Re: File permissions - how to lock a directory

2012-09-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.comwrote:

 I have a particularly thorny problem I'm trying to solve, but I'll bet
 FreeBSD has a solution.

 I'm running a webserver using suphp.  It's very picky about permissions.
 It wants the web server user (www) to be the owner of all directories and
 files.

 Meanwhile, the site owners want to be able to update and add files to the
 site.  When they update files everything is fine.  When they upload new
 files, the ownership of the file is user:user instead of www:user, so
 apache can't display them.

 Is there a way to lock a directory such that all files created in that
 directory are owned by the directory owner?  If not, I'll have to script
 something to change perms after uploads.


There is the suiddir option, see mount(8) and chmod(2).

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Re: GUI for file permissions management

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas Adam
2009/11/19 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com:
 Someone asked me recently whether a GUI for file permissions management

Anything like:  mc, worker, rox, etc?

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Re: GUI for file permissions management

2009-11-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 08:22:17AM +, Thomas Adam wrote:
 2009/11/19 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com:
  Someone asked me recently whether a GUI for file permissions management
 
 Anything like:  mc, worker, rox, etc?

Those are all filesystem browsers/managers -- right?  I've already told
the person who asked that many such applications have that kind of
functionality.  In my initial question to this list, I said:

  I know that some filesystem browser applications like Nautilus
  provide at least some of that kind of functionality, but wondered if
  there was a somewhat simple, stand-alone GUI that covered that kind
  of thing out there.

Do you know if there's anything like *that* available, rather than an
entire filesystem browser/manager application that just happens to also
have a way to change permissions on files and directories?

Also . . . do any of the applications you mentioned provide a way to
manage things like umasks or home directory default permissions?  In my
original post to this list, I had also mentioned that sort of thing:

   login.conf or adduser.conf configuration

. . . though I'm not holding my breath on that.  I rather suspect
managing umasks in login.conf and user directory default permissions in
adduser.conf is not something anyone has bothered to incorporate in a GUI
interface.

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Re: GUI for file permissions management

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas Adam
2009/11/19 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com:
 Those are all filesystem browsers/managers -- right?  I've already told
 the person who asked that many such applications have that kind of
 functionality.  In my initial question to this list, I said:

I know what you mentioned -- unfortunately you're only going to find
what you want as *part* of something much larger -- in this case a
file manager.  And in the examples I gave, those are considered
light-weight, especially midnight commander.

 Do you know if there's anything like *that* available, rather than an
 entire filesystem browser/manager application that just happens to also
 have a way to change permissions on files and directories?

See above.  I have never come across anything standalone, and at this
point, given your somewhat unique requirements, you might be better
off writing one yourself perhaps in Tk or something.  :)

 Also . . . do any of the applications you mentioned provide a way to
 manage things like umasks or home directory default permissions?  In my
 original post to this list, I had also mentioned that sort of thing:

This would be more beneficial as a shell setting -- changing one's
umask at the drop of a hat is almost always the wrong thing to do.

   login.conf or adduser.conf configuration

 . . . though I'm not holding my breath on that.  I rather suspect
 managing umasks in login.conf and user directory default permissions in
 adduser.conf is not something anyone has bothered to incorporate in a GUI
 interface.

Correct, see above.  It's not something one would interactively
change. especially as it's a shell setting -- so this GUI app would
have  a hard time enforcing it (c.f. interactive shell instances
already open.)

Kindly,

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Re: GUI for file permissions management

2009-11-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 07:23:33PM +, Thomas Adam wrote:
 2009/11/19 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com:
  Those are all filesystem browsers/managers -- right?  I've already told
  the person who asked that many such applications have that kind of
  functionality.  In my initial question to this list, I said:
 
 I know what you mentioned -- unfortunately you're only going to find
 what you want as *part* of something much larger -- in this case a
 file manager.  And in the examples I gave, those are considered
 light-weight, especially midnight commander.
 
  Do you know if there's anything like *that* available, rather than an
  entire filesystem browser/manager application that just happens to also
  have a way to change permissions on files and directories?
 
 See above.  I have never come across anything standalone, and at this
 point, given your somewhat unique requirements, you might be better
 off writing one yourself perhaps in Tk or something.  :)

I was afraid that might be the case.  I guess the filesystem browser
approach and the desktop environment approach are the only options
available to the person who asked the question, then -- at least unless
and until I develop the urge to write a permissions management GUI that
I'll probably never use myself.  Thanks for confirming my suspicions.


 
  Also . . . do any of the applications you mentioned provide a way to
  manage things like umasks or home directory default permissions?  In my
  original post to this list, I had also mentioned that sort of thing:
 
 This would be more beneficial as a shell setting -- changing one's
 umask at the drop of a hat is almost always the wrong thing to do.

It's not so much for the purpose of being able to change it at the drop
of a hat that the person asked me about this, I think.  He just wants to
be able to do everything without ever having to touch a configuration
file directly.  While I think that's probably the wrong way to do it,
some people just refuse to take a different approach, and I still feel
the urge to try to be helpful when someone asks how he can do something.


 
    login.conf or adduser.conf configuration
 
  . . . though I'm not holding my breath on that.  I rather suspect
  managing umasks in login.conf and user directory default permissions in
  adduser.conf is not something anyone has bothered to incorporate in a GUI
  interface.
 
 Correct, see above.  It's not something one would interactively
 change. especially as it's a shell setting -- so this GUI app would
 have  a hard time enforcing it (c.f. interactive shell instances
 already open.)

I don't think he cares as much about *enforcing* it as about setting
defaults that can be overridden on a case-by-case basis, rather than
having to override a default he doesn't want in almost every case.

Anyway . . . thanks again for the responses.  I'll just add some
confirmation of my suspicion that nothing like what I asked about exists
to my repertoire of knowledge.

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GUI for file permissions management

2009-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
Someone asked me recently whether a GUI for file permissions management
(front end for stuff like umask, chmod, and maybe even login.conf or
adduser.conf configuration) exists.  I know that some filesystem browser
applications like Nautilus provide at least some of that kind of
functionality, but wondered if there was a somewhat simple, stand-alone
GUI that covered that kind of thing out there.  I seem to be using the
wrong search terms for Google and `cd /usr/ports; make search key=foo`,
because I haven't been able to nail down anything like that.  Must one be
a KDE or Gnome user to get that kind of tool?

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Default file permissions

2008-11-04 Thread Roey D
I have a server running Azureus to download torrent files. The Azureus
directory is accessible to other computers using samba.
Azureus dumps it's completed files with the 644 permissions, making
them writable only for the owner.
As far as I looked, Azureus cannot be configured to dump it's files
with different permissions.
Is there any way to apply a Inherited file permissions on a specific
directory? (i.e all files created on this folder will have a specific
permission set, unless specifically changed by some application)
 I prefer doing this with the classic permission system, rather then using ACLs.

Thanks,
Roey
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Re: Default file permissions

2008-11-04 Thread Roey D
2008/11/4 Dánielisz László [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Roey, you can do a chron to chmod the downloaded directory.


Did you mean using cron?
I'm not very familiar with that, but as far as I know cron jobs can
run at specifc times, not on specifc events.
Creating a cron job that runs every 5 minutes for chmod sounds a bit
like a waste of CPU, and the effect will occur every 5 minutes, not
immidietly when a file is downloaded.
umask command seems to do the trick. Thanks.

Roey
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Re: Default file permissions

2008-11-04 Thread Dánielisz László
Roey, you can do a chron to chmod the downloaded directory.





From: Roey D [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:00:24 AM
Subject: Default file permissions

I have a server running Azureus to download torrent files. The Azureus
directory is accessible to other computers using samba.
Azureus dumps it's completed files with the 644 permissions, making
them writable only for the owner.
As far as I looked, Azureus cannot be configured to dump it's files
with different permissions.
Is there any way to apply a Inherited file permissions on a specific
directory? (i.e all files created on this folder will have a specific
permission set, unless specifically changed by some application)
I prefer doing this with the classic permission system, rather then using ACLs.

Thanks,
Roey
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Re: Default file permissions

2008-11-04 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 10:00:24AM +0200, Roey D wrote:
 I have a server running Azureus to download torrent files. The Azureus
 directory is accessible to other computers using samba.
 Azureus dumps it's completed files with the 644 permissions, making
 them writable only for the owner.
 As far as I looked, Azureus cannot be configured to dump it's files
 with different permissions.
 Is there any way to apply a Inherited file permissions on a specific
 directory? (i.e all files created on this folder will have a specific
 permission set, unless specifically changed by some application)
  I prefer doing this with the classic permission system, rather then using 
 ACLs.

See umask(2), which is also a command-line utility.

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Re: Default file permissions

2008-11-04 Thread Dánielisz László
Yeah, I meant, cron.
May umask sound better, if you find out the best solution for your issue please 
let us know :)

Thank you!





From: Roey D [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:49:10 AM
Subject: Re: Default file permissions

2008/11/4 Dánielisz László [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Roey, you can do a chron to chmod the downloaded directory.


Did you mean using cron?
I'm not very familiar with that, but as far as I know cron jobs can
run at specifc times, not on specifc events.
Creating a cron job that runs every 5 minutes for chmod sounds a bit
like a waste of CPU, and the effect will occur every 5 minutes, not
immidietly when a file is downloaded.
umask command seems to do the trick. Thanks.

Roey
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Re: Preserving file permissions with dump and restore

2008-02-06 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 12:44:49AM -0500, Francois-Xavier Charpentier de 
Beauville wrote:

 Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have a box with three hard drives:
 /dev/da0 - dedicated to the OS
 /dev/ad4s1e - data drive - mounted as /store
 /dev/ad5s1e - hold a backup of /dev/ad4 - mounted as /backup
 
 I used 'dump' to backup everything from /store to /backup with the 
 following command:
 dump -0aun -f /backup/fullbackup /store
 
 As expected, the result is a dump file called 'fullbackup'
 
 Then I tested a restore, by restoring the fullbackup file from 
 /backup to /store.  I did the following:
 1) made /store pristine: newfs -U /dev/ad4s1e
 2) mounted /dev/ad4s1e on /store
 3) cd into /store
 4) ran the command: restore -r -uv -f /backup/fullbackup
 5) remove 'restoresymtable' from /store
 
 Thanks in advance for your help
 
 you did restore as root? (i think so but just for sure)
 
 it is something wrong with restore then, i used it many times and it 
 restore everything.
 
 
 anyway - rsync is good tool to make exact copy of directory tree
 
 Actually yes, I did restore as root.  All ownership info and permissions 
 are reset during restore, and none of the original permissions are 
 back.  This kind of weird since the OS drive hasn't changed.  So, there 
 are the same users setup on the system.  Any thoughts?

Well, dump/restore should result in permissions and flags and
everything being as before the dump.   I have done the equivalent
many many times and not seen any loss of permissions or flags or
change of ownership.

When the restore finished, did it ask you about setting owner/permissions
on . ?If so, answer no. That is the only thing I can think of.

jerry

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Re: Preserving file permissions with dump and restore

2008-02-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar

1) made /store pristine: newfs -U /dev/ad4s1e
2) mounted /dev/ad4s1e on /store
3) cd into /store
4) ran the command: restore -r -uv -f /backup/fullbackup
5) remove 'restoresymtable' from /store

Thanks in advance for your help


you did restore as root? (i think so but just for sure)

it is something wrong with restore then, i used it many times and it 
restore everything.



anyway - rsync is good tool to make exact copy of directory tree
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Re: Preserving file permissions with dump and restore

2008-02-05 Thread Francois-Xavier Charpentier de Beauville



Wojciech Puchar wrote:

Hi,

I have a box with three hard drives:
/dev/da0 - dedicated to the OS
/dev/ad4s1e - data drive - mounted as /store
/dev/ad5s1e - hold a backup of /dev/ad4 - mounted as /backup

I used 'dump' to backup everything from /store to /backup with the 
following command:

dump -0aun -f /backup/fullbackup /store

As expected, the result is a dump file called 'fullbackup'

Then I tested a restore, by restoring the fullbackup file from 
/backup to /store.  I did the following:

1) made /store pristine: newfs -U /dev/ad4s1e
2) mounted /dev/ad4s1e on /store
3) cd into /store
4) ran the command: restore -r -uv -f /backup/fullbackup
5) remove 'restoresymtable' from /store

Thanks in advance for your help


you did restore as root? (i think so but just for sure)

it is something wrong with restore then, i used it many times and it 
restore everything.



anyway - rsync is good tool to make exact copy of directory tree

Actually yes, I did restore as root.  All ownership info and permissions 
are reset during restore, and none of the original permissions are 
back.  This kind of weird since the OS drive hasn't changed.  So, there 
are the same users setup on the system.  Any thoughts?

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Preserving file permissions with dump and restore

2008-02-04 Thread Francois-Xavier Charpentier de Beauville

Hi,

I have a box with three hard drives:
/dev/da0 - dedicated to the OS
/dev/ad4s1e - data drive - mounted as /store
/dev/ad5s1e - hold a backup of /dev/ad4 - mounted as /backup

I used 'dump' to backup everything from /store to /backup with the 
following command:

dump -0aun -f /backup/fullbackup /store

As expected, the result is a dump file called 'fullbackup'

Then I tested a restore, by restoring the fullbackup file from /backup 
to /store.  I did the following:

1) made /store pristine: newfs -U /dev/ad4s1e
2) mounted /dev/ad4s1e on /store
3) cd into /store
4) ran the command: restore -r -uv -f /backup/fullbackup
5) remove 'restoresymtable' from /store

The restore went fine and I had all the files back.  However, all file 
permissions were gone.  How can I preserve file permissions with dump / 
restore?


Thanks in advance for your help
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File permissions

2005-02-23 Thread Gareth Bailey
Hi there,

I need to set permissions on the /www/data-dist directory such that
when samba users create new files in it the ownership of the files
will automatically be set to www.

How might i do this. I've had a look at the chmod and sticky manpages
with no luck.

Thanks,
Gareth
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Re: File permissions

2005-02-23 Thread Mike Hauber
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 03:46 am, Gareth Bailey wrote:
 Hi there,

 I need to set permissions on the /www/data-dist directory such
 that when samba users create new files in it the ownership of
 the files will automatically be set to www.

 How might i do this. I've had a look at the chmod and sticky
 manpages with no luck.

 Thanks,
 Gareth

man smb.conf

I think you want to force group = www
for the shares you want owned by www.

hth,

Mike
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Re: question about SAMBA shared directory and file permissions

2004-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i found out a very important thing.
one is best off having the top directory owned by the group you want to 
have access. mine was owned by wheel. no problem for those of us in that 
particular group!



Peter Risdon wrote:

Peter Risdon wrote:

There's a useful guide to configuring samba at:

http://hr.oregon.edu/davidrl/samba/server.html


Whoops.

http://hr.uoregon.edu/davidrl/samba/server.html

PWR.

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question about SAMBA shared directory and file permissions

2004-04-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,

i have been having problems with a SAMBA shared directory and user 
permissions. My smb.conf file is simple and allows for members of 
'wwwdev' access the directory, and they can when i test it, but we get 
all kinds of problems with the permissions on various files and directories:

//
[wwwdev]
comment = Virtual Web Servers HTTP dirs
path = /usr/wwwdev
create mode = 0765
valid users = @wwwdev
//
i assume this is a ownership issue on the unix file system side, 
although i have opened up the permissions to 'pants down in public' 
level 

drwxrwxrwx
-rwxrwxrwx
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Re: question about SAMBA shared directory and file permissions

2004-04-17 Thread Peter Risdon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

i have been having problems with a SAMBA shared directory and user 
permissions. My smb.conf file is simple and allows for members of 
'wwwdev' access the directory, and they can when i test it, but we get 
all kinds of problems with the permissions on various files and 
directories:


It would help if you said exactly what those problems are.

//
[wwwdev]
comment = Virtual Web Servers HTTP dirs
path = /usr/wwwdev
create mode = 0765
valid users = @wwwdev
//


You might also need to set the directory mode on the share.



i assume this is a ownership issue on the unix file system side, 
although i have opened up the permissions to 'pants down in public' 
level 

drwxrwxrwx
-rwxrwxrwx


So, what is the problem? Do these permissions and/or the file ownerships 
get altered when accessed by a Windows client?

PWR.
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Re: question about SAMBA shared directory and file permissions

2004-04-17 Thread Anthony carmody


Peter Risdon wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

i have been having problems with a SAMBA shared directory and user 
permissions. My smb.conf file is simple and allows for members of 
'wwwdev' access the directory, and they can when i test it, but we get 
all kinds of problems with the permissions on various files and 
directories:


It would help if you said exactly what those problems are.
sure. i realised i didn't explain just after i sent the mail. doh!

ok: i want really open access 'a-la-windows' style to all files under a 
certain directory tree to users in a particular group. at the moment, i 
am having to chown all files over to whom ever is editing them at any 
given time.

//
[wwwdev]
comment = Virtual Web Servers HTTP dirs
path = /usr/wwwdev
create mode = 0765
valid users = @wwwdev
//


You might also need to set the directory mode on the share.
cool, what would you suggest?



i assume this is a ownership issue on the unix file system side, 
although i have opened up the permissions to 'pants down in public' 
level 

drwxrwxrwx
-rwxrwxrwx


So, what is the problem? Do these permissions and/or the file ownerships 
get altered when accessed by a Windows client?
i would have assumed that because the two users were in the same group 
they could access the same files in turn without chown-ing.
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Re: question about SAMBA shared directory and file permissions

2004-04-17 Thread Peter Risdon
Anthony carmody wrote:



Peter Risdon wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

i have been having problems with a SAMBA shared directory and user 
permissions. My smb.conf file is simple and allows for members of 
'wwwdev' access the directory, and they can when i test it, but we 
get all kinds of problems with the permissions on various files and 
directories:




It would help if you said exactly what those problems are.


sure. i realised i didn't explain just after i sent the mail. doh!

ok: i want really open access 'a-la-windows' style to all files under 
a certain directory tree to users in a particular group. at the 
moment, i am having to chown all files over to whom ever is editing 
them at any given time.


I was thinking more of what happens to file permissions when a file is 
accessed by a samba user. Say they start at something like:

#ls -l

-rwxrw-r-x   1 pwr  wwwdev 637 Apr 17 09:01 testfile

So all members of the wwwdev group have write permission. After access 
by user pwr do they change? Maybe to:

-rwxrw-r-x   1 pwr  pwr 637 Apr 17 09:01 testfile




//
[wwwdev]
comment = Virtual Web Servers HTTP dirs
path = /usr/wwwdev
create mode = 0765
valid users = @wwwdev
//




You might also need to set the directory mode on the share.


cool, what would you suggest?


See below.




i assume this is a ownership issue on the unix file system side, 
although i have opened up the permissions to 'pants down in public' 
level 

drwxrwxrwx
-rwxrwxrwx




So, what is the problem? Do these permissions and/or the file 
ownerships get altered when accessed by a Windows client?


i would have assumed that because the two users were in the same group 
they could access the same files in turn without chown-ing.


There's a useful guide to configuring samba at:

http://hr.oregon.edu/davidrl/samba/server.html

And it deals with a similar configuration to the one you're seeking.

But working on a guess that your problem stems from the group flag of a 
file being changed to that of the user who accesses it, you might try 
adding:

create mode 0774  # Windows clients that seems to require the extra bit

directory mode = 0775 #so that new directories are created with the 
right permissions

force group = +wwwdev  # so that all file activity is carried out as 
this user

HTH.

PWR
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Re: question about SAMBA shared directory and file permissions

2004-04-17 Thread Peter Risdon
Peter Risdon wrote:

There's a useful guide to configuring samba at:

http://hr.oregon.edu/davidrl/samba/server.html


Whoops.

http://hr.uoregon.edu/davidrl/samba/server.html

PWR.
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Re: question about SAMBA shared directory and file permissions

2004-04-17 Thread Peter Risdon
Peter Risdon wrote:

create mode 0774  # Windows clients that seems to require the extra bit

And just to correct my own gibberish (maybe I need some coffee):

create mode = 0774  # Windows clients seem to require the extra bit

PWR.
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Re: question about SAMBA shared directory and file permissions

2004-04-17 Thread Eric Heintzberger
This is how I would do it, assuming I understand you correctly:

[wwwdev]
comment = Virtual Web Servers HTTP dirs
path = /usr/wwwdev
browseable = yes
# So that new files are created with 0664 mode --
force create mode = 0664
# So that new directories are created with 0775 mode --
force directory mode = 0775
force group = wwwdev
# Set this to yes (default) if you use the DOS archive bit for backups 
# Otherwise, set it to no to get rid of unintended executable bits 
# being set in non-executable files 
map archive = no
printable = no
public = no
valid users = @wwwdev
writable = yes

Also, reset all permissions and group ownerships in /usr/wwwdev to the
intended values. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 i have been having problems with a SAMBA shared directory and user 
 permissions. My smb.conf file is simple and allows for members of 
 'wwwdev' access the directory, and they can when i test it, but we get 
 all kinds of problems with the permissions on various files and directories:
 
 //
 [wwwdev]
   comment = Virtual Web Servers HTTP dirs
   path = /usr/wwwdev
   create mode = 0765
   valid users = @wwwdev
 //
 
 
 i assume this is a ownership issue on the unix file system side, 
 although i have opened up the permissions to 'pants down in public' 
 level 
 
 drwxrwxrwx
 -rwxrwxrwx
 
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built-in ftpd and uploaded file permissions

2003-09-12 Thread Sergei Vyshenski
Dear experts,

Using built-in ftpd,
is it possible to control permissions of uploaded files
for user anonymous?
Files, uploaded by anonymous, have permissions 644
irrespective of mask values requested by
1) option -u for ftpd, and
2) from file login.conf
I would prefer to have 660 for uploaded files, as
input directory has --Srwx-wx mode.
Thank you very much for any comment.
Sergei
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Re: File permissions suddenly change for /dev/null.

2003-09-03 Thread Ed Alley

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Ed Alley wrote:

 I'm running FreeBSD-4.8. Sometimes the file permissions for /dev/null
 gets mysteriously changed by some unknown process to:

crw--- 1 root wheel 2, 2 Sep 2 11:20 /dev/null

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, David Landgren wrote:

 ..., the moral of the story is, what have you installed recently?

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Matthew Seaman wrote:

 ... It would have to be a root-owned process ...

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Scott Kupferschmidt wrote:

 I had the same problem and still unable to figure it out..

I thankyou all for the above comments. They were helpful to
me in finding the problem: When I thought about it for a
time I realized that it happens on days that I was doing
administrative work as ROOT!

It was NETSCAPE! running under root. It turns out that
I periodically tweak our router via Netscape. If I happen to
be logged in as root on my FreeBSD terminal when I log into
the router with Netscape, then after I'm finished with my
work and close Netscape, I find that the permissions on
/dev/null have been reset to: crw---.
I'm running Netscape-4.76. I also have a late
version of Mozilla installed which doesn't seem to
mangle the file permissions on /dev/null the way Netscape
does. I also don't need to be logged in as root when I
run Netscape to tweak the router, it just happens that
when I'm doing other administrative stuff I think to
look at the router also. (:-)

Ed Alley
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File permissions suddenly change for /dev/null.

2003-09-02 Thread Ed Alley

I'm running FreeBSD-4.8. Sometimes the file permissions for /dev/null get
mysteriously changed by some unknown process to:

crw--- 1 root wheel 2, 2 Sep 2 11:20 /dev/null

This has a devastating effect on user processes that want to open
/dev/null. Whenever my system starts acting funny, the first place
I look is at the permissions for /dev/null. When I find them changed
I go under root and execute:

chmod 666 /dev/null

to get things back to normal.

Has anybody seen this before? Have I got a hidden umask set up
wrong somewhere, or is one of my daemons the culprit? Or could
it be happening during the time that I run as root doing
system maintenance?

Ed Alley

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Re: File permissions suddenly change for /dev/null.

2003-09-02 Thread Adam McLaurin
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 14:32, Ed Alley wrote:
 I'm running FreeBSD-4.8. Sometimes the file permissions for /dev/null get
 mysteriously changed by some unknown process to:
 
   crw--- 1 root wheel 2, 2 Sep 2 11:20 /dev/null

That's very strange indeed. Have you tried using chflags to prevent the
permissions from being changed? This should do the trick, albeit a dirty
hack.

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Re: File permissions suddenly change for /dev/null.

2003-09-02 Thread David Landgren
Ed Alley wrote:
I'm running FreeBSD-4.8. Sometimes the file permissions for /dev/null get
mysteriously changed by some unknown process to:
	crw--- 1 root wheel 2, 2 Sep 2 11:20 /dev/null

This has a devastating effect on user processes that want to open
/dev/null. Whenever my system starts acting funny, the first place
I look is at the permissions for /dev/null. When I find them changed
I go under root and execute:
	chmod 666 /dev/null

to get things back to normal.

Has anybody seen this before? Have I got a hidden umask set up
wrong somewhere, or is one of my daemons the culprit? Or could
it be happening during the time that I run as root doing
system maintenance?
The only time I've had something like this happen to me was when I 
installed Frontpage Extension for Apache. Come to think of it, it was on 
a Solaris box, but no matter.

Apache has two vestigal config files that no longer serve any real 
purpose, srm.conf and access.conf. There are two schools of thought 
about what to do about this. The first school says to have those files 
sitting in the filesystem, but empty. The second says that the 
configuration directives in httpd.conf that refer to those files should 
point to /dev/null instead, and not have any other config files.

I subscribe to the latter idea: it makes for a cleaner conf/ directory.

Unfortunately, Frontpage Extensions, in Microsoft's oh-so-typical 
couldn't give a fuck about anyone else way actually wants to put some 
kind of garbage in the access.conf file. Morons, the rest of the world 
hasn't been doing that for at least six years by my count.

Anyway, rather than bombing out, the script managed to mangle /dev/null 
utterly, and turned it into

	-rw-rw-rw 1 root wheel 2, 2 Sep 2 11:20 /dev/null

I.e., a *plain* file! This symptoms this produced were really bizarre. 
As it turned out, /dev/null on Solaris is a soft link to the real device 
in /device (which may be why the FPE install script was able to trash 
it). It was easily repaired by restoring the symlink.

Anyway, the moral of the story is, what have you installed recently?

David

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file permissions

2002-11-05 Thread m

 Hi all, I was wondering if it is good or bad to set permission to
something like 750...

 that's to say, 0 for users.

Is this good paranoia? have you had any problems, have you tried this?
thanks. CC please.
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Re: file permissions

2002-11-05 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2002-11-05 23:34, m [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all, I was wondering if it is good or bad to set permission to
 something like 750...

Whose permissions?

 That's to say, 0 for users.

The most secure system is the one that is offline, not connected to a
power cable, and locked in a room that you have thrown away the key
into a deep ocean gorge.  Real systems need to provide a certain
level of functionality though, and that's where compromises need to be
made, in a careful, well thought out manner.

If the users don't have any permission on any file on your system, you
might as well delete their accounts.  It won't make any difference.

 Is this good paranoia? have you had any problems,
 have you tried this?

You really should provide more details.  Have we tried what?

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Re: file permissions

2002-11-05 Thread m
  Is this good paranoia? have you had any problems,
  have you tried this?
 
 You really should provide more details.  Have we tried what?

 I don't want to remove ALL access to a file, I want the owner and the
groups to use it, but not world or anyone.

 - rwxrwx - - -

 This question arose because I use a shared hosting. Bye.




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