New Logo Font (Energist)
Will the font from the new logo be available for download as TTF, Type1, or in a vector format? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 05:01:43PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Ceri Davies wrote: On 6/3/06 14:56, fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. The problem with that argument is that some people, including myself, liked the new logo. Since opinion is entirely subjective, you may as well shut up. Is there a reason why both the old and new logos cannot be used in tandem? I'd rather leave the old one up on my web site, since, personally, I like it better ... I understand the argument for a 'new logo', but, quite frankly, after looking at the new one, I'm surprised the same arguments (being associated with a demon) isn't still being made, since the new one *still* gives that same connotation ... My preference is to keep using the old logo (Beastie) on my web site, and I imagine there are others that feel the same way ... are we going to be shunned as a result? I would hope not ... Absolutely not - that was never the plan. Remember that Beastie represents BSD as a whole, while the new logo will represent FreeBSD. That's all it's about. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere pgpBesEAsKeuB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New logo, new look
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 11:19:28AM +, Ceri Davies wrote: On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 05:01:43PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Ceri Davies wrote: On 6/3/06 14:56, fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. The problem with that argument is that some people, including myself, liked the new logo. Since opinion is entirely subjective, you may as well shut up. Is there a reason why both the old and new logos cannot be used in tandem? I'd rather leave the old one up on my web site, since, personally, I like it better ... I understand the argument for a 'new logo', but, quite frankly, after looking at the new one, I'm surprised the same arguments (being associated with a demon) isn't still being made, since the new one *still* gives that same connotation ... My preference is to keep using the old logo (Beastie) on my web site, and I imagine there are others that feel the same way ... are we going to be shunned as a result? I would hope not ... Absolutely not - that was never the plan. Remember that Beastie represents BSD as a whole, while the new logo will represent FreeBSD. That's all it's about. Occurs to me that the meaning of absolutely not might not be that clear above: if you want to use Beastie on stuff, nobody will point at you or mutter behind your back. We, as in the FreeBSD project, will mainly be using the new one, as it will identify the FreeBSD project as opposed to just BSD in general like Beastie does. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere pgpe7bKDlragB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New logo, new look
--- Sam Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Is there a reason why both the old and new logos cannot be used in tandem? I'd rather leave the old one up on my web site, since, personally, I like it better ... I understand the argument for a 'new logo', but, quite frankly, after looking at the new one, I'm surprised the same arguments (being associated with a demon) isn't still being made, since the new one *still* gives that same connotation ... My preference is to keep using the old logo (Beastie) on my web site, and I imagine there are others that feel the same way ... are we going to be shunned as a result? I would hope not ... I'm not really on one side or another on this, but it occurs to me that a lot of people may be missing a subtle distinction. From what I understand Beastie is a mascot and not a logo although he may have been used in place of a logo since there was no logo previously. The addition of a logo should allow FreeBSD to appear more professional. The new logo should be complementary to Beastie and live along side it. Peace - Sam It seems to me that the problem with Beastie is that its trademarked and you can't use it freely without permission. So having a logo that you own is a good idea. What's a bad idea is having a stupid logo that doesn't translate into anything that anyone would want sitting in the back window of their car or on a bumper sticker. You can't give out fuzzy-horned balls at a trade show. The reason that BSD is what it is (that is, an obscure OS to the masses) is because BSD camps are run by a bunch of geeky programmers that have no sense of marketing. LINUX, which we'll all agree is an inferior technical product, gets a lot of milage out of their stupid penguin. At least its identifiable and marketable. Learn from your competitors. DT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
Danial Thom wrote: The reason that BSD is what it is (that is, an obscure OS to the masses) is because BSD camps are run by a bunch of geeky programmers that have no sense of marketing. LINUX, which we'll all agree is an inferior technical product, gets a lot of milage out of their stupid penguin. At least its identifiable and marketable. Learn from your competitors. DT Thanks for your insight into the marketing dynamics behind the wide-spread use of Linux - the penguin. Now why don't you go and write an article for onlamp.com and help BSD be more accessible. After all you are on a BSD-related mailing-list, you might as well do something more useful than bitching and moaning about a logo. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New logo, new look
Hi FreeBSD-Team, about 4 months ago Anton K. Gural won the freebsd-logo-competition. After that I heared nothing new about the l33t new look (it turned out really well ;) ). I want to ask some questions concerning the look: 1) What is the licensing of the logo-design by Gural? Is it under the BSD license or do I need the consent of Gural for using the logo like I need it from McKusick to use the Daemon?. 2) Will the sources of the logo be available for download (f.e. the svg-files) 3) When will the homepage be updated/redesigned? 4) Is there any possibility to contact Gural himself, because I found no homepage or something. Yours sincerely, -- Sven Rütz http://www.bsd-crew.de :: http://anticeye.bsd-crew.de PGP-Key: C1946833 - encrypted mail preferred! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
Sven Rütz wrote: Hi FreeBSD-Team, about 4 months ago Anton K. Gural won the freebsd-logo-competition. After that I heared nothing new about the l33t new look (it turned out really well ;) ). I want to ask some questions concerning the look: 1) What is the licensing of the logo-design by Gural? Is it under the BSD license or do I need the consent of Gural for using the logo like I need it from McKusick to use the Daemon?. 2) Will the sources of the logo be available for download (f.e. the svg-files) 3) When will the homepage be updated/redesigned? This one is on the Documentation Project TODO list: http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/todo.html 4) Is there any possibility to contact Gural himself, because I found no homepage or something. Yours sincerely, Gabor Kovesdan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
Sven Rütz wrote: Hi FreeBSD-Team, about 4 months ago Anton K. Gural won the freebsd-logo-competition. After that I heared nothing new about the l33t new look (it turned out really well ;) ). I want to ask some questions concerning the look: 1) What is the licensing of the logo-design by Gural? Is it under the BSD license or do I need the consent of Gural for using the logo like I need it from McKusick to use the Daemon?. 2) Will the sources of the logo be available for download (f.e. the svg-files) 3) When will the homepage be updated/redesigned? 4) Is there any possibility to contact Gural himself, because I found no homepage or something. try from here: http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=busa=2005-11t=1438410 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
On 3/6/06, Sven Rütz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi FreeBSD-Team, about 4 months ago Anton K. Gural won the freebsd-logo-competition. After that I heared nothing new about the l33t new look (it turned out really well ;) ). I want to ask some questions concerning the look: 1) What is the licensing of the logo-design by Gural? Is it under the BSD license or do I need the consent of Gural for using the logo like I need it from McKusick to use the Daemon?. Although I'm not entirely sure, I believe complete ownership will be given to The FreeBSD Foundation and therefor you will not have to obtain permissions from Anton Gural. Apparently they already have obtained the copyright. 2) Will the sources of the logo be available for download (f.e. the svg-files) 3) When will the homepage be updated/redesigned? 4) Is there any possibility to contact Gural himself, because I found no homepage or something. His email address is listed on the resultshttp://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/page. -David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New logo, new look
So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. I am sadden that the new logo is so plain. Being pressured by the holy rollers over beastie looking like the devil is no reason to choose such a poor replacement or for that matter even considering to change the logo in the first place. There is no way I will use the new logo, People will be laughing at it and say What the Hell is that red ball. I am really disappointed. The contest should be run again and if nothing better comes along then stay with beastie. And this time post the contest to all the different FreeBSD lists, just not to the announcement list. I read the contest announcement just now from the below link and don't agree with any of the reasons stated there for a new logo. All the stated reasons could have been address just by doing new art work using beastie. Check here to see new logo and then post your thoughts. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
fbsd_user wrote: Check here to see new logo and then post your thoughts. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ Been there, done that. With all due respect to those with opinions, and their right to voice those opinions, this is not a question and in fact the subject is a horse that's been beaten to death, scalded with acid, ground into dust and thrown to the wind several times around already. The deed is done. Please, please, please take this thread to -advocacy@ or -chat@ where it belongs. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
fbsd_user wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. This was cussed and discussed earlier I believe. I did get bored with the thread and stopped reading it, so I can't say what the final outcome of the thread was or what the final outcome of the logo was. Personally I think the logo is the least important issue right now. DAve When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. I am sadden that the new logo is so plain. Being pressured by the holy rollers over beastie looking like the devil is no reason to choose such a poor replacement or for that matter even considering to change the logo in the first place. There is no way I will use the new logo, People will be laughing at it and say What the Hell is that red ball. I am really disappointed. The contest should be run again and if nothing better comes along then stay with beastie. And this time post the contest to all the different FreeBSD lists, just not to the announcement list. I read the contest announcement just now from the below link and don't agree with any of the reasons stated there for a new logo. All the stated reasons could have been address just by doing new art work using beastie. Check here to see new logo and then post your thoughts. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, DAve wrote: fbsd_user wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. This was cussed and discussed earlier I believe. I did get bored with the thread and stopped reading it, so I can't say what the final outcome of the thread was or what the final outcome of the logo was. Personally I think the logo is the least important issue right now. Agreed ... I just, for the first time, took a look at the new logo, and really am curious as to why they even bothered changing though .. it goes from a 'cute daemon' to a 'non-descript daemon' :) red ball with two pointy ears isn't supposed to look like a daemon? :) Ah well ... its close enough to Beastie that *I* know its him, even if in disguise ;) DAve When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. I am sadden that the new logo is so plain. Being pressured by the holy rollers over beastie looking like the devil is no reason to choose such a poor replacement or for that matter even considering to change the logo in the first place. There is no way I will use the new logo, People will be laughing at it and say What the Hell is that red ball. I am really disappointed. The contest should be run again and if nothing better comes along then stay with beastie. And this time post the contest to all the different FreeBSD lists, just not to the announcement list. I read the contest announcement just now from the below link and don't agree with any of the reasons stated there for a new logo. All the stated reasons could have been address just by doing new art work using beastie. Check here to see new logo and then post your thoughts. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New logo, new look
--- fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. I am sadden that the new logo is so plain. Being pressured by the holy rollers over beastie looking like the devil is no reason to choose such a poor replacement or for that matter even considering to change the logo in the first place. There is no way I will use the new logo, People will be laughing at it and say What the Hell is that red ball. I am really disappointed. The contest should be run again and if nothing better comes along then stay with beastie. And this time post the contest to all the different FreeBSD lists, just not to the announcement list. I read the contest announcement just now from the below link and don't agree with any of the reasons stated there for a new logo. All the stated reasons could have been address just by doing new art work using beastie. Check here to see new logo and then post your thoughts. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ The entire FreeBSD experience has become a nightmarish ride. I've never seen a project team so unable to learn from their mistakes both technically and marketing-wise. Its a damn tragedy what they're doing. DT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
On 6/3/06 14:56, fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. The problem with that argument is that some people, including myself, liked the new logo. Since opinion is entirely subjective, you may as well shut up. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powered-by FreeBSD icon using new logo
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 04:17:33PM -0500, fbsd_user wrote: Since there in now a new logo for FreeBSD, what about the people who have the powered by old logo icon on their website home pages? Will the old logo still be valid? Hi fbsd_user, why would you bother? Just use the logo *you* like best for the powered-by... icons. I personally like Beastie on these icons very much and don't plan to replace them with something else (anytime soon -- perhaps not at all). YMMV, of course. BTW, there's absolutely no reason to endorse the new logo that came out of the contest. It's just a logo, nothing more, nothing less. If you like it, fine, if you don't, that's fine as well. :) I assume that Marshall Kirk McKusick would still allow the use of Beastie on the powered by... icons; but feel free to ask him, if you're unsure. Please CC: questions@ if possible. Are powered by icon using the new logo available someplace for download. Do we need to get written permission to use it? Where can I see this new logo at? Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 09:56:06AM -0500, fbsd_user wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. Well, yes, it does (many people don't like it, including myself; then again others think differently). Unfortunately that's politics, there's nothing you can do about the *official* logo that's been picked by the contributors. But if you don't like it, just stick to something else. Time will tell wether this new logo will be adopted and accepted by the community at large or not. It's just a logo, and logos change every now and then. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 09:43:25AM -0800, Danial Thom wrote: The entire FreeBSD experience has become a nightmarish ride. I've never seen a project team so unable to learn from their mistakes both technically and marketing-wise. Its a damn tragedy what they're doing. People who contribute code are the ones who decide where the Project is heading. We're using their hard work, after all. (thank you guys!) There are *many* shortcomings to FreeBSD (MIDI, Video Capture, Logo, ...) but just complaining about them won't change anything at all. Unless we contribute outselves lots of code (those of us who are coders), there's nothing we can really do about it. DT Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Ceri Davies wrote: On 6/3/06 14:56, fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. The problem with that argument is that some people, including myself, liked the new logo. Since opinion is entirely subjective, you may as well shut up. Is there a reason why both the old and new logos cannot be used in tandem? I'd rather leave the old one up on my web site, since, personally, I like it better ... I understand the argument for a 'new logo', but, quite frankly, after looking at the new one, I'm surprised the same arguments (being associated with a demon) isn't still being made, since the new one *still* gives that same connotation ... My preference is to keep using the old logo (Beastie) on my web site, and I imagine there are others that feel the same way ... are we going to be shunned as a result? I would hope not ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
fbsd_user wrote: So a little red ball with 2 little pointed ears is the new logo. It sucks big time. When you have a contest and none of the entrees are any good you do not have to pick any of then, you could have just closed the contest with no winner. I am sadden that the new logo is so plain. Being pressured by the holy rollers over beastie looking like the devil is no reason to choose such a poor replacement or for that matter even considering to change the logo in the first place. There is no way I will use the new logo, People will be laughing at it and say What the Hell is that red ball. I am really disappointed. The contest should be run again and if nothing better comes along then stay with beastie. And this time post the contest to all the different FreeBSD lists, just not to the announcement list. I read the contest announcement just now from the below link and don't agree with any of the reasons stated there for a new logo. All the stated reasons could have been address just by doing new art work using beastie. Check here to see new logo and then post your thoughts. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ === || The ANTI-TROLL program is soon to be a Major Motion Picture! || || Watch for it at a theater near you next summer! || ||sample output below || === So, two short strings connected with an underscore is your username. It sucks lowercase alphabet. When you have schizophrenia and none of the results are any good you do not have to pick any new name, you could have just continued to post as 'Joe B-h'. I am saddened that your new username is so plain. Being pressured by trolling flamers over Joe sounding like a newbie is no reason to choose such a poor replacement or for that matter even considering to change your username in the first place. There is no way I will use your new name, people will be laughing at it and saying, who the hell is fbsd_user? I am really tonguing-in-chic. Your schizophrenia has appeared again and if nothing better comes along stay with Joe. And this time post your reasoning to all the different FreeBSD lists, just not to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read the website your email address points to and don't agree with your lack of DOCTYPE.All the advice there could have been addressed just by RTFM. Check here to see what I mean and then post your thoughts: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.a1poweruser.com === || ANTI-TROLL-FILTER program output ends || === KDK P.S. I might be mistaken, but I remember a helpful guy who was generally always positive. Maybe you *aren't* him, maybe you are; maybe you were; regardless, fbsd_user is coming close to joining [EMAIL PROTECTED] for dinner featuring a procmail recipe -- Hartley's First Law: You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to float on his back, you've got something. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
On Monday 06 March 2006 13:01, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Ceri Davies wrote: it better ... I understand the argument for a 'new logo', but, quite frankly, after looking at the new one, I'm surprised the same arguments (being associated with a demon) isn't still being made, since the new one *still* gives that same connotation ... I actually like the new logo except for the fact that it still associates with a demon. Instead of being cute and harmless like beastie, the 3d glass look gives it power. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New logo, new look
Marc G. Fournier wrote: Is there a reason why both the old and new logos cannot be used in tandem? I'd rather leave the old one up on my web site, since, personally, I like it better ... I understand the argument for a 'new logo', but, quite frankly, after looking at the new one, I'm surprised the same arguments (being associated with a demon) isn't still being made, since the new one *still* gives that same connotation ... My preference is to keep using the old logo (Beastie) on my web site, and I imagine there are others that feel the same way ... are we going to be shunned as a result? I would hope not ... I'm not really on one side or another on this, but it occurs to me that a lot of people may be missing a subtle distinction. From what I understand Beastie is a mascot and not a logo although he may have been used in place of a logo since there was no logo previously. The addition of a logo should allow FreeBSD to appear more professional. The new logo should be complementary to Beastie and live along side it. Peace - Sam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Powered-by FreeBSD icon using new logo
Since there in now a new logo for FreeBSD, what about the people who have the powered by old logo icon on their website home pages? Will the old logo still be valid? Are powered by icon using the new logo available someplace for download. Do we need to get written permission to use it? Where can I see this new logo at? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powered-by FreeBSD icon using new logo
The FreeBSD website says that the old logo will still be valid and can be used, but I don't think there is a place to download the new logo yet, somebody mentioned something on here about the Copyright stuff still being finalized. fbsd_user wrote: Since there in now a new logo for FreeBSD, what about the people who have the powered by old logo icon on their website home pages? Will the old logo still be valid? Are powered by icon using the new logo available someplace for download. Do we need to get written permission to use it? Where can I see this new logo at? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powered-by FreeBSD icon using new logo
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, fbsd_user wrote: Since there in now a new logo for FreeBSD, what about the people who have the powered by old logo icon on their website home pages? Will the old logo still be valid? I hope so ... I've always proudly run displayed Beastie ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powered-by FreeBSD icon using new logo
All, According to The FreeBSD Foundation http://freebsdfoundation.org/, the copyright is now theirs and they are just finishing up registering the trademark for the logo. -David On 3/5/06, John Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeBSD website says that the old logo will still be valid and can be used, but I don't think there is a place to download the new logo yet, somebody mentioned something on here about the Copyright stuff still being finalized. fbsd_user wrote: Since there in now a new logo for FreeBSD, what about the people who have the powered by old logo icon on their website home pages? Will the old logo still be valid? Are powered by icon using the new logo available someplace for download. Do we need to get written permission to use it? Where can I see this new logo at? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Logo
Does anyone know where I can get apparel with the new FreeBSD Logos? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Ansar Mohammed wrote: Does anyone know where I can get apparel with the new FreeBSD Logos? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a related note: What's the status of the winner of the logo contest? Is it encumbered, is it free to use? Will there be a new contest? Regards Lars. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 3/3/06 18:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ansar Mohammed wrote: Does anyone know where I can get apparel with the new FreeBSD Logos? On a related note: What's the status of the winner of the logo contest? Is it encumbered, is it free to use? Copyright has been assigned to the FreeBSD Foundation, the trademark has been applied for. There are a couple of loose ends to tie up. Will there be a new contest? No. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Ceri Davies wrote: On 3/3/06 18:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ansar Mohammed wrote: Does anyone know where I can get apparel with the new FreeBSD Logos? On a related note: What's the status of the winner of the logo contest? Is it encumbered, is it free to use? Copyright has been assigned to the FreeBSD Foundation, the trademark has been applied for. There are a couple of loose ends to tie up. I hope they launch a lot of new merch for this logo once everything is done with the trademark stuff, so few places sell FreeBSD stuff and those that do don't have the most appealing selections :) -john -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
I agree. I always wanted to buy the freebsd merch but I wasnt into this whole daemon thing. On 3/3/06, John Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ceri Davies wrote: On 3/3/06 18:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ansar Mohammed wrote: Does anyone know where I can get apparel with the new FreeBSD Logos? On a related note: What's the status of the winner of the logo contest? Is it encumbered, is it free to use? Copyright has been assigned to the FreeBSD Foundation, the trademark has been applied for. There are a couple of loose ends to tie up. I hope they launch a lot of new merch for this logo once everything is done with the trademark stuff, so few places sell FreeBSD stuff and those that do don't have the most appealing selections :) -john -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
regarding new logo...
I'm wondering when the new logo will officially be used for FreeBSD and I'm also wondering if you have the contact info for Anton Gural, the designer who created the new logo. Thanks, DON POYNTER President Creative Director D'ZINE ALASKA 3705 Arctic Blvd #2445 Anchorage, Alaska 99503 ph: (907) 240-1380 fx: (907) 334-9218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: regarding new logo...
You like the logo? Speaking as a lecturer at the Royal Academy of Arts, on behalf of myself and a lot of other designers, the new FreeBSD logo is worthless. It's useless eyecandy. As if we don't have enough of that already. The logo competition wasn't held properly. It was only announced internally within FreeBSD's circles and not promoted through design universities, communities and such. Also the people hosting the competition have acted rather arrogant towards many that I know who just wanted to help. Second, only a few selected people (who may not know anything about design as far as we're concerned) got to choose the logo. In my opinion, it is to show how the FreeBSD project itself neglects its real life users. The logo is, again, eyecandy. Though in some cases pleasant to look at, it does not fulfill the criterias of a modern day logo. These, however, do: http://youworkforthem.com/product.php?sku=P0370 Anyway Don Poynter, his e-mail is gak at tomsksoft dot com. Kristian Vaaf, RD | http://www.designcouncil.org.uk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: regarding new logo...
On 2/28/06, Kristian Vaaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You like the logo? Speaking as a lecturer at the Royal Academy of Arts, on behalf of myself and a lot of other designers, the new FreeBSD logo is worthless. It's useless eyecandy. As if we don't have enough of that already. The logo competition wasn't held properly. It was only announced internally within FreeBSD's circles and not promoted through design universities, communities and such. Also the people hosting the competition have acted rather arrogant towards many that I know who just wanted to help. Second, only a few selected people (who may not know anything about design as far as we're concerned) got to choose the logo. In my opinion, it is to show how the FreeBSD project itself neglects its real life users. The logo is, again, eyecandy. Though in some cases pleasant to look at, it does not fulfill the criterias of a modern day logo. These, however, do: http://youworkforthem.com/product.php?sku=P0370 Anyway Don Poynter, his e-mail is gak at tomsksoft dot com. I'd tend to agree with you, ever notice the arrow in the FedEx logo? I like everything I see here: http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/640-1.png but it's mostly just eyecandy. The only logo candidates I see on the page are the two tone black and white beastie heads. Anyways onto the FedEx logo, one of the best branding logos I can think of: http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000273.php -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ (OFF-TOPIC)
Allen D. Tate wrote: Very disappointing. I prefer the current logo over a ball with two horns!!! and the font used to write FreeBSD is very unprofessional. It is interesting to see differing opinions. I kinda like the new logo and new font and think that it does look professional. I am not saying that your opinion is wrong in any way so don't think I am saying you're wrong. :) __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] well, everyone has a different opinion on this. but even without saying whether i like the new font or not, when i look at it closely it does look that it needs more touch and polishing. i'm not an expert on typography, it's just a feeling. it would be usefull if the font was published in a vector format or at least in big resolution. the same goes for the rest of presented art. martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ (OFF-TOPIC)
Very disappointing. I prefer the current logo over a ball with two horns!!! and the font used to write FreeBSD is very unprofessional. It is interesting to see differing opinions. I kinda like the new logo and new font and think that it does look professional. I am not saying that your opinion is wrong in any way so don't think I am saying you're wrong. :) __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
Yes, the decision can be reversed. Simply do not use the new logo on anything you produce for FreeBSD, such as CDROM copies for customer server installs, web pages you may create that discuss FreeBSD, graphic images you might use as backgrounds, computer presentations, etc. Do not purchase or spend money on any commercial FreeBSD product that uses the new logo, such as CDROM pressings, books, etc. and make sure to let the producers of the items know why. Be aware that book authors have considerable say in the artwork that goes on book covers, even if they do not create it, and a book publisher will do anything to avoid pissing people off - with the controversy over Beastie vs. the new logo, any book publisher and/or author would most likely avoid using both images on their book covers at this point. (Note the covers of many of the current FreeBSD books) Do not link to webpages that use the new logo. Hold the core team to their promise that the new logo will not supplant Beastie, which means that Beastie imagery will still be present on the FreeBSD website on some pages. If that is done the new logo will remain an artifact of the index page on the FreeBSD website. Such voting with the feet has been used by the user base in the past with FreeBSD very successfully. That is why, for example, there is no longer a Seagate ST01 scsi adapter card driver in FreeBSD, or a floppy controller tape drive driver. The userbase didn't want them. By contrast when the core team tried killing the Adaptec 1520/1510 driver the userbase howled and core eventually put forth the effort to rewrite it for cam. (and still is present to this day) Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Pazarena Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:26 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: New Logo after reading the original competition posting, it seems that it was orchestrated by the core @ freebsd it would be interesting to learn the total # of core members, and how the vote went, yay and nay, and whether, it at all, the core is hearing the message which seems to be emanating from the non-core.. IOW, can the decision be reversed? is it being considered? if not, it's all moot. regards, Jim ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 11/3/2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Barniskis Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:56 PM To: Jim Pazarena Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Logo If the process gets reversed based on the fervent outcry of a small number of people who think they have somehow been disenfranchised, that would be just as silly as the oft-repeated this whole thing was done to please offended right-wingers argument. No, it just puts us back to square one again, whereupon we can do it right by having a vote on whether or not it needs to be changed. If the userbase voted for creating a logo and replacing Beastie with it, nobody would be complaining. There was a process (seems to me it was a fair process), it's over, and some factions lost, particularly the don't change anything faction. A disingenuous argument if there was one - the don't change anything faction lost as soon as the process came into being, because the existence of the process predicated a change. This is like when the US president claims the US needs to keep putting fresh troops into Iraq because the deaths of the previous soldiers would be in vain if it pulled out and the country collapsed. Nowhere in that argument is the point that maybe the US should not have ever gone in to begin with. Implied in that argument is we fucked up and we are going to fix it by continuing to fuck up exactly as you are arguing here. The problem was there was no fair process that established that a process for change was ever needed to begin with. None of the don't change anything faction has issue with how the contest itself operated, the issue is the decision to have a contest to begin with. (b) did not participate in the process except to heartily denounce the very existence of the process and its goal Well of course - since what established the need for the existence of the process to begin with? A bunch of ass-umptions of a small number of people. (c) even now outright refuse to go and be part of the advocacy@ community where this discussion is germane to that list charter You mean, like your doing here? Biggest. Bike. Shed. Ever. If you don't care, why are you joining the discussion? It is facinating how many people feel the need to jump in to this thread, loudly proclaiming it's completely unimportant and there is a big problem because it's not going away. When will those folks understand that their jumping in is keeping the thread going? If you -really- feel it's a bikeshed discussion, then your silence speaks louder than words. Methinks the maiden doth protest too much. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/
Nick Withers wrote: Well, the winner of the FreeBSD logo competition has been announced - see http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ So what's the verdict then? I have to say I've very impressed, love the horns! hello, i wonder where i could see the other entries ?? also, while looking at the above web page, i noticed that spacing (between letters) in The Power To Serve is wrong. maybe the font needs more kerning/hinting or whatever. martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/
Well, the winner of the FreeBSD logo competition has been announced - see http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ So what's the verdict then? I have to say I've very impressed, love the horns! I'm sorry to disagree. Is this the best they were able to come up with ? Very disappointing. I prefer the current logo over a ball with two horns!!! and the font used to write FreeBSD is very unprofessional. I'm not a designer to make a better logo, but I know my idea of a logo for an OS would be much much better than this. My two cents... Tamouh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 2 Nov 2005 at 19:31, Jerry McAllister wrote: Although it may be reasonable to create a FreeBSD logo to supplant the Beastie mascot, unfortunately this thing that has seemingly won a contest is not a logo. It is really just another mascot, this time with a kind of Pokemon kind of look to it. Hm. Just noted a too quick typing error in my post. I meant to say supplement and not supplant. It might make for a nice antenna ball. You could put a smiley face on it, but then Jack in the Box might sue for infringement. For those in parts of the world not fortunate to have a Jack in the Box on every other street corner, see: But even rarer in the world are White Castles. But, that is even less relevant.(I did find one in Kuala Lumpur once) jerry http://www.jacks-gear.com/ [On third thought, I think I'd like my bikeshed in flame red.] -- Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
it would be interesting to learn the total # of core members, and how the vote went, yay and nay, and whether, it at all, the core is hearing the message which seems to be emanating from the non-core.. Sigh. *the message*? Mixed messages at best. Some like it. A few more don't. A number really, really don't like it at all. Many, many, many, many, many more are completely silent on the topic, meaning they really don't give a flying /dev/null. IOW, can the decision be reversed? is it being considered? It is not like a governmental edict condemning someone to death or to pay higher taxes was made. to 'reverse' it, just use what you want on you systems and ignore the decorations on the FreeBSD web site. If the process gets reversed based on the fervent outcry of a small number of people who think they have somehow been disenfranchised, that would be just as silly as the oft-repeated this whole thing was done to please offended right-wingers argument. There was a process (seems to me it was a fair process), it's over, and some factions lost, particularly the don't change anything faction. By gosh and gee willikers, what a surprise. Seems to me like those who are up in arms over this: (a) had every chance to participate in the process a I had every opportunity to participate. I did make a couple of minor comments saying roughly that it isn't worth all the freaking out worry people were putting in to it. (b) did not participate in the process except to heartily denounce the very existence of the process and its goal b I did a couple of idle sketches, but am such a lousy drawer that even I could see that they were worthless. So, I just hoped other more talented folk would come up with something reasonable. I suspect that 99 44/100 of those who didn't submit anything were in about the same place. (c) even now outright refuse to go and be part of the advocacy@ community where this discussion is germane to that list charter c I used to be subsrcibed to the advocacy list, but really didn't need the constant barrage of flames about whether FreeBSD or Linux did the most damage to Microsloth and the endless psuedo-legalistic arguments from self-appointed psuedo-experts.There is too much dross to discard to get to any metal over there. (d) need a real big mop for all the spilled milk and tears d I don't really think it is all that important and am not crying. I am far more interested in the quality of the product and in that, with small occasional glitches, am generally impressed and pleased.But, since the supposed aim was to come up with a real _logo_ because Beastie was really just a _mascot_, I think this missed the mark and just ended up with a stylized additional _mascot_ from which it might be fun to make some more FreeBSD toys. It should appeal nicely to the kid and anim crowd. But, it didn't manage to result in a real _logo_ being adopted. Oh well Biggest. Bike. Shed. Ever. I looked that up once, but have not gotten used to the slang application. It always reminds me of the big covered bicycle parking garages in Japan. You rent a slot monthly or yearly, just like those condemned to living in one of the big cities in the USA might rent a parking space for their car. They hold hundreds and even thousands of bikes. Kind of impressive. jerry -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 11/3/05, Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 Nov 2005 at 19:31, Jerry McAllister wrote: Although it may be reasonable to create a FreeBSD logo to supplant the Beastie mascot, unfortunately this thing that has seemingly won a contest is not a logo. It is really just another mascot, this time with a kind of Pokemon kind of look to it. It might make for a nice antenna ball. You could put a smiley face on it, but then Jack in the Box might sue for infringement. For those in parts of the world not fortunate to have a Jack in the Box on every other street corner, see: http://www.jacks-gear.com/ [On third thought, I think I'd like my bikeshed in flame red.] -- Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is an awesome idea! But then some of us like the new logo.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 11/4/05, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Clutton wrote: Ted wrote: Your opinion, they probably wouldn't agree. If you decide Beastie isn't important enough to bother defending, that's your choice. Of course I will note that you had no problem getting the attention for your books by using Beastie images on their covers. [...] And if you're referring using the beastie on his book The Complete FreeBSD, I hardly think it was responsible for it's success. Might have something to do with being one of the best books on FreeBSD sysadmin out there at the moment. Can't comment on his other books, haven't read them. Indeed, I expect the book was successful because it got good word-of-mouth reviews, though I also expect that anyone still buying things from a bookshop would have instantly recognised it as a FreeBSD book thanks precisely to Beastie on the cover. If Beastie is on the spine as well, then it makes it easy to pick out from your bookshelf. While I have no disagreement with what you've said, and while i personally like the beastie, and the new design, I have to push the point that no, it wasn't the beastie that let me know it was about FreeBSD, it was, well, the very large letters that say FreeBSD on the cover and spine! I would have had to have been walking around with a large magnifying glass to spot the beasties from afar on that book, they are tiny. Anyway, it isn't really the point, (it was about personal attacks not being necessary), and your opinion of this way of doing things not discouraging argument has merit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 11/4/05, Greg Barniskis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems to me like those who are up in arms over this: (a) had every chance to participate in the process (b) did not participate in the process except to heartily denounce the very existence of the process and its goal (c) even now outright refuse to go and be part of the advocacy@ community where this discussion is germane to that list charter (d) need a real big mop for all the spilled milk and tears Yeh, and if their parent really is the best designer and artist who _ever_ lived in the _entire_ history of the universe, and are much better than anybody elses parents, and thus is the smartest kid on the block, why didn't they design something? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Hello, On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:32:20PM -0700 or thereabouts, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Even though I was in favor of a logo being made for FreeBSD (we can keep beastie as a mascot), the winner is not what I would call a good logo for the purposes for which logos are used... What about this avatar: http://www.coada.org/pic/stuff/freebsd.jpg ;) -- Martin Hudec * 421 907 303 393 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * https://aeternal.net Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy pgpQe6IU25LoI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New Logo
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/ Seems to me a fairly nice contribution to the project, It is all irrelevant. I am sure it is a nice book and Ted is knowledgeable in a lot of areas I am sure. Neither he nor I are members of the project and had a vote on whether or not to adopt a logo and what that logo should be. Chad Wow, I have been away from the list for a long time, but, let me jump in here as someone who has done logo design work, *and* has an appreciation for FreeBSD, and Ted. 1) Chad, *YOU* are highly irrelevant. Ted has been highly helpful to the community. Just because he isint part of the clique that makes decisions dosent invalidate his opinion. That's what Open Source is *all about*. Everyone gets a say, and, it may not necessarily get listened to, but, everyone gets their say. Was he saucy about it? Sure. But the person giving support to the really awful logo, also was supporting the really dead ended idea in the first place. 2) The simple (and original point, and yes, I *did* read the whole thread) point Ted made was: its disingenuous, and *wholly* idiotic, not to mention ignorant to a T to complain about the results you get, when you support a Really Dumb Idea(tm). In short, based on what I have read of your responses thus far, you negate your relevance, and your total worth, by trying to minimize *real* contributions to the community, in a lame attempt to elevate and pump up your flailing gonads. Community. Remember that word. C-O-M-M-U-N-I-T-Y. That means, as a group. And, as someone pointed out, Ted has made some really great contributions, which lend his opinion alot of weight. Where are yours? It dosent matter *what* the powers that be think. They have as much power, in the end, as the community *gives* them. Mambo turned out to benot alot...without the community to support them. That's the part you are missing here. The FreeBSD community, by and large, has felt ignored on this issue. And, you missed that point as well. In closing, allow me to place upon you the stamp of schmoe, and instruct you to move along. The logo is terrible. It looks like it was created by someone who took a weekend photoshop class, and wanted to use their new powers. It's awful. The font is a terrible throwback to 70's-early 80's style Atari magazine ads. Terrible design. Terrible. Dreadful. In short, this is a step *down* from professionalism. It looks like a baloon from Satan's Halloween party. It wont scale well, and what's more, despite the fact that we do live in an increasingly digital world, that will look like *utter crap* on paper, I feel. This logo will hopefully be retired soon. And, seeing as you are so hung up on credentials: I was taught lithography, typography, design and what prints/looks well by my father, who was the best Miller/Roland/Mehele repairman and engineer in the business. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Shut the hell up. =) Duo. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Offense is in the eye of the beholder. If you choose to be offended, don't make us all suffer from your sufferings. Similarly, if you choose to be offensive, go somewhere else. -- Duo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Peter Clutton wrote: Ted wrote: Your opinion, they probably wouldn't agree. If you decide Beastie isn't important enough to bother defending, that's your choice. Of course I will note that you had no problem getting the attention for your books by using Beastie images on their covers. [...] And if you're referring using the beastie on his book The Complete FreeBSD, I hardly think it was responsible for it's success. Might have something to do with being one of the best books on FreeBSD sysadmin out there at the moment. Can't comment on his other books, haven't read them. Indeed, I expect the book was successful because it got good word-of-mouth reviews, though I also expect that anyone still buying things from a bookshop would have instantly recognised it as a FreeBSD book thanks precisely to Beastie on the cover. If Beastie is on the spine as well, then it makes it easy to pick out from your bookshelf. And this is precisely the point. The book was being judged by the quality of what was inside it, not by the Beastie on the outside of it - which just made it easy to recognise. Surely the same is supposed to be true of FreeBSD? The logo, or mascot or whatever the heck you want to call it is for brand recognition; but FreeBSD should be judged by what it does and how well it does it. For historical reasons, FreeBSD is recognised by Beastie. And to whoever was complaining that all this argument in questions looked divisive and should stop: the whole logo contest couldn't have been better devised to foment division. The whole process was carried out behind closed door and apparently instigated by someone with a specific anti-Beastie agenda. The whole thing *could* have been handled differently, but for whatever reasons (none of which can be laudable) it wasn't. The submissions could have been freely viewable; there could have been a mailing list devoted to discussion; and for those of us who find the whole logo/mascot distinction to be risible, Beastie could have been a possible winner. None of these things happened. FreeBSD may not (for good reasons) be a democracy, but neither, in most cases, is it a tyranny. We can discuss the future development on mailing lists; numerous developers reply endlessly to to questions, comments and problems; development happens by (mostly) reasoned discussion and not by diktat. The logo contest stands in stark contrast to that. Whatever the merits or demerits of the final logo (and I do quite like the font), the contest itself stands as a shining example of how to piss people off. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Hello, On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:32:20PM -0700 or thereabouts, Chad Leigh -- Shir= e.Net LLC wrote: Even though I was in favor of a logo being made for FreeBSD (we can keep = beastie as a mascot), the winner is not what I would call a good=20 logo for the purposes for which logos are used... What about this avatar: http://www.coada.org/pic/stuff/freebsd.jpg ;) That's it It represents the FreeBSD project and community perfectly - at least the fantasies of most of us... jerry Martin Hudec * 421 907 303 393 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * https://aeternal.net Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible=20 exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 05:46:26PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I am not 100% convinced, but if you say so. It seems to be that the religious fundamentalist who thinks Beastie is the Devil, or something, will sooner or later look at the new logo and think: ``It looks like a head. A horned head. A red, horned head. OH MY FRIGGIN' GOD! THAT'S THE DEVIL HIMSELF!'' Then all the fuss about a new logo has been in vain :( No, that would be a GOOD THING, because we'll then get rid of that awful logo, even with the help of the people who started this whole logo contest in the first place! Let's wait and see. Things can only improve from now on. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
cpghost wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 05:46:26PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I am not 100% convinced, but if you say so. It seems to be that the religious fundamentalist who thinks Beastie is the Devil, or something, will sooner or later look at the new logo and think: ``It looks like a head. A horned head. A red, horned head. OH MY FRIGGIN' GOD! THAT'S THE DEVIL HIMSELF!'' Then all the fuss about a new logo has been in vain :( Anyone who was so afraid of beastie, or the new logo, would never use FreeBSD. One days traffic on this maillist and the language would send them elsewhere. No, that would be a GOOD THING, because we'll then get rid of that awful logo, even with the help of the people who started this whole logo contest in the first place! I propose that people who subscribe to the idea that a devil on the box means a devil inside, constitute a very minor percentage of the population. I also propose that more potential FreeBSD users are lost due to the lack of native RPM support and GUI installation tools. I would not change the installation, ports system, or logo to suit those people. None of those three groups are worth the calories being expended in this conversation. This entire thread is funny, and sad. DAve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 02:51:25PM -0500, DAve wrote: cpghost wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 05:46:26PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I am not 100% convinced, but if you say so. It seems to be that the religious fundamentalist who thinks Beastie is the Devil, or something, will sooner or later look at the new logo and think: ``It looks like a head. A horned head. A red, horned head. OH MY FRIGGIN' GOD! THAT'S THE DEVIL HIMSELF!'' Then all the fuss about a new logo has been in vain :( Anyone who was so afraid of beastie, or the new logo, would never use FreeBSD. One days traffic on this maillist and the language would send them elsewhere. No, that would be a GOOD THING, because we'll then get rid of that awful logo, even with the help of the people who started this whole logo contest in the first place! I propose that people who subscribe to the idea that a devil on the box means a devil inside, constitute a very minor percentage of the population. I also propose that more potential FreeBSD users are lost due to the lack of native RPM support and GUI installation tools. I would not change the installation, ports system, or logo to suit those people. None of those three groups are worth the calories being expended in this conversation. This entire thread is funny, and sad. I point out that removing beastie was not the point of the exercise (contrary to Ted's paranoid fantasies of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist cabal dictating policy to the core team). Please review http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ if you're unclear about this (it's explicitly stated that logo submissions could include beastie, and in fact almost all of them did). In fact if you look carefully you'll notice that the new logo still includes a stylized representation of beastie. Kris pgp6SkVQtMcJ3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New Logo
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Kris Kennaway wrote: I point out that removing beastie was not the point of the exercise (contrary to Ted's paranoid fantasies of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist cabal dictating policy to the core team). In point of fact, the logo idea started right here when a right-wing Christian fundamentalist complain that people at his church were worried about Beastie on their computers. (I have that archived in case you are inclined to try to deny it.) These are exactly the same people who will support the Department of Homeland Security when it decides that everyone must use one the approved (i.e. big commercial) operating systems because of 9-11. When you start caving to such people, there is no stopping. -- Lars Eighner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The thought occurs that the annoying religious fundamentalists are those that revere an amateurishly drawn cartoon. (Of all things.) Idol worship, sect-like fulmination, and blind allegiance to mere symbols representing obscure events in ancient history were never more in evidence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 03:34:27PM -0600, Lars Eighner wrote: On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Kris Kennaway wrote: I point out that removing beastie was not the point of the exercise (contrary to Ted's paranoid fantasies of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist cabal dictating policy to the core team). In point of fact, the logo idea started right here when a right-wing Christian fundamentalist complain that people at his church were worried about Beastie on their computers. (I have that archived in case you are inclined to try to deny it.) That discussion has come up many times here and on other mailing lists, but it was not the reason for holding the logo contest. Kris pgpKVC8bm8yKw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New Logo
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Kris Kennaway wrote: I point out that removing beastie was not the point of the exercise (contrary to Ted's paranoid fantasies of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist cabal dictating policy to the core team). In point of fact, the logo idea started right here when a right-wing Christian fundamentalist complain that people at his church were worried about Beastie on their computers. (I have that archived in case you are inclined to try to deny it.) You must be a newbie. The logo argument has been going on for years. There have been suggestions about getting a new logo, both to thwart the religious bigots and to be more professional for a long time before that particular person worried about his/her church response. There have been good reasons and bad reasons argued and good ideas and bad ideas put forth for a long time. These are exactly the same people who will support the Department of Homeland Security when it decides that everyone must use one the approved (i.e. big commercial) operating systems because of 9-11. Some of them. And some are not. Your brush is so wide, it can't help but dripping back on yourself. jerry When you start caving to such people, there is no stopping. -- Lars Eighner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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after reading the original competition posting, it seems that it was orchestrated by the core @ freebsd it would be interesting to learn the total # of core members, and how the vote went, yay and nay, and whether, it at all, the core is hearing the message which seems to be emanating from the non-core.. IOW, can the decision be reversed? is it being considered? if not, it's all moot. regards, Jim ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Thursday, 3 November 2005 at 14:26:24 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: after reading the original competition posting, it seems that it was orchestrated by the core @ freebsd Since this is a question, I suppose it's worth answering here. No, this wasn't orchestrated by the FreeBSD Core Team. As others have already mentioned, see http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ for the details. I must confess it's difficult to find how the designs were assessed, but my recollection was that it was a vote of all FreeBSD developers, currently I think about 300. There were 181 votes. it would be interesting to learn the total # of core members, The FreeBSD core team consists of 9 members, elected every 2 years. Currently one of the positions is vacant. See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-core.html for more details. and how the vote went, yay and nay, and whether, it at all, the core is hearing the message which seems to be emanating from the non-core.. Jun Kuriyama has been reading this thread. He is both a core team member and the coordinator of the contest. I'm sure other core team members have been following as well. IOW, can the decision be reversed? is it being considered? if not, it's all moot. Anything can be reversed. I don't know if it's being considered. But if you feel so strongly about this, any further discussion belongs on the advocacy group. If you don't want to join that group, by definition you don't feel strongly enough. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpg1VELncueu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New Logo
Jim Pazarena wrote: after reading the original competition posting, it seems that it was orchestrated by the core @ freebsd it would be interesting to learn the total # of core members, and how the vote went, yay and nay, and whether, it at all, the core is hearing the message which seems to be emanating from the non-core.. Sigh. *the message*? Mixed messages at best. Some like it. A few more don't. A number really, really don't like it at all. Many, many, many, many, many more are completely silent on the topic, meaning they really don't give a flying /dev/null. IOW, can the decision be reversed? is it being considered? If the process gets reversed based on the fervent outcry of a small number of people who think they have somehow been disenfranchised, that would be just as silly as the oft-repeated this whole thing was done to please offended right-wingers argument. There was a process (seems to me it was a fair process), it's over, and some factions lost, particularly the don't change anything faction. By gosh and gee willikers, what a surprise. Seems to me like those who are up in arms over this: (a) had every chance to participate in the process (b) did not participate in the process except to heartily denounce the very existence of the process and its goal (c) even now outright refuse to go and be part of the advocacy@ community where this discussion is germane to that list charter (d) need a real big mop for all the spilled milk and tears Hey... take NetBSD's flag logo, flip it vertically, draw some more lines, update the text, and walla! a FreeBSD mop logo! Perfecto. Biggest. Bike. Shed. Ever. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
On 1 Nov 2005 at 22:13, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Sounds a bit high-handed to me, don't you think? You're asking us how it sounds to you? [Make my bikeshed mint green.] -- Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
On 2 Nov 2005 at 1:33, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:15 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: New Logo Yes, there are others on the list who are behaving just as badly as you. Your opinion, they probably wouldn't agree. So, you believe that all others behaving badly would agree that you are the worst? You certainly have confidence in your ability behave worse than all the rest. I submit that you haven't quite succeeded, but I give you credit for trying. [No, perhaps I'd prefer an ice blue bikeshed.] -- Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 2 Nov 2005 at 19:31, Jerry McAllister wrote: Although it may be reasonable to create a FreeBSD logo to supplant the Beastie mascot, unfortunately this thing that has seemingly won a contest is not a logo. It is really just another mascot, this time with a kind of Pokemon kind of look to it. It might make for a nice antenna ball. You could put a smiley face on it, but then Jack in the Box might sue for infringement. For those in parts of the world not fortunate to have a Jack in the Box on every other street corner, see: http://www.jacks-gear.com/ [On third thought, I think I'd like my bikeshed in flame red.] -- Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
-Original Message- From: Tim Traver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:03 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Steve Bertrand; 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: Re: New Logo Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Anyway, instead of simply looking at the questioner with an expression like what kind of fucking moron are you and ignoring it, or better yet using it as an opportunity to initiate a discussion of the rich UNIX history, this committer started making a horses-ass of himself on the mailing lists. You mean like you are now ? Hey Tim, I thought you were pretty much dedicated to OpenBSD, glad to see your back. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
-Original Message- From: Jun Kuriyama [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:43 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Logo -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As Greg said, please stop this thread on this list. You can discuss it on other lists (such as -advocacy@), but -questions@ is not the place to do. Wrong. -questions is for general questions as well as user tech support as has been posted on the FreeBSD webpages. I suggest if you don't like the thread you ignore it. There is no rule on the list that every subscriber must respond to all postings. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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stan wrote: YUK! To My disappointed ... but FreeBSD itself really rocks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
IMHO a logo, or a new logo, was necessary for technical reasons. Less colors, vectorable, more modern look. I really like the Beastie character, but it's too complicated a design to use directly as a logo, at least I think so. I actually don't believe this logo was created to placate an extremely religious minority. If it really was, then that was an extremely stupid move, because you can never placate people of that caliber, no matter what you do - Flying Spaghetti Monster anyone? As usual, we're now entering the phase of metadiscussion. 4.10: Thou shalt not commit bikesheds. See Poul Henning Kamp's explanation on that: http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/16.19.shtml So, have a nice day everyone Lars ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
-Original Message- From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:15 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: New Logo On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 21:48:57 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [missing attribution to Greg Lehey] On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 14:15:30 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: On Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:32 PM, Chad Leigh wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Peter Matulis wrote: Even though I was in favor of a logo being made for FreeBSD (we can keep beastie as a mascot), the winner is not what I would call a good logo for the purposes for which logos are used... Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. This is a contest that never should have happened for a reason that has no real justification, it is no wonder it produced a big turd. I don't completely disagree with your opinions, but I find your attitude and language offensive. And I suspect the majority of people are of the same mind. Quite obviously, the boot-lickers of the conservative right don't understand this - my choice of language was intended to knock some sense in to them. I hope, for their sake, that they are offended. Greatly. This is your prerogative. But please don't do it on our lists. And don't expect anybody to admire you for it. Greg, I don't know why I bother even trying to be nice to you, you can be such a puffed up crumb when you want to be. And now would you please shut up? No thank you. People have been banned from this list before, and you're on the best way to it. I invite you to plead your case to having me banned to the FreeBSD listmaster. Yes, there are others on the list who are behaving just as badly as you. Your opinion, they probably wouldn't agree. If you decide Beastie isn't important enough to bother defending, that's your choice. Of course I will note that you had no problem getting the attention for your books by using Beastie images on their covers. Fine lot that is, I guess you have no problem using Beastie but when the chips are down, you turn your back on him and walk off. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 11/1/05, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 1 November 2005 19:39, stan wrote: YUK! OK I will honestly tell you my first reaction: I laughed until I fell off my chair. Then I put my hand in front of my mouth and whispered OMG. This logo is so bad, especially from a marketing perspective, that it is almost laughable. I hope it disappears quickly. Whoever did this was not a professional graphic designer who knows marketeting and what a logo is for. Sorry to be so brutal. VHH I think the critism is a bit harsh. Any logo for FreeBSD is going to be an lossing battle - how do you please the beastie fans who don't want anything radically different, and those that want a more 'professional' logo. I think this logo does the job very well, all beastie fans can immediatly recognise it for what it is, while someone who is unaware (i.e. the PHB) will only see it as a generic logo. Too much importance is given to logos, read some of the press releases about new logo designs to see some of the crap marketing drones come out with. It is just a picture to associate with a product, nothing to get too excited about. Cheers, Martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Ted, you are an *sshole Please try not to top post...you're being rather vague on what part exactly makes him an *sshole, in your opinion... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:22 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and your whining and complaining whenever the logo thing comes up is really tiresome. Y'know, you have a semi-valid point, but at the same time he's a user and contributor to the list. As a user, he has as much right to blow chunks at the logo contest as other people who are only users have to blow sunshine up other user's butts over the logo. Whether you like it or not, you should respect that. The people who run the project decided to create a new logo. It sucks but hey, it is better than beastie as a logo. Beastie is a fine mascot but he is not a logo. This is your opinion, and it apparently isn't shared by everyone else who uses the project. Users have a right to the opinions and to voice them, and as much as developers like to pretend users are totally irrelevant, projects would become shelved dust collections without them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Danny Pansters wrote: On Tuesday 1 November 2005 22:22, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and It's not yours either. And I am not trying to argue and make claims about how inexcusable it is either. I merely pointed out to Ted that he is not in the FreeBSD project and therefore does not have say. Then why was the logo contest opened to all users of FreeBSD (or non-users)? That's no reason to discard one's opinion, especially if that person arguably has the same stake/interest/influence as you do. I am not trying to defend the new logo or beastie or anything as it is not my project and we have been through this 100 times already. It is not our decision. Then who was solicited to send in entries? Why can't the users of a product express their opinions? Why didn't the core project go hire a professional designer to do this with their marketing budget if that's what the aim of this logo project was? I personally find the new logo stupid, I think beastie is a great mascot, and we need a new logo for FreeBSD. You must be on the project, since in the above you were saying that Ted has no say in the project and it isn't his yet then you say we need a new logo...? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 7:00 PM, ke.han wrote: In any efforts to expand the market share of freeBSD, I suggest the following: a - It is important to show professionalism, courtesy and restraint as a community. I chose to move from Linux to freeBSD in large part because of the quality of the community and documentation. Public fits on the maillists do more damage to any attempt at large corporate acceptance than a new logo might help. Yes, because PHBs and non-techs spend much of their time researching and culling through online forums and archives when making decisions about what servers to use in their IT department. It's hard enough just getting techies to RTFM and Google for previous solutions... Plus, it's VERY professional to non-techs to have them look answers up online instead of through a dedicated support contract with a large company, and with polished manuals and updates handed to the client in shiny wrappers. Oh, and most companies I know of shine up their image by asking their employee grunts to come up with a new logo to present to the public. I mean, what can a professionally paid service do that a bunch of bike-shedders can't? Please. FreeBSD, Linux, most of open source...they're controlled chaos. The fact this stuff has worked is utterly amazing to the suits...the right personality types reign in control and keep the cats...er, programmers...for the most part in line, with little or no promise of payment. By conventional wisdom the open source model has worked, and it shouldn't have. Now people are talking about polishing up the image to get it into the corporate world to sell it as if it were a finished product...it's like someone found the project and wants to shoehorn it into the conventional sales and development model. Tech people have been sneaking BSD, Linux, and assorted projects into the corporate realm all on their own, and it's been growing in areas where you'd expect low cost back-ends would be a boon for the technology-savvy (private web sites, home servers, geek projects...). People made a profit with these projects by creating their own companies with their own logos to customize projects or tweak them and offer their own support for their distros. Never has there been a Linux company...but there has been a Red Hat, or a SuSE, to fill the niche. The projects stood alone. All the bickering and attempts to polish BSD for some imaginary marketing department is like watching kids on a playground make a better sand castle. The guys doing real marketing and polishing? Apple, with Darwin. And that's only partially based on BSD. People telling others to just fork and do their own project for control...how about starting an actual company, like Red Hat did, to market and build off of and give back to the project? Why must FreeBSD become political and have an attempt to become the company? Let it go on it's own and let others pick up the mantle to create a company to offer service and support. Let the geeks work with FreeBSD and let the users and marketers use a company-packaged version if that's their liking. b - I think that sharing a common daemon logo/mascot with the other BSDs is a good thing. Linux has done well with the various penguin effects. Don't worry too much about this. Just accept what users already have adopted. Sharing the logo/mascot was a traditional thing. It's a reference to a shared history...it's there for a reason. And please stop with the top posting. Not that anyone will listen, of course... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: -- snip -- That's correct, but we should recall that this is a mailing list to ask technical questions, not discuss logos or flame people. Discuss logos on the advocacy@ list; don't flame people on any list. I don't post here often, lest I ask a question, but I appreciate these sorts of comments by people we 'observe' make reliable, wholesome and always to-the-point-from-experience posts day in and day out. Keep the FBSD lists clean of flames. I haven't followed this entire thread, but opinions about the new logo should go to advocacy. Many people aren't going to subscribe to advocacy just to let a quick opinion be noted. Maybe they're primarily tech people who do have tech questions, and feel that this forum is frequented by people in the know instead of the usual advocacy butterblitters that degrade to ad-hominem attacks and whatnot. Whatever the reason these opinion threads can, do, and will flare up. If you don't like them, delete the threads as the appear, because they will go away fairly quickly once people vent. They continue if you or other people reply to the threads to perpetuate them. Personally in the process I often learn something more, whether about the project or the project community or human nature in general. The occasional bitching session or idiot flare-up is something that just has to be dealt with, whether through the occasional interaction or by ignoring it so it goes away faster. However...there should be somewhere else where people can state their political views to too. -questions is not that list. Let's make sublists for everything! Where's logo-is-okay-but-only-if-not-idealogically-motivated-freebsd-list? You know, sometimes lists create communities in themselves. Sometimes people will vent or ask questions or opinions merely because they respect the people (or are looking for responses from the people) who frequent a particular list, so a little leeway should be given. Like I said...don't reply, and the thread dies off fairly quick. I find top posting to rattle my cage a lot faster than some random topic on the list that may or may not be exactly the most appropriate. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: And I am not trying to argue and make claims about how inexcusable it is either. I merely pointed out to Ted that he is not in the FreeBSD project and therefore does not have say. Chad this is bullshit. First of all the ENTIRE point of this new logo is to increase USE of FreeBSD among the people that allegedly will not use it because of religious devil objections. IN SHORT, this logo is FOR THE USERS, NOT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE PROJECT. This is factually incorrect. The purpose of having a logo to replace the mascot as a logo was to project a more professional image. And that is for the people in the project who want to see FreeBSD taken more seriously as well as for the users. Beastie is a toy and unprofessional. He is fun and can be a great mascot. But he is not a logo. As a similar example: Apple Computer used to have a nice multi- colored Apple logo. It was nice, but kind of toy-like and got old. Apple replaced it with a much more professional looking modernized one-color version. There was nothing wrong with the old version except that it got old and dated and looked unprofessional and more toy-like. Same (generally speaking) is needed with FreeBSD. FreeBSD needs to take a step upwards and become more professional looking. So think a lot of users and obviously project members. There is a minority who is offended by Beastie. I can't help that. A logo coincidentally solves their problem as well, but that is not the main point. If you think so you need to pull your head out of your dogmatic sandpile. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is somewhat troublingIf it cannot be seen that the FreeBSD community as a whole does not let the layman's views of what is considered professional dictate the way they live and make choices then this discussion is not going to end up anywhere . The OS didn't come this far from following what was acceptable in the mainstream. Well that may not be entirely true but the point I am trying to make is that not using an OS based on what the logo is a lot like not hiring someone based on their looks. While I know this happens these days, it is not company I would ever chose to work for. The reasons are simple1) it is just plain wrong, and 2) I am an UGLY dude! My mom always told me that it is inside that counts and this is no different. Now, if people do not want to use an OS on the basis of what they dream beastie represents, then what makes you think the same people are going to adopt FreeBSD when the logo changes. The sex toy still has horns for christs sake! That goes without saying that those same zealots would just have to put in a whole two minutes in google to find the resources that denounce the fact that beastie has anything the do with religion. To put it simply, these people do not want to know what is real. Their whole premise is one of make believeso let them play in blissful ignorance while the only thing we can do is be true to ourselves. word. FreeBSD has been a project that has put energy and time into things that have actually mattered. This is far from that imo and is on the shallow end of the spectrum, if at all. America as a whole is sick and trying to beat them at their own game is just going to make FreeBSD sick as well. My $.02 is on the house. Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 2005-11-02 12:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/05, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 1 November 2005 19:39, stan wrote: YUK! OK I will honestly tell you my first reaction: I laughed until I fell off my chair. Then I put my hand in front of my mouth and whispered OMG. This logo is so bad, especially from a marketing perspective, that it is almost laughable. I hope it disappears quickly. Whoever did this was not a professional graphic designer who knows marketeting and what a logo is for. Sorry to be so brutal. I think the critism is a bit harsh. Any logo for FreeBSD is going to be an lossing battle - how do you please the beastie fans who don't want anything radically different, and those that want a more 'professional' logo. I think this logo does the job very well, all beastie fans can immediatly recognise it for what it is, while someone who is unaware (i.e. the PHB) will only see it as a generic logo. I am not 100% convinced, but if you say so. It seems to be that the religious fundamentalist who thinks Beastie is the Devil, or something, will sooner or later look at the new logo and think: ``It looks like a head. A horned head. A red, horned head. OH MY FRIGGIN' GOD! THAT'S THE DEVIL HIMSELF!'' Then all the fuss about a new logo has been in vain :( ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:50 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Logo I think the critism is a bit harsh. Any logo for FreeBSD is going to be an lossing battle - how do you please the beastie fans who don't want anything radically different, and those that want a more 'professional' logo. Beastie is not an 'unprofessional' logo. I think this logo does the job very well, Obviously. all beastie fans can immediatly recognise it for what it is, But, it's uglier than Beastie. Why trade away a good image of Beastie for an ugly one? while someone who is unaware (i.e. the PHB) will only see it as a generic logo. The folks that objected to Beastie are going to object to this one for the same reasons. It's red. It has horns. It must be of the Devil. My God, the wonderful Rush Limbaugh, says so. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Folks, Re: the new logo Although it may be reasonable to create a FreeBSD logo to supplant the Beastie mascot, unfortunately this thing that has seemingly won a contest is not a logo. It is really just another mascot, this time with a kind of Pokemon kind of look to it. Now that is fine if you want yet another mascot with a somewhat different look. But, if you are looking for a logo to represent FreeBSD, this doesn't do it. It doesn't look rock stable, or powerful. It doesn't represent a server nor a network tool nor a data processor and, despite its Pokemon appearance, not even like a game server. It doesn't have anything about it that looks like an open source community supported project. Actually, it makes me think more of that flighty thing they have to catch in the Quidich game in Harry Potter, only in a different color. Which doesn't represent either stability or service to me, but rather elusiveness and unmanageability. So, it's cute, sort of, if you like those sort of things. But, it is not a _logo_ to represent FreeBSD. Sorry, jerryJerry McAllister[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:31 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Logo Folks, Re: the new logo Although it may be reasonable to create a FreeBSD logo to supplant the Beastie mascot, unfortunately this thing that has seemingly won a contest is not a logo. It is really just another mascot, this time with a kind of Pokemon kind of look to it. We are lucky the only thing that was 'redone' was the head. Imagine what the entire body would have ended up looking like! (shudder) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:04:11PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: it was said by stanb: YUK! -- U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror - New York Times 9/3/1967 Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. Isn't that the truth. -- U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror - New York Times 9/3/1967 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 11/2/05, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:15 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: New Logo On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 21:48:57 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [missing attribution to Greg Lehey] On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 14:15:30 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: On Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:32 PM, Chad Leigh wrote: And I suspect the majority of people are of the same mind. Quite obviously, the boot-lickers of the conservative right don't understand this - my choice of language was intended to knock some sense in to them. Greg, I don't know why I bother even trying to be nice to you, you can be such a puffed up crumb when you want to be. And now would you please shut up? Yes, there are others on the list who are behaving just as badly as you. Your opinion, they probably wouldn't agree. If you decide Beastie isn't important enough to bother defending, that's your choice. Of course I will note that you had no problem getting the attention for your books by using Beastie images on their covers. You are embarrassing yourself. Greg is a great contributor to freebsd, who also just made probably the first mature post on this topic. Making it a personal attack makes you look like a baby. I hope some of the people acting the same way aren't representative of the freebsd community. So much is said about the mature community of freebsd and so much derision often directed to linux script kiddies. Well this post makes me long to read a list of slashdot replies. And if you're referring using the beastie on his book The Complete FreeBSD, I hardly think it was responsible for it's success. Might have something to do with being one of the best books on FreeBSD sysadmin out there at the moment. Can't comment on his other books, haven't read them. Anyway I'm sure he could defend himself, not that he needs to. The point is, why is everyone making things personal? Like a personal attack on the artist who made the logo? If you don't like a piece of art, or music, it doesn't mean the artist or composer is a loser, it's just your personal opinion. If you say you don't like it, people respect your opinion. If you make an unnecessary, scathing, frothing at the mouth personal attack, people realise you must have some vested interest that makes you so critical. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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YUK! -- U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror - New York Times 9/3/1967 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
--- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Does the new Logo remind you of pokemon ? man I had a good laugh when i read the comments on slashdot On 11/1/05, Peter Matulis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Antoine W. Solomon Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Peter Matulis wrote: --- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. Even though I was in favor of a logo being made for FreeBSD (we can keep beastie as a mascot), the winner is not what I would call a good logo for the purposes for which logos are used... Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 01/11/05 15:21 -0500, Peter Matulis wrote: --- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. I think it looks more demonic (not daemonic - heh.) than it used to. The original logo had a cutesy impish feel to it. Jason ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Peter Matulis wrote: --- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. I could almost buy the arguments for the need of a logo distinct from a mascot, but... A) Does FreeBSD actually have a marketing department? I was under the impression it didn't. So how can you have a good argument for needing a separate logo? Admins trying to argue for using FreeBSD in a corporate environment simply don't include the Beastie images if their PHBs are that offended by it... B) I keep getting the feeling that this (logo is not a mascot! We need to sell to corporates with a serious image!), is more of a way to justify an underlying motive, and that is people are offended by the devil imagery and can't separate it from the tongue-in-cheek daemon reference. If that is the actual reason...it's offensive to people who probably don't even know what a daemon actually is or what the reference came from...I would prefer not to have any logo creation. It has a very oily feel to the whole thing to have people maneuvering to change something they find religiously offensive under the guise of something happy and positive for the group. THIS IS WONDERFUL FOR THE PROJECT! IT HELPS OUR IMAGE AND WE'LL BE MORE POPULAR AND CORPORATIONS WILL LOVE IT AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DEVIL THING even though that's a totally coincidental bonus that never once occurred to me while lobbying to change...er, create...a logo... That said, I personally thought it looked like a nice logo if I was looking at the right one. It would make a nice glass paperweight to sell. But...I still don't like what I feel was the real reason for the change. But that's just me, I guess. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Bart Silverstrim wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Peter Matulis wrote: --- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. I could almost buy the arguments for the need of a logo distinct from a mascot, but... A) Does FreeBSD actually have a marketing department? -advocacy@ would probably be the closest thing. Could this discussion please go over there, perhaps? Or perhaps even better, just keep going on the slashdot thread already started? (the Pokemon bit is hilarious) I sense a long and flaming trail of utterly useless (non-germane) bike shed parts about to descend on this list... ducks, reaching for the Tools menu, Filters at the ready -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On November 1, 2005 02:39 pm, stan wrote: YUK! i rather like it. the font used isn't a favourite, but i think it's kinda cool -- the reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - george bernard shaw ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
it was said by stanb: YUK! -- U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror - New York Times 9/3/1967 Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. shudders, stheg __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Logo
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:32 PM To: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: New Logo On Nov 1, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Peter Matulis wrote: --- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. Even though I was in favor of a logo being made for FreeBSD (we can keep beastie as a mascot), the winner is not what I would call a good logo for the purposes for which logos are used... Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. This is a contest that never should have happened for a reason that has no real justification, it is no wonder it produced a big turd. And I will bet money that it will not change the marketing distribution of FreeBSD against Linux one smacking iota. And I will bet even more money that the people like you who were in favor of jettisoning Beastie will never admit that, nor will you ever go to the effort of doing the research to prove that your desire to kill Beastie was the right thing to do, insofar that it helped get FreeBSD into a greater market share. Just remember - this is the BEST that the contest produced. Imagine what most of the rest of the entries looked like!!! Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Ted, you are an *sshole On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:32 PM To: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: New Logo On Nov 1, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Peter Matulis wrote: --- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. Even though I was in favor of a logo being made for FreeBSD (we can keep beastie as a mascot), the winner is not what I would call a good logo for the purposes for which logos are used... Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. This is a contest that never should have happened for a reason that has no real justification, it is no wonder it produced a big turd. And I will bet money that it will not change the marketing distribution of FreeBSD against Linux one smacking iota. And I will bet even more money that the people like you who were in favor of jettisoning Beastie will never admit that, nor will you ever go to the effort of doing the research to prove that your desire to kill Beastie was the right thing to do, insofar that it helped get FreeBSD into a greater market share. Just remember - this is the BEST that the contest produced. Imagine what most of the rest of the entries looked like!!! Ted --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Line wrap recovered. On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 14:15:30 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: On Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:32 PM, Chad Leigh wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Peter Matulis wrote: Even though I was in favor of a logo being made for FreeBSD (we can keep beastie as a mascot), the winner is not what I would call a good logo for the purposes for which logos are used... Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. This is a contest that never should have happened for a reason that has no real justification, it is no wonder it produced a big turd. I don't completely disagree with your opinions, but I find your attitude and language offensive. Please stick to the list charter. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpbwN4GBdq3T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and your whining and complaining whenever the logo thing comes up is really tiresome. The people who run the project decided to create a new logo. It sucks but hey, it is better than beastie as a logo. Beastie is a fine mascot but he is not a logo. if you want a BSD with a beastie as a logo, go fork your own where you are master This is a contest that never should have happened for a reason that has no real justification, it is no wonder it produced a big turd. And I will bet money that it will not change the marketing distribution of FreeBSD against Linux one smacking iota. And I will bet even more money that the people like you who were in favor of jettisoning Beastie will never admit that, nor will you ever go to the effort of doing the research to prove that your desire to kill Beastie was the right thing to do, insofar that it helped get FreeBSD into a greater market share. Just remember - this is the BEST that the contest produced. Imagine what most of the rest of the entries looked like!!! Ted --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
i just saw this. just my opinion... i was going to keep to myself but... i like freebsd a lot. The people who run the project decided to create a new logo. ok... It sucks big time... like, really. it looks like a pig head from the future or something... but hey, it is better than beastie as a logo. not true... Beastie is a fine mascot but he is not a logo. can be both... if you want a BSD with a beastie as a logo, go fork your own where you are master is this valid for everybody that does not agree with the contest winner? get FreeBSD into a greater market share. why? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Tuesday 1 November 2005 19:39, stan wrote: YUK! OK I will honestly tell you my first reaction: I laughed until I fell off my chair. Then I put my hand in front of my mouth and whispered OMG. Now the question is who's going to be the first to have the guts to shelve it again, cause really what the heck are we supposed to be, the Matrix in Red? (that's 20th century BTW, the world moved on since). This is so alien to this project you don't even know where to start in commenting on it. I guess the devil's out but incomprehensible 20th century quasi 3d flash is in? Look at me I can Gimp. Not that I really care, but, man, if you insist to be the laughing stock by all means go ahead... Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Tuesday 1 November 2005 22:22, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and It's not yours either. That's no reason to discard one's opinion, especially if that person arguably has the same stake/interest/influence as you do. It's a non defense. I clashed with Ted at some times but I have the same opinion and taking into account the way the discussion went back then any shadenfreude isn't unappropriate IMHO. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: ... SNIP ... Just remember - this is the BEST that the contest produced. Imagine what most of the rest of the entries looked like!!! Ted Oh good Lord - how true that is! -- Best regards, Chris No major project is ever installed on time, within budgets, with the same staff that started it. Yours will not be the first. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On 11/1/05, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 1 November 2005 19:39, stan wrote: YUK! OK I will honestly tell you my first reaction: I laughed until I fell off my chair. Then I put my hand in front of my mouth and whispered OMG. This logo is so bad, especially from a marketing perspective, that it is almost laughable. I hope it disappears quickly. Whoever did this was not a professional graphic designer who knows marketeting and what a logo is for. Sorry to be so brutal. VHH ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Tuesday 1 November 2005 23:20, virgil huston wrote: On 11/1/05, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 1 November 2005 19:39, stan wrote: YUK! OK I will honestly tell you my first reaction: I laughed until I fell off my chair. Then I put my hand in front of my mouth and whispered OMG. This logo is so bad, especially from a marketing perspective, that it is almost laughable. I hope it disappears quickly. Whoever did this was not a professional graphic designer who knows marketeting and what a logo is for. Sorry to be so brutal. You're not brutal. You're honest and, IMHO, perfectly realistic. I didn't even talk about requirements, and I'm not an expert, but this certainly doesn't seem to be easily scalable, printable, etc on arbitrary media. That's another point (one which was to be the main reason to have the contest) which is what you are making here (correct me if I'm wrong). A simple stylished F with two little horns on top of it and probably most of us would have loved it. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
