Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS. The only people who deliberately choose

The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-23 - 2005-02-12

2005-02-13 Thread Dan Langille
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:54 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X than from Windows. Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the source and the

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS.

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: I have not used that, but I doubt it beats using a real openssh client inside a unix based terminal emulator in terms of terminal emulation and shell compatibility. SecureCRT emulates a terminal, and does so in a way that is particularly compatible with

X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked reasonably well. How much did he pay for it? I don't know which one he used. Sorry. Many of the ones I saw

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: ? What the heck does this mean? It means that large organizations want to have a single official release of the OS running on all servers, and they expect that release to come formally from a specific official source. Hacking changes into the code and

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: In that case, Windows is the least desirable, as it is not convenient. There are a hundred million users out there who disagree. The amount of crap you have to put up with (viruses, malware, etc) makes them totally inconvenient. See above. Sure it

Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is then link software against the X libraries

Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver

2005-02-13 Thread Volker Kindermann
This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally clear about yet. 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Simple

Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host?

2005-02-13 Thread Jan Grant
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote: Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the intranet, the source

Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host?

2005-02-13 Thread Jan Grant
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Jan Grant wrote: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote: Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another LAN machine. When the router establishes a

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!!

2005-02-13 Thread kamanism
***you are a man of high ideas Ted, but you are overlooking a fundamental aspect, that ALL LIFE IS TEMPORAL - AND MOVES ON WITH CONTINUAL CHANGE AND IMPROVEMENT which means to say : DONT CLING TO THE PAST WHEN OPPORTUNITIES TO PROGRESS OCCUR ***for example almost every week i

Ports

2005-02-13 Thread Grant Peel
Hi all, I have been lambasted a number of times here and there for installing software from source as oppoesed to from ports. My question of the day is, if I need some special ./configure or make arguments added to the build command, how can I install a port with those extra args. exapmple,

routing help

2005-02-13 Thread Warren
I need a way of routing all udp http traffic on ports 6881-6999 that hit machine A to be passed through to machine B on the same ports .. how do i go about doing this with as much simplicity as possible. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu

Re: about cvsup

2005-02-13 Thread Mike Hauber
On Sunday 13 February 2005 02:48 am, jellf nainggolan wrote: anyone can help me how to using cvsup and please step by step The handbook not only gives you step-by-step directions for using cvsup, but it also tells you what you're doing while you're at it. The specific link you're looking for

Resuming compilation sesssion

2005-02-13 Thread Vittorio
With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch with: cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want make make install clean But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared with other people. How can I resume the compilation session from where I stopped it? Ciao

Re: Ports

2005-02-13 Thread Erik Norgaard
Grant Peel wrote: if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to the apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? The options are unfortunately not always too well documented. Some ports

Re: Resuming compilation sesssion

2005-02-13 Thread Erik Norgaard
Vittorio wrote: With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch with: cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want make make install clean But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared with other people. How can I resume the compilation session from where I

Re: routing help

2005-02-13 Thread Hexren
W I need a way of routing all udp http traffic on ports 6881-6999 that hit W machine A to be passed through to machine B on the same ports .. how do i go W about doing this with as much simplicity as possible. - Install pf,ipfw or ipf (I prefer pf

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Simon Burke
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:30:45 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael C. Shultz writes: I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows machines, never my own because it always just

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ramiro Aceves writes: There are not a myth, they are a fact. I have seen bluescreens frecuently in win95 and winMillenium. Neither of these is based on NT, and both are dead products. How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? My girlfriend has got

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Loren M. Lang wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: Hello Anthony Thanks for your reply. Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ramiro Aceves writes: snip I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Loren M. Lang wrote: I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. They some times talk about some experiences about FreeBSD, but never say things like such crap FreeBSD .. as I have heard here many

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Anthony Atkielski wrote: darren kirby writes: I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. I think it's right on the money. The entire Linux movement is fueled by hatred for Microsoft. And the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks like Microsoft

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Anthony Atkielski wrote: darren kirby writes: That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case, but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition. Whatever happened to UNIX _servers_? There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Simon Burke writes: Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP I said Photoshop, not GIMP. I don't want equivalents, I want the same applications. I can get Photoshop on the Mac, so moving to a Mac would not present a problem for Photoshop (although it would for most of my other applications).

Re: Where is freebsd-questions?

2005-02-13 Thread MikeM
On 2/12/2005 at 8:30 AM Napper wrote: |Enough already. | |Please take *all* the off-topic postings to freebsd-chat. | |Thanks, = Good suggestion. For a moment this morning I thought I had stumbled into the -advocacy or -chat group in error

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ramiro Aceves writes: How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? Most companies that write operating systems don't do a very good job of it on the first few tries. The older Mac OS (the one that preceded Mac OS X) was of the same generation as 16-bit Windows 3.x, and had the

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ramiro Aceves writes: I do not think that the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks, the goal of Linux is to make a OS that can do whatever you want. It can talk, walk if you need it, it can be a server if you need it. It is a matter of

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ramiro Aceves writes: If windows is the best for you, use it and pay for it, for most of my friends it is windows too (but they are bad boys and do not pay anything), but for me is Linux/FreeBSD. I believe in free software and I will be promoting it among my friends. It's going to be hard

ipfilter and ntp sserver

2005-02-13 Thread dick hoogendijk
I want my local ntp server up and running, so I put in /etc/rc.conf: xntpd_enable=YES but waht are the right rules for ipfilter? Someting like: # Allow out ntp traffic pass out quick on rl0 proto tcp from any to any port = 123 flags S keep state pass out quick on rl0 proto udp from any to any

php [re]compile help - sessions

2005-02-13 Thread Colin J. Raven
I know this isn't FreeBSD but perhaps someone knows the way to get this accomplsihed (relatively) painlessly. I have just discovered that php4.3.10 *seems* not to be compiled with session support. php4-extensions *is* installed however, and I note in the Makefile the option WITH_SESSION is set

Re: Where is freebsd-questions?

2005-02-13 Thread Chris
MikeM wrote: On 2/12/2005 at 8:30 AM Napper wrote: |Enough already. | |Please take *all* the off-topic postings to freebsd-chat. | |Thanks, = Good suggestion. For a moment this morning I thought I had stumbled into the -advocacy or -chat group in error As I have posted a few

ipfilter outgoing

2005-02-13 Thread dick hoogendijk
It's difficult to program all outgoing filter rules in ipf. Every now and then I bumb into a blocked connection that I did want to work in the first place. Only because an outgoing port was/is blocked. What is the most secure way to do things? Block all outgoing and open up what I wnat or can I

fsck? problems with machine

2005-02-13 Thread Ben Haysom
Hi I emailed a while back. My machine reboots itself during a portupgrade -a. I was advised to test the CPU and memory, which I have done with cpburn and memtest respectively. They both seem fine. I've re-run fsck, but I don't really understand the results, and I can't find an explanation

Re: Ports

2005-02-13 Thread Colin J. Raven
On Feb 13 at 12:07, Erik Norgaard remarked sagely: Grant Peel wrote: if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to the apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? The options are

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Loren M. Lang
On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 09:00:41PM -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. -- Anthony Sometimes

Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver

2005-02-13 Thread Erik Norgaard
dick hoogendijk wrote: I want my local ntp server up and running, so I put in /etc/rc.conf: xntpd_enable=YES but waht are the right rules for ipfilter? Someting like: # Allow out ntp traffic pass out quick on rl0 proto tcp from any to any port = 123 flags S keep state pass out quick on rl0 proto

Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!!

2005-02-13 Thread Colin J. Raven
On Feb 13 at 10:11, Dave Horsfall broke the silence and said: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: Note: The paypal payment still stands, please provide us with proof you have forwarded the email to 250 people and include your paypal email address where we can send the money!!! What you're

Re: ipfilter outgoing

2005-02-13 Thread Erik Norgaard
dick hoogendijk wrote: It's difficult to program all outgoing filter rules in ipf. Every now and then I bumb into a blocked connection that I did want to work in the first place. Only because an outgoing port was/is blocked. What is the most secure way to do things? Block all outgoing and open up

WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Fafa Diliha Romanova
what's with this badly written error message? # telnet localhost:61 localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? thanks, fafa -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Fafa Diliha Romanova writes: what's with this badly written error message? # telnet localhost:61 localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known Replace the colon with a space in the command line. -- Anthony ___

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Fafa Diliha Romanova writes: what's with this badly written error message? # telnet localhost:61 localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known Replace the colon with a space in the command line. Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. -- Best

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Colin J. Raven
On Feb 13 at 09:53, Fafa Diliha Romanova ASKED: what's with this badly written error message? # telnet localhost:61 localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? No, the syntax is incorrect telnet hostname [space] port_number so in this case:

Re: Dumb question about ports/packages

2005-02-13 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Ian Moore writes: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:50, Matt Rechkemmer wrote: Final question :-), is there anyway to determine if a base package is out of date? Or is just wise to leave the base alone and upgrade when a new release comes along. You should at least update your system when

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chris writes: Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. I don't see how SSH would help when using telnet to connect to arbitrary ports. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Colin J. Raven writes: 1. Unless you *must* use telnet for some reason, it's a good idea to turn it off. Telnet is port 23; this is port 61 (NI-MAIL, whatever that is). Whoever answers will be whatever program is listening on port 61, but it won't be a standard telnet daemon. -- Anthony

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chris writes: Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. I don't see how SSH would help when using telnet to connect to arbitrary ports. Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be,

Re: wireless-to-wired bridging

2005-02-13 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Reid Linnemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm bridging the devices so that the wired and wireless nets will appear to be on the same physical network to eachother. Well, yes, that's what bridging means. Why do you want that? [Is it a Microsoft thing?] I think I was really tired when I wrote

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chris writes: Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be, Telnet passes clear text whereas ssh does not. How can he test something on port 61 without telnet? ssh requires its own port, and since it is a complex

FreeBSD - Is it ok

2005-02-13 Thread Tony King
Hi I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. There is a Unix foundation with OSX but I would like to start from scratch and not have any concerns about messing anything up hence the spare hard drive. Most of the OS's are x86

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Bob Johnson
On Sunday 13 February 2005 09:53 am, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: what's with this badly written error message? # telnet localhost:61 localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known It means it tried to look up localhost:61 and couldn't make sense out of it. I believe servname is

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chris writes: Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be, Telnet passes clear text whereas ssh does not. How can he test something on port 61 without telnet? ssh requires its own port, and since it

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chris writes: I think we're both assuming what the user is doing and the reasons as to why. Let's just agree that: 1. Telnet can use any ports providing the user redirects. 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. 4. ssh also

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Tillman Hodgson
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 09:22:45AM -0600, Chris wrote: 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. Not in a Kerberos environment it doesn't, nor in an transport-mode IPsec environment. Related to that is connections where transport-level encryption typically doesn't matter: connecting over a

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote: *snip* Since the original poster is trying to connect to port 61, I assume he is using telnet to test the service on that port, and so SSH is irrelevant. Regardless of what you assume - the user didn't indicate the reasons for using telnet nor did he relay the reason(s)

Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver

2005-02-13 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:53 +0100 Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ntp is udp-only, see rfc1305. Then how come I read in /etc/services 123/tcp 123/udp network time protocol ? I believe you, but am just curious. -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD

Re: ipfilter outgoing

2005-02-13 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:46:09 +0100 Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beware, that cvsup connects to port 5999, and passive ftp-data connects to some port 1024 depending on server config (however I think default is/should be 49151). I have configures pure-ftpd to use a restrict set op

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-13 Thread Ceri Davies
On 12 Feb 2005, at 07:12, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley and by the FreeBSD Project. Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently? Ceri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ceri Davies writes: Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently? Wow! What a mess! How much would it cost to have a team of lawyers verify that all those copyrights are cleared? Why are people asserting their own copyrights in the code? -- Anthony

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Valentin Nechayev
Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 16:38:18, atkielski.anthony wrote about Re: WEIRD: telnet: 1. Telnet can use any ports providing the user redirects. 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. 4. ssh also can be made to work with any port

Re: FreeBSD - Is it ok

2005-02-13 Thread Wayne
On 2/13/05 15:18, Tony King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. Freebsd wont run on a g4. Try netbsd - http://www.netbsd.org The page for your g4 would be http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc

Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver

2005-02-13 Thread Erik Norgaard
dick hoogendijk wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:53 +0100 Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ntp is udp-only, see rfc1305. Then how come I read in /etc/services 123/tcp 123/udp network time protocol ? I believe you, but am just curious. IANA has decided always to assign both tcp and udp,

Re: Question

2005-02-13 Thread .:PBS:. Medik
Hello again, I'm just returning a final note as you have supplied me with the solution, many thanks. I ditched my 4.6.2R, and found another version in my old stack of CDs' the 4.7 version, and installed like a charm, as you suggested, I did a minimal install and fetched all relevant

Re: ipfilter outgoing

2005-02-13 Thread Erik Norgaard
dick hoogendijk wrote: I have configures pure-ftpd to use a restrict set op known ports to the outside. I also openen up 5999 already. Most problems I encounter are for streaming media. This is blocked most of the time. Are these random ports or always the same? Dunno, I think they are, but it is

Re: WEIRD: telnet

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Valentin Nechayev writes: If I show screenshot with ssh'ing to port 443, will it be convincing? Yes. I'd like to see how it's done, if it can be done, although I'm still now sure how it would be useful. But I'd rather see it used to connect to ports like 25 or 80. Not current telnet,

Re: Newbie upgrade problem

2005-02-13 Thread Ben Dover
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:46:43 -0500, aklist_061666 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I upgraded from freebsd 5.1 to 5.3, and the upgrade went pretty smoothly. I had BIND 9.2.3 running on 5.1, and when I upgraded to 5.3, BIND 9.3.0 was installed. my old named.conf file is still in /etc, but

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Simon Burke
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:29 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Burke writes: Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP I said Photoshop, not GIMP. I use photshop on IRIX i mean, and you can use gimp too, is what i meant. I don't want equivalents, I want the same

Locale settings messed up

2005-02-13 Thread Trey Sizemore
It would appear that my locale settings are defaulting back to C, at least for gnome apps. I log in using GDM and set my locale to en _US but my gnome/gtk apps (specifically mailers like sylpheed and evolution) default to C when sorting my mail folders (case sensitive) or presenting date formats

Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host?

2005-02-13 Thread Alin-Adrian Anton
Daniela wrote: On Saturday 12 February 2005 16:06, Volker Kindermann wrote: Hi Daniela, Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ramiro Aceves writes: How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? Most companies that write operating systems don't do a very good job of it on the first few tries. The older Mac OS (the one that preceded Mac OS X) was of the same generation as 16-bit

Re: Ports

2005-02-13 Thread Paul Schmehl
- Original Message - From: Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:07 AM Subject: Re: Ports Till then, you'll have to look in the Makefile, there are typically a lot of WITH_ or WITHOUT_ options.

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:56:44 +0100 Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to Linux, (I am asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, why it is better) or direct me to a source that might give me some further

Recommended desktop?

2005-02-13 Thread Len Zettel
I am looking for a desktop environment to run with freebsd. I will be the sole user. Must-have: graphical ftp client spreadsheet package capable of handling .xls files word processor capable of handling .doc files ability to handle email web browser. Given the above, the winner will be the one

Printing in KDE

2005-02-13 Thread Randy Powell
Gerald: I have the same problem that you have or still are fighting with printing within kde3. Your error messages are the same. Have you had any success solving the printing problem? Randy Powell Open Source Advocate 2/13/05 ___

Printing in KDE

2005-02-13 Thread Randy Powell
Gerald, I forgot to post my e-mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Randy Powell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Recommended desktop?

2005-02-13 Thread Chris
Len Zettel wrote: I am looking for a desktop environment to run with freebsd. I will be the sole user. Must-have: graphical ftp client spreadsheet package capable of handling .xls files word processor capable of handling .doc files ability to handle email web browser. Given the above, the winner

Crontab script

2005-02-13 Thread Kövesdán Gábor
Hi, I've seen somewhere an easy way to check whether a program with a specified pid is running or not. I've made a crontab script to check my programs based on this. The script is the following: #!/bin/sh PID_FILE=/usr/local/bopm/var/bopm.pid PID=`cat $PID_FILE`

Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!!

2005-02-13 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: This is what's known as a joe job. Now, who has an interest in discrediting php-fusion? eh? Could you perhaps...ermmm...expand on that just a tad? for the benefit of us uninitiated folks... inquiring minds etc. A joe job is a forgery designed

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Jon Drews
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:10:58 -0600, David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of computer and human

Re: Crontab script

2005-02-13 Thread Paul Schmehl
- Original Message - From: Kövesdán Gábor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Crontab script Hi, I've seen somewhere an easy way to check whether a program with a specified pid is running or not. I've made a crontab

Re: Crontab script

2005-02-13 Thread Kövesdán Gábor
Hello, thanks a lot, it is a more advanced idea, I'll consider using it, but since then I've realized what caused my problem. I mistyped a line, and I should have written 21 instead of 2$1. I haven't been very advanced in shell scripting yet. :) Cheers, Gábor Paul Schmehl wrote: - Original

Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!!

2005-02-13 Thread Colin J. Raven
On Feb 14 at 06:36, Dave Horsfall explained: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: This is what's known as a joe job. Now, who has an interest in discrediting php-fusion? eh? Could you perhaps...ermmm...expand on that just a tad? for the benefit of us uninitiated folks... inquiring minds

Re: Concealing short disconnects

2005-02-13 Thread stheg olloydson
it was said: Hello guys! I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second long, but

Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Simon Burke writes: I use photshop on IRIX i mean, and you can use gimp too, is what i meant. According to Adobe, Photoshop exists only for the Mac and Windows. Of course, Mac OS X is based on UNIX, but since it has a proprietary GUI, I don't think that would help much (?). GIMP is not an

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ramiro Aceves writes: Yes, they do what Windows teached them, pointing and clicking accept without reading what the computer says. Windows does not teach anyone to do that. Windows creates the same habits in users that any GUI does. You dont skip the GUI for your windows the same as I do

Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Vulpes Velox writes: I think the problem there is ppl make largely pointless differences between the two... the only difference between a server and desktop, is a desktop needs support sound cards and a the kernel level stuff for GL. There are dramatic differences between servers and

Re: Machine refuses to boot with ACPI enabled by default

2005-02-13 Thread Nate Lawson
Ewald Jenisch wrote: I've got a strange problem wrt. ACPI on one of my boxes under FreeBSD 5.3: The box comes up with ACPI *disabled* by default. Only by manually selecting the menu option that says Boot with ACPI enabled can I make the box run ACPI which is kinda annoying when e.g. I remotely

Re: Ports

2005-02-13 Thread Erik Norgaard
Paul Schmehl wrote: Till then, you'll have to look in the Makefile, there are typically a lot of WITH_ or WITHOUT_ options. When posible, I recommend installing with default options and configure those options manually, otherwise, remember to save your custom options somewhere. It makes upgrade

Re: Belkin wireless card issue

2005-02-13 Thread stheg olloydson
it was said: snip However, my other card, a PCI Belkin Wireless F5D7000 is not being recognized. This is a problem because the integrated NIC has no connection, I'm on a wireless network. Any clue on how to make FreeBSD pickup this interface correctly? Right now it's showing it as unknown

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-13 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are people asserting their own copyrights in the code? Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps? -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-13 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:02:19PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ceri Davies writes: Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently? Wow! What a mess! How much would it cost to have a team of lawyers verify that all those copyrights are cleared? Why are people asserting their

HELP!! sshd permitting password free logins

2005-02-13 Thread Gene
I'm running version 5.3 of freebsd. I'm not sure what I did - I was experimenting in sshd_config. sshd began to permit logins without benefit of password. When logging in (I'm using putty from a local windows machine) I enter the user name. I'm presented with the challenge and the password

Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux

2005-02-13 Thread Ean Kingston
On February 13, 2005 03:53 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows

Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

2005-02-13 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Peter N. M. Hansteen writes: Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps? So? If it's truly open source, the copyrights should be assigned. All it takes is one copyright holder who withdraws a license and an entire package can become unusable. -- Anthony

Re: Ports

2005-02-13 Thread Paul Schmehl
- Original Message - From: Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Ports Taking an arbitrary post, it appears that make.conf is not always the

Re: Recommended desktop?

2005-02-13 Thread Ean Kingston
On February 13, 2005 08:18 am, Len Zettel wrote: I am looking for a desktop environment to run with freebsd. I will be the sole user. Must-have: graphical ftp client spreadsheet package capable of handling .xls files word processor capable of handling .doc files ability to handle email

Updated perl - broke stuff

2005-02-13 Thread Paul Schmehl
I maintain a small hobby website on a volunteer basis. (I do all the technical stuff - server maintenance, etc.) I ran portupgrade today, and there was an update to perl. (I'm using the ports perl.) It broke the webserver. I had to deinstall and reinstall www/p5-libwww, www/mod_perl and

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