Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-22 Thread Alex Zbyslaw

DSA - JCR wrote:



I have read it and downloaded, but it seems to be something obsolete (v.
3.5 is from 2004) and I suspect they hasn't made nothing new.
 

It supports NFSv3 and TCP mounts which (right now) is all you want.  
We'll see if MS start to support NFSv4, but right now, IIRC, even BSD 
may not support that fully. 

The thing about software, is that if it works, it doesn't need 
updating.  NFS does not get 38 new features a fortnight so doesn't need 
patching all the time.  If the software worked in 2004, and the standard 
didn't change, MS would have no need to update anything.


I cannot say that MS NFS works fine, because I am still evaluating it 
myself.  I can say that googling *didn't* turn up millions of problems.  
So it's probably the case that since this is a relatively 
straightforward protocol with a well defined standard (RFC), even MS 
could find competent programmers to implement it.


--Alex


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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-20 Thread DSA - JCR


 I am mounting a NFS server (FreeBSD 6.1 amd64) for a MS Windows Network
  for a customer and I see that I can not see the NFS server from windows
 boxes.

 Must I install Samba for that? or anything in the MS Windows boxes?
 I thougth that Windows understand NFS but seems to be not.


I've never actually done this, but I read about it because it is something
I want to do, at least temporarily, as I migrate from Windows to FreeBSD.
(Ironically all the Microsft documentation on the subject assumes you are
migrating the other way!) However, I think you need to search Microsoft's
site, and look up how to install their 'Client for NFS' (or 'Gateway for
NFS' depending on your network)


I have read it and downloaded, but it seems to be something obsolete (v.
3.5 is from 2004) and I suspect they hasn't made nothing new.

BTW, Not only assumes you are migrating to MS, but also says it is cheaper
MS world than UNIX world !!!  ;D

incredible !!!


best regards

Juan Coruña
Desarrollo de Software Atlantico





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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-20 Thread DSA - JCR
HI all and thanks for your answers

My main goal is to have a system in which the local network can get access
to the file repository, and also thay can get access from their homes to
them (only get a file from server, work on it, and post it to the server).

For this reason I thougth in NFS only and FTP for remote access.

As the pc clients runs on Windows XP, they are ingeniers and have programs
for MS, I think I must install Samba, but NFS is (I think) stronger than
Samba in protecting files.

Can I have the two? NFS and Samba?

BTW, the last version of UFS (NFS of MS) is 3.5 of 2004. I don't know if
will fit correctly.


best regards

Juan Coruña
Desarrollo de Software Atlantico



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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-20 Thread Olivier Nicole
 Can I have the two? NFS and Samba?

There is no reason you can't.

I run NFS between Unix machines and Samba with MS world.

But there could be strange results if on Xp machines connects to the
same file using both NFS and Samba at same time.

Olivier
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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-20 Thread Garrett Cooper

On Jun 20, 2006, at 2:04 AM, Olivier Nicole wrote:


Can I have the two? NFS and Samba?


There is no reason you can't.

I run NFS between Unix machines and Samba with MS world.

But there could be strange results if on Xp machines connects to the
same file using both NFS and Samba at same time.

Olivier


I would think that the hosting OS would know how to deal with both,  
since NFS mounts are treated no differently from Samba mounts  
superficially (each has their own separate drive letter, etc).


Cygwin also offers an NFS client if you want to look into that as  
well. SFU offers mount_nfs/nfsd for windows, which is basically  
unheard of using anything else.


-Garrett
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NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-19 Thread DSA - JCR
Hi all

I am mounting a NFS server (FreeBSD 6.1 amd64) for a MS Windows Network
for a customer and I see that I can not see the NFS server from windows
boxes.

Must I install Samba for that? or anything in the MS Windows boxes?
I thougth that Windows understand NFS but seems to be not.


best regards and thanks in advance

Juan Coruña
Desarrollo de Software Atlantico



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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-19 Thread Kevin Kinsey

DSA - JCR wrote:

Hi all

I am mounting a NFS server (FreeBSD 6.1 amd64) for a MS Windows Network
for a customer and I see that I can not see the NFS server from windows
boxes.

Must I install Samba for that? or anything in the MS Windows boxes?
I thougth that Windows understand NFS but seems to be not.


I'm not sure if you *must* install Samba, but I am not aware
of an alternative OTTOMH.  Windows speaks SMB by default; anything
else would be an add in.

We use Samba successfully at most of our locations.

Kevin Kinsey

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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-19 Thread Barnaby Scott
On Mon, June 19, 2006 9:17 pm, DSA - JCR wrote:
 Hi all


 I am mounting a NFS server (FreeBSD 6.1 amd64) for a MS Windows Network
  for a customer and I see that I can not see the NFS server from windows
 boxes.

 Must I install Samba for that? or anything in the MS Windows boxes?
 I thougth that Windows understand NFS but seems to be not.



 best regards and thanks in advance

 Juan Coruña
 Desarrollo de Software Atlantico

I've never actually done this, but I read about it because it is something
I want to do, at least temporarily, as I migrate from Windows to FreeBSD.
(Ironically all the Microsft documentation on the subject assumes you are
migrating the other way!) However, I think you need to search Microsoft's
site, and look up how to install their 'Client for NFS' (or 'Gateway for
NFS' depending on your network)



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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-19 Thread Jona Joachim
DSA - JCR wrote:
 Hi all
 
 I am mounting a NFS server (FreeBSD 6.1 amd64) for a MS Windows Network
 for a customer and I see that I can not see the NFS server from windows
 boxes.
 
 Must I install Samba for that? or anything in the MS Windows boxes?
 I thougth that Windows understand NFS but seems to be not.

There is a commercial solution called Reflection by WRQ. Reflection is
a suite of tools to access Unix services from Windows boxes.

http://www.wrq.com/products/reflection/nfs_client/

Best regards
Jona

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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-19 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006, DSA - JCR wrote:
Hi all

I am mounting a NFS server (FreeBSD 6.1 amd64) for a MS Windows Network
for a customer and I see that I can not see the NFS server from windows
boxes.

Must I install Samba for that? or anything in the MS Windows boxes?
I thougth that Windows understand NFS but seems to be not.

AFAIK Windows requires additional software to access NFS file
systems.  Samba makes directories available to Windows' native
networking so requires no additional software on Windows.

Bill
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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-19 Thread FBSD_UG


On 19 jun 2006, at 22:17, DSA - JCR wrote:


Hi all

I am mounting a NFS server (FreeBSD 6.1 amd64) for a MS Windows  
Network
for a customer and I see that I can not see the NFS server from  
windows

boxes.

Must I install Samba for that? or anything in the MS Windows boxes?
I thougth that Windows understand NFS but seems to be not.


best regards and thanks in advance

Juan Coruña
Desarrollo de Software Atlantico



This might come in handy too:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/interopmigration/unix/sfu/opssfu.mspx

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Re: NFS Server and MS Windows

2006-06-19 Thread Garrett Cooper


On Jun 19, 2006, at 3:38 PM, FBSD_UG wrote:



On 19 jun 2006, at 22:17, DSA - JCR wrote:


Must I install Samba for that? or anything in the MS Windows boxes?
I thougth that Windows understand NFS but seems to be not.


Windows doesn't understand NFS; this is almost purely a Unix  
creation. I suggest installing Samba if you have a large number of  
machines (mostly that you do not control), which need access to the  
fileserver or for clients that aren't incredibly computer-savvy since  
you won't need to provide many more instructions than what's already  
available for installing the software and configuring/mounting  
shares. Plus, there are many tie-ins for kerberos, etc so you won't  
have to deal with setting up or working around a kludgy  
authentication system (sort of an issue with SFU as mentioned below).



This might come in handy too:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/interopmigration/unix/sfu/opssfu.mspx


That is a good solution, but you don't want to have to require more  
than 10+ machines to have this installing since users will start  
griping and this may create more of a headache for you than it's worth.


-Garrett
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