Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
On 2009-May-27 09:47:24 +0200, Stephan Lichtenauer wrote: >>> Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that >> I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ >> resume works out of the box. > >What FreeBSD version are you using? FreeBSD 8-current. -- Peter Jeremy pgpQX2rJtVXZY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
2009/5/23 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> I'm about to buy a netbook, which: >> - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) >> - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) >> - has a normal HDD not an SSD > > point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in > order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really > "mobile". so >4 hours on battery&HDD seems possible. > http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=SSD+versus+hard+drive+power&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Will you PLEASE start checking what you say before posting! Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
Peter, Am 26.05.2009 um 23:13 schrieb Peter Jeremy: On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything works with it. I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ resume works out of the box. What FreeBSD version are you using? Best regards Stephan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: >Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that >model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything >works with it. I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ resume works out of the box. With WiFi and camera turned off, I can get over 3 hrs on the std battery doing things like locally reading mail. I have a USB 3G dongle and it's quite power-hungry (1/4 to 1/3 of total power consumption). -- Peter Jeremy pgpRGOI9743th.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
1024x600 9" display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). Matthias, What kind of battery life do you get (with and without WIFI use)? and with/without Huawei E220. it's realy heavy battery drainer, takes much more than WiFi - i have this UMTS interface. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
in message <20090524135229.ga3...@current.sisis.de>, wrote Matthias Apitz thusly... > > > Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko escribió: > > >I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but > > >my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2" screen, 160GB 5400RPM > > >HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless > > >on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME > > >ULCPC though. ... > I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, > 1024x600 9" display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for > UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only > the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the > moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). Matthias, What kind of battery life do you get (with and without WIFI use)? - Parv -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
in message <20090524161901.gb3...@current.sisis.de>, wrote Matthias Apitz thusly... > > > On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, > > > 1024x600 9" display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for > > > UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, > > > only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this > > > at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video > > > as well). ... > The battery (6600 mAh) gives me around 4.5 hours autonomy, but > often I find a point with power. (Argh, darn quicky fingers!) Sorry for bothering with earlier mail about battery life. - Parv -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 20:09 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Koichiro IWAO escribió: > > The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product. > > So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still > > unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. Does anyone have the pci ids for this? I have some patches around here for an "IGD" device that I think is a G41 but afaik was un-released at the time that I created that patch. robert. > > If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. > Uh, thanks a lot, I almost chose the 751h model, but now I decided to > take the 531. It comes with Intel 945GM. -- Robert Noland FreeBSD signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
Koichiro IWAO escribió: The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product. So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. Uh, thanks a lot, I almost chose the 751h model, but now I decided to take the 531. It comes with Intel 945GM. -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: ga...@freebsd.org .:|:. ga...@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
Hi. Gabor Kovesdan : Hello, I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD I don't know about that you are going to buy, but I have Dell Inspiron mini 12. One of the big problem with FreeBSD is the video Driver. Most of netbooks have Intel Atom Z series CPU. Atom Z series have integrated chipset and video chip. The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product. So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. -- Iwao, Koichiro ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
El día Sunday, May 24, 2009 a las 04:56:11PM +0200, Polytropon escribió: > On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9" > > display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have > > installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is > > not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype > > for FreeBSD can do video as well). > > I would tend to buy one myself in the future, especially for > LAN and WLAN diagnostics (at the customer's site). I like the > concept of the SSD in opposite to a "moving parts" classical > hard disk. Size and battery life are okay (for what they are > intended for), and I think older models of the EeePC will > get a bit cheaper over the time. I'm very greedy, so I mostly > think: "Do I REALLY need this - and spend money on it?" :-) I'm using mine one for reading books in Spanish and writing private stuff; I have a Spanish dictionary on it and an offline version of the Spanish Wikipedia. As well I use it to connect to Internet when I'm sitting in a beer garden to access things I wanna read. It is a netbook per definition. And really cool. The battery (6600 mAh) gives me around 4.5 hours autonomy, but often I find a point with power. > There is a nice description about how to install FreeBSD on > this device at http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt - and > I can't wait to try this out. But I'm sure I would not want > to run KDE or Gnome on this thing... why? it just runs fast on it; The above description is still on RELENG_7 level, I will update it soon for CURRENT which is I run now. > > Of course, it would be nice to have access to the camera (at > least you paid for it), be it by Skype or simply by mencoder. > Maybe it will be supported in the future. > > By the way, can you tell me how expensive (approx.) is the > UMTS dongle, and how much is using it? (I'm curious, and > since you're from a .de domain, your answer should apply > to me, too.) I have a flat rate SIM and PCMCIA card from the company I'm working for. And bought the UMTS dongle for my private usage in eBay for around 35 euro, I think. I'm using it nearly every evening. > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany I lived in Westeregeln and went to school in Egeln :-) > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 happy since 2.2.5 (around 1997, I think). matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9" > display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have > installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is > not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype > for FreeBSD can do video as well). I would tend to buy one myself in the future, especially for LAN and WLAN diagnostics (at the customer's site). I like the concept of the SSD in opposite to a "moving parts" classical hard disk. Size and battery life are okay (for what they are intended for), and I think older models of the EeePC will get a bit cheaper over the time. I'm very greedy, so I mostly think: "Do I REALLY need this - and spend money on it?" :-) There is a nice description about how to install FreeBSD on this device at http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt - and I can't wait to try this out. But I'm sure I would not want to run KDE or Gnome on this thing... Of course, it would be nice to have access to the camera (at least you paid for it), be it by Skype or simply by mencoder. Maybe it will be supported in the future. By the way, can you tell me how expensive (approx.) is the UMTS dongle, and how much is using it? (I'm curious, and since you're from a .de domain, your answer should apply to me, too.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
El día Sunday, May 24, 2009 a las 03:43:53PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan escribió: > Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko escribió: > >I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's > >Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2" screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 > >hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to > >2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. > > > >Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might > >need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver. > > > Thanks, that Samsung model seems pretty nice, as well, but it's > significantly more expensive in Hungary than the Aspire ONE, while the > specs are mainly the same. So I think I'll go for the Acer netbook if > someone doesn't convince me quickly not to do so... I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9" display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko escribió: I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2" screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver. Thanks, that Samsung model seems pretty nice, as well, but it's significantly more expensive in Hungary than the Aspire ONE, while the specs are mainly the same. So I think I'll go for the Acer netbook if someone doesn't convince me quickly not to do so... -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: ga...@freebsd.org .:|:. ga...@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
Wojciech Puchar escribió: I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really "mobile". so >4 hours on battery&HDD seems possible. Yes, but buying anything is always about compromises. Recent HDD models are pretty good and I don't need the most hi-end model with an extreme battery life, just a reasonable uptime with HDD. I think I'll go for the Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything works with it. -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: ga...@freebsd.org .:|:. ga...@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:40:35PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I > > currently have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery > > life and has a 200+gig HDD in it. > > i wrote "somehow incompatible" :) > > your macbook pro would run even more hours on the same battery with flash > drive. Generally true, but with exceptions: a 2.5" HDD draws approx. 4 Watts, and you can reduce overall consumption by spinning down when idle. OTOH, a Flash drive doesn't draw that much power when idle or when read, but when writing, it is substantial (and slow). A RAM-based SSD has yet another power profile... > i don't know how much your CPU gets power, and ... how oversized > battery it has And to get ever more OT: my biggest gripe with current laptops and netbooks is that it is usually difficult to find external batteries, that you could either strap on or below the box (in parallel switching) or that you could hot-swap easily without having to shut down. Even a bigger external battery that you could plug into the DC input would be good enough for most uses, but you'll have to DIY, as you won't find an easy on-the-shelf solution in your electronics store. I don't mind if the internal battery lasts only 90-150 minutes, as long as I can easily swap it with the spare batteries or an external battery that I'd carry in my backback. If you need at least 8-10 hours (or even more) of continuous autonomy, that's pretty important, IMHO. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 13:31 -0400, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > -- > From: "Wojciech Puchar" > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:09 PM > To: "Gabor Kovesdan" > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD > > >> > >> I'm about to buy a netbook, which: > >> - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) > >> - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) > >> - has a normal HDD not an SSD > > > > point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in > > order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really > > "mobile". so >4 hours on battery&HDD seems possible. > > > > I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently > have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig > HDD in it. > I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2" screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver. HTH, -- Alexandre Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really "mobile". so >4 hours on battery&HDD seems possible. I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig HDD in it. i wrote "somehow incompatible" :) your macbook pro would run even more hours on the same battery with flash drive. i don't know how much your CPU gets power, and ... how oversized battery it has ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
-- From: "Wojciech Puchar" Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:09 PM To: "Gabor Kovesdan" Cc: ; Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really "mobile". so >4 hours on battery&HDD seems possible. I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig HDD in it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really "mobile". so >4 hours on battery&HDD seems possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
netbooks vs FreeBSD
Hello, I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD I was told that the new 6 cell Acer Aspire ONEs aren't bad. Could you share your experiences about the following models, please? Or of course, if you have other suggestions, I'm open to them. Acer Aspire one D250-1B Acer Aspire one D150-1B MSI WIND U100-029HU (this one is very tempting because of the 2GB RAM and the 2-year warranty) Thanks in advance, -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: ga...@freebsd.org .:|:. ga...@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
