Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
On 2/10/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? Maybe that's an option for you, but I'm looking at spending a minimum of another $60 every month to my ISP if I want those services. I haven't been sufficiently impressed to feel that they warrant that extra fee. Maybe they haven't significantly impressed you because you bought the cheap service? Hell - $60 compared to a colo feel of $50? (the cheapest I've seen someone post here) In other words, you have a choice between actually having the physical box right there, vs having it 1000 miles away, and your in a -learning- situation? And your going to cut off your nose to spite your face just because of some issue with your ISP? What are they currently doing to you to warrant that? Without knowing your connectivity and how good/reliable/bad it is it's difficult to make a judgement call. But, I can say from experience that there isn't any -TECHNICAL- reason that cheaper DSL or cable connectivity can't be made as reliable as, say, a T1. There's not many places in the United States that you can't find multiple competing broadband providers. It's a lot different overseas, but here in the US if you don't like your ISP there's usually another one around the corner. Ted But the problem in the US is that the physical lines are owned by one company that all other providers are at the mercy of. There are federal regulations in place to try to keep the line owners (Verizon, SBC, etc.) from abusing their powers, but they are pretty weak. I had this exact situation bite a customer of mine not too long ago. They hosted their server out of their office on DSL with a static IP through Speakeasy (a reseller). Speakeasy informed them that the people that owned the lines (Covad) had sold them to Verizon and that they would have to switch DSL modems, but that the outage should be minimal. I told them to plan for a full day of outage (even though the rep told us 2-3 hours), so they did. Well, when they switched over, something was wrong and the new modem would not connect. After several hours on the phone with Speakeasy, Speakeasy had determined that it was a problem at the CO and that Verizon would have to fix it. We could not call Verizon, they would not speak to us and Speakeasy only had the ability to submit trouble tickets and escalate them (common to all third party providers in our area). Although we screamed and shouted and threatened lawsuits (the customer was a law firm), there was nothing Speakeasy could do. I was then informed that if we had a T1, regulations would require a 24 hour response time, but since this was only Business DSL without a SLA (service level agreement), that it could be a week or two before they got someone to check it out at the CO. Long story short, they were out for a week. Finally it was fixed. We learned then and there that although they may call it Business class DSL and although the company you write your check to every month may have a stellar customer service record, if there is a problem in the last mile or at the CO, then you are at the mercy of whatever major telco owns your lines, and that if you do not have a T1 or higher, or at least DSL service with a SLA, then you are treated no better that a residential customer in terms of returning you back to service (could be 1-2 weeks). I think the OP just wanted a box to tinker with (I would still recommend johncomanies.com as an option), so uptime may not be a huge issue. I just thought I would share the lesson I learned that although they call it Business DSL, give you a static IP and charge you 5x the price for the same speeds, it doesn't always guarantee the same reliability that a T1 or colo facility will have. Preston ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
- Original Message - From: Preston Hagar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? On 2/10/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? Maybe that's an option for you, but I'm looking at spending a minimum of another $60 every month to my ISP if I want those services. I haven't been sufficiently impressed to feel that they warrant that extra fee. Maybe they haven't significantly impressed you because you bought the cheap service? Hell - $60 compared to a colo feel of $50? (the cheapest I've seen someone post here) In other words, you have a choice between actually having the physical box right there, vs having it 1000 miles away, and your in a -learning- situation? And your going to cut off your nose to spite your face just because of some issue with your ISP? What are they currently doing to you to warrant that? Without knowing your connectivity and how good/reliable/bad it is it's difficult to make a judgement call. But, I can say from experience that there isn't any -TECHNICAL- reason that cheaper DSL or cable connectivity can't be made as reliable as, say, a T1. There's not many places in the United States that you can't find multiple competing broadband providers. It's a lot different overseas, but here in the US if you don't like your ISP there's usually another one around the corner. Ted But the problem in the US is that the physical lines are owned by one company that all other providers are at the mercy of. There are federal regulations in place to try to keep the line owners (Verizon, SBC, etc.) from abusing their powers, but they are pretty weak. I had this exact situation bite a customer of mine not too long ago. They hosted their server out of their office on DSL with a static IP through Speakeasy (a reseller). Speakeasy informed them that the people that owned the lines (Covad) had sold them to Verizon and that they would have to switch DSL modems, but that the outage should be minimal. I told them to plan for a full day of outage (even though the rep told us 2-3 hours), so they did. Well, when they switched over, something was wrong and the new modem would not connect. After several hours on the phone with Speakeasy, Speakeasy had determined that it was a problem at the CO and that Verizon would have to fix it. We could not call Verizon, they would not speak to us and Speakeasy only had the ability to submit trouble tickets and escalate them (common to all third party providers in our area). Although we screamed and shouted and threatened lawsuits (the customer was a law firm), there was nothing Speakeasy could do. I was then informed that if we had a T1, regulations would require a 24 hour response time, but since this was only Business DSL without a SLA (service level agreement), that it could be a week or two before they got someone to check it out at the CO. Long story short, they were out for a week. Finally it was fixed. We learned then and there that although they may call it Business class DSL and although the company you write your check to every month may have a stellar customer service record, if there is a problem in the last mile or at the CO, then you are at the mercy of whatever major telco owns your lines, and that if you do not have a T1 or higher, or at least DSL service with a SLA, then you are treated no better that a residential customer in terms of returning you back to service (could be 1-2 weeks). I hate to spoil your rant, (it's a great rant, by the way) but I've been dealing with Verizon for years. What Speakeasy told you wasn't true. Yes, Verizon has an extensive trouble ticket system and they tell all their ISPs that they have to use it. However, Verizon also has a secret set of phone numbers that are direct lines to the support techs. (and no, I ain't giving you or anyone those numbers) For example I just had a situation like that last week - customer DSL line problem. I submitted the trouble ticket then called Verizon with the ticket number and got it fixed in a half hour. If SpeakEasy really wanted to get the 'direct lines to God' phone numbers all they would have had to do is call their Verizon sales rep and ask for them. That's what we did, and SpeakEasy is a hell of a lot bigger than us, and would have a lot more pull so I cannot imagine Verizon telling them to kiss off. Qwest works the same way as well. They have one set of tech numbers for the general public and another set for the ISP's that know how to work the system, and a byzantine
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
- Original Message - From: Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? Maybe that's an option for you, but I'm looking at spending a minimum of another $60 every month to my ISP if I want those services. I haven't been sufficiently impressed to feel that they warrant that extra fee. Maybe they haven't significantly impressed you because you bought the cheap service? Hell - $60 compared to a colo feel of $50? (the cheapest I've seen someone post here) In other words, you have a choice between actually having the physical box right there, vs having it 1000 miles away, and your in a -learning- situation? And your going to cut off your nose to spite your face just because of some issue with your ISP? What are they currently doing to you to warrant that? Without knowing your connectivity and how good/reliable/bad it is it's difficult to make a judgement call. But, I can say from experience that there isn't any -TECHNICAL- reason that cheaper DSL or cable connectivity can't be made as reliable as, say, a T1. There's not many places in the United States that you can't find multiple competing broadband providers. It's a lot different overseas, but here in the US if you don't like your ISP there's usually another one around the corner. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
Subject: Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? If you don't mind the lack of vidio (serial connection or network) then maybe one of these babies might be for you. I want to experement with one with a pci or better slot for a full home server for off the grid homes. Most of these boxes use less than 5 watts total. SBC http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8498487406.html On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:34:47PM -0800, Jay Chandler wrote: Derek Ragona wrote: FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... It does if you buy an ISP account that includes a static IP and does DNS for you or you set up your own DNS and register the server. jerry I'd have interest in the answer to this question as well, as a jailed environment isn't quite what I want either. -- Jay Chandler Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: - Original Message - From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:34:47PM -0800, Jay Chandler wrote: Derek Ragona wrote: FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... It does if you buy an ISP account that includes a static IP and does DNS for you or you set up your own DNS and register the server. But that might actually cost a whole extra $6 a month and isn't it preferable to spend $100 a month at some colo house? Ted Maybe that's an option for you, but I'm looking at spending a minimum of another $60 every month to my ISP if I want those services. I haven't been sufficiently impressed to feel that they warrant that extra fee. -- Jay Chandler Network Administrator, Chapman University 714.628.7249 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Excuse: positron router malfunction ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:34:47PM -0800, Jay Chandler wrote: Derek Ragona wrote: FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... It does if you buy an ISP account that includes a static IP and does DNS for you or you set up your own DNS and register the server. jerry I'd have interest in the answer to this question as well, as a jailed environment isn't quite what I want either. -- Jay Chandler Network Administrator, Chapman University 714.628.7249 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Excuse: Too many interrupts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
I'm looking to rent a low-cost FreeBSD dedicated server or VPS with root access. For a VPS, I realize this is really psuedo-root access. I once rented a VPS on a FreeBSD box that was split into virtual boxes using jail, but wasn't happy with it. So, if it's not a dedicated box, I'm looking for something like Virtuozzo, Xen, vmware running FreeBSD as a guest OS, etc. The box doesn't have to be super-fast or have lots of disk space: just looking for something that will let me play around with ports, pf, run experiments, etc Does anyone have any suggestions? Not sure if it's low-cost, but I've had a box at layeredtech.com for over a year now and been pretty happy with them... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
On 2/7/07, John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 07 February 2007 23:10, Peter Clark wrote: Is this up your alley? http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_vps.html I use this service and highly recommend it, but it definitely falls under the jail category. They've modified the stock FreeBSD jails pretty heavily and most of the time it's not obvious you're running in a jail, but if you want to do anything like create virtual interfaces, use your own mountpoints or (as the OP mentioned) experiment with firewall setups you'll be out of luck. JC does also offer dedicated servers on which they're more than happy to install and support FreeBSD, but I'm not sure that meets the low-cost requirement. JN I would second the John Companies. Also another good one to look at is sevenl.net I had a Ubuntu server there for a while and they were great. They only have FreeBSD as a dedicated option though, no VPS. The dedicated starts at $81 a month, so that may be a little more than you want to spend. Preston ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
Jerry McAllister wrote: The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... It does if you buy an ISP account that includes a static IP and does DNS for you or you set up your own DNS and register the server. jerry I wish that I had that option. I live three blocks away from DisneyLand, and can't get DSL. That leaves Time Warner Cable, and they want highway robbery for a static IP-- at least $120 a month. For that much I'll colocate. -- Jay Chandler Network Administrator, Chapman University 714.628.7249 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Excuse: Too many interrupts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
LayeredTech.com (https://order.layeredtech.com/servers.lt?categoryId=4). If your not in a hurry watch to forums at layeredtech for specials. One special for $59.00, just sold out (http://layer0.layeredtech.com/showthread.php?t=5016) . - Original Message - From: Kelly Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? I'm looking to rent a low-cost FreeBSD dedicated server or VPS with root access. For a VPS, I realize this is really psuedo-root access. I once rented a VPS on a FreeBSD box that was split into virtual boxes using jail, but wasn't happy with it. So, if it's not a dedicated box, I'm looking for something like Virtuozzo, Xen, vmware running FreeBSD as a guest OS, etc. The box doesn't have to be super-fast or have lots of disk space: just looking for something that will let me play around with ports, pf, run experiments, etc Does anyone have any suggestions? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
- Original Message - From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:34:47PM -0800, Jay Chandler wrote: Derek Ragona wrote: FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... It does if you buy an ISP account that includes a static IP and does DNS for you or you set up your own DNS and register the server. But that might actually cost a whole extra $6 a month and isn't it preferable to spend $100 a month at some colo house? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
I'm looking to rent a low-cost FreeBSD dedicated server or VPS with root access. For a VPS, I realize this is really psuedo-root access. I once rented a VPS on a FreeBSD box that was split into virtual boxes using jail, but wasn't happy with it. So, if it's not a dedicated box, I'm looking for something like Virtuozzo, Xen, vmware running FreeBSD as a guest OS, etc. The box doesn't have to be super-fast or have lots of disk space: just looking for something that will let me play around with ports, pf, run experiments, etc Does anyone have any suggestions? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek At 07:01 PM 2/7/2007, Kelly Jones wrote: I'm looking to rent a low-cost FreeBSD dedicated server or VPS with root access. For a VPS, I realize this is really psuedo-root access. I once rented a VPS on a FreeBSD box that was split into virtual boxes using jail, but wasn't happy with it. So, if it's not a dedicated box, I'm looking for something like Virtuozzo, Xen, vmware running FreeBSD as a guest OS, etc. The box doesn't have to be super-fast or have lots of disk space: just looking for something that will let me play around with ports, pf, run experiments, etc Does anyone have any suggestions? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
Derek Ragona wrote: FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... I'd have interest in the answer to this question as well, as a jailed environment isn't quite what I want either. -- Jay Chandler Network Administrator, Chapman University 714.628.7249 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Excuse: Too many interrupts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
Thanks, Derek. I'm not looking to run this machine from home or to co-locate an existing box (though I suppose I could do that). As Jay mentions, I'm looking for something like: http://tektonic.net/unmanaged.html http://www.leeware.com/vps100.html http://rosehosting.com/virtserv.html (all bad examples because none of them offer FreeBSD) -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. On 2/7/07, Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek Ragona wrote: FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... I'd have interest in the answer to this question as well, as a jailed environment isn't quite what I want either. -- Jay Chandler Network Administrator, Chapman University 714.628.7249 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Excuse: Too many interrupts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
Kelly Jones wrote: I'm looking to rent a low-cost FreeBSD dedicated server or VPS with root access. For a VPS, I realize this is really psuedo-root access. I once rented a VPS on a FreeBSD box that was split into virtual boxes using jail, but wasn't happy with it. So, if it's not a dedicated box, I'm looking for something like Virtuozzo, Xen, vmware running FreeBSD as a guest OS, etc. The box doesn't have to be super-fast or have lots of disk space: just looking for something that will let me play around with ports, pf, run experiments, etc Does anyone have any suggestions? I have a box at sonic.net - their standard co-lo box is Linux but if you ask they will install FreeBSD for you on the understanding that they won't support OS problems. See https://tools.sonic.net/signup/1u/ - the nice thing about sonic is you get to talk to real people if you have support issues - their CEO even answers questions in the sonic.* newsgroups. John I don't work for them - I'm just a happy customer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
Try CalPOP... www.calpop.com. They have dedicated P4 3 GHz servers for $125/month no contract with 10MBPS unmetered connectivity with your choice of OS. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Jones Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:53 PM To: Jay Chandler Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS? Thanks, Derek. I'm not looking to run this machine from home or to co-locate an existing box (though I suppose I could do that). As Jay mentions, I'm looking for something like: http://tektonic.net/unmanaged.html http://www.leeware.com/vps100.html http://rosehosting.com/virtserv.html (all bad examples because none of them offer FreeBSD) -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. On 2/7/07, Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek Ragona wrote: FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... I'd have interest in the answer to this question as well, as a jailed environment isn't quite what I want either. -- Jay Chandler Network Administrator, Chapman University 714.628.7249 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Excuse: Too many interrupts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
Is this up your alley? http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_vps.html Thanks, Derek. I'm not looking to run this machine from home or to co-locate an existing box (though I suppose I could do that). As Jay mentions, I'm looking for something like: http://tektonic.net/unmanaged.html http://www.leeware.com/vps100.html http://rosehosting.com/virtserv.html (all bad examples because none of them offer FreeBSD) -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. On 2/7/07, Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek Ragona wrote: FreeBSD runs on most i386 based hardware as long as you have 64 MB ram or more. So you can recycle an old desktop PC to run FreeBSD and then have at it. Or buy a cheap new desktop or refurbished. -Derek The problem with this approach is that it doesn't get you a static IP with proper rDNS and a host of other things... I'd have interest in the answer to this question as well, as a jailed environment isn't quite what I want either. -- Jay Chandler Network Administrator, Chapman University 714.628.7249 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Excuse: Too many interrupts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low-cost dedicated FreeBSD server or non-jail VPS?
On Wednesday 07 February 2007 23:10, Peter Clark wrote: Is this up your alley? http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_vps.html I use this service and highly recommend it, but it definitely falls under the jail category. They've modified the stock FreeBSD jails pretty heavily and most of the time it's not obvious you're running in a jail, but if you want to do anything like create virtual interfaces, use your own mountpoints or (as the OP mentioned) experiment with firewall setups you'll be out of luck. JC does also offer dedicated servers on which they're more than happy to install and support FreeBSD, but I'm not sure that meets the low-cost requirement. JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
