RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
You turned this into a Microsoft issue. I didn't. Do you feel that the world is closing in around you, and that it's powered by windows? You probably surround yourself with UNIX based systems and dread the idea of a heterogeneous computing environment. -Original Message- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:12 AM To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? - Original Message - From: Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? Please explain? Because I like people to have an objective view when it comes to making technology decisions. Then start with yourself. You don't have an objective view. We've made bad technology work, and I've seen free software cost more than the most expensive Microsoft license. Yeah right. Maybe if you started discussing specific examples we might believe you, until then your just another parlor windbag. Too many variables are involved and anyone evangelizing a single system should be viewed with skepticism. And as I asked before, why are you pounding the drum for Microsoft since they evangelize a single system - theirs? Is this what you mean buy out of touch? by, not buy, although freudian slip there since buy is the word for this discussion. Ted -Original Message- From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:01 PM To: Born, Clinton Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Born, Clinton wrote: Dude, I'm not a MS lackey. I just don't trust tech fanatics. They are on par with Hezbollah. You really are out of touch, aren't you. Chad -Original Message- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:42 PM To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? - Original Message - From: Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, a person who writes a god damn book about integrating both MS solutions and FreeBSD? See http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/ You just proved to the world your talking out your ass. Ted --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
Dude, I'm not a MS lackey. I just don't trust tech fanatics. They are on par with Hezbollah. -Original Message- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:42 PM To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? - Original Message - From: Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, a person who writes a god damn book about integrating both MS solutions and FreeBSD? See http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/ You just proved to the world your talking out your ass. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
Please explain? Because I like people to have an objective view when it comes to making technology decisions. We've made bad technology work, and I've seen free software cost more than the most expensive Microsoft license. Too many variables are involved and anyone evangelizing a single system should be viewed with skepticism.. Is this what you mean buy out of touch? -Original Message- From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:01 PM To: Born, Clinton Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Born, Clinton wrote: Dude, I'm not a MS lackey. I just don't trust tech fanatics. They are on par with Hezbollah. You really are out of touch, aren't you. Chad -Original Message- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:42 PM To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? - Original Message - From: Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, a person who writes a god damn book about integrating both MS solutions and FreeBSD? See http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/ You just proved to the world your talking out your ass. Ted --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about. -Original Message- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:56 PM To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? - Original Message - From: Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? A predilection to evangelize tools that supports ones own belief in software superiority is what curtails our ability to move any platform forward. I would keep a hesitant eye on any individual that holds such fervent beliefs. Do you keep a hesitant eye on Microsoft, then? Since they are one of the biggest evangelizers of their own tools there is... I have old NT servers that have run Disney.com Apparently, not. for several years and have served us well. Technology is an enabler, not a divider. Too many people unknowingly adopt the later. This is just a load of dingos kidneys. Your no better than anyone else you are just spewing to sound superior. The best tool for the job why that is a loaded statement if there ever was one. There are precious few jobs out there that I can think of that there are not multiple, different tools for that many people use with equal success. In fact the only one that comes to mind is pulling the tilt steering wheel on a 80's-90's GM vehicle, since it uses a special tool that only SnapOn ever manufactured. One person's best tool is another person's junk tool. This is a subjective judgement if there ever was one. And there is really nothing wrong with it. Sorry if it offends your politically correct credentials (good example of why disney's quality has gone down the toilet in the last 20 years) but it does not harm anyone's ability to move any platform forward to have a bunch of vocal detractors out there. Everyone loves their platform of choice and it is perfectly OK for them to be as vocal as they like, and nobody is harmed for that happening. The people who are willing to be open minded will use a mix of tools from Microsoft and the rest of the world, and the people who are closed minded will use tools from Microsoft, and neither is going to pay any attention to whatever loudmouths are bandmouthing their choices. That's the way the world has worked in the past when IBM was king people did the same thing, and that's the way it will always work. You can stand up an be counted as an open minded person, or you can use NT and stand up to be counted with the closed minded people who only use Microsoft solutions. It's your choice. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:31 PM To: Born, Clinton Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Born, Clinton wrote: Really? I wouldn't want such a myopic view when choosing to allocate our shareholders dollars. Best tool for the job. Period! That is not as easy as you make it out to be. WHat one might in the short term see as the best tool may not be such in 2 years when support is dropped and you are in a forced obsolescence and have to replace it with something else... So making value judgments like tools that are known to be well supported on FReeBSD for example is part of determining the best tool for the job Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amitabh Kant Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:28 AM To: Nikolas Britton Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? And this is what I always do. As a person responsible for recommending/approving/buying harware related stuff for few different companies, I make it a point that I *prefer* only those brands that have support for FreeBSD. For me, this is more so in case of RAID cards. On 7/27/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except most of the people using FreeBSD in a professional setting are pretty high up on the IT/IS/MIS food chain. If a product doesn't work on my platform of choice then there's no way in hell I'll approve it's uses on other platforms, FreeBSD is my litmus test. If a vendor doesn't support FreeBSD they can still pass my test by providing open documentation. I see the whole issue this way: companies are free to choose whether to support FreeBSD or not, and I am free to choose/recommend their product in my installations. It's only when we start to speak with our money bags, that it will make commercial sense to them to support *BSD. Amitabh
RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
Morons proliferate this list. -Original Message- From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:55 AM To: Born, Clinton Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? On Jul 29, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Born, Clinton wrote: Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about. As you are yourself Chad -Original Message- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:56 PM To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? - Original Message - From: Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? A predilection to evangelize tools that supports ones own belief in software superiority is what curtails our ability to move any platform forward. I would keep a hesitant eye on any individual that holds such fervent beliefs. Do you keep a hesitant eye on Microsoft, then? Since they are one of the biggest evangelizers of their own tools there is... I have old NT servers that have run Disney.com Apparently, not. for several years and have served us well. Technology is an enabler, not a divider. Too many people unknowingly adopt the later. This is just a load of dingos kidneys. Your no better than anyone else you are just spewing to sound superior. The best tool for the job why that is a loaded statement if there ever was one. There are precious few jobs out there that I can think of that there are not multiple, different tools for that many people use with equal success. In fact the only one that comes to mind is pulling the tilt steering wheel on a 80's-90's GM vehicle, since it uses a special tool that only SnapOn ever manufactured. One person's best tool is another person's junk tool. This is a subjective judgement if there ever was one. And there is really nothing wrong with it. Sorry if it offends your politically correct credentials (good example of why disney's quality has gone down the toilet in the last 20 years) but it does not harm anyone's ability to move any platform forward to have a bunch of vocal detractors out there. Everyone loves their platform of choice and it is perfectly OK for them to be as vocal as they like, and nobody is harmed for that happening. The people who are willing to be open minded will use a mix of tools from Microsoft and the rest of the world, and the people who are closed minded will use tools from Microsoft, and neither is going to pay any attention to whatever loudmouths are bandmouthing their choices. That's the way the world has worked in the past when IBM was king people did the same thing, and that's the way it will always work. You can stand up an be counted as an open minded person, or you can use NT and stand up to be counted with the closed minded people who only use Microsoft solutions. It's your choice. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:31 PM To: Born, Clinton Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Born, Clinton wrote: Really? I wouldn't want such a myopic view when choosing to allocate our shareholders dollars. Best tool for the job. Period! That is not as easy as you make it out to be. WHat one might in the short term see as the best tool may not be such in 2 years when support is dropped and you are in a forced obsolescence and have to replace it with something else... So making value judgments like tools that are known to be well supported on FReeBSD for example is part of determining the best tool for the job Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amitabh Kant Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:28 AM To: Nikolas Britton Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? And this is what I always do. As a person responsible for recommending/approving/buying harware related stuff for few different companies, I make it a point that I *prefer* only those brands that have support for FreeBSD. For me, this is more so in case of RAID cards. On 7/27/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except most of the people using FreeBSD in a professional setting are pretty high up on the IT/IS/MIS food chain. If a product doesn't work on my platform of choice then there's no way in hell I'll approve it's uses on other platforms, FreeBSD is my
RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
A predilection to evangelize tools that supports ones own belief in software superiority is what curtails our ability to move any platform forward. I would keep a hesitant eye on any individual that holds such fervent beliefs. I have old NT servers that have run Disney.com for several years and have served us well. Technology is an enabler, not a divider. Too many people unknowingly adopt the later. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:31 PM To: Born, Clinton Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Born, Clinton wrote: Really? I wouldn't want such a myopic view when choosing to allocate our shareholders dollars. Best tool for the job. Period! That is not as easy as you make it out to be. WHat one might in the short term see as the best tool may not be such in 2 years when support is dropped and you are in a forced obsolescence and have to replace it with something else... So making value judgments like tools that are known to be well supported on FReeBSD for example is part of determining the best tool for the job Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amitabh Kant Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:28 AM To: Nikolas Britton Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? And this is what I always do. As a person responsible for recommending/approving/buying harware related stuff for few different companies, I make it a point that I *prefer* only those brands that have support for FreeBSD. For me, this is more so in case of RAID cards. On 7/27/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except most of the people using FreeBSD in a professional setting are pretty high up on the IT/IS/MIS food chain. If a product doesn't work on my platform of choice then there's no way in hell I'll approve it's uses on other platforms, FreeBSD is my litmus test. If a vendor doesn't support FreeBSD they can still pass my test by providing open documentation. I see the whole issue this way: companies are free to choose whether to support FreeBSD or not, and I am free to choose/recommend their product in my installations. It's only when we start to speak with our money bags, that it will make commercial sense to them to support *BSD. Amitabh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
Really? I wouldn't want such a myopic view when choosing to allocate our shareholders dollars. Best tool for the job. Period! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amitabh Kant Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:28 AM To: Nikolas Britton Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? And this is what I always do. As a person responsible for recommending/approving/buying harware related stuff for few different companies, I make it a point that I *prefer* only those brands that have support for FreeBSD. For me, this is more so in case of RAID cards. On 7/27/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except most of the people using FreeBSD in a professional setting are pretty high up on the IT/IS/MIS food chain. If a product doesn't work on my platform of choice then there's no way in hell I'll approve it's uses on other platforms, FreeBSD is my litmus test. If a vendor doesn't support FreeBSD they can still pass my test by providing open documentation. I see the whole issue this way: companies are free to choose whether to support FreeBSD or not, and I am free to choose/recommend their product in my installations. It's only when we start to speak with our money bags, that it will make commercial sense to them to support *BSD. Amitabh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
