Re: English only, please
As of Nov 30th, 2005, the following URL: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm Shows, in fact, that Chinese is the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/, sorry to say ... English is the /de facto/ /lingua Internet/ though ... Mandarin and Spanish are the top two languages ... Mandarin by a *very* large margin, Spanish by a close one ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 19:45:45 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? A virtual friend of mine (Kiwi, but don't really know his name) has written this for a programming forum I frequent: To those people for whom English is a foreign language, I can only offer this: English is - for better or worse - the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/. Hmm. I don't want to justify the choice of language, just state it. It's an interesting document, but I don't think it's what we want. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 1/16/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? I don't really mind someone posting a question in another language as long as they realize that most of us will not be able to respond to it. Often enough, I think, there are others out there who can handle that language and they can respond. Hopefully they will not turn it is to a long running exchange on list in some other language. Now, if someone posts a question in something besides English and then begins to rant and flame people for not responding, then it is not acceptable. But, just starting a question here in another language is not so onerous. jerry Agreed. It's not that I don't see Greg's point, I just don't feel that a small percentage of foreign-language messages bring any harm to anyone. I think we'd be much better off if the proponents of such linguistical segregation devoted their time to eradicating real spam. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 1/15/06, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] Cze¶æ vocativus, Nie wiem w czym tkwi problem, ale spróbuj zapytaæ na polskim forum systemów BSD: http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Why? So other people who speak Polish cannot search the archives to discover that there is a Polish language BSD support forum that they can go to? Are you really so elitist that you believe people who speak other languages are not entitled to information? Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At I've been subscribed to this list for nine years, and for most of that time it was explicitly NOT an English-only list. It was stated policy, whenever anyone raised the issue, that postings in any language were welcome, with the caveat that you are far more likely to get help if you post in English. I don't understand why, for the past two years or so, there has been a campaign to convert this to an English-only list. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? What purpose would it serve? Would it do anything other than reduce communication among the BSD community? This is, after all, the email support address that is published with FreeBSD. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 1/15/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't really mind someone posting a question in another language as long as they realize that most of us will not be able to respond to it. Often enough, I think, there are others out there who can handle that language and they can respond. Hopefully they will not turn it is to a long running exchange on list in some other language. Why do you care if they do? That's the part I don't understand. Now, if someone posts a question in something besides English and then begins to rant and flame people for not responding, then it is not acceptable. But, just starting a question here in another language is not so onerous. On the contrary, I think the policy should be that if you are going to flame someone on this list, you MUST do it in a language other than English. That makes it easier to ignore. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 17 Jan 2006 at 10:09, Bob Johnson wrote: On 1/15/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, if someone posts a question in something besides English and then begins to rant and flame people for not responding, then it is not acceptable. But, just starting a question here in another language is not so onerous. On the contrary, I think the policy should be that if you are going to flame someone on this list, you MUST do it in a language other than English. That makes it easier to ignore. Perhaps it could be required that flames be in Klingon. I doubt that there are too man Klingons on the list who would be offended by having their language be the official language of flames. Besides, it seems an appropriate language for flames by its nature, and the limited number of native speakers would certainly limit the number of flame messages. Now, as for enforcement -- Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please
On Jan 15, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: As of Nov 30th, 2005, the following URL: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm Shows, in fact, that Chinese is the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/, sorry to say All depends on how you define it. Almost anyone in the world, when traveling in the world and in a place where they don't speak the native language, will try English... Kind of defeats your statement in many ways Chad ... English is the /de facto/ /lingua Internet/ though ... Mandarin and Spanish are the top two languages ... Mandarin by a *very* large margin, Spanish by a close one ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 19:45:45 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. - questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd- questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? A virtual friend of mine (Kiwi, but don't really know his name) has written this for a programming forum I frequent: To those people for whom English is a foreign language, I can only offer this: English is - for better or worse - the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/. Hmm. I don't want to justify the choice of language, just state it. It's an interesting document, but I don't think it's what we want. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http:// www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 10:48:39PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: As of Nov 30th, 2005, the following URL: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm Shows, in fact, that Chinese is the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/, sorry to say ... English is the /de facto/ /lingua Internet/ though ... Mandarin and Spanish are the top two languages ... Mandarin by a *very* large margin, Spanish by a close one ... As I understand it, in Mongolia, English is rapidly becoming an Official language. [[ Now there's a place to invest.]] (Personally, I'm **still** trying to learn French) gary On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 19:45:45 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? A virtual friend of mine (Kiwi, but don't really know his name) has written this for a programming forum I frequent: To those people for whom English is a foreign language, I can only offer this: English is - for better or worse - the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/. Hmm. I don't want to justify the choice of language, just state it. It's an interesting document, but I don't think it's what we want. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the new 2 in 1 shampoo (compression of english only please and what is the best between tux and beastie)
Allright, sorry for that post. (cut here)-- - Gary, tu veux des lecons de francais ? (you want french lessons) :) - I am reading this ML for a few months now and it is (if I remember) the third freebsd vs linux discussion. Now imagine I just want all of you to loose time (even a little), I wait for a week or two and post a new What do you think about Tux or Beastie. The sure thing is that there is many and many and many pages dealing with that on the net and for sure even in Polish. This ML is not too much to read but if everyone search more than a little bit on Google, it could get more efficient. talking to newbies : I may be the less experimented in the FBSD world but I search for nights all alone and find something interesting in the end. However, I am very interested about differences between wheelbarrow and dumptruck. I prefer the dumptruck, definitely. --(cut here)-- sorry again for that post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 1/17/06, Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: man Klingons No manual entry for Klingons they hate it when you try that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please
On Jan 15, 2006, at 6:29 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 19:45:45 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. - questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd- questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? A virtual friend of mine (Kiwi, but don't really know his name) has written this for a programming forum I frequent: To those people for whom English is a foreign language, I can only offer this: English is - for better or worse - the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/. Hmm. I don't want to justify the choice of language, just state it. It's an interesting document, but I don't think it's what we want. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. I think it would most likely be a better idea for people who speak other languages than English to post to other mailing lists. I don't form my opinion from an elitism point of view, but rather just recognize the fact that their problem or question would be answered more quickly by a community converses in their own native language as opposed to an English speaking community. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] Cze¶æ vocativus, Nie wiem w czym tkwi problem, ale spróbuj zapytaæ na polskim forum systemów BSD: http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpvru2bFcInQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? I don't really mind someone posting a question in another language as long as they realize that most of us will not be able to respond to it. Often enough, I think, there are others out there who can handle that language and they can respond. Hopefully they will not turn it is to a long running exchange on list in some other language. Now, if someone posts a question in something besides English and then begins to rant and flame people for not responding, then it is not acceptable. But, just starting a question here in another language is not so onerous. jerry Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --SA70dWWv8Z+SnoUH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDytSKIubykFB6QiMRAuglAJ0TCv8myrrOtPQzb2ryP7mQKjFB1wCghtw/ qV3CukL8rFshuVl2JJ1yW5g= =67AN -END PGP SIGNATURE- --SA70dWWv8Z+SnoUH-- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: snipped Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? Greg A virtual friend of mine (Kiwi, but don't really know his name) has written this for a programming forum I frequent: To those people for whom English is a foreign language, I can only offer this: English is - for better or worse - the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/. Accidents of history (the British Empire, the U.S. free market) have made English the standard language for international communication. I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, of course, and it /is/ nice to have a common language. But I can tell you that I'd rather try and read something that has been run through a babelfish translator (like those at Altavista and Google) than some of the verbal sewage that some native English speakers seem to think is acceptable. I suppose I could ask him if his quote is BSD-licensed, or compatible. ;-) KDK -- A well-known friend is a treasure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please
On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 19:45:45 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? A virtual friend of mine (Kiwi, but don't really know his name) has written this for a programming forum I frequent: To those people for whom English is a foreign language, I can only offer this: English is - for better or worse - the /de facto/ /lingua Terra/. Hmm. I don't want to justify the choice of language, just state it. It's an interesting document, but I don't think it's what we want. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpROUGdeWioi.pgp Description: PGP signature
