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should be showing during DST in the Eastern (US) time zone. When it's
not DST, what should be showing in the Eastern time zone is "EST"
instead. From what you said, though, it seems you had set it to "EDT"
when it was not yet daylight saving time.
o I set fetchmail and sendmail to fetch
> such emails?
You might want to try out the mail/fdm port instead of fetchmail. I have
found fetchmail to be obtuse and cantankerous; I stopped using it a long
time ago.
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> $4;}{a=$1;b=$2;c=$3}' \
I'm never comfortable calling something like that a "one-liner". If it
runs over 80 columns of width, that (to me) doesn't really qualify as a
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finally get this
> sorted out.
>
> So, on FreeBSD, how does one get firefox and/or opera to use, for example,
> evince or some other PDF displayer instead of using this goddamn lousey
> buggy *&^%$#@ acroread ?
The first thing to do should simply be to uninstall acro
to find out what's going on with the wait. That doesn't mean I want
anyone prioritizing speed over quality, though.
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pair is really a
helpful form of verbosity.
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:57:49PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > Is there some way I could get the number of unique IPs hitting FreeBSD
> > servers for software updates? I'm curious about the direct comparison of
> &g
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 07:45:12PM +0200, Jerome Herman wrote:
> Must resist the urge to post...
>
> 10
>
> (I am weak)...
There are 10 types of people in the world. . . .
(You're the 10nd type.)
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Is there some way I could get the number of unique IPs hitting FreeBSD
servers for software updates? I'm curious about the direct comparison of
numbers between FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Fedora, and SUSE for this metric.
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>
> evince? Did you try it? I do not have it installed at the moment, so I
> am not able to tell you.
Zathura might be worth a try, too.
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The more we can avoid code written by Poettering and anything remotely
like it, the better off we will be, I'm sure. Luckily, he wants to help
us; he has stated that he believes writing quality, portable code somehow
hinders "innovation", and
reward someone receives; in all too many cases that is just
> not so. The socialists still feel they are entitled to something for
> nothing.
. . . which need not have *anything* at all to do with a discussion of
whether a system of patents
really fair one. If the word "fair" can be used for lawyers at all.
>
> Most often they just want court cases to have "work".
I'm not sure you understood what I said, because what *you* said here
seems irrelevant to what I said.
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he opposite of a free market. In fact,
the socialistic "labor theory of value" is a much more effective basis
for justifying a patent system than any concepts of economic schools of
thought more oriented toward free market capitalism, because patents are
designed to "protect" a l
peed will
> gonna be the differentiator.
The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me. Do
you have some benchmarks for that?
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> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600
> Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote:
> > > >
> > Unfortunately, patent law and copyright
c.
>
> The european patent office system pressures examiners towards granting
> if they can't quickly find prove the application is already known.
The same applies in the US.
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light produced by a hand-held laser apparatus onto the floor ...
> in the vicinity of the cat, then moving the laser ... in an irregular way
> fascinating to cats,..." -- US patent 5443036, "Method of exercising a cat"
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ovement/change to it to not qualify under that, then they would
> be well within patent law to apply for a patent.
. . . in theory. In practice, if you don't have the resources to mount a
serious defense against a deep-pockets patent holder, prior art isn't
going to get you far.
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> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,
> > having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will
> >
s far as the FreeBSD project or any
FreeBSD users before things come crashing down.
(disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et cetera.)
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> Hello,
>
> On Jul 25, 2012 7:34 PM, "Chad Perrin" wrote:
> > You kids have got it easy. I used to have to compile by hand with a pair
> > of tweezers, bar copper wire, a magnifying glass, and a pota
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 08:33:36PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> You kids have got it easy. I used to have to compile by hand with a pair
> of tweezers, bar copper wire, a magnifying glass, and a potato with two
> pieces of metal stuck in it as a power source.
s/bar/bare/
Now
d if you've ever seen 'ps' report that it had
> itself been swapped out. Yep, again.
>
> Ah, good times.
>
> I think I still have some memory _chips_ (zip scrams, not dips) around
> here somewhere
You kids have got it easy. I used to have to compile by hand wit
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 07:18:13PM +0800, lei yang wrote:
>
> Aha,I just want to learn want to know how to build the netcat for
> freebsd version on a no-freebsd platform
I'm really curious, now:
Why?
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ry emailing Dillon for clarification, too.
In any case, I'll take a closer look at cpdup. Thanks for bringing it to
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not that it provides features that can't be managed
> directly by rsync.
Actually, a Wake-On-LAN feature is not at all necessary for me in this
case. It's a simple enough task to just trigger a backup manually at the
command line via a script that automates the process
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:14:34PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> > I'm setting up a "new" backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for
> > backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the ne
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:47:40PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > I'm setting up a "new" backup server using FreeBSD. It will be used for
> > backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the netwo
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:24:57AM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > I disagree with the assessment by others that FreeBSD is in some way
> > effectively a subsidiary of its corporate users, but it does have
> > corporate
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:16:09PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 01:06:12PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > > i already proposed (but not publically) to turn FreeBSD into
> > > commercial system.
> > >
>
are all you see. It is
ludicrous to watch you close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears,
and shout "lalalalalalalala" so consistently to prevent any other factors
involved in compiler choice from entering your mind -- such as good
output from a compiler that will be stable and
e for any help I can get in figuring this out.
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bothered to actually read and understand it) is just "politics", go
ahead, as long as it doesn't perpetuate this wholly unnecessary griping
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everyone else at
fault for the fact you cannot see past your nose to note that the whole
world does not revolve around some dubious benchmarks.
I doubt you're convincing anyone of anything you seem to think we should
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ve you a mistaken
impression that there was not much discussion of the matter.
. . . and thanks for calling the concerns of everyone who wants to be
able to use FreeBSD as the basis of other projects without having to deal
with problematic licensing restrictions as "stupid" and &qu
red to
> Clang.
>
> That would help explain why FreeBSD is switching to Clang.
Related (perhaps somewhat indirectly):
Advancement Through License Simplicity
http://univacc.net/?page=license_simplicity
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ld. In fact,
one of the biggest problems in the Linux world is the fact that GNU
projects have a tendency to degrade in quality over time and pretty
thoroughly undermine the Unix philosophy in egregious ways, which means
that the sooner we can divest ourselves of GNU tools (including GCC) the
al Vimperator project used a copyleft license (the GPL), and
the new Pentadactyl project used a copyfree license (I don't recall
which, probably either the Simplified BSD License or the MIT/X11
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that apply, and doesn't even *want* to know, picks one thing he thinks he
understands and argues about it in an attempt to make the entire project
change course.
Well, dammit, I *like* blue, and he can take his bucket of red paint home
with him to paint his *own* bikeshed.
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ible performance difference is . . . negligible
I'm pretty sure he's not running compute clusters on FreeBSD, after all.
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ged in, and the laptop display when the
external monitor is *not* plugged in. From the sound of the request,
that is the use case the orignial querent in this thread had in mind as
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> >now. And they are fine with that one.
>
> their problem.
No -- it's their solution. It would be a problem only if the previous
statement said "and they are *not* fine with that one."
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Clang as
the sole compiler in the base system (last I heard).
This is what happens when you use a more standards-compliant compiler:
you get more stable and predictable behavior.
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nipulationg reactions of many people on
> that list shows that above sentence is true.
When you refuse to assume good faith at first encounter in discussion,
you just make everyone into your enemy. This pretty well ensures that
the majority of people will ignore your concerns, no matter how val
w drivers until something that replace FreeBSD will be available.
> Assuming there will at all.
>
> Wish i am wrong. Twice i wasn't
When you set your own standards for "success", regardless of anyone
else's thoughts on the matter, you'll probably always be right,
think of at least one big reason: the FreeBSD base system should
favor the 2-clause Simplified BSD License (aka New BSD License aka
FreeBSD License) and compatible licenses. GPLvN, where N is *any*
version number currently extant, is *not* a compatible license: it is a
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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 04:44:50PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >licensed gcc or b) A maintained and current GPLv3 gcc with GPLv3
> >licensed libc.
> FreeBSD doesn't use GNU libc. am i missing something?
Yes. Users are not identical to the FreeBSD base system.
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FreeBSD is if it can be used. IMHO
> nothing from GPLv3 prevents it, and it is no licence based reasons
> to use clang.
1. This has nothing to do with what I said.
2. I prefer Clang.
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it "thinks" there's a larger external monitor still attached.
I hope that helps. Let me know if you want any more information about
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> of those licenses is about freedom. Hint: freedom is not defined as forcing
> people to do what you want.
This would probably be a better-received statement if the rest of your
commentary in the same email was not mostly about (probably entirely
inaccurate) insults flung at someone for fa
y errors.
I guess you're either some kind of rare genius or suffering from
Stockholm syndrome. Everyone I've encountered with something to say
about warning and error reporting with regard to Clang vs. GCC has
remarked about how much nicer it is with Clang.
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parts of the code. That sort
of thing is required probably 70% of the time, in my experience.
With Clang, by contrast, I find that's required only about 20% to 30% of
the time. Otherwise, the warning and error messages tend to get me a lot
closer to the actual point of failure than GCC.
*T
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:47:55PM +, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about.
>
> If your utility power is very -- common now in places with buried
> utilities -
nothing to brag about -- no UPS, combined with 'unreliable' public
> utility power, does have an impact.
No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about.
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neglected single-purpose machines.
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>
> . . .
You obviously aren't serious. I can't believe I let you string me along
with this fantasy for so long.
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 02:46:49PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:44:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
> >On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> >>
> >> Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address
> >&
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:11:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
>
> >On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> >>
> >> It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When
> >
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 06:26:16AM +, jb wrote:
> Chinese advertising of soccer championship Euro 2012
>
> http://avaxnews.com/wow/Chinese_Advertising_UEFA_Euro_2012.html
That . . . was nuts. What just happened?
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its users in venues like this mailing list, where it's trollish, does not
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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 03:27:25AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
>
>
> On 9 Jun 2012, at 18:48, Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 11:42:37PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
> >>
> >> On 6 Jun 2012, at 21:52, Dave U. Random
> &
houghtful refutation of some specific point(s)? I hope you have more of
value to contribute than your obvious disdain for people who disagree
with you about something (without even specifying on what points you
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ch are even
more likely to get FreeBSD installed, and none of this has anything to do
with corporate accounts or bulk purchases.
Yes, my evidence is anecdotal, but I think your notions of the frequency
of FreeBSD use other than in a corporate setting are also based on
anecdotal observations, s
;authority" charging money to allow people to control their own
system security in what amounts to a vacant lot scam.
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t. I think may make a great difference.
Okay, thanks. You've provided a pretty good representative selection, I
think. I guess there are two problems: the third edition index is
woefully incomplete, and the fourth edition text has for some reason
basically traded FreeBSD for AIX -- which m
rlooked something.
Is there something else I should try to find in the index or table of
contents that would be in the third edition but not the fourth? Can you
give me some examples of the sorts of things you'd expect to find in the
table of contents
t sure -- I've never taken advantage of
that discount, because I only started collecting ebook copies of O'Reilly
books after getting an e-ink reader, which I find every bit as good for
many (though not all) reading purposes as a physical dead tree format
book. Your mileage may vary, I suppo
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:23:47PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:01:56 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 08:01:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:36:13 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 08:01:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:36:13 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 06:00:51PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:33:29 -0700 David Brodbeck articulated:
> > > >
> >
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:33:29PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > Indeed -- and the employer who bucks this trend does him/her self a huge
> > service, because large numbers of very skilled and/or talented people are
> &
x27;re correctly identifying the skills
they actually need from their employees. A big part of this entire
discussion has been about the fact that many "responsible" parties in the
hiring process are utterly without capacity for correctly i
ou can pull it off. No legitimate employer is going to change
> his criteria to accommodate your skills.
Good job completely bypassing my actual statements to make a point about
something else entirely. Congratulations on your irrelevance.
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57:10PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:32:24 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
> >> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:32:24AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
> > >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > >>
> >
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:43:06PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:52:56 -0600
> Chad Perrin articulated:
>
> >On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:45:53PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> >>
> >> Generic skills aren't recognized because they're ha
ates who would be
great at the job waiting for someone else to give them a chance.
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is nothing like what Tony suggests would be a
good approach to the design of the FreeBSD site, which is actually a good
recommendation for the design he suggests for the FreeBSD site.
Gawd, it's comically bad for something called the "Design Council",
unless you take the name as a
es, if "links" does not behave as you prefer. Have you tried
w3m or one of its enhanced brethren?
/usr/ports/www/w3m
/usr/ports/www/w3m-img
/usr/ports/www/w3m-m17n
/usr/ports/www/w3m-m17n-img
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:24:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> > I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an
> > obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and
hink learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an
obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and-peck
on a QWERTY keyboard, but you have to know the chords to do anything on a
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:54:03AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:48:34 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking of mentioning the Happy Hacking keyboard, but I see you
> > beat me to it. I have not used one for more than a few minutes once,
>
ed one for more than a few minutes once,
though. Does the Fn+ work with Ctrl+Alt+F combination to
move around between TTY consoles?
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:07:25AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> On 03/27/12 01:42, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> >I think the point of the initial email to start this thread was to see if
> >there were people in the community with an interest in working on this
> >project, and
e, "Skippy", you, -YOURSELF-. will need to find a 'guru' with the
> appropriate knowledge/skills *and* "enough interest' in the project to
> tackle it.
I think the point of the initial email to start this thread was to see if
there were people in the community wi
way."
(No offense to the Java maintainers at the FreeBSD project, of course.
They do a great job of making it possible to get working at all.)
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> ... One word that is rampant... Alligations
Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator?
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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14:39PM -0400, Allen wrote:
>
> I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux.
Give the Haiku project a look. It's meant to be some kind of inheritor
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> > - no filesystem-based security
>
> FAT rules!
Uh . . . what?
>
> > - default network protocols are insecure
>
> Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do
> some catching up.
I suspect this was
fortunate misconceptions, might have been a really good idea --
not as a great OS in its own right, but rather as a gateway drug for
Unix-like OSes. Alas, that was not to be. Instead, it looks like it
will just be a never-was (and occasional grist for some very weak
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On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 03:48:17PM +, Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 03/09/12 15:08, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> >2012-03-08 19:46, Chad Perrin skrev:
> >>
> >>That helps me get sort of a timeline in mind, I think.
> >
> >The production is halted.
> >
> &
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 11:11:53AM -0500, Jeremy Faulkner wrote:
> The freebsd-arm@ list is where it is being discussed and progressing,
> don't think anybody has the hardware yet.
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On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 08:51:03AM +, Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 03/07/12 21:40, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> >If anyone has more information about planned BSD Unix ports to Raspberry
> >Pi, or comes up with more in the next few weeks, I'd appreciate it if
> >someone
ojects working on this).
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Has there been any movement toward getting BSD Unix systems running on
the Raspberry Pi platform? I've been searching for information along
those lines, but so far have seen nothing.
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is called Adblock Plus, not Add
Block Plus.
It has been a little bit since I've dealt with these extensions, though,
because I started using another browser that offers things like plugin
and JavaScript whitelisting as a core feature. Take my memory of it for
what it's worth.
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On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:09:13AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
>
> always these complicated things. This is why life here is so much more
> exiting.
>
> We do not need sysctl.
I guess that depends on your definition of sysctl, and I rather like it.
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sent my evidence of how Guido doesn't get it in a longer
> post, if prompted.
I'm definitely curious. If you don't think this is the place for it, I'd
love to see your explanation in private email or by other means.
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