RE: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
On 02 May 2006, at 9:52 PM, Bakki Kudva wrote: FIXED! I have Ruby 1.8.4 in my tree now. I had not done... # portsnap extract I was a bit mislead because when I did # portsnap fetch after downloading it said it was 'extracting'. So I skipped extract. My bad. I still would like to ask you gurus a couple of questions if I may. 1. During sysinstall it had asked me if I wanted the ports collection installed which had 13,000 apps, would take 400MB of space yada yada yada...I assumed by saying yes and since I was installing off the boot only CD I would get the LATEST ports from the main site. Why didn't I? In chapter 4.5 of the handbook portsnap is given as an alternative to sysinstall. So what is the difference between ports installed via sysinstall vs. that from portsnap? Shouldn't be one... =/ 2. Unrelated: I did a pkg_version and see that there are a whole bunch of packages (may be 80-90%) which need updating. I am just trying FreeBSD for now on my laptop which is an old Gateway with Pentium II 400 MHz. It took nearly 2-3 days !!! (it would pause with some dialog which needed human input so I am not sure how long it might have taken with me sitting in front of it all the time) to install gnome2 from the ports. I don't know how long it might take to do a complete system upgrade. So the question I have is on current technology (say Athlon64 or Coreduo with 1GB of RAM) how long does it take to install a complete system + upgrade it to the ports tree for a X-developer workstation? Sorry about the loaded question. Whoah, that should NOT have taken that long. On my el cheapo DSL connection, it takes at most 3 hours to do a port upgrade on my 200mHz Pentium. I would say the Internet speed is hte limiting factor, not the hardware... what sort of connection do you have? Thank you all for helping me resolve this so fast. -bakki On 5/2/06, Daniel Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:37:03PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: I am still running into this problem. I upgraded my ports using portsnap. Ruby version in my ports tree is still 1.8.2 (according to distinfo) while on the web site it shows as ruby-1.8.4_6,1 Also the distinfo on the web site the version was upgraded to 1.8.4 about 3 months ago! So why am I not pulling in the newer version? baffled, Hmm. The first time you use portsnap to update your ports tree, you need to # portsnap fetch # portsnap extract Then, at subsequent updates, you say # portsnap fetch # portsnap update You need to run both to update properly. If that doesn't get you sorted, we'll take another look! Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e- mail / \ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Bye Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:25 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4 On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:52:14PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: FIXED! I have Ruby 1.8.4 in my tree now. I had not done... # portsnap extract I recommend you check out portmanager as well. Makes dealing with port upgrades including all dependencies MUCH easier! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 09:03:58AM -0500, Zimmerman, Eric wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Bye Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:25 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4 On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:52:14PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: FIXED! I have Ruby 1.8.4 in my tree now. I had not done... # portsnap extract I recommend you check out portmanager as well. Makes dealing with port upgrades including all dependencies MUCH easier! Agreed. Portmanager is one of the first things I install on any new machine. Very simple to use, and not prone to all the 'my pkgdb got broke' funkiness so often associated with portupgrade. Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ pgpHgZowqbCaB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
Daniel, Thank you very much for your help. I am golden now. Everything is working and I am really impressed with FreeBSD (I came from Linux world, particularly Debian). I got sound, USB etc working now and the process was quite enjoyable. Your explanation about ports versioning really belongs in the handbook. If you know the doc maintainers it would be great if this info can be added to the handbook. -bakki On 5/2/06, Daniel Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:52:14PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: FIXED! I have Ruby 1.8.4 in my tree now. I had not done... # portsnap extract I was a bit mislead because when I did # portsnap fetch after downloading it said it was 'extracting'. So I skipped extract. My bad. I still would like to ask you gurus a couple of questions if I may. 1. During sysinstall it had asked me if I wanted the ports collection installed which had 13,000 apps, would take 400MB of space yada yada yada...I assumed by saying yes and since I was installing off the boot only CD I would get the LATEST ports from the main site. Why didn't I? In chapter 4.5 of the handbook portsnap is given as an alternative to sysinstall. So what is the difference between ports installed via sysinstall vs. that from portsnap? The ports tree installed by the CD was made at the same time the release was cut. So, due to the enormous amount of work done by all the many porters, it is pretty much obsolete within minutes. The reason? Logistics, pure and simple. It would be impracticable to try and keep the ports tree up to date for the ISOs. I think this applies to the boot-only ISO as well - the installer knows which release it is installing, so it automatically goes and finds the version of the ports tree that was released at the same time. If you have a reasonable connection to the Internet, use portsnap or cvsup to keep your ports tree up to date, as the handbook says. Portsnap maintains some metadata so it can easily track which snapshot you last applied, and can find the appropriate updates to bring you up to date. By contrast, as explained above, sysinstall will install the ports tree as it was at the time your release was cut. (I believe it is possible to tell it to install a different release's ports tree, but why you'd want to isn't quite clear.) Others will assuredly know more of this than I, and if I have anything wrong they will doubtless correct me! (Well, I hope so, any way ;-) 2. Unrelated: I did a pkg_version and see that there are a whole bunch of packages (may be 80-90%) which need updating. I am just trying FreeBSD for now on my laptop which is an old Gateway with Pentium II 400 MHz. It took nearly 2-3 days (it would pause with some dialog which needed human input so I am not sure how long it might have taken with me sitting in front of it all the time) to install gnome2 from the ports. I don't know how long it might take to do a complete system upgrade. So the question I have is on current technology (say Athlon64 or Coreduo with 1GB of RAM) how long does it take to install a complete system + upgrade it to the ports tree for a X-developer workstation? Sorry about the loaded question. I have an Acer Aspire 1360 laptop (AMD Sempron 3000+ (actually rated at 1801.04 MHz, according to dmesg(1)), 512MB RAM), and it takes around 9 or 10 hours to build OpenOffice 2.0. I don't use Gnome or KDE, so don't have any experience of build times on this particular machine. A buildworld takes around an hour and a half to two hours (I don't tend to take measurements, I'm afraid, so am probably not the best person to answer this bit of your question!) I remember from a previous job, using some AMD64 machines with 2GB RAM, a buildworld was complete in something like 45 minutes. That was 5.2-RELEASE. On the other hand, I have an UltraSPARC machine that takes about 9 hours to buildworld... Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
Thanks, I am already using it. -bakki On 5/3/06, Daniel Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 09:03:58AM -0500, Zimmerman, Eric wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Bye Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:25 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4 On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:52:14PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: FIXED! I have Ruby 1.8.4 in my tree now. I had not done... # portsnap extract I recommend you check out portmanager as well. Makes dealing with port upgrades including all dependencies MUCH easier! Agreed. Portmanager is one of the first things I install on any new machine. Very simple to use, and not prone to all the 'my pkgdb got broke' funkiness so often associated with portupgrade. Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 03:21:34PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: Daniel, Thank you very much for your help. I am golden now. Everything is working and I am really impressed with FreeBSD (I came from Linux world, particularly Debian). I got sound, USB etc working now and the process was quite enjoyable. I'm glad to hear it's all going well! FreeBSD is put together in such a way that it is enjoyable to work with - things tend not to change places between releases, and if they do it's usually for a cogent reason. The documentation is great, and so is the community. I hope you enjoy your stay! Your explanation about ports versioning really belongs in the handbook. If you know the doc maintainers it would be great if this info can be added to the handbook. Thanks! I will rewrite it a bit and submit a PR. If the maintainers agree, then it'll get in, I guess. Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ pgpDTHlH560JL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 13:03 -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: Hi, I am learning FreeBSD by installing it on my laptop. I would like to install Ruby 1.8.4 which is listed at http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ as follows: ruby-1.8.4_6,1 An object-oriented interpreted scripting language Long description | Sources | Main Web Site Maintained by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also listed in: Ruby, Ipv6 However when I go to /usr/ports/lang/ (I installed ports off the ftp site) the version I see there is 1.8.2. How do I install the later version? Thanks for your help. -bakki ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bakki, Your ports are out of date, have a look at the manual: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html on how to update. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:03:54PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: Hi, I am learning FreeBSD by installing it on my laptop. I would like to install Ruby 1.8.4 which is listed at http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ as follows: ruby-1.8.4_6,1 An object-oriented interpreted scripting language Long description | Sources | Main Web Site Maintained by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also listed in: Ruby, Ipv6 However when I go to /usr/ports/lang/ (I installed ports off the ftp site) the version I see there is 1.8.2. How do I install the later version? Thanks for your help. You should start by reading http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html I would suggest that probably the easiest method for updating your ports tree is the Portsnap approach. Assuming you are using 6.*, it is part of your base system. Read portsnap(8) for details of how to use it. Then, when your ports tree is up to date, you will find that Ruby 1.8.4 is available. HTH Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ pgp6gvhXbNHeP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
Wow! 4 replies already!! I am really impressed by the Free BSD community :). THis never happens on some of the other lists I am on. Thank you Andy, Robert, Daniel and Michael for your advise. The thing that threw me was that I had checked the ports web site for the Ruby version BEFORE I installed FreeBSD which was just a couple of days ago. So I was wondering why I got Ruby 1.8.2 in my ports tree since I installed using the main site as my ftp source?! I have read the using ports in the hand book but certainly I need to read it more and get familiar with all the commands for using ports. Thank you again. -bakki On 5/2/06, Daniel Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should start by reading http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html I would suggest that probably the easiest method for updating your ports tree is the Portsnap approach. Assuming you are using 6.*, it is part of your base system. Read portsnap(8) for details of how to use it. Then, when your ports tree is up to date, you will find that Ruby 1.8.4 is available. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
On 5/2/06, Bakki Kudva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However when I go to /usr/ports/lang/ (I installed ports off the ftp site) the version I see there is 1.8.2. How do I install the later version? Thanks for your help. Most likely you need to cvsup your ports tree. Look in the FreeBSD handbook for how to do this. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
I am still running into this problem. I upgraded my ports using portsnap. Ruby version in my ports tree is still 1.8.2 (according to distinfo) while on the web site it shows as ruby-1.8.4_6,1 Also the distinfo on the web site the version was upgraded to 1.8.4 about 3 months ago! So why am I not pulling in the newer version? baffled, -bakki On 5/2/06, Daniel Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read portsnap(8) for details of how to use it. Then, when your ports tree is up to date, you will find that Ruby 1.8.4 is available. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bakki Kudva Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:37 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4 I am still running into this problem. I upgraded my ports using portsnap. Ruby version in my ports tree is still 1.8.2 (according to distinfo) while on the web site it shows as ruby-1.8.4_6,1 Also the distinfo on the web site the version was upgraded to 1.8.4 about 3 months ago! So why am I not pulling in the newer version? Did you: portsnap fetch Portsnap update You need to do both every time in order to update the ports collection ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:37:03PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: I am still running into this problem. I upgraded my ports using portsnap. Ruby version in my ports tree is still 1.8.2 (according to distinfo) while on the web site it shows as ruby-1.8.4_6,1 Also the distinfo on the web site the version was upgraded to 1.8.4 about 3 months ago! So why am I not pulling in the newer version? baffled, Hmm. The first time you use portsnap to update your ports tree, you need to # portsnap fetch # portsnap extract Then, at subsequent updates, you say # portsnap fetch # portsnap update You need to run both to update properly. If that doesn't get you sorted, we'll take another look! Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ pgpCOp3Nt5uyd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
FIXED! I have Ruby 1.8.4 in my tree now. I had not done... # portsnap extract I was a bit mislead because when I did # portsnap fetch after downloading it said it was 'extracting'. So I skipped extract. My bad. I still would like to ask you gurus a couple of questions if I may. 1. During sysinstall it had asked me if I wanted the ports collection installed which had 13,000 apps, would take 400MB of space yada yada yada...I assumed by saying yes and since I was installing off the boot only CD I would get the LATEST ports from the main site. Why didn't I? In chapter 4.5 of the handbook portsnap is given as an alternative to sysinstall. So what is the difference between ports installed via sysinstall vs. that from portsnap? 2. Unrelated: I did a pkg_version and see that there are a whole bunch of packages (may be 80-90%) which need updating. I am just trying FreeBSD for now on my laptop which is an old Gateway with Pentium II 400 MHz. It took nearly 2-3 days (it would pause with some dialog which needed human input so I am not sure how long it might have taken with me sitting in front of it all the time) to install gnome2 from the ports. I don't know how long it might take to do a complete system upgrade. So the question I have is on current technology (say Athlon64 or Coreduo with 1GB of RAM) how long does it take to install a complete system + upgrade it to the ports tree for a X-developer workstation? Sorry about the loaded question. Thank you all for helping me resolve this so fast. -bakki On 5/2/06, Daniel Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:37:03PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: I am still running into this problem. I upgraded my ports using portsnap. Ruby version in my ports tree is still 1.8.2 (according to distinfo) while on the web site it shows as ruby-1.8.4_6,1 Also the distinfo on the web site the version was upgraded to 1.8.4 about 3 months ago! So why am I not pulling in the newer version? baffled, Hmm. The first time you use portsnap to update your ports tree, you need to # portsnap fetch # portsnap extract Then, at subsequent updates, you say # portsnap fetch # portsnap update You need to run both to update properly. If that doesn't get you sorted, we'll take another look! Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nubie question - Ports - Ruby 1.8.4
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:52:14PM -0400, Bakki Kudva wrote: FIXED! I have Ruby 1.8.4 in my tree now. I had not done... # portsnap extract I was a bit mislead because when I did # portsnap fetch after downloading it said it was 'extracting'. So I skipped extract. My bad. I still would like to ask you gurus a couple of questions if I may. 1. During sysinstall it had asked me if I wanted the ports collection installed which had 13,000 apps, would take 400MB of space yada yada yada...I assumed by saying yes and since I was installing off the boot only CD I would get the LATEST ports from the main site. Why didn't I? In chapter 4.5 of the handbook portsnap is given as an alternative to sysinstall. So what is the difference between ports installed via sysinstall vs. that from portsnap? The ports tree installed by the CD was made at the same time the release was cut. So, due to the enormous amount of work done by all the many porters, it is pretty much obsolete within minutes. The reason? Logistics, pure and simple. It would be impracticable to try and keep the ports tree up to date for the ISOs. I think this applies to the boot-only ISO as well - the installer knows which release it is installing, so it automatically goes and finds the version of the ports tree that was released at the same time. If you have a reasonable connection to the Internet, use portsnap or cvsup to keep your ports tree up to date, as the handbook says. Portsnap maintains some metadata so it can easily track which snapshot you last applied, and can find the appropriate updates to bring you up to date. By contrast, as explained above, sysinstall will install the ports tree as it was at the time your release was cut. (I believe it is possible to tell it to install a different release's ports tree, but why you'd want to isn't quite clear.) Others will assuredly know more of this than I, and if I have anything wrong they will doubtless correct me! (Well, I hope so, any way ;-) 2. Unrelated: I did a pkg_version and see that there are a whole bunch of packages (may be 80-90%) which need updating. I am just trying FreeBSD for now on my laptop which is an old Gateway with Pentium II 400 MHz. It took nearly 2-3 days (it would pause with some dialog which needed human input so I am not sure how long it might have taken with me sitting in front of it all the time) to install gnome2 from the ports. I don't know how long it might take to do a complete system upgrade. So the question I have is on current technology (say Athlon64 or Coreduo with 1GB of RAM) how long does it take to install a complete system + upgrade it to the ports tree for a X-developer workstation? Sorry about the loaded question. I have an Acer Aspire 1360 laptop (AMD Sempron 3000+ (actually rated at 1801.04 MHz, according to dmesg(1)), 512MB RAM), and it takes around 9 or 10 hours to build OpenOffice 2.0. I don't use Gnome or KDE, so don't have any experience of build times on this particular machine. A buildworld takes around an hour and a half to two hours (I don't tend to take measurements, I'm afraid, so am probably not the best person to answer this bit of your question!) I remember from a previous job, using some AMD64 machines with 2GB RAM, a buildworld was complete in something like 45 minutes. That was 5.2-RELEASE. On the other hand, I have an UltraSPARC machine that takes about 9 hours to buildworld... Dan -- Daniel Bye PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc PGP Key fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ pgpT0mIwt001V.pgp Description: PGP signature
