Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Wednesday 05 September 2007 00:35:35 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Hauber Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:22 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out Hey, all... Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Different strokes for different folks. There's nothing to be ashamed of for choosing a different OS because it fits your needs better than FreeBSD. However there is a lot to be ashamed of if your announcing this to the FreeBSD mailing list as a veiled attempt to spur the FreeBSD developers to make FreeBSD more ubuntu-like, or to trigger a flame war between ubuntu and FreeBSD supporters. Your post to me kind of seems rather passive-agressive, your praising and condemming FreeBSD at the same time, in the same sentences. I can't figure out if your trying to flame-bait or not, so I'll assume the best, that your not. Basically, dude, what you need to do is shit and get off the pot. Every OS under the sun including Winblows is going to suck up tinker-time. If you want a computer (or a happy wife I guess) then you need to accept that and quit whining that you don't have enough time. Here's a thought - unplug your TV set for a month and I'll bet you get a lot more tinker time. Anyway, you need to load ubuntu and load windows and load debian, and load red hat and so on and so on and make your own decision as to which meets your needs. None of us here can read minds and you haven't stated what your needs are - other than you want more time, which as I explained is a mirage - there isn't going to be more time freed up by replacing FreeBSD with something else, your just going to spend the same time with a different set of problems - so if you honest-to-god need more time, then give up something in your life that is consuming time that you gain less from than your computer. It could be anything from TV to your daily commute, to smoking, to drinking beer, you name it, whatever. Ted Flamer-bait, no. Lazy tv addict, no. Go back to windows, hell no. Have time, no. Trying to be negative about any BSD, absolutely not. I asked out of respect for this board, not out of frustration for FreeBSD or OpenBSD. The FreeBSD and OpenBSD will probably always be my favorites. Now... As to why I asked this board Who better to ask than folks that have some of the preferences? I needed something that I could take on the road without having to spend a lot of time upgrading/tweaking. Ubuntu is turning out to be fine for that. Giving something up... I did (for the time being), and I'll miss it. My overall response for all that bullshit you just wrote... Go find someone else to jerk off. Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
I apologize for that last comment... That was uncalled for. My time is limited because of my having to juggle so many things at once, and working on the road isn't helping me any (as much as I like the work). My wife is now travelling with me, so that was also part of the equation. Things will slow down eventually, and I'll be back then. I basically took your response as your calling me a lazy whiner... To that, I must say that I save lazy for Sundays (or until I pass out). The whiner part... I'm not much for the drink... :) I appreciate you, Ted. Over the years, I've learned a lot from you, and hell I even have your book... But I'll be damned if you don't parse me off sometimes. :) Anyway... A public apology for a public ass-showing... And I don't want to leave the board with the impression that I'm an ass (or at least a complete one), Cheers, Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Sunday 02 September 2007 07:12:37 am Manolis Kiagias proclaimed: Michael Hauber wrote: Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. I am working (and tinkering as you put it) with many kinds of systems: Fedora / Ubuntu as desktops, Debian as servers, FreeBSD both desktops and servers, Windows 2003 servers, XP desktops, even Vista :) To put it simply, every system has its strong points, ups and downs. For example, Windows has drivers for everything - many are crap, but they still exist - and a few applications you just can't replace with anything else. Ubuntu, the one you are considering, is based on Debian, which I consider excellent, especially for servers. But if you are coming from a FreeBSD background, Ubuntu will seem rather restrictive and easy. It is an easy desktop for *NIX beginners, and it is now marketed as the Linux you will never have to touch the command line. As I recall, the default install will not even setup gcc, although the package (build-essential) is on CD. There are obviously a lot of helper apps, like automatic installation of codecs etc. but it is still Linux. If you are a power user you will need to tinker it, and there will be things missing you will need to install. Example: First time I tried to mount some NFS shares, they were taking ages. I found out it was missing the nfs-common package. Maybe a beginner does not care about it, but I consider this basic functionality and expect it to be there (or that I will be informed it is not, beforehand). I also need the compiler, kernel headers and stuff to compile kernel modules. Ubuntu seems to have a lot of ready made things, good for beginners but quite limiting for me, I have to actually rip things out to install my stuff (e.g. disable their versions of some restricted drivers to install mine). That being said, it is making an alternate, non-Windows desktop accessible to a lot of people, which I consider a good thing. Though I suggest Ubuntu to enthusiastic Linux beginners, I find it difficult to give an argument for anyone with an average FreeBSD knowledge. At home I mostly use Fedora as a Linux desktop. The part of your post I don't really understand, is what is really bothering you with your FreeBSD install. Are you missing programs / features you just can't live without? Is it something to do with the ports / packages? Installing, customizing and becoming familiar with your FreeBSD system does take some time, but this is followed by a very long effortless stable operation. Assuming a typical installation where users' needs don't constantly change, you can easily maintain a FreeBSD install with minimum hassle. And how is Ubuntu going to be any easier for your wife? Assuming you are administering the machine, a FreeBSD with a Gnome desktop will be more or less the same from the user standpoint to Ubuntu (or any other distro) with Gnome. These responses have all been informative, and I appreciate them very much... To answer your question, it's a matter of access for both me and my wife. Due to my job, we travel quite a bit. For my wife, it's the small things like, My sister just sent me a link to a video on youtube and it's not working right. For me, it's the hours I spend pouring over it, trying to get it to work for her. Personally, I prefer to build everything from ports because I can get the custom builds. On this machine, that takes quite a bit of time. In one case (when FreeBSD ports went to x.org7.2 ), it took over a week to upgrade (I arrived at a hotel and immediately started the upgrade, and when it came time a week later to check out, I had to stop it... That ended up creating a huge mess)... I'd like to think I'm pretty familiar with the BSDs. I've been using both FreeBSD and OpenBSD since around '98 (both as desktops and various kinds of servers... I used to have 8 computers in my bedroom alone, and my hobby
Re: beryl on freebsd
On Thursday 16 August 2007 11:06:47 am Reid Linnemann proclaimed: Written by Dan Sikorsky on 08/16/07 09:40 Is this guide OK? even if i dont have an nvidia chipset? http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-47986.html Well, you don't need to use git to fetch the xorg code, xorg 7.2 is now in ports. Since you won't be using the nvidia driver, you don't need compat_5x enabled. I didn't need to enable any options in the Screen section with my i845, but I did need options composite and RENDER enabled in the Extensions section. I know this thread is a little dated, but this is the link I used as a reference while trying to get beryl working with kde on my laptop... I'm running KDE 3.5.7 on xorg 7.2 on FreeBSD 6.2-Stable. dmesg yields: drm0: ATI Radeon LW RV200 Mobility 7500 M7 port 0x3000-0x30ff mem 0x4800-0x4fff,0x4030-0x4030 irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 info: [drm] AGP at 0x6000 256MB info: [drm] Initialized radeon 1.25.0 20060524 The only difference is that I'm trying to get it to work with the KDE desktop rather than the Gnome desktop. I've followed the steps in the link. When I try to load Beryl however, I get a light-grey screen. I can rotate the cube, but it's all grey (except for the gems at the top and bottom). I'm perplexed, but I don't think it's a problem with Beryl (because of the rotation and the gems displaying at top and bottom of the cube)... Is there a trick to get beryl to work with KDE on FreeBSD? Thanks, Mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: not able to output anything to /dev/ttyv8?
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 11:23:04 pm Zhang Weiwu wrote: Dear list On Gentoo Linux I used to redirect the output of a certain app to /dev/tty10 and switch to tty10 (by using Alt+F10) this is useful to keep watching the application. this doesn't work on FreeBSD. I can do # ehco hello /dev/ttyv8 # ehco hello /dev/ttyv9 # ehco hello /dev/ttyva But Alt+F9, Alt+F10, Alt+F11 only cause the machine to beep Possible to use /dev/ttyv9 for output device in FreeBSD? Thanks in advance. Best regards try 'man ttys' and edit your /etc/ttys. pgp1UhyAIMLmF.pgp Description: PGP signature
