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From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ed Budd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Budd
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:54 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [OT] Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
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>
> It doesn't see
> -Original Message-
> From: Micheal Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:26 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
I'll make this short, sweet, and to the point. The Human Race, is by nature
a lazy race. We, as in, ALL humans, strive to make our life easier. I'm well
aware of monopolies and their effect on us. I'm also aware of how technology
has changed our lives. If you think that you, or I don't have it eas
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From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Micheal Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: Se
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:32 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I said it takes a higher
> talent level to generally administer a un*x box than a windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Micheal Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:23 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
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>
In a message dated 10/26/04 3:38:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>The fact that Cisco does something wrong doesn't somehow make it right for
>Windows. It's not a good excuse either.
Its the way it is, and the way its always been.
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On Oct 26, 2004, at 2:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Integration is what separates the men from the boys, so don't complain.
If it were "easy" most of us would be doing something else.
Not necessarily.
Changing your oil isn't that hard. Most people pay someone else to do
it though.
Fixing a hol
On 2004-10-26 14:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 10/26/04 10:07:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Nonsense, if you ask me. For many reasons:
>>
>> a. Windows doesn't work nicely even for small networks most of the time.
>> It's not the size of the network
In a message dated 10/26/04 10:07:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[much snippage]
>Nonsense, if you ask me. For many reasons:
>
>a. Windows doesn't work nicely even for small networks most of the time.
>
>It's not the size of the network that matters. It's the nature of t
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
In a message dated 10/26/04 12:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If
In a message dated 10/26/04 12:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If you think that administering a Windows server is so simple then
> answer the following test:
>
> How do you lock down an Exchange 5.5 server to prevent a spammer from
> using it as a relay.
>
So who was
- Original Message -
From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Micheal Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:20 AM
Subject
On 2004-10-26 07:42, "Butterworth, Thaddaeus (UI Exploratory)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I work in a testing environment where I have set up both Windows and
> *nix type servers. The first time I set up a server it was Exchange 2003
> on Windows Server 2003. I was able to figure out how to secu
I work in a testing environment where I have set up both Windows and
*nix type servers. The first time I set up a server it was Exchange 2003
on Windows Server 2003. I was able to figure out how to securely set it
up within two hours. On the other hand, setting up ldap on FreeBSD took
me two days.
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:20:08 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
PMFJI, (especially since I'm a newbie) but I think I understand at
least some of what Ted is saying here. I set up a home firewall and
later had a hardware failure. I replaced the box and decided to use
Mandrake Linu
> -Original Message-
> From: Micheal Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:44 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
>
>
We use the term:
"Nuke and repave"
I'll have to remember that.
Ted
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Staroscik
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Ser
In a message dated 10/25/04 1:37:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And this differs from your experience in the Windows world...how? :-)
>>
>>>I'm not sure I understand your question. Rephrase or make it more
>>>specific, because answering to such a vague question is poi
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Jerry McAllister wrote:
[ Do Not Feed The Trolls ]
> > \||/ | | | jgs (__Y__)
> > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>
> Nice artwork. I think I will appropriate it just for fun.
> I hope it is under
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>
> > > I think we all agree that you wouldn't let a windows tech touch your
> > > unix-like box, but you'd have no problem having a unix tech install a
> > > windows application. 'nuf said.
> >
> > Does this make you think at all?
>
>
>
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> > I think we all agree that you wouldn't let a windows tech touch your
> > unix-like box, but you'd have no problem having a unix tech install a
> > windows application. 'nuf said.
>
> Does this make you think at all?
At 02:59 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
Just a side comment from the peanut gallery...
I was referring to the fact that in most cases, the solution in the end
most often IS to just reformat and reinstall because there's so much
cruft/crap/crud in the registry and Windows directories that that is
the bes
On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:33 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
I was referring to problems that require a bit of esoteric knowledge
about how
things work but not really a reinstallation of the entire system, i.e.:
I realize that...at the same time, I don't blame the techs working on
Windows that end up re
On 2004-10-25 13:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 10/25/04 1:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>> And this differs from your experience in the Windows world...how? :-)
>>
>>I'm not sure I understand your question. Rephrase or make it more
>>specific, becau
On 2004-10-25 13:18, Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>>On 2004-10-25 12:49, Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On Oct 25, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On 2004-10-25 11:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/25/04 1:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> And this differs from your experience in the Windows world...how? :-)
>I'm not sure I understand your question. Rephrase or make it more
>specific, because answering to such a vague question is pointless.
On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
And this differs from your experience in the Windows world...how? :-)
I'm not sure I understand your question. Rephrase or make it more
specific, because answering to such a vague question is pointless.
Just a side comment from the peanut gall
On 2004-10-25 12:49, Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Oct 25, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>>On 2004-10-25 11:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> You're also missing my point on this. You don't have to get into
>>> the guts of windows to make it work. You dont have to be
On Oct 25, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On 2004-10-25 11:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're also missing my point on this. You don't have to get into the
guts
of windows to make it work. You dont have to be a programmer to tweak
all of
the applications, in fact I know more than o
- Original Message -
From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:54 AM
Subject: RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
> > T
>
> In a message dated 10/25/04 11:48:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more difficult
> > to be proficient in unix than in windows.
> >
> >what are you talking about "less documentation" for Unix?!? What
>
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:25:21 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/25/04 11:48:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more
> difficult
> > to be proficient in unix
On 2004-10-25 11:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You're also missing my point on this. You don't have to get into the guts
> of windows to make it work. You dont have to be a programmer to tweak all of
> the applications, in fact I know more than one "windows tech" who knows how
> to set things up
In a message dated 10/25/04 11:48:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more difficult
> to be proficient in unix than in windows.
>
>what are you talking about "less documentation" for Unix?!? What
>"Unix" are you
On Oct 25, 2004, at 9:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ask a unix tech to install a windows application, or ask a windows
tech to
install
a unix application. Which do you think has a better chance of success?
The unix tech will have much more easier time installing the Windows
app than the other
> There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more difficult
> to be proficient in unix than in windows.
>
what are you talking about "less documentation" for Unix?!? What
"Unix" are you referring to...Solaris...HPUX..AIX...BSD? I'm sorry to
bite on this flame bait but i've bee
In a message dated 10/24/04 5:54:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I know more than a
> few people,
> small businessmen mostly, who have been completely screwed because their
> almost
> totally incompetent unix tech guy left the company.
>
Ted wrote...
>For every small bus
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:22:17 +0200, Stefan [Swebase AB]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have tried searching for this but i only get reports made by students
> and private programmers, i trust a programmer more than a large
> corporation any day but to show a person i know and convince him i
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:40 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
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>
&g
In a message dated 10/23/04 11:27:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I have tried searching for this but i only get reports made by students
>and private programmers, i trust a programmer more than a large
>corporation any day but to show a person i know and convince him i
On 10/23/2004 at 5:22 PM Stefan [Swebase AB] wrote:
|The person i'm trying to convince is a hardcore MS fan so i
| need real evidence of why BSD is better than MS products in
| server environments.
=
Hardcore MS fan? Do you really think that any "hardcore fan" will be open
to a di
- Original Message -
From: "Stefan [Swebase AB]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:22 PM
Subject: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
[...]
Some friends of mine have told me that yahoo, msn and microsoft all
u
Stefan [Swebase AB] wrote:
I have tried searching for this but i only get reports made by students
and private programmers, i trust a programmer more than a large
corporation any day but to show a person i know and convince him i need
some serious investigations made by large corporations into c
Hi
I have tried searching for this but i only get reports made by students
and private programmers, i trust a programmer more than a large
corporation any day but to show a person i know and convince him i need
some serious investigations made by large corporations into comparing
BSD and Window
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