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule is gradually 
turning me off.

First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is quite 
as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, and it seems 
to have fewer performance or configuration downsides.



Peter Harrison.


> 
> the stuff in the paragraph listing a bunch of browsers - I like all of
> these less than any of the browsers I mentioned before this paragraph,
> for a variety of reasons.
> 
> I hope that helps, in conjunction with the advice others provide.
> 
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Lyubomir Grigorov]

Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest,

How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet

http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif
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Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?

[Jeffrey McFadden]

Thanks, all.  I found a manual online.
Jeff

><>><>><>><>><>><>><>
<><<><<><<><<><<><<><

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Da Rock <
freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote:

> On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote:
>>
>>  On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
>>>


 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote:

  On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000
>> Da Rock articulated:
>>
>>  On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote:
>>>
>>

 Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8)  essentially accomplish what the
 OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/**
 config-network-setup.html

 or the man page for ndiscvt:

  
 http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8&topic=**ndiscvt


 While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of
 an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose
 manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing
 issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or
 made downloadable in FreeBSD form?

>>>
>>  Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :)
>>>
>>
>> At
>>
>>  http://sourceforge.net/apps/**mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.**
>> php?title=Category:USB
>>
>> almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have
>> found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps
>> immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to
>> find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver.
>>
> Indeed :)
>
> I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own
> experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory-
> the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at
> the time :)
>
>  I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as
>> users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs
>> from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to
>> assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for
>> it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice
>> that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean
>> that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and
>> therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders
>> and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their
>> power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another
>> user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time)
>> contribute to reforming the vendor.
>>
> No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can
> be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical
> than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card
> than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or
> financial reasons more than logical.
>
> Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS
> helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and
> I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be
> applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the
> idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :)
> Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate
> the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had
> to do with my comments or not, I don't know).
>
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:34:52PM -0500, Jerry wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated:
> >
> > You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in
> > favor of trivialities.  If you prefer, pretend he said:
> > 
> > HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..."
> > 
> > The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your
> > momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation.
> 
> Both of you have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the
> simple fact that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to
> you.

I'll make this very, very simple for you:

Why the heck would you have asked *me* of all people to explain why one
is supposedly "morally correct" and the other is not?


I did not say that was the case, and gave no indication I thought it was
the case, so your strange action of asking *me* to justify that position
-- especially when it seems there are much more appropriate targets for
such a question in this discussion, according to your own words -- seems
entirely out of place, pointless, meaningless, and misguided, *unless*
you for some reason think *I* feel that distinction is justified.

I'm going to ignore the rest of your obfuscations, and just focus on that
for now.


> 
> Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think.

Why the heck did you ask for it, then?


>
> Do you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless
> name on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me?

Why do you waste time asking people whose opinions you do not care to
know what they think of something -- especially when the person has never
even stated that he or she even believes that "something" (the moral
distinction between anti-Microsoft statements and anti-FreeBSD
statements) exists?


>
> Have you ever heard of "narcissistic personality disorder" aka "NPD"?
> Get over yourself -- nobody is that important.

I can only assume you have not read what you, yourself, wrote.  You asked
me a question.  Please explain why, if not because you wanted my answer.

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:02:23PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
> 
> Confuse and annoy people?  Oh boy, confuse and annoy mature
> people is not so easy.  Flame wars?  I am not an adolescent, I
> have real problems in my life.  Don't be stupid.

On that ironic note, I will cease trying to have any meaningful
discussion with you right now.  As pointed out by a bystander, this
off-topicness has gone on long enough, and my most friendly overtures
have been met only with flames in any case.

Have a nice day.

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Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?

[Chris Whitehouse]

On 04/01/2012 16:21, Chad Perrin wrote:

As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally,


You don't by any chance know where there is a service manual for OP's 
laptop in pdf format (or html)? I did a bit of googling but didn't find 
it. It's a Toshiba U505-S2950. Or maybe you could advise how to replace 
the wireless card in this particular machine...


cheers

Chris
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Re: Browser

[Warren Block]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Chad Perrin wrote:


On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote:

Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
version 8.2?
Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)


There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and
probably quite a few more answers than that.

For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like
Surf.

For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions
such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook).

For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and
stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the
open source project behind Google Chrome).

There are others as well.  Others have already mentioned Epiphany,
Midori, and Opera.  Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based
browsers.


www/links also has a graphic mode (-g) which can be quite useful.
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Re: Browser

[ill...@gmail.com]

On 4 January 2012 07:59, Julian H. Stacey  wrote:
> Hi,
> Reference:
>> From:         Daniel Lewis 
>> Date:         Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500
>> Message-id:   
>> 
>
> Daniel Lewis wrote:
>> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
>> version 8.2?
>> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)
>
> su
> cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install
>
> This fetches then builds from source code
>
> Or to install binaries
>        man pkg_add
>

If you have a few hours, lots of RAM, & you'd like to stress-
test your system:
cd /usr/ports/www/chromium && make install

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Jerry]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700
Chad Perrin articulated:

> You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in
> favor of trivialities.  If you prefer, pretend he said:
> 
> HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..."
> 
> The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your
> momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation.

Robert's tirade is improvisatory and I pay no attention to it. In
any case, he is probably back under his bridge now anyway. Both of you
have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the simple fact
that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to you. In all
of your accumulated bullshit you have failed to show one instance where
I did make such a claim. Your attempts to muddy up the waters fails to
prove anything other than your desperate attempt to justify your
unproven statement. Seriously, this reminds me of a lesson all lawyers
are taught: "A lawyer's primer: If you don't have the law, you argue the
facts; if you don't have the facts, you argue the law; if you have
neither the facts nor the law, then you argue the Constitution".

Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. I know decent
people that I have disagreements with, I don't need a faceless one. Do
you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless name
on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me? Have you ever
heard of "narcissistic personality disorder" aka "NPD"? Get over
yourself -- nobody is that important.

Chad, I don't want you "GOING POSTAL(1)", so if it makes you feel
better, I will feed your psychosis. Whatever you think I said, I said.
Now have a nice cup of warm milk and relax before you hurt yourself.
End of problem and end of discussion.

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Alejandro Imass]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Walter Alejandro Iglesias
 wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:50:45AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
>> > > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012:
>> > > > >

Come on people, it may be entertaining, but this thread is
ridiculously OT. Take it up privately or edit subject to OT please.

And before anyone flips out and flames this I am referring to all the
OT stuff, not just the last few posts.

Keep the topic on FBSD and anything else please place OT or privately
to keep the archives useful and also to respect everyone's choice to
follow-up, or not, on the soap opera!

Thanks,

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8.2 on Sparc system

[Earl Bediant]

Is this a 32-bit Sparc system?  If so, that may be your cause of failure.  
FreeBSD only supports Fujitsu-compatible UltraSparc processors (Sparc64).  
If you are trying on an older (say, 32-bit) Sparc system, it _will_ not_ work_  
due to being unsupported hardware.  Recheck the website about 
supported processors.


Earl Bediant
earlbedi...@yahoo.com

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Walter Alejandro Iglesias]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:50:45AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
> > > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012:
> > > > > 
> > > > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider
> > > > > your audience, and use words accordingly.  If you wish to use a term
> > > > > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that 
> > > > > fact up
> > > > > front.  If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to
> > > > > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments 
> > > > on the
> > > > Internet would evaporate.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for noticing!
> > 
> > Well Chad, you crossed the line.  I don't need any
> > "clarification" to understand this last statement like a poor
> > insult.  Let's do an exercise; you need it:
> 
> Wait -- what?  I responded to someone other than you who commented
> (humorously, I thought) on the fact that the majority of arguments on the
> Internet are about terminology.  How the heck is that an insult to you?
> 
> 
> > 
> > 1) "popularity" "demagogy"  "rights"
> > 2) "lawyer" "demand""rights"
> > 
> > By analogy:
> > 
> > 1) "bicycle""road"  "wheel"
> > 2) "Unix"   "groups""wheel"
> > 
> > See?
> 
> Not really.
> 

The same happened to you with what I said about "rights", you
didn't see the point.  Then based in your misunderstood you
adventured yourself to "teach" me how to expose my thinking.

I will teach you something about life:

1) Never underestimate what others say.
2) Never think you understand at "a frist sight" what others say
an their aim.
3) Never think you have a clear idea about nothing.

The day you reach this point of maturity you will not reach to
false conclusions like the following:

> The only exception that comes immediately to mind is the case where you
> may actually *want* to confuse and annoy people, and spark flame wars on
> the Internet, but it was not my belief anyone was trying to do that in
> this case.
>

Confuse and annoy people?  Oh boy, confuse and annoy mature
people is not so easy.  Flame wars?  I am not an adolescent, I
have real problems in my life.  Don't be stupid.

> It's nice that you can dismiss people as irrelevant or unreachable when
> they try offering information in the spirit of helpfulness and
> correctness so easily.  It must make things easy for you, I guess, though
> in this case I am not really sure how.
> 

Both statements are the conclusion you reach about me and,
believe me, are far of the true.  I can do the same you are
doing and judge you like someone that conscious of it own
mediocrity knows that must play dirty.  To take words, sentences
or meanings out of the context to distort and discredit the
others discourse is the typical trick of this kind of people.
Other conclusion I could reach about you is you are afraid I rob
"your audience", yes this audience that you judge from your
"superior" point of view like susceptible to be confused or
annoyed.  Jealously is other characteristic of people
concious of its own mediocrity.  That's why I put you clear it
is not my interest to reach "your" audience, ergo I am not your
enemy.

But instead of all this shit I preferred first to think that
your misunderstood came from you lack of "association"
capabilities.  I project my honesty in others in the same way
you project your hypocrisy.

The day you reach to understand the three points I told you
above perhaps you will be able to make things easy for yourself.
In the meanwhile, please don't try to correct what you are not
able to understand.  Correct yourself.


> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]



Walter



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Re: Browser

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
> version 8.2?
> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)

There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and
probably quite a few more answers than that.

For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like
Surf.

For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions
such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook).

For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and
stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the
open source project behind Google Chrome).

For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting
alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather
than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for
Firefox offers some of the same benefits).

For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used
(which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session
to use it), there's w3m.

Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which
looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very
soon.

There are others as well.  Others have already mentioned Epiphany,
Midori, and Opera.  Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based
browsers.  In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey.
Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock
has a small but dedicated following.  Conkeror, despite the similarity of
its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a
Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a
less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides).  I
think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported
to other OSes such as FreeBSD.

I don't have a favorite.  All browsers I have encountered disappoint me
in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving
it a try).  Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are
browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which
gets its own mention basically because it looks promising.  For the
negatives:

Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of
custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need.
I have not tried yet.

Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and
its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that
keep me using it at all: the extensions.

Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead.

Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences,
and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc.  I like some of the
principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think
it is as well executed as it should have been.

w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than
convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw.
It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though.
Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the
major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance).

xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a
new custom software installation project this week.  Beyond that, I don't
know what I may or may not dislike about it.

the stuff in the paragraph listing a bunch of browsers - I like all of
these less than any of the browsers I mentioned before this paragraph,
for a variety of reasons.

I hope that helps, in conjunction with the advice others provide.

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Re: pf not seeing inbound packets on netgraph interface

[Michael Sierchio]

man 4 enc

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Edward Carrel  wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:12 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
>
>> Thinking -pf@ or -net@ would be a better place to discuss this, more chances 
>> of getting an answer.
>
> I was wondering about that. I'll send my question to -net@ to start. Thanks.
>
>> Out of curiosity why not use a gif interface ?
>> I had that working just fine with racoon and was able to actually firewall 
>> traffic on it with PF, iirc.
>
> From what I understand of gif interfaces, they are useful when IPSec is 
> handling the tunnel pretty much end-to-end, and just needs a passthrough 
> interface to direct traffic to and from. If I am wrong about this, please let 
> me know.
>
> The reason why I'm using netgraph instead is because the LNS is not run by 
> me, and there is no other way of connecting to the other end but via 
> L2TP/IPSec.
>
> If there is a way to use L2TP, and leverage a gif interface to complete the 
> loop on my end, I'd be interested to hear about it.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 01:29:41PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote:
> On 04/01/2012 00:57, Jeffrey McFadden wrote:
> >
> >um, well, yeah, but it's a laptop.  :/  And I bought it before FreeBSD ever
> >crossed my mind.
> 
> Replacing the Realtek with a supported wireless card may be as easy
> as undoing a plate on the bottom of the machine, unclipping the old
> one and clipping in the new one. They are pretty cheap to buy on
> ebay.
> 
> Your wireless card is probably mini pci-e:
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=mini+pci-e+wireless+card&_sacat=See-All-Categories
> 
> An older style is mini pci. 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiniPCI_and_MiniPCI_Express_cards.jpg
> 
> It may require removing the keyboard which is a bit harder but quite
> doable. Generally you get into a laptop by carefully levering off
> the cover at the back of the keyboard. A service manual is a big
> help and can often be found with some googling.

As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally,
I figure I should point out that the claim that "generally you get into a
laptop by carefully levering off the cover at the back of the keyboard"
is not strictly accurate in my experience.  This is certainly true of
certain models, but the reality is much more complex when you are not
specifying a particular model or even a particular brand.  ThinkPads, for
instance, are not prone to this design, and the first thing one does when
disassembling (most?) modern ThinkPads (after turning them off and
removing the battery, of course) is turn them over to remove screws.

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RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun

[Miller, Leonard]

Ok, I got it.  I did a reinstall and everything appears to be running well.  I 
think it may have been the fact that there was no boot-file defined, but I'm 
not sure.  Now I just need to figure out how to get a window manager running.

Thanks,
Leonard


-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Miller, Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:40 AM
To: James Edwards; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun

Thanks for responding.

Auto-boot is set to true and the boot device is set to disk.  When it boots, 
this is displayed:

FreeBSD/Sparc64 boot block
boot path: /pci@8,60/SUNW/glc@4/fp@0,0/disk@w2104cf2fa3a3,0:a
boot loader: /boot/loader
file /boot/loader not found
Program terminated

Printenv shows boot-device is set to disk.

Thanks,
Leonard

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From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of James Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:09 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun

On Tue, January 3, 2012 15:33, Miller, Leonard wrote:
> Hi,
> I have tried installing 8.2 Sparc on a Sun system multiple times, using
> different options, and each time I do, it takes me back to the initial
> options screen, where I have to exit the install, forcing it to halt.  I
> am never prompted to install a boot manager or anything else.  I always
> get through the install process, installing packages, adding users,
> network settings, etc.
>

Your install experience sounds normal and successful.  When you are
finished and exit the installer, it should take you to the openboot
prompt.  All you *should* need to do is type in 'boot', the system will
reboot and boot to disk.

You don't need to worry about a boot manager as multibooting isn't
supported on this platform.

> When I power cycle the machine and change the boot settings back to
> defaults, it fails to boot.
>

If it fails to boot, I'm assuming it is stopping at the OpenBoot prompt? 
Can you elaborate further?

What happens when you type 'boot disk' at the openboot prompt?  If it
boots, auto-boot may not be set correctly, which can be rectified by
'setenv auto-boot? true' at the openboot prompt.

If that does not work, what is the output of 'printenv' - specifically
what is 'boot-device' set to?

Also, some further reading on installing FreeBSD on sparc64:
http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Sparc_-_Installing_FreeBSD
-and for more detail-
http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Installation_on_Ultra_5

Hope this helps,
James


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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:17:55AM -0500, Jerry wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated:
> >
> > He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_
> > morally correct..."HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS*
> > morally correct..."
> 
> 
> Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why ..."
> 
> 
> You consider that a demand?

You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in favor
of trivialities.  If you prefer, pretend he said:

HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..."

The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your
momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation.

>
> I am not bashful, as you may have noticed. I simple asked him to
> explain why such behavior would be morally acceptable. At that point he
> made the accusation that I had attributed such statements, directly or
> indirectly to him. I neither did, nor is there any evidence to support
> the claim that I had. Both of you choose to conveniently sidestep that
> simple fact. Although to his credit, he did explain his feelings on the
> matter.

Saying it doesn't make it so -- and nobody sidestepped it.  That was the
very point of what Robert Bonomi said.  It is, in fact, you who
sidestepped his point.


> 
> Now, if I asked you to explain the moral justification for the
> Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, would I be
> accusing you of actually having written it? You don't think things
> through do you?

No -- you'd just be interjecting a gigantic non-sequitur.  Context
matters, and in this case the context suggested your question to me was
meant to imply that I somehow believed that one thing was morally correct
and another was not.  After all, there is no reasonable damned purpose to
asking *me* why one thing is morally correct and another is not if you do
not believe, or mean to imply, that I *believe* the one thing is morally
correct and the other is not.

The point, as it should be illustrated in your analogy, is that your
question about the Thirteenth Amendment would not imply Robert Bonomi
*wrote* it; rather, it would imply that he *agrees* with its moral
justification.

If I had to guess, of course, I would think he believes it is morally
justified, but that's a wild-ass speculation, and not enough to induce me
to expect *him* of all people to justify it.

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
> > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012:
> > > > 
> > > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider
> > > > your audience, and use words accordingly.  If you wish to use a term
> > > > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact 
> > > > up
> > > > front.  If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to
> > > > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on 
> > > the
> > > Internet would evaporate.
> > 
> > Thanks for noticing!
> 
> Well Chad, you crossed the line.  I don't need any
> "clarification" to understand this last statement like a poor
> insult.  Let's do an exercise; you need it:

Wait -- what?  I responded to someone other than you who commented
(humorously, I thought) on the fact that the majority of arguments on the
Internet are about terminology.  How the heck is that an insult to you?


> 
> 1) "popularity"   "demagogy"  "rights"
> 2) "lawyer"   "demand""rights"
> 
> By analogy:
> 
> 1) "bicycle"  "road"  "wheel"
> 2) "Unix" "groups""wheel"
> 
> See?

Not really.


> 
> In that first paragraph where I mention "rights" in
> a "popular" context, I am exactly denoting the bad use people do
> of the word "rights".  You killed the messenger. 

I didn't kill the messenger.  I tried pointing out a misuse of terms in
the hope it would help people be clearer when talking to each other.
This was not an attempt to belittle anyone.  Beyond that, I don't know
what the heck your problem might be.


> 
> Talking about an "audience" is beyond my goal.  I expect just a
> human being on the other side; not necessary too much cleaver or
> cultivated just not having a MS Word Spelling Checker by brain
> is enough.   So, I will not waste my time in quoting, sub
> quoting and meta quoting myself with "this is a metaphor; this
> is a sarcasm; this is a hyperbole; this is a joke" to the
> infinite; I made this in the past with people like you and I
> know that it is a waste of time.

Whenever one tries to make a point, one's audience (to a significant
degree) *is* the point.  That is, the person or people you are trying to
influence, inform, or engage with whatever you are saying must be
important, or you probably would not be trying to influence, inform, or
sway that "audience".  It is thus a good idea to keep that audience in
mind when choosing one's words, especially where clarity is intended.
The only exception that comes immediately to mind is the case where you
may actually *want* to confuse and annoy people, and spark flame wars on
the Internet, but it was not my belief anyone was trying to do that in
this case.

It's nice that you can dismiss people as irrelevant or unreachable when
they try offering information in the spirit of helpfulness and
correctness so easily.  It must make things easy for you, I guess, though
in this case I am not really sure how.


> 
> Anyway, thanks for your teachings.

Given the fact you have declared what I said an insult for some reason, I
suspect this is sarcastic -- but you're welcome anyway.

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RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun

[Miller, Leonard]

Thanks for responding.

Auto-boot is set to true and the boot device is set to disk.  When it boots, 
this is displayed:

FreeBSD/Sparc64 boot block
boot path: /pci@8,60/SUNW/glc@4/fp@0,0/disk@w2104cf2fa3a3,0:a
boot loader: /boot/loader
file /boot/loader not found
Program terminated

Printenv shows boot-device is set to disk.

Thanks,
Leonard

-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of James Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:09 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun

On Tue, January 3, 2012 15:33, Miller, Leonard wrote:
> Hi,
> I have tried installing 8.2 Sparc on a Sun system multiple times, using
> different options, and each time I do, it takes me back to the initial
> options screen, where I have to exit the install, forcing it to halt.  I
> am never prompted to install a boot manager or anything else.  I always
> get through the install process, installing packages, adding users,
> network settings, etc.
>

Your install experience sounds normal and successful.  When you are
finished and exit the installer, it should take you to the openboot
prompt.  All you *should* need to do is type in 'boot', the system will
reboot and boot to disk.

You don't need to worry about a boot manager as multibooting isn't
supported on this platform.

> When I power cycle the machine and change the boot settings back to
> defaults, it fails to boot.
>

If it fails to boot, I'm assuming it is stopping at the OpenBoot prompt? 
Can you elaborate further?

What happens when you type 'boot disk' at the openboot prompt?  If it
boots, auto-boot may not be set correctly, which can be rectified by
'setenv auto-boot? true' at the openboot prompt.

If that does not work, what is the output of 'printenv' - specifically
what is 'boot-device' set to?

Also, some further reading on installing FreeBSD on sparc64:
http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Sparc_-_Installing_FreeBSD
-and for more detail-
http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Installation_on_Ultra_5

Hope this helps,
James


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Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:01:32 +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Hi,
> Devin Teske wrote:
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> > > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:00 PM
> > > To: Dan Nelson
> > > Cc: FreeBSD Questions
> > > Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to
> > creation
> > > order
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote:
> > > > If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives
> > > > more precision.  The default is unsigned int (U) format.
> > > >
> > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT
> > > > /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049
> > > 
> > > Strangely, I only get a 0 "suffix" for any time stamp, no matter 
> > > if I
> > create
> > > the file or apply the command as shown above to an existing file:
> > > 
> > >   % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT
> > >   /COPYRIGHT 1313951230.0
> > > 
> > > Am I missing some file system feature?
> > > 
> > > Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't 
> > > need
> > to be
> > > a "human-readable" date representation.
> > > 
> > > by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here, 
> > > file
> > > system used is UFS2.
> > 
> > On ZFS, all is well...
> > 
> > % df -hT /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT
> > Filesystem  TypeSizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> > raid1/jails/package8-1  zfs 835G672M835G 0%
> > /raid1/jails/package8-1
> > 
> > % stat -f "%N %FB" /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT
> > /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT 1324356049.328275367
> > 
> > But alas, on UFS2:
> > 
> > % df -hT /COPYRIGHT
> > Filesystem TypeSizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> > /dev/mfid0s1a  ufs 989M 64M846M 7%/
> > 
> > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT
> > /COPYRIGHT 1279505857.0

The idea of changing the sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision
to the value 3 worked on UFS for me. But it doesn't seem
to be the default.

Another problem might be when dealing with files that are
stored on a filesystem type different from UFS...



> I was wondering how df (& stat) could show more than seconds
> (Remembering back to 1990 & my
>   http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/statv/
>   when Unix used unsigned long seconds since 1 jan 1970
>   ( & MSDOS was seconds divided by 2 since 1 jan 1980 )
>   )
> FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE /usr/src/usr.bin/stat/stat.c
> line 320 etc still uses the normal fstat stat lstat.
> But man 2 stat has extended :
>  #ifndef _POSIX_SOURCE
>  #define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec
>  #define st_mtime st_mtimespec.tv_sec
>  #define st_ctime st_ctimespec.tv_sec
>  #endif

The st_birthtime field would be the required one for
sorting here (and defaults, per definition, to seconds).
The "man 1 stat" mentions that stat uses the stat and
lstat system system calls, so this would be the value
that will be retrieved of no "finer time" can be
accessed (which would mean zeros here).



> cd /usr/include/sys ; vi -c/tv_sec /types.h stat.h
> #if __BSD_VISIBLE
> #define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec
> structtimespec
> #include 
> time.h:   #include 
> timespec.h:
> struct timespec {time_t tv_sec;/* seconds */ long tv_nsec;/* nanoseconds */};
> 
> I guess extended timespec may get compiled in to VFS but not UFS,
> but no time to look further, Good luck Polytropn.

At least that's a starting point. I see that changing
the sysctl mentioned above seems to be sufficient for
the current purpose. However, I'd like to see the system
defaulting (!) to a resolution better than seconds, as
this is definitely possible.



> PS Here with UFS (per Dan's tip, thanks) I see:
> sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=2 ; stat -f "%N %FB" /etc/motd
>   /etc/motd 1306839862.0

That's understandable, as the "finer time" will
be generated only upon file _creation_; for files
that are already present, 0 is the typical
result.

# sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=3
vfs.timestamp_precision: 0 -> 3

And then:

% touch hickup.txt
% stat -f "%N %FB" hickup.txt
hickup.txt 1325686735.035925369

In comparison:

% stat -f "%N %FB" /etc/motd
/etc/motd 1309547364.0

which has been created prior to changing the
vfs.timestamp_precision sysctl.



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Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Devin Teske wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:00 PM
> > To: Dan Nelson
> > Cc: FreeBSD Questions
> > Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to
> creation
> > order
> > 
> > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote:
> > > If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives
> > > more precision.  The default is unsigned int (U) format.
> > >
> > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT
> > > /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049
> > 
> > Strangely, I only get a 0 "suffix" for any time stamp, no matter if 
> > I
> create
> > the file or apply the command as shown above to an existing file:
> > 
> > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT
> > /COPYRIGHT 1313951230.0
> > 
> > Am I missing some file system feature?
> > 
> > Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't need
> to be
> > a "human-readable" date representation.
> > 
> > by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here, 
> > file
> > system used is UFS2.
> 
> On ZFS, all is well...
> 
> % df -hT /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT
> Filesystem  TypeSizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> raid1/jails/package8-1  zfs 835G672M835G 0%
> /raid1/jails/package8-1
> 
> % stat -f "%N %FB" /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT
> /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT 1324356049.328275367
> 
> But alas, on UFS2:
> 
> % df -hT /COPYRIGHT
> Filesystem TypeSizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/mfid0s1a  ufs 989M 64M846M 7%/
> 
> % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT
> /COPYRIGHT 1279505857.0
> 
> -- 
> Devin

I was wondering how df (& stat) could show more than seconds
(Remembering back to 1990 & my
http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/statv/
when Unix used unsigned long seconds since 1 jan 1970
( & MSDOS was seconds divided by 2 since 1 jan 1980 )
)
FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE /usr/src/usr.bin/stat/stat.c
line 320 etc still uses the normal fstat stat lstat.
But man 2 stat has extended :
 #ifndef _POSIX_SOURCE
 #define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec
 #define st_mtime st_mtimespec.tv_sec
 #define st_ctime st_ctimespec.tv_sec
 #endif

cd /usr/include/sys ; vi -c/tv_sec /types.h stat.h
#if __BSD_VISIBLE
#define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec
struct  timespec
#include 
time.h: #include 
timespec.h:
struct timespec {time_t tv_sec;/* seconds */ long tv_nsec;/* nanoseconds */};

I guess extended timespec may get compiled in to VFS but not UFS,
but no time to look further, Good luck Polytropn.

PS Here with UFS (per Dan's tip, thanks) I see:
sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=2 ; stat -f "%N %FB" /etc/motd
/etc/motd 1306839862.0

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?

[Chris Whitehouse]

On 04/01/2012 00:57, Jeffrey McFadden wrote:


um, well, yeah, but it's a laptop.  :/  And I bought it before FreeBSD ever
crossed my mind.


Replacing the Realtek with a supported wireless card may be as easy as 
undoing a plate on the bottom of the machine, unclipping the old one and 
clipping in the new one. They are pretty cheap to buy on ebay.


Your wireless card is probably mini pci-e:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=mini+pci-e+wireless+card&_sacat=See-All-Categories

An older style is mini pci. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiniPCI_and_MiniPCI_Express_cards.jpg


It may require removing the keyboard which is a bit harder but quite 
doable. Generally you get into a laptop by carefully levering off the 
cover at the back of the keyboard. A service manual is a big help and 
can often be found with some googling.


Chris
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Re: Browser

[Bas Smeelen]

On 01/04/2012 01:59 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Hi,
> Reference:
>> From:Daniel Lewis  
>> Date:Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 
>> Message-id:  
>>  
> Daniel Lewis wrote:
>> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
>> version 8.2?
>> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)
> su
> cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install
>
> This fetches then builds from source code
>
> Or to install binaries
>   man pkg_add 
>
> Cheers,
> Julian

To follow up.
Midori and Epiphany are not explained in
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html

as root:
cd /usr/ports/www/midori && make install clean
Epiphany comes with the gnome desktop environment, which is mentioned in the
Handbook also.

I don't use/install the Java plugin, only flash


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Re: Browser

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
> version 8.2?
> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)

You will get many different answers for this question. :-)

What are your primary requirements for a web browser?
Do you have experiences with browsers so you can say
which "kind" you want to use?

Personally, I'm a long-time user of Opera. I've installed
it from ports, but it should be no big deal to use the
precompiled package version.



Intermission: Read the handbook section about how to
install software on FreeBSD. I'd also recommend the
chapter about web browsers.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html

You'll find that it is very easy to follow the advice
given in the Handbook and have your web browser running
very quickly.



Back on topic:

I've also installed the Linux plugins so I can "enjoy"
(bah!) "Flash" stuff if required. Note that those
are already a bit out of date:

opera-11.50
opera-linuxplugins-11.50
linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5
swfdec-0.8.4_3
swfdec-plugin-0.8.2_3

You can get a similar functionality with Firefox, which
is my secondary browser. I'm still using version 6.0.1,
but newer ones are already in the ports collection.

However, there's a real fleet of web browsers waiting
for you around the corner. If you're already using a
desktop environment, try their built-in browsers, like
for example Konqueror or Galeon or Epiphany. For some
minimalism, there's lynx or dillo. And there are many
more. See what /usr/ports/www has to offer.

After trying many, I've always come back to Opera, as
its mouse and keyboard support (!) is very well designed,
the browser is fast, the UI can be turned into something
usable, and it supports all the stuff I need. I don't
say that Firefox is not good, but for _my_ individual
needs and habits, Opera is just a little bit better
suited, that's all.

If you have concerns regarding web browsers spying at
your browsing habits and reporting them to the authorities,
maybe you re-consider using Opera. Keep in mind that
even if it's free, it's not really open, if I remember
correctly.




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Re: Browser

[Bas Smeelen]

On 01/04/2012 01:17 PM, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
> version 8.2?
> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)
>
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel Lewis

Hi Daniel,

It depends on your preferences.
You can read up on:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html

I like Midori a lot and the default Gnome browser Epiphany.
If you have the flash plugin installed like explained in de document link,
both will also play video's.



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Re: Browser

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Reference:
> From: Daniel Lewis  
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 
> Message-id:   
>  

Daniel Lewis wrote:
> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
> version 8.2?
> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)

su
cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install

This fetches then builds from source code

Or to install binaries
man pkg_add 

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Browser

[Daniel Lewis]

Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for
version 8.2?
Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix)


Thanks,
Daniel Lewis
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Re: best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root

[Gareth de Vaux]

On Wed 2012-01-04 (02:10), Dino Vliet wrote:
> suddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind my little 
> webserver running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always using port 
> 8080 and had my router configured to forward requests on port 80 to the 
> server on port 8080. However, I am planning to host my little site on a 
> virtual server with a hosting company and figuredI can't use the workaround I 
> always used. So my question is, how to bind aolserver to port 80 without 
> running?as root as I understood ports below 1024 can only be used by root.
> I found a sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enables me to set 
> it to 0. However, I don't know what the security ramifications are of using 
> that. Are there any other options I could consider?

Hi, if your server isn't able to bind as root and then drop its ownership
then you can just run the process on a higher port number and use something
like pf or portfwd to forward requests to port 80 to that higher port.
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Re: best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root

[Matthew Seaman]

On 04/01/2012 10:10, Dino Vliet wrote:
> suddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind my little
> webserver running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always
> using port 8080 and had my router configured to forward requests on
> port 80 to the server on port 8080. However, I am planning to host my
> little site on a virtual server with a hosting company and figuredI
> can't use the workaround I always used. So my question is, how to
> bind aolserver to port 80 without running as root as I understood
> ports below 1024 can only be used by root. I found a sysctl
> net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enables me to set it to 0.
> However, I don't know what the security ramifications are of using
> that. Are there any other options I could consider?

There are lots of ways to do this.  The hard part is deciding which one
is most appropriate.  Lets see...

* Allow non-root to bind to port 80

  Yes, this does have security implications, but they may not be
  relevant in your situation.  If you can guarantee that any
  non-root process on your system is as trustworthy as a root owned
  process then it should be OK.  Meaning you don't have any other
  users and the system is secured against code injection attacks,
  etc.

  Probably the hardest to get right, and not really anything I'd
  recommend.

* Use one of the built-in firewalls to do port redirection.

  Similarly to the way you were using your router previously.
  So, for example in pf(4) you could do something like this:

rdr pass inet proto tcp from any to $ext_if port 80
   -> 127.0.0.1 port 8080

  Arrange for your aolserver instance to bind to the loopback
  interface port 8080 and you're all set.  You can use ipfw(8)
  to the same effect if preferred.  Note: this probably won't
  work if your virtual server is a jail, as in that case (a) you
  won't have a loopback interface you can use like that and (b)
  firewall rules would have to be setup in the host environment,
  not the jail.

* Use a proxy server bound to port 80, that internally redirects
  queries to your aolserver on port 8080.  You can just do a direct
  proxy using eg. pound or apache or nginx or lighttpd so that
  every request is simply forwarded to the aolserver on port 80.
  Or you can get clever and

  -- serve static content (eg images, CSS etc.) by type directly
 from the proxy webserver.  This relieves your heavyweight
 app-server from dealing with all the trivial stuff and is
 much more efficient.

  -- Use the reverse proxy for SSL offload, if you're using
 HTTPS.  This can both simplify the configuration of your
 app server and provide a performance boost for some sites.

  -- Implement a reverse proxy /cache/.  Instead of going back
 to the origin server and regenerating each page every time
 anyone asks for it, cache a copy of the response the last
 time that page was requested and reply with that.  apache
 has a reasonably good proxy module, but consider also such
 packages as squid or varnish which are specifically
 written to do this.  Done right, this can make a huge
 difference to webserver performance.

Note: if you implement a reverse proxy cache, generally you don't need
to also implement the dispatching requests by type thing as well.
Static content should have a long TTL and be preferentially served out
of the cache thus achieving the same effect automatically.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Walter Alejandro Iglesias]

On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
> > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012:
> > > 
> > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider
> > > your audience, and use words accordingly.  If you wish to use a term
> > > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up
> > > front.  If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to
> > > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey.
> > > 
> > 
> > If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on 
> > the
> > Internet would evaporate.
> 
> Thanks for noticing!
> 
> -- 
> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]


Well Chad, you crossed the line.  I don't need any
"clarification" to understand this last statement like a poor
insult.  Let's do an exercise; you need it:

1) "popularity" "demagogy"  "rights"
2) "lawyer" "demand""rights"

By analogy:

1) "bicycle""road"  "wheel"
2) "Unix"   "groups""wheel"

See?

In that first paragraph where I mention "rights" in
a "popular" context, I am exactly denoting the bad use people do
of the word "rights".  You killed the messenger. 

Talking about an "audience" is beyond my goal.  I expect just a
human being on the other side; not necessary too much cleaver or
cultivated just not having a MS Word Spelling Checker by brain
is enough.   So, I will not waste my time in quoting, sub
quoting and meta quoting myself with "this is a metaphor; this
is a sarcasm; this is a hyperbole; this is a joke" to the
infinite; I made this in the past with people like you and I
know that it is a waste of time.

Anyway, thanks for your teachings.


Walter



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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

[Jerry]

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST)
Robert Bonomi articulated:

> 
>  Jerry  wrote:
> > Chad Perrin articulated:
> >
> > > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a
> > > > Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck"
> > > > etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms
> > > > like: "Winblows", "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would
> > > > you please be so kind as to explain to me why it is morally
> > > > correct to use one set of terms but not the other? It is either
> > > > right or it is wrong. You cannot be slightly pregnant. I
> > > > personally find such terms morally repugnant; however, since
> > > > they are commonly used on this forum it appears that they are
> > > > socially acceptable. Would you not concur or are you going to
> > > > try and bullshit your way out of this one?  
> > > 
> > > 1. I didn't say it was "morally correct" to use one set of
> > > derogatory forms and "morally incorrect" to use the other.  You
> > > are attributing arguments to me I never made.
> >
> > I just spent a half hour rereading every post on this thread to see
> > if I had inadvertently stated that you had stated in any way that
> > it was "morally correct". Guess what, there aren't any such
> > statements.

snip]

> He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_
> morally correct..."HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS*
> morally correct..."


Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why ..."


You consider that a demand? That is the most incredible statement I
read in this entire thread. If I had demanded an answer, I would have
clearly indicated it. I am not bashful, as you may have noticed. I
simple asked him to explain why such behavior would be morally
acceptable. At that point he made the accusation that I had
attributed such statements, directly or indirectly to him. I neither
did, nor is there any evidence to support the claim that I had. Both of
you choose to conveniently sidestep that simple fact. Although to his
credit, he did explain his feelings on the matter.

Now, if I asked you to explain the moral justification for the
Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, would I be
accusing you of actually having written it? You don't think things
through do you?
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Re: best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root

[Grzegorz Blach]

On 01/04/2012 11:10 AM, Dino Vliet wrote:

Hi all,

suddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind my little webserver 
running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always using port 8080 and had 
my router configured to forward requests on port 80 to the server on port 8080. 
However, I am planning to host my little site on a virtual server with a 
hosting company and figuredI can't use the workaround I always used. So my 
question is, how to bind aolserver to port 80 without running as root as I 
understood ports below 1024 can only be used by root.
I found a sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enables me to set it 
to 0. However, I don't know what the security ramifications are of using that. 
Are there any other options I could consider?

Thanks
Dino
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best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root

[Dino Vliet]

Hi all,
 
suddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind my little webserver 
running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always using port 8080 and had 
my router configured to forward requests on port 80 to the server on port 8080. 
However, I am planning to host my little site on a virtual server with a 
hosting company and figuredI can't use the workaround I always used. So my 
question is, how to bind aolserver to port 80 without running as root as I 
understood ports below 1024 can only be used by root.
I found a sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enables me to set it 
to 0. However, I don't know what the security ramifications are of using that. 
Are there any other options I could consider?
 
Thanks
Dino
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Re: ASP running on FreeBSD via Apache/NGINX/Lighttpd

[Matthew Seaman]

On 04/01/2012 07:31, Jonathan Vomacka wrote:
> PS. I will need to convert the mssql data to mysql, is there any good
> program that will convert this? I understand that this question is
> probably inappropriate for this e-mail thread but maybe someone could
> shoot me a quick suggestion.

This is probably the easiest part of your porting project.  What you
need to do is:

   * Examine the table definitions in mssql and write equivalents for
 MySQL.  Ditto for other DB objects like enum types.

   * Dump out table contents in CSV format -- where 'C' doesn't have to
 be 'comma' necessarily: it depends on the nature of your data.

   * Read the CSV files into MySQL.

   * Examine all the SQL queries made by your application and translate
 them into SQL that MySQL can understand.

SQL is unfortunately a horribly non-standard language.  All of the
different RDBMS variants have their own dialect of it, with many
non-standard extensions.  Unfortunately, while there is a SQL standard,
generally you will need to use non-standard bits either for performance
or simply because there is no way to do what you want otherwise.  Also,
SQL syntax is just intrinsically horrible.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Cannot create 2nd gmirror

[Janos Dohanics]

Hello Everyone,

I have system with gmirror gm0:

# gmirror list
Geom name: gm0
State: COMPLETE
Components: 2
Balance: round-robin
Slice: 4096
Flags: NONE
GenID: 0
SyncID: 1
ID: 3516398316
Providers:
1. Name: mirror/gm0
   Mediasize: 320072932864 (298G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r5w5e14
Consumers:
1. Name: ad8
   Mediasize: 320072933376 (298G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Priority: 0
   Flags: NONE
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   ID: 95660722
2. Name: ad10
   Mediasize: 320072933376 (298G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Priority: 0
   Flags: NONE
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   ID: 632264112

I am trying to add a second gmirror, gm1:

# sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16
kern.geom.debugflags: 16 -> 16

# gmirror label -v -b round-robin gm1 /dev/ad4
Metadata value stored on /dev/ad4.
Done.

# gmirror insert gm1 /dev/ad6
gmirror: No such device: gm1.

Why does gm1 fail to be created?

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