RE: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
Hi Greg, I seem to have difficulty explaining things to you. The wireless NIC alone costs more than the entire router. How can your approach be cheaper? The NIC's are about $69 here, the routers however start at $200. So for little over $79 i should be in business ... You sent this message to a mailing list. This disclaimer doesn't make any sense. I know, please explain this to our exchange server. It's a company policy on all outgoing mail, inserted at the server level. Regards, Hans -Original Message- From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:04 PM To: Hans Vledder Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ... [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Broken quoting. On Wednesday, 17 September 2003 at 12:30:15 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:49 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Tuesday, 16 September 2003 at 14:10:29 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: On Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:18 PM, Greg Lehey wrote: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Well, this to avoid having to deal with a 'swiss army knife' type of box, just like the one you're describing. Nowadays these boxes have everything in them, and the single thing that they apparently can't do is bake bread. I'd like to put all I need between my local network and the wireless network into a FreeBSD box. Even if it costs you significantly more? Good point, although I have this whole stack of $10 HP Vectra P/166 machines that my core lan setup consists off. All I need basically, is a wireless NIC. I seem to have difficulty explaining things to you. The wireless NIC alone costs more than the entire router. How can your approach be cheaper? The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. You sent this message to a mailing list. This disclaimer doesn't make any sense. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. This message will be archived forever. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers -- The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Broken quoting. On Wednesday, 17 September 2003 at 12:30:15 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: On Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:49 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Tuesday, 16 September 2003 at 14:10:29 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: On Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:18 PM, Greg Lehey wrote: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Well, this to avoid having to deal with a 'swiss army knife' type of box, just like the one you're describing. Nowadays these boxes have everything in them, and the single thing that they apparently can't do is bake bread. I'd like to put all I need between my local network and the wireless network into a FreeBSD box. Even if it costs you significantly more? Good point, although I have this whole stack of $10 HP Vectra P/166 machines that my core lan setup consists off. All I need basically, is a wireless NIC. I seem to have difficulty explaining things to you. The wireless NIC alone costs more than the entire router. How can your approach be cheaper? The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. You sent this message to a mailing list. This disclaimer doesn't make any sense. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. This message will be archived forever. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
Hi Greg, Even if it costs you significantly more? Good point, although I have this whole stack of $10 HP Vectra P/166 machines that my core lan setup consists off. All I need basically, is a wireless NIC. Cheers, Hans -Original Message- From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:49 AM To: Hans Vledder Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ... [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Tuesday, 16 September 2003 at 14:10:29 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: On Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:18 PM, Greg Lehey wrote: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Well, this to avoid having to deal with a 'swiss army knife' type of box, just like the one you're describing. Nowadays these boxes have everything in them, and the single thing that they apparently can't do is bake bread. I'd like to put all I need between my local network and the wireless network into a FreeBSD box. Even if it costs you significantly more? Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers -- The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
Hi Greg, Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Well, this to avoid having to deal with a 'swiss army knife' type of box, just like the one you're describing. Nowadays these boxes have everything in them, and the single thing that they apparently can't do is bake bread. I'd like to put all I need between my local network and the wireless network into a FreeBSD box. Regards, Hans -Original Message- From: Greg Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:18 PM To: Hans Vledder Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ... On Friday, 5 September 2003 at 17:55:14 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: All, I am considering building a 802.11g FreeBSD access point. I've read that I will need a network adapter that supports hostap (access point mode). Does anyone known a brand/model (PCI) that's being supported by FreeBSD ? I don't have a direct answer to this question, but a bit of information: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers -- The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
Vledder, Hans wrote: Hi Greg, Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Well, this to avoid having to deal with a 'swiss army knife' type of box, just like the one you're describing. Nowadays these boxes have everything in them, and the single thing that they apparently can't do is bake bread. Probably depends on how many processors you have -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 08:07 am, Jesse Guardiani wrote: Vledder, Hans wrote: Hi Greg, Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Well, this to avoid having to deal with a 'swiss army knife' type of box, just like the one you're describing. Nowadays these boxes have everything in them, and the single thing that they apparently can't do is bake bread. Probably depends on how many processors you have ..and I thought it was a heat sink issue... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
Hi Hans, If you really want to build an Access Point maybe this links will help you : http://www.live.com/wireless/unix-base-station.html http://www.samag.com/documents/s=7121/sam0205a/sam0205a.htm regards, Sorin Chiorean Network Specialist Computer Partners -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vledder, Hans Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:10 AM To: Greg Lehey Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ... Hi Greg, Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Well, this to avoid having to deal with a 'swiss army knife' type of box, just like the one you're describing. Nowadays these boxes have everything in them, and the single thing that they apparently can't do is bake bread. I'd like to put all I need between my local network and the wireless network into a FreeBSD box. Regards, Hans -Original Message- From: Greg Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:18 PM To: Hans Vledder Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ... On Friday, 5 September 2003 at 17:55:14 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: All, I am considering building a 802.11g FreeBSD access point. I've read that I will need a network adapter that supports hostap (access point mode). Does anyone known a brand/model (PCI) that's being supported by FreeBSD ? I don't have a direct answer to this question, but a bit of information: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers -- The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Tuesday, 16 September 2003 at 14:10:29 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: On Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:18 PM, Greg Lehey wrote: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Well, this to avoid having to deal with a 'swiss army knife' type of box, just like the one you're describing. Nowadays these boxes have everything in them, and the single thing that they apparently can't do is bake bread. I'd like to put all I need between my local network and the wireless network into a FreeBSD box. Even if it costs you significantly more? Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
Greg Lehey wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2003 at 17:55:14 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: All, I am considering building a 802.11g FreeBSD access point. I've read that I will need a network adapter that supports hostap (access point mode). Does anyone known a brand/model (PCI) that's being supported by FreeBSD ? I don't have a direct answer to this question, but a bit of information: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. It depends on what you're doing. For example, if your access point is going to be a Soekris box: http://www.soekris.com/ Then it makes sense to use wireless PC Cards because when the next wireless standard comes out, you can just toss the old card and buy a new one, while preserving your investment in the soekris hardware. Why would you pay $250 for a Soekris box with two PC Card slots instead of a $50 DSL/Cable router that does roughly the same thing? Flexibility, reliability, and power, IMO. I bought a Siemens SpeedStream 802.11b wireless DSL/Cable router for $35 a few months ago for personal office use, but I'd never sell it to a customer. It locks up under moderate load. (Yes, the firmware is up-to-date) I would, however, install a custom FreeBSD or OpenBSD Soekris box at a customer location because I _know_ it'll do the job with BSD reliability, and if the customer's needs change in the future, I can probably adapt the box's hardware/ software to meet them. -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
On Friday, 5 September 2003 at 17:55:14 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: All, I am considering building a 802.11g FreeBSD access point. I've read that I will need a network adapter that supports hostap (access point mode). Does anyone known a brand/model (PCI) that's being supported by FreeBSD ? I don't have a direct answer to this question, but a bit of information: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Greg Lehey wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2003 at 17:55:14 +0200, Hans Vledder wrote: All, I am considering building a 802.11g FreeBSD access point. I've read that I will need a network adapter that supports hostap (access point mode). Does anyone known a brand/model (PCI) that's being supported by FreeBSD ? I don't have a direct answer to this question, but a bit of information: Last weekend I bought a couple of 802.11b/g wireless routers (AirLink, I think). These boxes contain an access point, a four-port Ethernet switch and an additional downlink Ethernet port. They're intended as cable or ADSL gateways, accessed by the downlink port. You can configure the downlink port to access the other networks by NAT or directly, and you can run a mini-firewall if you want. It can also function as a DHCP server. These boxes cost me $80 at Fry's, the same price as a basic 802.11b access point. This weekend I went back to Fry's looking for Atheros-based wireless cards. The cheapest I could find cost $100. Based on that, it's not clear why you would want to build an AP from a wireless card. Greg I think the reason is probably because the other reason to go all Atheros is because it supports the SuperA/G as well which allows 108Mbps raw data or 90Mbps active throughput and that's only possible with Atheros but the routers so far that has Atheros are the D-Link DI-774 and the Netgear FWAG114 and they are atleast $230 each. For PCMCIA and Desktop cards, the Netgear A+G or D-Link A+G has the Atheros inside. Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Vice President __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
Matthias Teege wrote: Vledder, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am considering building a 802.11g FreeBSD access point. I've read that I will need a network adapter that supports hostap (access point mode). Does anyone known a brand/model (PCI) that's being supported by FreeBSD ? Netgear PCI Cards (401a?) are supported but this may change. Look for something with an Atheros chipset. See the ath man page for details: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=athapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+5.1-currentformat=html You'll have to run -CURRENT to drive it though. ath was added after 5.1-RELEASE. -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 802.11g and FreeBSD based access point ...
On Monday 08 September 2003 09:42 am, Jesse Guardiani wrote: Matthias Teege wrote: Vledder, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am considering building a 802.11g FreeBSD access point. I've read that I will need a network adapter that supports hostap (access point mode). Does anyone known a brand/model (PCI) that's being supported by FreeBSD ? Netgear PCI Cards (401a?) are supported but this may change. Look for something with an Atheros chipset. See the ath man page for details: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=athapropos=0sektion=0manpath=Fr eeBSD+5.1-currentformat=html You'll have to run -CURRENT to drive it though. ath was added after 5.1-RELEASE. Another option are D-Link 900AP+. They connect to your ethernet card and can be configured as a wireless access point, client, or wireless bridge. Configuration is done via web browser, so the hardware is fairly OS-neutral. Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Vledder, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am considering building a 802.11g FreeBSD access point. I've read that I will need a network adapter that supports hostap (access point mode). Does anyone known a brand/model (PCI) that's being supported by FreeBSD ? Netgear PCI Cards (401a?) are supported but this may change. Bis dann Matthias -- Matthias Teege -- http://www.mteege.de make world not war PGP-Key auf Anfrage ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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