Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages).

[Frank Leonhardt]

On 17/10/2013 17:01, RW wrote:

On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:27:49 +0100
Frank Leonhardt wrote:


On 17/10/2013 15:04, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

I'm using a 72gb swap disk.
I've 10gb RAM

I get this warning:

warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum
recommended amount (8243200 pages). warning: increase
kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap.

What is max. recommended amount based on?
What is the danger of exceeding it?
How should I increase kern.maxswzone?

# sysctl kern.maxswzone
kern.maxswzone: 0
#

Do I set it to the total swap size?
Where is kern.maxswzone described?



I went through this on an earlier version but didn't get any warning.
You might find the answer here:

http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/

The hard limit that's mentioned there is i386 only. I think that may
have changed a bit since 8.2.

This was running 8.2 on AMD64, and it's definitely there (and with the 
same value as the i386 version). The code's there on 9.1, as is the 
manifest constant in param.h and it's still the same value. I haven't 
tried 9.2 yet. So what am I missing about i386?


Thanks, Frank.




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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Scott Ballantyne  wrote:

>
> Adam Vande More wrote:
> >
> > > It does seem like a bit
> > > of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long
> > > gone. Seems like it could do the others.
> > >
> >
> > So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with
> broken
> > linking and dependencies?  Portupgrade will do this if you tell it.  Try
> it
> > out and see what fun you can create.
> >
>
> Not a single program on my system depended on that program being
> rebuilt.


And what about libs it may have left behind and other ports picking up
faulty info?  Then you build unsupported and faultly packages and complain
to the list when something doesn't work.  Just follow /usr/ports/UPDATING
as advised instead of your "shortcuts".


> Portmaster should certainly refuse to rebuild anything that
> did, of course.


Exactly what it did.



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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Scott Ballantyne]

On Mon 14 Oct 2013 Warren Block wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote:
> >>
> >
> > Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0,
> > and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to
> > day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed',
> > not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have
> > been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in
> > most cases.
> 
> I think it does handle renamed ports.  Whether the ones it does not 
> handle are due to missing functionality or because they are difficult or 
> impossible to handle, don't know.

Such was not my experience, Warren. And actually, a google search
while I was trying to solve this turned up many reports of the same
problem over the past years. 

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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Scott Ballantyne]

Adam Vande More wrote:
> 
> > It does seem like a bit
> > of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long
> > gone. Seems like it could do the others.
> >
> 
> So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with broken
> linking and dependencies?  Portupgrade will do this if you tell it.  Try it
> out and see what fun you can create.
> 

Not a single program on my system depended on that program being
rebuilt. Portmaster should certainly refuse to rebuild anything that
did, of course.



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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote:



On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block  wrote:

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote:



What errors, exactly?


Well, for example:

portmaster -Faf
it starts to fetch a bunch of files
it finds a port which has been deleted, such as
linux-base-fc4
and it says, "linux-base-fc4" has been deleted.
terminating
terminating
terminating
etc.


That's correct.  linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by
linux_base-f10.  portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so
evidently it quits.


I understand why portmaster quits that port. It does seem like a bit
of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long
gone. Seems like it could do the others.


Some of them.  It could not update any ports that depend on missing 
ports, which conflicts with the "-a" meaning "all".



If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to
be long.  Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have
to be handled manually.


Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0,
and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to
day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed',
not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have
been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in
most cases.


I think it does handle renamed ports.  Whether the ones it does not 
handle are due to missing functionality or because they are difficult or 
impossible to handle, don't know.

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Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS

[aurfalien]

On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is my Mac
>> faster then my PC" kind of email.
>> 
>> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue.
>> 
> 
> It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for
> those HBAs?

Upon doing this;

sysctl -a | grep mps

I get this;

dev.mps.0.driver_version: 14.00.00.01-fbsd

LSIs site mentions the latest drives at being 17.00.00.00

I'll go ahead and install the latest to see what happens.

Whats the best way to do this, I assume build it and load via loader.conf?

- aurf
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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Scott Ballantyne  wrote:
>
>
> I understand why portmaster quits that port.


Because it has no choice.


> It does seem like a bit
> of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long
> gone. Seems like it could do the others.
>

So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with broken
linking and dependencies?  Portupgrade will do this if you tell it.  Try it
out and see what fun you can create.



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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Scott Ballantyne]

On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block  wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote:
> 
> >>
> >> What errors, exactly?
> >
> > Well, for example:
> >
> > portmaster -Faf
> > it starts to fetch a bunch of files
> > it finds a port which has been deleted, such as
> > linux-base-fc4
> > and it says, "linux-base-fc4" has been deleted.
> > terminating
> > terminating
> > terminating
> > etc.
> 
> That's correct.  linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by 
> linux_base-f10.  portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so 
> evidently it quits.

I understand why portmaster quits that port. It does seem like a bit
of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long
gone. Seems like it could do the others.

> If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to 
> be long.  Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have 
> to be handled manually.

Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0,
and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to
day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed',
not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have
been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in
most cases.

Best,
Scott
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Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?

[Da Rock]

On 10/13/13 17:38, Thomas Mueller wrote:

On the question of playing Adobe Flash in FreeBSD, could one use the MS-Windows 
32-bit version with (i386-)Wine?

I plan to try that.
Apparently that won't solve much. The primary issue now with watching 
flash movies is the drm - on linux it somehow uses hal and dbus, on 
windows it uses the registry.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Charles Swiger]

On Oct 14, 2013, at 12:41 PM, RW  wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700 Charles Swiger wrote:
>> Yes.  Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full
>> timeconsuming fsck in the foreground.
> 
> Journalling removes the need for the background fsck which only recovers
> lost space. 

That and inode link changes (ie, adding or removing files from a directory).

>> With journalling, it should be able to do a journal replay to restore
>> the filesystem to an OK state,
> 
> My understanding is that the journal does nothing to restore the
> filesystem other than keep track of orphaned memory. In all other
> respect it's the job of soft-updates to keep the filesystem in an OK
> state.

Yes, SU is supposed to reorder filesystem operations to provide some level
of "ACID" transaction semantics-- and the journal helps that by avoiding
the need for bgfsck.

> When it doesn't you need a foreground check.
> 
>> but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it
>> usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck.
> 
> I think if the journal fails, you would really need to run at least a
> foreground preen, maybe a full fsck. 

Yes.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Charles Swiger]

Hi--

On Oct 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Daniel Feenberg  wrote:
> This discussion skirts the critical issue - are files that are not open for 
> writing endangered? No description of the uses of journaling can be 
> considered informative if it doesn't address that explicitly. As a naive user 
> I have always assumed that once closed, a file was invulnerable to improper 
> shutdowns, but this discussion shakes that belief.

Well, it's good to be a little paranoid if the data matters.  :-)

First, unless you call fsync() before close() and your OS and/or drive hardware 
isn't being deceptive when fsync() returns about whether the bits have made it 
to permanent storage, then you might be surprised at just how long the 
unwritten buffers containing the last updates to the file data take to get 
properly flushed to disk.

> I expect the answer may be different for SSD and spinning disks.

Second, this is an excellent point: however, it also applies to anything where 
the actual hardware block size does not match the device blocksize that the 
filesystem thinks it has-- so new "4K sector" rotational disks also have some 
risk.

The basic issue with SSDs is that you (or the drive firmware, more precisely) 
need to read in an entire hardware sector, update the portion with changes in 
cache memory, do a bulk-erase of that block, and then scribble that back out.  
Good drive firmware actually writes out to a different block than the original 
for wear-leveling purposes and only updates the flash translation layer once 
the new version of that block is written.  That makes the drive mostly immune 
to major data integrity issues even if powered off in the middle of the process.

Less-than-good firmware, aka buggy firmware, can lead from power-failure to 
data loss of files which were not being modified at the time.  And may you 
possess recent working backups if the FTL somehow ever gets confused!

Regards,
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[David Demelier]

On 14.10.2013 20:43, Adam Vande More wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, CeDeROM  > wrote:
> 
> Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to
> force filesystem check every n-th mount..? 
> 
> 
> Please explain the logic in which this helps anything.
>  
> 
> Or to do a filesystem check
> after crash..?
> 
> 
> Already standard behavior as implicitly seen in this thread.
>  
> 
> Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem
> unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? 
> 
> 
> No and any fs that requires such a system is broken by design.
>  
> 
> That would assume
> disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..?
> 
> What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of
> crash?
> 
> 
> mount -o sync or use ZFS. Both require hardware that correctly report
> success to fsync.

I personnally love ZFS and use it massively on my server, but for a
desktop I think this is a real overkill. Also I don't have so much RAM
to waste for that. I think UFS is enough, however as a modern operating
system I don't expect any data corruption by default using SU+J.

The filesystem domain is not a thing I really know deeply, so thanks for
all you explanation.

PS: the power failure is not the only way that does not shutdown cleanly
the system. There are kernel panics, crash and such of course. Those
which appears sometimes too.

Regards,

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[David Demelier]

On 14.10.2013 18:47, Adam Vande More wrote:
> There is no *warranty* as explicitly stated in
> http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html
> 

Aha, please don't play on words ;-). I think you understood I was
speaking about the filesystem state
not a lawyer issue.
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[David Demelier]

On 14.10.2013 20:08, RW wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:34:36 +0200
> David Demelier wrote:
> 
>> On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote:
> 
>>> If you are having problems with data integrity you might try
>>> gjournal or zfs instead.
>>
>> Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file
>> system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data?
> 
> SU+J isn't a journalled filesytem, it's a filesystem with soft-updates
> that journals information about free space so it can be recovered
> without having to go through the whole filesystem.
> 

Okay, but why the fsck didn't run by itself to detect that the journal
didn't replayed correctly (if I understanding well) to correct the issues?

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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote:


I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and
reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the
past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step
involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this
easily.


What errors, exactly?


Well, for example:

portmaster -Faf
it starts to fetch a bunch of files
it finds a port which has been deleted, such as
linux-base-fc4
and it says, "linux-base-fc4" has been deleted.
terminating
terminating
terminating
etc.


That's correct.  linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by 
linux_base-f10.  portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so 
evidently it quits.


If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to 
be long.  Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have 
to be handled manually.



So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this
and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port'
upgrade of each port?


It should "just work".  Have you converted to pkgng?



I dream of the day that the ports system will "just work". I don't use
binary packages, are you saying that pkgng will deal with this issue
automatically?


No, the concern was that you might have already converted to pkgng but 
still used the old package tools.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[RW]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700
Charles Swiger wrote:

> fsck_y_enable="YES"

One of the most annoying things about SU+J is that fsck asks if you
want to use the journal. So fsck -y wont do a proper check unless the
journal replay fails. 
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Michael Powell]

Charles Swiger wrote:

[snip]
 
> Yes.  Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full timeconsuming
> fsck
> in the foreground.  With journalling, it should be able to do a journal
> replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state, but sometimes that
> doesn't restore consistency, in which case it usually fires off a
> background fsck rather than the foreground fsck.

In my case the journal replay failed, with an error to that effect. All 
partitions other than / failed to mount and after hitting enter at the 
.../bin/sh prompt performed manual fsck on all of them, which found and 
fixed some stuff. Then shutdown -r and everything came up fine (clean) 
afterwards. Net result was no data loss for me.

[snip]

-Mike


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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[RW]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700
Charles Swiger wrote:



> Yes.  Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full
> timeconsuming fsck in the foreground.

Journalling removes the need for the background fsck which only recovers
lost space. 

>  With journalling, it should be
> able to do a journal replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state,

My understanding is that the journal does nothing to restore the
filesystem other than keep track of orphaned memory. In all other
respect it's the job of soft-updates to keep the filesystem in an OK
state. When it doesn't you need a foreground check.

> but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it
> usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck.

I think if the journal fails, you would really need to run at least a
foreground preen, maybe a full fsck. 
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Daniel Feenberg]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Bruce Cran wrote:


On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote:

Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage?


Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not 
the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual 
fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is 
replayed.


This discussion skirts the critical issue - are files that are not open 
for writing endangered? No description of the uses of journaling can be 
considered informative if it doesn't address that explicitly. As a naive 
user I have always assumed that once closed, a file was invulnerable to 
improper shutdowns, but this discussion shakes that belief.


I expect the answer may be different for SSD and spinning disks.

dan feenberg
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[CeDeROM]

Thank you all for good hints! This will come handy! :-)

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Charles Swiger]

On Oct 14, 2013, at 11:33 AM, CeDeROM  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Bruce Cran  wrote:
>> On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote:
>>> Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage?
>> 
>> Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not
>> the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual
>> fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is
>> replayed.
> 
> Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to
> force filesystem check every n-th mount..?

You shouldn't ever need to recheck the filesystem if it was shutdown cleanly.

However, it doesn't hurt to fire off an fsck once a year or so just to look for
any unexpected issues.

> Or to do a filesystem check after crash..?

Yes.  Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full timeconsuming fsck
in the foreground.  With journalling, it should be able to do a journal replay 
to restore the filesystem to an OK state, but sometimes that doesn't restore
consistency, in which case it usually fires off a background fsck rather than
the foreground fsck.

> Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem
> unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume
> disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..?

/etc/rc.conf should support something like the following to do what you ask:

fsck_y_enable="YES"
background_fsck="NO"
force_fsck="YES"

> What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of
> crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-)

Well, you can use mount -o sync and disable write caching via hw.ata.wc=0 or
similar depending on what kind of drives you use.

This will cause a massive loss of write performance, but will greatly improve
reliability-- i.e. fsync() and such are not as likely to lie about whether bits
have made it to disk, even in the face of hardware which lies about 
ATA_FLUSHCACHE
(or SCSI "SYNCHRONIZE CACHE", etc).

Regards,
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Adam Vande More wrote:

>
>
> mount -o sync
>

should be

mount sync

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, CeDeROM  wrote:

> Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to
> force filesystem check every n-th mount..?


Please explain the logic in which this helps anything.


> Or to do a filesystem check
> after crash..?


Already standard behavior as implicitly seen in this thread.


> Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem
> unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount?


No and any fs that requires such a system is broken by design.


> That would assume
> disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..?
>
> What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of
> crash?
>

mount -o sync or use ZFS. Both require hardware that correctly report
success to fsync.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Bruce Cran]

On 10/14/2013 7:33 PM, CeDeROM wrote:

Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to
force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Or to do a filesystem check
after crash..? Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem
unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume
disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..?

What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of
crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-)


As I understand it UFS+J gives the same reliability as UFS with a normal 
fsck after a crash, so on a development system the only ways to improve 
the situation would be to mount with the 'sync' option, disable write 
caching on the disk or to switch to a different filesystem like ZFS.


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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[CeDeROM]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Bruce Cran  wrote:
> On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote:
>> Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage?
>
> Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not
> the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual
> fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is
> replayed.

Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to
force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Or to do a filesystem check
after crash..? Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem
unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume
disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..?

What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of
crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-)

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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Scott Ballantyne]

> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and
> > reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the
> > past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step
> > involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this
> > easily.
> 
> What errors, exactly?

Well, for example:

portmaster -Faf
it starts to fetch a bunch of files
it finds a port which has been deleted, such as
linux-base-fc4
and it says, "linux-base-fc4" has been deleted.
terminating
terminating
terminating
etc.

> 
> > So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this
> > and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port'
> > upgrade of each port?
> 
> It should "just work".  Have you converted to pkgng?
> 

I dream of the day that the ports system will "just work". I don't use
binary packages, are you saying that pkgng will deal with this issue
automatically?

Thanks,
Scott

 
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[RW]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:34:36 +0200
David Demelier wrote:

> On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote:

> > If you are having problems with data integrity you might try
> > gjournal or zfs instead.
> 
> Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file
> system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data?

SU+J isn't a journalled filesytem, it's a filesystem with soft-updates
that journals information about free space so it can be recovered
without having to go through the whole filesystem.




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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Bruce Cran]

On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote:

Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage?


Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, 
not the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a 
manual fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the 
journal is replayed.
For ext3, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ext3.txt 
explains the different modes, with 'ordered' being default:


Data Mode
-
There are 3 different data modes:

* writeback mode
In data=writeback mode, ext3 does not journal data at all.  This mode provides
a similar level of journaling as that of XFS, JFS, and ReiserFS in its default
mode - metadata journaling.  A crash+recovery can cause incorrect data to
appear in files which were written shortly before the crash.  This mode will
typically provide the best ext3 performance.

* ordered mode
In data=ordered mode, ext3 only officially journals metadata, but it logically
groups metadata and data blocks into a single unit called a transaction.  When
it's time to write the new metadata out to disk, the associated data blocks
are written first.  In general, this mode performs slightly slower than
writeback but significantly faster than journal mode.

* journal mode
data=journal mode provides full data and metadata journaling.  All new data is
written to the journal first, and then to its final location.
In the event of a crash, the journal can be replayed, bringing both data and
metadata into a consistent state.  This mode is the slowest except when data
needs to be read from and written to disk at the same time where it
outperforms all other modes.



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Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS

[aurfalien]

On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is my Mac
>> faster then my PC" kind of email.
>> 
>> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue.
>> 
> 
> It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for
> those HBAs?

Hi,

So the firmware versions are as follows;

Intel RS25GB008 which is a rebadged LSI 9207-8e which uses the LSI 2308 
controller;

Intel firmware13.00.66.00-IT

LSI 9206-16e which uses the LSI 2308 controller as well;

LSI firmware 17.00.01.00-IT

Should I specifically set any of the card settings like "hook int" or "bypass 
int hook"... etc...?

- aurf
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Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf

[Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina]

Hi Steve,

I use it as a paticular desktop PC. Well, if you need more details about
it, please, let me know.
What do you think about current tuning?

Thanks
--CJPM


2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina 

> Mmm... just a correction in /etc/sysctl.conf, it seems that by mistake
> I've copied a website link into the file. Sorry, it was a copy-paste error
> :)
>
> % cat /etc/sysctl.conf
> # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $
> #
> #  This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru
> #  ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values.  ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details.
> #
>
> # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes
> that
> # are being run under another UID.
> #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0
> vfs.usermount=1
> hw.snd.default_unit=2
> kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216
> kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768
> kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1
> kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192
> kern.maxfiles=65536
> kern.maxfilesperproc=32768
> net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2
> net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0
> net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0
> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1
> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384
> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216
> net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536
> net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1
> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1
> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192
> net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536
> net.inet.udp.blackhole=1
> net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344
> net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536
> net.local.stream.recvspace=65536
> net.local.stream.sendspace=65536
> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216
> net.inet.ip.random_id=1
>
> # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory.
> vm.max_wired=524288
>
>
>
> 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina 
>
>> Hi people,
>>
>> I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the
>> specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials
>> [2-3], Q&A [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with
>> sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with
>> other examples or experienced users.
>>
>> Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8)
>> variables.
>>
>>  % uname -a
>> FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27
>> 03:52:52 UTC 2013 r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>>  i386
>>
>>  % dmesg | grep CPU
>> CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU)
>> cpu0:  on acpi0
>> p4tcc0:  on cpu0
>>
>>  % dmesg | grep memory
>> real memory  = 2147483648 (2048 MB)
>> avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB)
>>
>>  % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet
>> 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x02 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039
>> rev=0x91 hdr=0x00
>> 42-vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]'
>> 43:device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet'
>> 44-class  = network
>> 45-subclass   = ethernet
>>
>> My /etc/sysctl.conf
>>
>> # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux
>> $
>> #
>> #  This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru
>> #  ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values.  ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details.
>> #
>>
>> # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes
>> that
>> # are being run under another UID.
>> #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0
>> vfs.usermount=1
>> hw.snd.default_unit=2
>> kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216
>> kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768
>> kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1
>> kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192
>> kern.maxfiles=65536
>> kern.maxfilesperproc=32768
>> net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2
>> net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0
>> net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0
>> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1
>> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384
>> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216
>> net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536
>> net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1
>> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1
>> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192
>> net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536
>> net.inet.udp.blackhole=1
>> net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344
>> net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536
>> net.local.stream.recvspace=65536
>> net.local.stream.sendspace=65536
>> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216
>> net.inet.ip.random_id=1
>>
>> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel
>> # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory.
>> vm.max_wired=524288
>>
>> I will appreciate any input about the subject.
>> --CJPM
>>
>> [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html
>> [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING
>> [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning
>> [4]
>> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel
>>
>
>
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[CeDeROM]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Brad Mettee  wrote:
> On 10/14/2013 12:50 PM, CeDeROM wrote:
>> Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not
>> accessed/written on power loss? :-)
>
> Random files can be affected because the sectors of the hard disk containing
> the directory entries for those files, not the file data itself, may be
> damaged (ie: the directory was in the process of being written OR the
> pointer to that SECTOR was in the process of being written).
>
> It doesn't mean a file was in active use, just that a chunk of the disk with
> data relevant to that file was. Keep in mind, one sector of disk may have
> data for a dozen files in it (or more). Damage doesn't have to occur because
> a given file was in use at the time of a crash.

Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage?

> If your power grid is prone to failures or blips, I strongly suggest
> investing in a UPS.

I have UPS in my desktop and also I am working on a laptop, so the
power supply is not the only possible cause of system crash.. this may
be faulty driver, hardware failure, kernel panic, etc.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Brad Mettee]

On 10/14/2013 12:50 PM, CeDeROM wrote:

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Adam Vande More  wrote:

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier
wrote:

Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file
system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data?

As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data
is in sync.  It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are
committed to disk in the event of a power outage.

Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not
accessed/written on power loss? :-)
Random files can be affected because the sectors of the hard disk 
containing the directory entries for those files, not the file data 
itself, may be damaged (ie: the directory was in the process of being 
written OR the pointer to that SECTOR was in the process of being written).


It doesn't mean a file was in active use, just that a chunk of the disk 
with data relevant to that file was. Keep in mind, one sector of disk 
may have data for a dozen files in it (or more). Damage doesn't have to 
occur because a given file was in use at the time of a crash.


If your power grid is prone to failures or blips, I strongly suggest 
investing in a UPS.


Brad

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Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:49 +0200
Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina  wrote:

> Hi people,
> 
> I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the
> specifications of my PC.

As a general rule it is more appropriate to think of tuning in
terms of the workload you intend to apply to your PC. Most changes you can
make will benefit some workflows at the cost of making others less
efficient.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[CeDeROM]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Adam Vande More  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM, CeDeROM  wrote:
>> Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not
>> accessed/written on power loss? :-)
> Prove they weren't.

Hmm, maybe /etc/pwd.db as David mentioned? This is updated on password
change, which does not happen all the time.. so why it was damaged
when no write occured..?

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM, CeDeROM  wrote:

>
> Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not
> accessed/written on power loss? :-)
>

Prove they weren't.

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Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf

[Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina]

Mmm... just a correction in /etc/sysctl.conf, it seems that by mistake I've
copied a website link into the file. Sorry, it was a copy-paste error :)

% cat /etc/sysctl.conf
# $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $
#
#  This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru
#  ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values.  ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details.
#

# Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes
that
# are being run under another UID.
#security.bsd.see_other_uids=0
vfs.usermount=1
hw.snd.default_unit=2
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216
kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768
kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1
kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192
kern.maxfiles=65536
kern.maxfilesperproc=32768
net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2
net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0
net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0
net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1
net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384
net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536
net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1
net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1
net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192
net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536
net.inet.udp.blackhole=1
net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344
net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536
net.local.stream.recvspace=65536
net.local.stream.sendspace=65536
net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216
net.inet.ip.random_id=1

# Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory.
vm.max_wired=524288



2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina 

> Hi people,
>
> I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the
> specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials
> [2-3], Q&A [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with
> sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with
> other examples or experienced users.
>
> Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8)
> variables.
>
>  % uname -a
> FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27
> 03:52:52 UTC 2013 r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>  i386
>
>  % dmesg | grep CPU
> CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU)
> cpu0:  on acpi0
> p4tcc0:  on cpu0
>
>  % dmesg | grep memory
> real memory  = 2147483648 (2048 MB)
> avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB)
>
>  % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet
> 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x02 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039
> rev=0x91 hdr=0x00
> 42-vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]'
> 43:device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet'
> 44-class  = network
> 45-subclass   = ethernet
>
> My /etc/sysctl.conf
>
> # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $
> #
> #  This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru
> #  ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values.  ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details.
> #
>
> # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes
> that
> # are being run under another UID.
> #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0
> vfs.usermount=1
> hw.snd.default_unit=2
> kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216
> kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768
> kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1
> kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192
> kern.maxfiles=65536
> kern.maxfilesperproc=32768
> net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2
> net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0
> net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0
> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1
> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384
> net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216
> net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536
> net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1
> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1
> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192
> net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536
> net.inet.udp.blackhole=1
> net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344
> net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536
> net.local.stream.recvspace=65536
> net.local.stream.sendspace=65536
> net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216
> net.inet.ip.random_id=1
>
> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel
> # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory.
> vm.max_wired=524288
>
> I will appreciate any input about the subject.
> --CJPM
>
> [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html
> [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING
> [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning
> [4]
> http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel
>
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[CeDeROM]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Adam Vande More  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier
> wrote:
>>
>> Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file
>> system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data?
>
> As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data
> is in sync.  It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are
> committed to disk in the event of a power outage.

Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not
accessed/written on power loss? :-)

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier
wrote:

>
> Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file
> system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data?
>

As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data
is in sync.  It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are
committed to disk in the event of a power outage.

On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover
> your data.
>

This is complete garbage when using default settings as you imply below.
The default for ext3 on basically every distro still using ext3 is an
ordered journal and don't even get started on ext4.  NTFS by default
can/will also lose data on a power outage.


> I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the
> default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct
> way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO.
>

There is no *warranty* as explicitly stated in
http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html

The behavior you wish would slow down disk writes by an order of magnitude
and is already available to users willing to use non-default settings.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[CeDeROM]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM, David Demelier
 wrote:
> Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file
> system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data?
>
> On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover
> your data.
>
> I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the
> default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct
> way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO.

Agree :-) SU+J also seems to cause problems on SSD drives:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-February/016420.html

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[David Demelier]

On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400
> Michael Powell wrote:
> 
>> David Demelier wrote:
>>
>>> Hello there,
>>>
>>> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on
>>> my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly
>>> but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was
>>> unable to log in.
>>>
>>> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd
>>> but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else...
>>>
>>> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate
>>> files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere..
> 
> The journalling in  SU+J has nothing to do with data integrity.
> 
> When the system isn't shut-down cleanly, soft-updates are supposed to
> leave the filesystem in a self-consistent state, except that it may
> lose track of some freed disk space. The journal allows that space to
> be recovered without the lengthy background fsck that used to cripple
> performance.
> 
> If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or
> zfs instead.

Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file
system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data?

On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover
your data.

I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the
default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct
way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO.

> If you look back at the lists before these were added
> there was a lot of suspicion about soft-updates and background checks.
> Some of the problems were explained by some (mostly desktop) drives
> incorrecty reporting what has been commited to disk - I don't know
> whether this is still the case.
> 
> 
>> This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat 
>> disconcerting. 
> 
> I think this is probably a good thing. With background checks you would
> (if you were looking) occasionally see "unexpected soft-update
> inconsistency" during the background check, which would lead to a
> foreground check on the next boot.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Reinstall without reformat

[Michael Sierchio]

The brutal and brute-force approach can work - better if you boot from
a USB stick, of course. You can untar base.tzx and kernel.tzx in your
/, with filesystems mounted.  As Polytropon says, do a backup of what
you'll want afterwards.

This approach will leave a lot of cruft (old versions of shared
libraries, etc.), but will certainly work.  Grab the distribution from

(in this case, the example is for 9.2, i386)

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/9.2-RELEASE
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Re: Reinstall without reformat

[Polytropon]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:15 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:
> It is possible to mount filesystems manually from the shell and have 
> bsdinstall continue with the install without formatting them.  It's been 
> a while since I tried that, and I don't recall the exact details. 
> bsdinstall(8) suggests it may be as easy as just having the existing 
> filesystems mounted at /mnt.  Still, not something to try without a 
> backup.

So if I understand everything correctly, the "decision logic"
is -- when partitions do already exist -- as follows:

a) existing partitions not mounted:
   run newfs
   mount partitions
   copy files

b) existing partitions mounted:
   do not run newfs
   copy files

The installer itself doesn't seem to give a hint about
this logic, even though the manual _might_ suggest it.
I haven't examined the source code to fully verify this
logic, even though it would be a reasonable approach.


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Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, O. Hartmann wrote:


FF is in my case 24, too:

pkg info firefox
firefox-24.0,1

Have you done updating the ports regarding

20130929

in /usr/ports/UPDATING? I did on all boxes and on all boxes I did the
tab-stickyness is present.


Firefox 24 allows tab moves for me on both 9-stable and 10-stable.

The pixman update missed some files for me, resolved by using pkg_libchk 
(from sysutils/bsdadminscripts) to find the ports that needed rebuilding 
and then rebuilding them.

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Re: Reinstall without reformat

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote:


On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote:


On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote:

Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk?


Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions.
The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content
will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be
kept, except of course you previously remove everything.


sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not.


Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for
the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html

and

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html

and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions,
even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any
problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again?


It is possible to mount filesystems manually from the shell and have 
bsdinstall continue with the install without formatting them.  It's been 
a while since I tried that, and I don't recall the exact details. 
bsdinstall(8) suggests it may be as easy as just having the existing 
filesystems mounted at /mnt.  Still, not something to try without a 
backup.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[RW]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400
Michael Powell wrote:

> David Demelier wrote:
> 
> > Hello there,
> > 
> > I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on
> > my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly
> > but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was
> > unable to log in.
> > 
> > I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd
> > but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else...
> > 
> > I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate
> > files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere..

The journalling in  SU+J has nothing to do with data integrity.

When the system isn't shut-down cleanly, soft-updates are supposed to
leave the filesystem in a self-consistent state, except that it may
lose track of some freed disk space. The journal allows that space to
be recovered without the lengthy background fsck that used to cripple
performance.

If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or
zfs instead. If you look back at the lists before these were added
there was a lot of suspicion about soft-updates and background checks.
Some of the problems were explained by some (mostly desktop) drives
incorrecty reporting what has been commited to disk - I don't know
whether this is still the case.


> This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat 
> disconcerting. 

I think this is probably a good thing. With background checks you would
(if you were looking) occasionally see "unexpected soft-update
inconsistency" during the background check, which would lead to a
foreground check on the next boot.



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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Michael Powell]

Michael Powell wrote:
[snip]
> The other box is my first foray into the land of GPT, along with SU+J. It
> was sitting at the 'couldn't mount... Press return for /bin/sh' line.
> There was an error indicating that replaying one or more journals had
> failed. I was able to successfully fsck all the other partitions (besides
> /), then rebooted and system came back up OK.

Meant to include also that I booted from a CD with wddiags and ran the Quick 
test and it found no errors on the disk.

[snip]
> 
> -Mike



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Re: Authorisation Errors on 9.2

[Frank Leonhardt]

On 14/10/2013 06:37, Beeblebrox wrote:

Hi,
I Inadvertently posted the gnome-keyring bit. That's almost standard error
message on FreeBSD-Gnome. The relevant bit for the error is in fact:
slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user
However, the user cannot login on a tty without providing a password.

For ssh, the same error and dropped connection occurs for all users. sshd
was modified to allow root login.  All users have valid home directories
defined. From /etc/passwd; I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
sshd:*:22:22:Secure Shell Daemon:/var/empty:/usr/sbin/*nologin*


Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf?

The accounts which try to ssh login also login on host proper and do not
have any login issues when logging-in directly on host - so I think we can
eliminate these problems.


I'm now really guessing - I've not tried 9.2-RELEASE. Given these things 
are usually really obvious when you finally spot them (it happens to me 
a lot, anyway), here are a few obvious things you could think of in case 
it helps. First off, ssh is different from a console login so what's in 
sshd_config matters. That said, the defaults generally work (or used 
to). In no particular order, in sshd_config:


PasswordAuthentication must be "yes"

KerberosOrLocalPasswd probably "yes"

AllowUsers, AllowGroups, DenyUsers and DenyGroups need to be set correctly.

ChrootDirectory - this could cause fun if it's set to something.

Other things that might be interesting are UseLogin and UsePAM.

If this was a fundamental problem with changed defaults in 9.2, I'm sure a lot 
more people would have complained.

Regards, Frank.


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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Michael Powell]

David Demelier wrote:

> Hello there,
> 
> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my
> FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some
> files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in.
> 
> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but
> I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else...
> 
> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files,
> so something should have gone wrong somewhere..
> 
> Any ideas? Should I open a PR?

Not sure there is enough to go on for a PR, but something is weird. 

Friday morning our power went down at home for about three hours after I had 
already left for work. When I came home I found the router/gateway box was 
OK. It is still with the old DOS mbr and disklabel scheme, with softupdates, 
and is a pair of disks gmirrored. 

The other box is my first foray into the land of GPT, along with SU+J. It 
was sitting at the 'couldn't mount... Press return for /bin/sh' line. There 
was an error indicating that replaying one or more journals had failed. I 
was able to successfully fsck all the other partitions (besides /), then 
rebooted and system came back up OK.

Both of these machines were recently updated to 9.2 Release from 9.1. It has 
been approximately 9 months, or so, since I last had a power outage like 
this one. Back then they were still 8.3 I think, did not have SU+J and 
recovered just fine on their own.  

This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat 
disconcerting. Beyond that, however, I do not have any other details or 
data. Nothing to flesh out a PR, but thought I'd mention what I saw in 
conjunction with your experience.

-Mike



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Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 10:23:49AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió:

> > I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head
> > too, rev. r328930.
> > 
> > FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine
> > with drag and drop.
> > 
> > HIH
> > 
> > matthias
> > 
> 
> Sorry,
> 
>  FF is in my case 24, too:
> 
> pkg info firefox
> firefox-24.0,1

root@aurora:~ # pkg_info | fgrep firefox
firefox-24.0,1  Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla

> Have you done updating the ports regarding
> 
> 20130929 

No, I did 'svn co ...' for /usr/ports on an empty machine and compiled
all my used ports based on rev r328930.

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Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs

[O. Hartmann]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:48 +0200
Matthias Apitz  wrote:

> El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 08:54:56AM +0200, O. Hartmann
> escribió:
> 
> > 
> > After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox
> > rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I  do not
> > know whether this has to do with the "great pixman update", because
> > coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of
> > firefox towards revision 23 slipped in.
> > 
> > My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost
> > every-two-day basis or at least weekly.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head
> too, rev. r328930.
> 
> FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine
> with drag and drop.
> 
> HIH
> 
>   matthias
> 

Sorry,

 FF is in my case 24, too:

pkg info firefox
firefox-24.0,1

Have you done updating the ports regarding

20130929 

in /usr/ports/UPDATING? I did on all boxes and on all boxes I did the
tab-stickyness is present.

My ports tree is Revision: 330274,

my OS is as reported above.





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Re: Reinstall without reformat

[Mehmet Erol Sanliturk]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Polytropon  wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote:
> > >> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk?
> > >
> > > Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions.
> > > The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content
> > > will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be
> > > kept, except of course you previously remove everything.
> >
> > sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not.
>
> Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for
> the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html
>
> and
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html
>
> and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions,
> even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any
> problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again?
>
> I know that sysinstall had the option "newfs toggle" so you could
> skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions
> to the desired mountpoints.
>
> It can be seen at
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html
>
> in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24.
>
> I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of
> functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-(
>
> That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from
> the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the
> easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired,
> then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further
> modifications as needed.
>
>
>
> --
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> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
>


OR

Disconnect power line of existing HDD to be reinstalled .
Attach another HDD or drive , for example USB stick .
Perform a fresh install on the new unit .
After verifying that the new install is working properly ,
Shutdown the computer ,
attach power of previous HDD ,
mount it ,
copy all of the new files from freshly installed unit into previous HDD,
Shutdown the computer ,
Disconnect newly installed unit ,
Restart the computer .
It is very likely that your previous HDD will work as like newly installed .

OR

Do the reverse :

>From previous HDD , copy all of the required files to the new HDD .
Disconnect previous HDD or unit .
Continue with the new HDD or unit .

If the previous HDD is not bootable , it is necessary to continue with the
new HDD .

I am applying the second kind of steps for all my new installs .

In that way nothing is broken , even there is no back up of the files
because
nothing applied to the existing HDD .

The cost of this operation is to have a spare disk or a USB stick having
sufficient capacity .
Personally I am not using USB sticks for such operations because they may
fail unexpectedly .

Thank you very much .


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Re: firefox: after update -> version 23: can not swap tabs

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 08:54:56AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió:

> 
> After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox
> rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I  do not
> know whether this has to do with the "great pixman update", because
> coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of firefox
> towards revision 23 slipped in.
> 
> My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost
> every-two-day basis or at least weekly.

Hello,

I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head
too, rev. r328930.

FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine
with drag and drop.

HIH

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Re: Reinstall without reformat

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote:
> >> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk?
> >
> > Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions.
> > The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content
> > will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be
> > kept, except of course you previously remove everything.
> 
> sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not.

Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for
the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html

and

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html

and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions,
even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any
problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again?

I know that sysinstall had the option "newfs toggle" so you could
skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions
to the desired mountpoints.

It can be seen at

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html

in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24.

I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of
functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-(

That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from
the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the
easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired,
then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further
modifications as needed.



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Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote:


Hi,

I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and
reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the
past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step
involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this
easily.


What errors, exactly?


So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this
and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port'
upgrade of each port?


It should "just work".  Have you converted to pkgng?
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Re: Reinstall without reformat

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote:


On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote:

Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk?


Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions.
The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content
will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be
kept, except of course you previously remove everything.


sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not.


I have one directory of data that I want to keep.


You should still make a backup, because "I want to keep" does
imply exactly that in regards of an OS installation. :-)


Absolutely.  With no backup, only one tiny thing can go wrong and the 
data is gone.

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Re: Reinstall without reformat

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote:
> Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk?

Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions.
The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content
will overwritten. Note that "superfluous content" will also be
kept, except of course you previously remove everything.



> I have one directory of data that I want to keep.

You should still make a backup, because "I want to keep" does
imply exactly that in regards of an OS installation. :-)



> I can boot from the
> installer and rm every directory except that (/bin /boot etc), but how
> could I install the OS from there?

You simply re-enter the installer, assign the (existing, but now
empty) partitions to the desired mountpoint, make sure _not_ to
newfs them, and then commit to the installation as usual.

An alternative would be, after "preparing" the partitions, mount
them as desired and extract the installation datasets from the
installation media manually (via shell commands). Still you might
miss other steps the installer performs.



> I've done ZFS on root installs with
> the shell and mounting the zpool to /mnt, would that work here too?

Probably yes (never tried that myself).



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Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[Da Rock]

On 10/12/13 20:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:52 +0200, David Demelier wrote:

I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see.

+1 It's not a browser I like.

Since I'm using my computer for audio production my FreeBSD isn't
maintained, I need to use Linux, so I don't know if Chrome is available
for FreeBSD. When I google (resp. startpage.com search) for FreeBSD and
Chrome, it seems to be that the hits aren't about Chrome, but Chromium
instead.

Chromium doesn't include Adobe Flash,
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome .

Sorry for the noise.

At least we could use Adobe Flash by Chrome with FreeBSD in a virtual
machine running a Linux instead of a Windows guest. Or is Chrome
available for FreeBSD too?

Perhaps you should post the links that don't work with the latest Linux
version of Adobe Flash, so others could test if the issue is really
caused by Flash Player and not by something else.

To add more confusion to this fray, although it may not help with gray 
screen issue, the only reason chromium works (yes, just install the 
nspluginwrapper as per the handbook) is that it is better suited to the 
new pepper style Adobe is going with now.


FWIW, I did put in a port to fix drm issues on any site which was 
stopping videos playing (again, not your specific issue, but what 
appears to be in discussion here) and which allows flash to work using 
any browser - uses linux dbus libraries (weird). Not sure of the status 
though.


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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[Thomas Mueller]

> On 13.10.2013 12:16, CeDeROM wrote:
> > On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier"  > > wrote:
> >> Hello there,
> >> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my
> >> FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some
> >> files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in.
> >> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but
> >> I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else...
> >> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files,
> >> so something should have gone wrong somewhere..
> >> Any ideas? Should I open a PR

> > I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was
> > fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported
> > this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious
> > issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-)

> > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info

> Yes, I've also ran fsck in single user mode after and lot of incorrect
> things were corrected, I wait a bit for answers (if any) before sending
> a PR.

Running fsck in single-user mode may not be sufficient.

You may need to run fsck_ffs from a USB-stick installation or live CD.

I remember reviving a FreeBSD partition that way, normal root partition not 
mounted.

I once revived a FreeBSD partition with fsck_ffs from a USB-stick installation 
of NetBSD 5.1_STABLE i386 after FreeBSD couldn't do it.

It helps to have a UPS to protect against short power failures and allow 
graceful shutdown on longer power outages.


Tom

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Re: Authorisation Errors on 9.2

[Frank Leonhardt]

On 13/10/2013 18:08, Beeblebrox wrote:

I have two strange errors but I am not sure whether they are related.

ERROR-1: Slim allows login without checking for password. /var/log/auth.log
shows:
Oct 13 11:44:57: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user
Oct 13 11:44:57: gnome-keyring-daemon[1225]: couldn't allocate secure memory
to keep passwords and or keys from being written to the disk

ERROR-2: sshd disconnects (drops) client connections immediately after
login. This happens when trying from host its self or some other client.
Testing from host (162.168.1.10 is host's IP)
$ ssh root@192.168.1.10
Password for root@server.freebsd:
Last login: Sun Oct 13 13:02:09 2013
Welcome to myNetwork  (the motd message)
csh: No such file or directory
Connection to 192.168.1.10 closed.

/var/log/auth.log for ssh shows:
Oct 13 19:41:37: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22.
Oct 13 19:42:37: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from
192.168.1.10 port 33248 ssh2
Oct 13 19:42:37: Received disconnect from 192.168.1.10: 11: disconnected by
user

Thanks for any advice on how to resolve these two issues.



The gnome keyring demon does that. I believe it's only warning and I've 
never dug in to the source to find out more but I think it's something 
it can only do on Linux. I'm sure someone will be along in a minute with 
something to say about that.


As to the second problem - csh: No such file or directory. At the risk 
of pointing out the trivial, is root's home directory valid? Why not 
post /etc/passwd and we'll check :-)


Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf?

I assume you've configured sshd to allow direct root logins. If you 
hadn't I think you get a different rejection message (but who knows with 
9.2?)


Regards, Frank.

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Re: APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Carmel wrote:


I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G
Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has
ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have, or at least I
couldn't find any, software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software,
the unit is basically useless.

I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS

dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to
 I need to insure that this is
a "SmartUPS" The unit I am looking at does not qualify.

I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I
intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it.


sysutils/apcupsd works with a lot of APC units.  Offhand, I know it 
works with a several-year-old Back-UPS XS unit (not mine), and with all 
my older Smart-UPS units.  Mac people say that apcupsd works with the 
BE750G: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20100314155518972


The Smart-UPS models are preferred for better quality.  In some of the 
newer units, APC has gone to a proprietary communications protocol. 
The problem units are shown on the apcupsd.com site.

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Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation

[Ian Smith]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:17:20 +1000, yudi v wrote:
 > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith  wrote:
 > > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5
 > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith  wrote:
 > >  > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote:
 > >  > > Hi all,
 > >  > >
 > >  > > Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for
 > full disk
 > >  > > encryption.
[..]
 > > I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka
 > > 'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting
 > > S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild.
 > >
 > >  > And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2].
 > >  >
 > >  > [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk
 > >
 > > That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it
 > > has been for many years.  Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project
 > > years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge.
[..]

 > Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I
 > just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am
 > looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power
 > outage.

Hi Yudi,

you haven't said what sort of machine (desktop/server/laptop) or how 
long a mains power fail runtime you're after, so it's impossible to 
guess what sort of size UPS you might need ..

 > I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS
 > 3112,

I don't know about that model; it makes no mention of shutdown alert / 
control at all, only 'some models' have a USB connector, and I couldn't 
find the manual for it there.  Certainly not all 'desktop' UPSes support 
what's needed to communicate and shutdown cleanly, so check carefully 
both the specs and that software (apcupsd or nut) supports the model.

I gather from your timestamp (and that model) that you may be in 
Australia, in which case you could browse from here for the APCs:

http://www.apc.com/products/category.cfm?id=13&ISOCountryCode=au

[However that page currently throws errors on the various model links of 
'Element CACHE.APCTOSECOUNTRYMAPPINGS is undefined in APPLICATION.' :( ]

 > anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be
 > looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT).

I'm sure there are people here who can advise.  I've only setup Eaton 
and PowerWare UPSes, and those on a Debian linux server, using NUT.

cheers, Ian
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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[David Demelier]

On 13.10.2013 12:16, CeDeROM wrote:
> On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier"  > wrote:
>> Hello there,
>> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my
>> FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some
>> files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in.
>> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but
>> I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else...
>> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files,
>> so something should have gone wrong somewhere..
>> Any ideas? Should I open a PR
> 
> I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was
> fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported
> this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious
> issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-)
> 
> --
> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
> 

Yes, I've also ran fsck in single user mode after and lot of incorrect
things were corrected, I wait a bit for answers (if any) before sending
a PR.

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Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure

[CeDeROM]

On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, "David Demelier"  wrote:
> Hello there,
> I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my
> FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some
> files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in.
> I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but
> I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else...
> I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files,
> so something should have gone wrong somewhere..
> Any ideas? Should I open a PR

I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was fine
running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported this on the
list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious issue as well, if
you make PR I will give +1 :-)

--
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Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?

[Thomas Mueller]

On the question of playing Adobe Flash in FreeBSD, could one use the MS-Windows 
32-bit version with (i386-)Wine?

I plan to try that.

Tom

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Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?

[Bernt Hansson]

On 2013-10-13 01:50, cikitaluzza wrote:

can i run exe files on freeBSD?


Yes, but the files are not called exe files.

it spoils fast or not?

Google translate?

do you have any problems within freeBSD

Yes.

how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core 
processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM?


Download amd64


i want stable os and never to reinstall or update

You should consider pen and paper then.
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Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?

[Polytropon]

Typo warning!

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote:
> > can i run exe files on freeBSD?
> 
> Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For
   ^^^
> DOS EXE and "Windows" EXE files, there are dosbox and wine.
> Those "compatibility packs" can be easily installed. They
> are not part of the OS.

Of course I meant _VMS_ executables.
 ^

Also I don't know if there would be a way to run OS/2 EXE
files. This is probably only possible with a VM running the
appropriate OS/2 version. This approach might also apply
for running Novell NetWare EXE files. There are several
VM systems available for FreeBSD, for example VMWare and
VirtualBox.

I hope I have covered all typical possibilities of what
"exe file" could mean. :-)




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Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation

[yudi v]

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith  wrote:
> In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith  wrote:
>  > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote:
>  > > Hi all,
>  > >
>  > > Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for
full disk
>  > > encryption.
>  >
>  > As far as I can tell, FreeBSD doesn't support suspend to disk on all
>  > architectures. On amd64 the necessary infrastructure doesn't exist,
and on
>  > i386 FPU state is lost, there is no multiprocessor support and some
MSRs are
>  > not restored [1].
>  >
>  > [1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume
>
> Roland, sorry, no; you (and that page) are talking about Suspend to RAM,
> ACPI state S3.  What you've said is correct re Suspend to RAM - though
> some running amd64 have achieved some success on some machines lately;
> most of the issues are with restoring modern video, backlight and such.
>
> Those i386 comments don't apply to my Thinkpad T23s, which suspend and
> resume, in console mode and X, flawlessly on 9.1-R and properly after
> various tweaks on 8.x, 7.x and 6.x - but they're a single core P3-M ..
>
> I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka
> 'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting
> S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild.
>
>  > And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2].
>  >
>  > [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk
>
> That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it
> has been for many years.  Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project
> years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge.
>
> The last laptop I have that will properly hibernate - ie save RAM and
> all state to disk and power off, then reload all RAM and state on power
> return - is a 300MHz Compaq Armada 1500C (mfg '98), but using the older
> APM BIOS rather than ACPI.  (It's still running, 24/7/365 since 2002 :)
>
> cheers, Ian

Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I
just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am
looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power
outage.
I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS
3112<http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE700G-AZ&total_watts=200&tab=features>,
anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be
looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT).

-- 
Kind regards,
Yudi
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Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 04:48 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> Let's hope people are going to get smarter than I assume. :-)

It's new, not even 100 years old. Within our lifetimes people likely
become more stupid, but yes, it will take some generations and people
will get smarter.


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Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:28:40 +0100, gct7photogra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I don't know what others think, but what *I* really want is that the
> free software versions of Flash (gnash and klash, etc) work at least as
> well as versions of Adobe Flash do, or if versions of Adobe Flash are
> to be used, that it will be free and covered by the GPL.

First of all, keep in mind you're "walking corporate territory"
here. No company will give you anything for free, and even if
it looks free, there's a catch somewhere. "Flash" as a technology
is dying. It didn't make the transition to the growing mobile
markets. That's why Adobe does not continue its Linux line of
product - a completely reasoname business decision.

People who use, or to be correct, _abuse_ "Flash" as a replace-
ment for markup and content are not interested in bringing their
"product" to your attention and reception.

What I'd like to see would be a "Flash" plugin integrated in
the web browser, with the option of being switched off. I'd
consider it a "1st class citizen" by demanding that is has the
same status as embedded media, centered text, a PNG image or
a hyperlink, being a "functional module" of the web browser
like the renderer, the CSS interpreter, the JS interpreter
or something like that. Could you imagine to install a pro-
prietary plugin to be able to see a JPG image? To see text
centered? To click on a hyperlink? And all the time keep in
mind that it is backdoored? Hmmm...



> Its unlikely to happen unless we start a campaign among the Free
> Software users of the world to make Flash free software.

That won't happen. "Flash" is the property of a corporation.
The only alternative I see is that this corporation would
"donate" the product, releasing all the sources and abandoning
all involved "lawyer-crap". But that won't happen. I think
most companies better close away the stuff they won't develop
anymore instead of handing it over to a community.



> Yes, I know HTML 5 is just around the corner, but we've seen a
> concerted effort already (in the European Parliament at least) to
> introduce DRM into HTML 5 and though it may make using Flash marginally
> easier, it would be a retrograde step if DRM is to be introduced.

As far as I know, DRM will be covered by the upcoming standard.
This means it will be _possible_ to implement DRM solutions in
HTML. _Using_ them - that's a totally different field.

Keep in mind an important thing:

Alternatives for "Flash" have been around for a decade at least.
Video, audio, interaction - all possible without it. It's not just
about the browser plugin (the "player"), it's also about the
creative tools that people use to "produce" the stuff. Those tools
are offered usually in expensive commercially distributed suites.
As soon as developers and creators get aware of alternatives that
they can learn and use for free, they _might_ change, but only if
the mindset changes.

It's not just about those tools, it's also about file formats.
What I'm talking about is media codecs. Some of them offer DRM
capabilites, others don't. Some of them are highly infected with
patents and other "lawyer-crap". There are reasons why some
systems and environments can play various formats out of the
box, and others can't. Which formats are efficient for use with
the Internet? Which offer "scaling" and streaming capabilities,
important for mobile users who demand "lower quality, less data
transfer, and tolerance to higher latency"? Which codecs can
make use of a decoder made in hardware?

_This_ problem also has to be solved!

Now put this back into relation with my initial idea of making
that kind of "content decoder" part of the web browser. The
same way you see a JPG image on a web page and click on a
hyperlink... It should be easy, but sadly it isn't.

HTML5 tries to solve those problems. Its markup will be better
suited for handling media content, plus CSS and JS will be
important players on the interaction field. There are already
projects that utilize those tools, and _developer tools_ as
well as _creator tools_ will be present. Maybe they will even
be present for free. YouTube can do fine without "Flash" already.
Online games in HTML5 are appearing. On the other hand, "Flash"
is a no-go on mobile, and mobile is becoming more and more
important to consumers. Additionally, more and more people
become aware of the danger of proprietary software (in regards
of privacy and "corporate control", as well as an improving
understanding of what DRM does to their freedom). It will take
some time to show significant effect.

Let's hope people are going to get smarter than I assume. :-)



> So what are we left with?  Free software to replicate what Flash
> does (at least) that does not have the taint of proprietary software?
> Is that not an achievable goal?

It is a _desired_ goal.




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Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 16:50 -0700, cikitaluzza wrote:
> can i run exe files on freeBSD?

The raw answer is, no, you can't.

> it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS
> windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things
> like errors or dll and many things from blue screen.

This doesn't sound like a Windows only error.

> do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like
> blue screen error or driver things and no matter what .

Regarding to driver issues you better stay with Microsoft or switch to
Apple. Hardware and free/libre and open source software requires the
user to learn and take care if hardware is supported.

> how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core
> processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM?

Around 1 GiB could be ok, but also be not enough RAM, but it seems not
to be an issue.

> im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to
> use os type?i like to save pictures and videos

Free/libre and open source software does less good support proprietary
codecs and software. At the moment there is a thread about Adobe Flash
on this list. The best choice could be Windows, perhaps installed as
guest to a virtual machine, so that you always can restore it by using
snapshots.

>  and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my
> all files then i dont need it.i want stable os and never to reinstall
> or update

For multimedia Linux might be better than FreeBSD. Neither Linux, nor
FreeBSD tend to lose data, you even shouldn't lose data when using one
of Microsoft's less good Windows versions. It's more likely that users
have less good backup and archiving strategies.

If you want to consume multimedia by the Internet, you likely need to
install security updates and software to use stuff based on proprietary
software. You could set up a text editor and never need to update or to
reinstall something, but the Internet and consuming multimedia likely
need updates from time to time.

Start an adventure ;), nobody will give you a guarantee,
"self-responsibility" is a catchword for free/libre and open source
software.

FreeBSD and Linux are similar operating systems, on both kernels more or
less the same multimedia applications do run, but the more recent
versions are provided by Linux and multimedia is better supported for
Linux.

I'm an Arch Linux user, it's similar to FreeBSD regarding to a port like
system, however, for your needs IMO Debian Linux stable release might be
the less risky choice. OTOH, why not simply testing FreeBSD?

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Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote:
> can i run exe files on freeBSD?

Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For
DOS EXE and "Windows" EXE files, there are dosbox and wine.
Those "compatibility packs" can be easily installed. They
are not part of the OS.



> it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever
> spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i
> think with things like errors or dll and many things from
> blue screen.do you have any problems within freeBSD or no
> problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and
> no matter what .

Definitely no bluescreens in FreeBSD. The system will behave
exactly as intended and won't "change its mind" a few days
after installation. :-)


> how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2
> dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM?

That's a 64 bit CPU, if I remember correctly. The AMD64 version
should run fine. But as you are a little bit "low on RAM", you
might consider using the i386 version (32 bit version) if you
don't _need_ to run any 64 bit application. Especially as you've
mentioned to run EXE files, this might be the better solution.
>From what I've heared, wine (the "Windows" compatibility pack)
runs better on i386 than on amd64. (I'm running it myself on
the i386 OS on a 64 bit system without any problems.)



> im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest
> me to use os type?

Is this via web? In this case, only the web browser matters.
The typical candidates Firefox and Chrome should be fine.
The OS does not matter here.

If you need a proprietary program to watch the live cameras,
often available only for an outdated "Windows" version, running
it with (the mentioned) wine should work. (I've successfully
tried something like that with a program to watch CCTV cameras
via Internet.)



> i like to save pictures and videos and never lost them,if you
> think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont
> need it.

Definitely no problem. But keep in mind: _You_ are responsible
for creating backups! FreeBSD offers excellent tools to do so,
no matter if you want to backup to disks, DVDs, the Cloud, or
even to old-fashioned tape.

Saving pictures from videos is no problem. There is mplayer and
mencoder. It plays, records and converts _everything_.



> i want stable os and never to reinstall or update

That approach is unreasonable, I think. You _should_ update when
security updates become available. It's in _your_ interest to do
so, because effciency, security and usability improves from version
to version. Luckily, FreeBSD has an easy way of updating the OS.
It's _independent_ (!) from your installed applications and of
course from your data. You can also decide to update your programs
independently.

However, a "install once, then keep using" scenario is easily
possible with FreeBSD. (My home system has been installed in
summer 2011 and worked _flawlessly_ since that point, never
touch a running system.)



I suggest you make yourself familiar with FreeBSD by using the
resources from http://www.freebsd.org/ and you _might_ also want
to check out PC-BSD (might be perfect for what you want) and
VirtualBSD (easy way to try it out without installing it).



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Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote:
> what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2
> dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM

Try 9.2 for AMD64. The i386 version should also work (as
you are "low on RAM" if that might matter, depending on
what non-OS software you're going to run on that machine).



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Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?

[cikitaluzza]

can i run exe files on freeBSD?it spoils fast or not?this question comes from 
fastest ever spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think 
with things like errors or dll and many things from blue screen.do you have any 
problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver 
things and no matter what .how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd 
athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM?im always in 
internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to use os type?i like to 
save pictures and videos and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna 
spoil and lost my all files then i dont need it.i want stable os and never to 
reinstall or update



On Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:44 AM, cikitaluzza  wrote:
 
what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core 
processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM
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Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS

[aurfalien]

On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is my Mac
>> faster then my PC" kind of email.
>> 
>> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue.
>> 
> 
> It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for
> those HBAs?

I'll get you the exact firmware revs on Monday.

I can look on there site but would rather boot and record the exact numbers 
from there.

- aurf
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Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS

[aurfalien]

On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is my Mac
>> faster then my PC" kind of email.
>> 
>> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue.
>> 
> 
> It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for
> those HBAs?

Well, the 2 LSI 9207s are rebadge Intel being Intel RS25GB008 ( 
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/servers/raid/raid-controller-rs25gb008.html
 ) with the latest Intel firmware.

The lone 9206-16e has the latest LSI firmware.

Shall I downgrade to a particular version?

I would love to resolve this performance oddity.

Thanks for getting back to me, I know its a weird one with an annoying subject 
as its apples and oranges.

I would be happy to get you exact info of anything I have, so feel free.

- aurf
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Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?

[gct7photography]

I don't know what others think, but what *I* really want is that the
free software versions of Flash (gnash and klash, etc) work at least as
well as versions of Adobe Flash do, or if versions of Adobe Flash are
to be used, that it will be free and covered by the GPL.

Its unlikely to happen unless we start a campaign among the Free
Software users of the world to make Flash free software.

Yes, I know HTML 5 is just around the corner, but we've seen a
concerted effort already (in the European Parliament at least) to
introduce DRM into HTML 5 and though it may make using Flash marginally
easier, it would be a retrograde step if DRM is to be introduced.

So what are we left with?  Free software to replicate what Flash
does (at least) that does not have the taint of proprietary software?
Is that not an achievable goal?

I can't code but would be willing to join a project with those
achievable goals, but it hasn't appeared yet, so I don't seriously
expect it will happen any time soon.

++ Graham Todd


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Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS

[Mark Felder]

On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to first say that by no means is this a "hey, why is my Mac
> faster then my PC" kind of email.
> 
> I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue.
> 

It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for
those HBAs?
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Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?

[Walter Hurry]

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 05:31:56 +0200, Polytropon wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:54:24 -0400, Glenn Sieb wrote:
>> On 10/11/13 5:38 PM, Walter Hurry wrote:
>> > FreeBSD 9.1
>> > 
>> > I want ONE shared lib; i.e. rsvg.so, which is provided by
>> > x11-toolkits/py-gnome-desktop.
>> > 
>> > Unfortunately, it seems that going the normal route I shall have to
>> > install 80! ports to get it. Is there an easier way?
>> 
>> Actually I think you want x11-toolkits/gtk20..? Would pkg_add work for
>> you?
> 
> Maybe graphics/librsvg2 is better suited (even though it's version 2 of
> the library). The problem initially mentions will remain: lots of
> installation dependencies. Sadly, that seems to be normal today as
> "modern software" tends to rely on layers of libraries of abstraction of
> tools of utilities of stuff of layers of layers of other abstractions.
> :-)
> 
> As you see: "gnome-desktop" and "gtk20". That should bring your warning
> lights up: lots of dependencies ahead!
> 
> When you try to install a "simple desktop environment", you'll be
> confronted with hundreds of packages to be installed, some of them
> you've probably never had thought of in regards of what you "need" to
> install a desktop, such as two or more different databases, LaTeX,
> translators, and other surprising stuff. This will probably apply to
> most complex components and parts of desktop environments or X11
> toolkits (as mentioned above).
> 
> As I mentioned, the librsvg2 port will install lib/librsvg-2.so.
> It might require you to re-install your target application to link
> against that library.
> 
> A library libsvg.so (without version number) doesn't seem to be in the
> ports tree by that name.
> 
> My lazy man's method of searching what port might contain the library:
> Midnight Commander, go to /usr/ports, Meta-?, seach in "pkg-plist",
> search for text "librsvg" and examine the results with PF3. This method
> relies on approaches that might be wrong... :-)
> 
> Note that my (locally installed) ports tree is not up to date anymore so
> you should consider performing a search on a recent tree to make sure I
> didn't miss anything.

Thanks Polytropon, but the one I needed was this:

x11-toolkits/py-gnome-desktop/pkg-plist:%%PYTHON_SITELIBDIR%%/gtk-2.0/
rsvg.so

I have given in, let it install all 80 ports, saved the one shlib I need 
and deleted the ports again. All is now well.

By the way, I needed it for the 'screenlets' Python applications; in 
particular ClockScreenlet.py.

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Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:52 +0200, David Demelier wrote:
> I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see.

+1 It's not a browser I like.

Since I'm using my computer for audio production my FreeBSD isn't
maintained, I need to use Linux, so I don't know if Chrome is available
for FreeBSD. When I google (resp. startpage.com search) for FreeBSD and
Chrome, it seems to be that the hits aren't about Chrome, but Chromium
instead.

Chromium doesn't include Adobe Flash,
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome .

Sorry for the noise.

At least we could use Adobe Flash by Chrome with FreeBSD in a virtual
machine running a Linux instead of a Windows guest. Or is Chrome
available for FreeBSD too?

Perhaps you should post the links that don't work with the latest Linux
version of Adobe Flash, so others could test if the issue is really
caused by Flash Player and not by something else.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[David Demelier]

On 12.10.2013 11:02, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> If you really need to visit sites that need Adobe Flash, you perhaps
> should use the google-chrome browser. For some websites with flash
> content, we don't need flash anymore, just modern HTML5 capable web
> browsers. For *nix there never will be a current version for flashplayer
> again.
> 

Yes I know that adobe flash player for *nix is gone but I'm guessing why
it worked well so much before..

I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see.

Thanks for the hint!

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Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[Ralf Mardorf]

If you really need to visit sites that need Adobe Flash, you perhaps
should use the google-chrome browser. For some websites with flash
content, we don't need flash anymore, just modern HTML5 capable web
browsers. For *nix there never will be a current version for flashplayer
again.

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Re: Q: Updating a port (math:asymptote)

[Jarmo Hurri]

Ralf Mardorf  writes:

> Have you tested Debian's FreeBSD port? Debian GNU/kFreeBSD perhaps
> does provide a more current user space.
> https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD

Hmm, I think I would prefer a distribution with a relatively large user
base. The Wikipedia page also states that there are still major bugs in
the system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD

Still, thanks for the tip.

Jarmo

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Re: Q: Updating a port (math:asymptote)

[Jarmo Hurri]

Steve O'Hara-Smith  writes:

>> 2. Try to become a maintainer. How?
>
>   Step one would be to try bringing the port up to date yourself,
> sometimes it is as easy as editing the Makefile, changing the version
> and running make makesum to update the checksums. Sometimes the
> patches need to be adjusted in which case much depends on how much
> patching was needed in the first place. In the case of asymptote it
> looks like the only patch is adjusting the path to exampledir in
> Makefile.in which ought to be pretty easy to handle.
>
>   If you succeed in bringing the port up to date then your problem
> is solved (you have an up to date version) and if you use send-pr to
> submit the changes to bring it up to date then there's a good chance
> that you'll solve the same problem for everyone else who may want it.

Sounds reasonable. I think I'll give this a try once 10.0 is officially
out.

>   FreeBSD is a volunteer project and the best way to make it
> better is to scratch your itches and contribute the result.

It would be interesting to know how the number of volunteers has changed
during the past couple of years.

Thanks!

Jarmo

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Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:54:24 -0400, Glenn Sieb wrote:
> On 10/11/13 5:38 PM, Walter Hurry wrote:
> > FreeBSD 9.1
> > 
> > I want ONE shared lib; i.e. rsvg.so, which is provided by
> > x11-toolkits/py-gnome-desktop.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, it seems that going the normal route I shall have to 
> > install 80! ports to get it. Is there an easier way?
> 
> Actually I think you want x11-toolkits/gtk20..? Would pkg_add work for you?

Maybe graphics/librsvg2 is better suited (even though it's
version 2 of the library). The problem initially mentions
will remain: lots of installation dependencies. Sadly, that
seems to be normal today as "modern software" tends to rely
on layers of libraries of abstraction of tools of utilities
of stuff of layers of layers of other abstractions. :-)

As you see: "gnome-desktop" and "gtk20". That should bring
your warning lights up: lots of dependencies ahead!

When you try to install a "simple desktop environment", you'll
be confronted with hundreds of packages to be installed, some
of them you've probably never had thought of in regards of
what you "need" to install a desktop, such as two or more
different databases, LaTeX, translators, and other surprising
stuff. This will probably apply to most complex components and
parts of desktop environments or X11 toolkits (as mentioned
above).

As I mentioned, the librsvg2 port will install lib/librsvg-2.so.
It might require you to re-install your target application to
link against that library.

A library libsvg.so (without version number) doesn't seem to
be in the ports tree by that name.

My lazy man's method of searching what port might contain the
library: Midnight Commander, go to /usr/ports, Meta-?, seach
in "pkg-plist", search for text "librsvg" and examine the
results with PF3. This method relies on approaches that might
be wrong... :-)

Note that my (locally installed) ports tree is not up to date
anymore so you should consider performing a search on a recent
tree to make sure I didn't miss anything.



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Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?

[Glenn Sieb]

On 10/11/13 5:38 PM, Walter Hurry wrote:
> FreeBSD 9.1
> 
> I want ONE shared lib; i.e. rsvg.so, which is provided by
> x11-toolkits/py-gnome-desktop.
> 
> Unfortunately, it seems that going the normal route I shall have to 
> install 80! ports to get it. Is there an easier way?

Actually I think you want x11-toolkits/gtk20..? Would pkg_add work for you?

Best,
--Glenn

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Re: Q: Updating a port (math:asymptote)

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:14:48 +0300
Jarmo Hurri  wrote:

> 
> Greetings.
> 
> I would like to switch from Linux to FreeBSD, but am puzzled by the
> timeliness of the ports. In particular, I use a drawing program called

The extent to which any given port is kept up to date depends on
the maintainer.

> asymptote quite heavily in my work. From the ports page I noticed that
> the ports version is approximately 14 months old:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=asymptote
> 
> I tried to contact the maintainer via email, but got no response.
> 
> What would be the correct procedure for trying to get that port updated?
> 
> 1. Somehow get in contact with the maintainer. How? (I tried.)

A non-responding maintainer may be for any number of reasons
including having lost all interest, but sometimes they're just temporarily
unavailable (on holiday, busy with other things ...) and will get back to
it later.

> 2. Try to become a maintainer. How?

Step one would be to try bringing the port up to date yourself,
sometimes it is as easy as editing the Makefile, changing the version and
running make makesum to update the checksums. Sometimes the patches need to
be adjusted in which case much depends on how much patching was needed in
the first place. In the case of asymptote it looks like the only patch is
adjusting the path to exampledir in Makefile.in which ought to be pretty
easy to handle.

The porters handbook has a lot of useful information on what to do
when things get tricky.

If you succeed in bringing the port up to date then your problem
is solved (you have an up to date version) and if you use send-pr to submit
the changes to bring it up to date then there's a good chance that you'll
solve the same problem for everyone else who may want it. 

> 3. Something else?

Wait for someone else to do it.

FreeBSD is a volunteer project and the best way to make it better
is to scratch your itches and contribute the result.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith 
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Re: 9.1 VM nfs3 & locks over VPN

[Rick Romero]

 Update - I've install a 9.1 VM locally, and I don't have the lock issue.
I've also allowed access straight over the internet, and locks don't work.
Now the non-working VM is not pristine like the test VM, but even so the
kernels appear to match based on uname,so I'm guessing it's a problem with
virtio block driver (which is not installed on the local test VM) or
something funky with the hosting providers virtualization.  Does that shed
any light on things?

Quoting Rick Romero :


So let me explain my environment -
I have 1 FreeBSD 7.1 server, multiple Linux boxes, and a FreeBSD 9.0
server.  The 9.0 server is providing NFS3 mounts to all the other

systems.

I've built a remote VM (FreeBSD 9.1 offered by Hosting provider), and
connected it to my network via OpenVPN.  I copied my rc.conf from 9.0
server to 9.1 in order to grab the proper requirements for mount NFS3,

and

it worked fine until I ran my lock test (perl script).  Which really

sucks

because I've already gotten just about everything else I need working :(

I cannot get a lock from any OS on this side of the VPN.  There are no
errors logged anywhere, and adding rpcbind_flags="-l -L" just tells me
that
the local servers are contacted. 
Oct 11 09:43:58 nl101 rpcbind: connect from 172.16.1.21 to
getport/addr(mountd)
Oct 11 09:44:07 nl101 rpcbind: connect from 172.16.1.21 to dump()
Oct 11 09:44:15 nl101 rpcbind: connect from 172.16.1.21 to
getport/addr(nfs)
Oct 11 09:44:16 nl101 rpcbind: connect from 172.16.1.21 to
getport/addr(mountd)
Oct 11 09:44:21 nl101 rpcbind: connect from 172.16.1.21 to
getport/addr(nlockmgr)
Yes lockd is running and the logs show a connection is made to it.  I

even

tried binding rpcbind to just the VPN IP.
What I couldn't do was enable debugging, the -d flag just caused rpcbind
to
hang.
So I'm currently here:
nfs_server_enable="YES"
nfs_server_flags=" -u -t -n12"
nfs_client_enable="YES"
portmap_enable="YES"
mountd_enable="YES"
mountd_flags=" -r"
rpcbind_enable="YES"
rpc_lockd_enable="YES"
rpc_statd_enable="YES"
rpcbind_flags=" -l -L"
#rpc_lockd_flags="-h 10.9.8.6"
#rpc_statd_flags="-h 10.9.8.6"

rpcinfo -p 9.0server
and
rpcinfo -p 9.1server  match
program vers proto   port  service
    10    4   tcp    111  rpcbind
    10    3   tcp    111  rpcbind
    10    2   tcp    111  rpcbind
    10    4   udp    111  rpcbind
    10    3   udp    111  rpcbind
    10    2   udp    111  rpcbind
    10    4 local    111  rpcbind
    10    3 local    111  rpcbind
    10    2 local    111  rpcbind
    15    1   udp    994  mountd
    15    3   udp    994  mountd
    15    1   tcp    994  mountd
    15    3   tcp    994  mountd
    13    2   udp   2049  nfs
    13    3   udp   2049  nfs
    100024    1   udp   1016  status
    100024    1   tcp   1016  status
    13    2   tcp   2049  nfs
    13    3   tcp   2049  nfs
    100021    0   udp    611  nlockmgr
    100021    0   tcp    726  nlockmgr
    100021    1   udp    611  nlockmgr
    100021    1   tcp    726  nlockmgr
    100021    3   udp    611  nlockmgr
    100021    3   tcp    726  nlockmgr
    100021    4   udp    611  nlockmgr
    100021    4   tcp    726  nlockmgr

I'm kinda lost.  I tried getting NFSv4 working, but I couldn't mount the
test export
nfsv4_server_enable="YES"
nfsuserd_enable="YES"
nfs_client_enable="YES"

/nlsysvol/home  -maproot=vpopmail -network 172.16.1.0 -mask

255.255.255.0

V4: /mnt
/mnt/first -maproot=root:  -network 172.16.1.0 -mask 255.255.255.0

The problem with using v4 is that I don't want to upgrade my 7.1 box - it
just works as is :)  But if that's what I have to do, then that's what I
have to do. 
Can someone give me a push in the right direction?  I've been fighting
this for a full day now.

Here's my perl lock script -
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Fcntl qw(:flock);
my $lock_file = 'lockfile';
open(LOCKFILE,">>$lock_file") or die "Cannot open $lock_file: $!\n";
print "Opened file $lock_file\n";
flock(LOCKFILE, LOCK_SH) or die "Can't get shared lock on $lock_file:
$!\n";
print "Got shared lock on file $lock_file\n";
sleep 2;
close LOCKFILE;
print "Closed file $lock_file\n";
exit;
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Re: Q: Updating a port (math:asymptote)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 19:14 +0300, Jarmo Hurri wrote:
> I would like to switch from Linux to FreeBSD, but am puzzled by the
> timeliness of the ports. In particular, I use a drawing program called
> asymptote quite heavily in my work. From the ports page I noticed that
> the ports version is approximately 14 months old:

I guess that if software should depend on many other software, you can't
get latest software versions working on FreeBSD that easy, if at all.

Have you tested Debian's FreeBSD port? Debian GNU/kFreeBSD perhaps does
provide a more current user space.
https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD

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Re: NATD: net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept="1" vs firewall_type="OPEN"

[Chris Stankevitz]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Michael Ross  wrote:
> ipfw always has one default rule, standard is
>
> [snip]
>
> Specifing firewall_type="OPEN" gives you an additional rule


Michael,

Thank you that is exactly what I am seeing.

Chris
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Re: NATD: net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept="1" vs firewall_type="OPEN"

[Michael Ross]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 04:38:45 +0200, Chris Stankevitz  
 wrote:



Hello,

Handbook section 31.9 describes the setup of NAT.

Section 31.9.3 suggests net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept="1" "during
the first attempts to setup a firewall and NAT gateway".

Section 31.9.5 suggests I "specify a predefined firewall ruleset that
allows anything in" with firewall_type="OPEN"

Question: What is the difference between these two configurations (or
where can I go to learn the difference between the two)?

Thank you,

Chris


Hello,

ipfw always has one default rule, standard is

65535 deny ip from any to any

If you set net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept="1", you get

65535 allow ip from any to any

instead.


Specifing firewall_type="OPEN" gives you an additional rule

65000 allow ip from any to any


Now, if for example you execute ``ipfw flush'', thus deleting all rules,
this deletes rule 65000, but the default rule stays in effect.
With ...default_to_accept="0" ( standard setting ) you now have disabled  
all network connections and locked yourself out if you're working remote.



HTH,
Michael
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Re: Why no "ls" on DVD or livefs.iso?

[Polytropon]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 21:45:58 -0500, W. D. wrote:
> Thanks, Polytropon.  I couldn't get FrieSBIE to work.

It's a rather old project, and as far as I know, it isn't
being continued anymore. It should still support at least
the CLI mode for most computers... (I have to admit that
I'm still using it, but usually on _older_ computers where
it often works flawlessly.)



> Hung up.  Used mfsBSD instead.  

Good choice. :-)



> Had to use 8.X because 9.X hangs.  I think it has something
> to do with my PS2 mouse and keyboard.

Can't imagine _that_ as a cause of OS hangs, but it might
still be a hardware compatibility or configuration problem.
If v8 works for you - no problem, it's still supported.



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Re: mpt problem on a Supermicro motherboard (FreeBSD 9.2 amd64)

[Victor Sudakov]

Victor Sudakov wrote:
> 
> I have several Supermicro-based servers with the mpt RAID adapter:
> 
> # mptutil show adapter
> mpt0 Adapter:
>Board Name: UNUSED
>Board Assembly:
> Chip Name: C1068E
> Chip Revision: UNUSED
>   RAID Levels: none
> #
> 
> The problem is, I cannot configure any RAIDs (please see output
> below) from FreeBSD. If I configure volumes from BIOS setup, FreeBSD
> still sees them as separate physical discs.  What am I doing wrong? 
> 
> I cannot use gmirror with these servers because a) if no MPT RAID is
> configured in BIOS setup, it cannot boot from HDD and b) if an MPT
> RAID *is* configured in BIOS setup, it occupies the last sector and
> prevents GEOM from working with these drives. 
> 
> Any help please? (or redirect me to a more appropriate maillist).

After many unsuccessful trials and googling, we had to reconfigure the
adapter from RAID mode to IT mode. It required flashing the adapter's
BIOS from a Supermicro-supplied image and changing a jumper setting on
the motherboard. 

Now as the adapter is in IT mode, it is a plain HBA the BIOS can
boot from, and I have set up a gmirror on the SAS disks.

After flashing the adapter BIOS, don't forget to enter its setup
(Ctrl-C) and enable hotplugging of disks (called "Removable Media
Support" in the menu, off by default).

People come across similar problems and solutions on other OSes, like
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-973912.html


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Russian Barefoot FAQ at http://www.barefooters.ru/barefoot.txt
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Re: Why no "ls" on DVD or livefs.iso?

[Warren Block]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, W. D. wrote:


At 08:47 10/6/2013, Warren Block wrote:

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, W. D. wrote:


Booted with both.  Alt-F4 to get to command line.

Very limited commands: "ls: not found".

Why?  What good are these disks if they don't have
the most basic of commands?


The "emergency holographic shell" was always very limited.  I suspect a
path thing, with it looking for commands on the installed system.  Old
bare-bones tricks like "echo *" help.


Trying to clone a hard disk that has an number
of bad sectors.  Trying to save most of my data.

Want to use "recoverdisk", but can't get the
command line to work.


Use mfsBSD: http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/


Thanks, Warren.  MFSBSD worked for me.

Had to use 8.X because 9.X hangs.  I think it has something
to do with my PS2 mouse and keyboard.  9.X still only seems
to work with USB peripherals--or is something else going on?

I was a bit skittish using "recoverdisk" because I couldn't
find any explicit notation about source and target.

   # clone a hard disk
recoverdisk /dev/ad3 /dev/ad4

As it turns out, the first argument is the source and the
second is the target, as one might intuitively guess.  However,
I've been burned before by guesses, so I hope someone will
update the man pages to make this obvious.


It says

 recoverdisk [-b bigsize] [-r readlist] [-s interval] [-w writelist]
 source [destination]

That seems pretty clear, although the text does not really explain what 
happens if the optional destination is not given.  Output to stdout 
would be the standard expectation.

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Re: Why no "ls" on DVD or livefs.iso?

[W. D.]

At 08:47 10/6/2013, Warren Block wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, W. D. wrote:
>
>> Booted with both.  Alt-F4 to get to command line.
>>
>> Very limited commands: "ls: not found".
>>
>> Why?  What good are these disks if they don't have
>> the most basic of commands?
>
>The "emergency holographic shell" was always very limited.  I suspect a 
>path thing, with it looking for commands on the installed system.  Old 
>bare-bones tricks like "echo *" help.
>
>> Trying to clone a hard disk that has an number
>> of bad sectors.  Trying to save most of my data.
>>
>> Want to use "recoverdisk", but can't get the
>> command line to work.
>
>Use mfsBSD: http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/

Thanks, Warren.  MFSBSD worked for me.

Had to use 8.X because 9.X hangs.  I think it has something
to do with my PS2 mouse and keyboard.  9.X still only seems
to work with USB peripherals--or is something else going on?

I was a bit skittish using "recoverdisk" because I couldn't
find any explicit notation about source and target.

# clone a hard disk
 recoverdisk /dev/ad3 /dev/ad4

As it turns out, the first argument is the source and the
second is the target, as one might intuitively guess.  However,
I've been burned before by guesses, so I hope someone will
update the man pages to make this obvious.








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Re: Why no "ls" on DVD or livefs.iso?

[W. D.]

At 01:58 10/6/2013, Polytropon wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 01:29:19 -0500, W. D. wrote:
>> Booted with both.  Alt-F4 to get to command line.
>> 
>> Very limited commands: "ls: not found".
>
>Try /rescue/ls explicitely instead.
>
>
>
>> Why?  What good are these disks if they don't have
>> the most basic of commands?
>
>Only live systems offer more than the "holographic shell"
>when booted properly. FreeSBIE has been a very good live
>system in the past, but the current installers also allow
>you to drop into a working shell environment at a very
>early stage (from within bsdinstall).
>
>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall/b
>sdinstall-choose-mode.png
>
>This dialog should bring you into a working shell. I've
>been using it myself for disk initialization with a
>FreeBSD 9.1 CD.

Thanks, Polytropon.  I couldn't get FrieSBIE to work.
Hung up.  Used mfsBSD instead.  

Had to use 8.X because 9.X hangs.  I think it has something
to do with my PS2 mouse and keyboard.


>
>
>
>> Trying to clone a hard disk that has an number
>> of bad sectors.  Trying to save most of my data.
>
>A good approach. If possible, try to obtain a 1:1 copy
>of the disk (or partition) and work with that. Check
>the mailing list archives for further inspiration.
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Polytropon
>Magdeburg, Germany
>Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: copying milllions of small files and millions of dirs

[Warren Block]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, aurfalien wrote:



On Aug 15, 2013, at 11:46 PM, Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote:


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:13:25AM -0700, aurfalien wrote:

Is there a faster way to copy files over NFS?


I would use find+cpio. This handles hard links, permissions, and in case
of later runs, will not copy files if they already exist on the
destination.

# cd /source/dir
# find . | cpio -pvdm /destination/dir



Old thread I know but cpio has proven twice as fast as rsync.

Trusty ol cpio.

Gonna try cpdup next.


Try sysutils/clone, too.
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Re: 4K vs 512byte sector drives on Seagate Constellation E.2

[Warren Block]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, aurfalien wrote:


Hi,

I've a Seagate constellation ES.2 which supports 4K sectors but diskinfo shows 
it as 512bytes;

da0 512 3000592982016   5860533168  0   0   364801  255 
63

I understand that Seagate ships these drives to be compatible with 512byte 
sectors so that older Windows OSs work on the.

But I'm unsure how to get this drive to report as having 4K sectors.


It does not need to report that, as long as the partitions are aligned 
to 4K blocks.  Seagate has some auto-alignment tech that seems 
reasonably effective.  I'd still make sure the partitions are aligned.



I'm really asking from a ZFS perspective as my vdevs show with an ashift of 9 
via the zdb command.

I'd rather forgo the gnop hack as I prefer a cleaner approach.


Using gnop is the way to force ZFS to use 4K blocks at present.  And 
this does not guarantee alignment with 4K disk blocks, which must be 
accomplished with partition alignment.

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Re: copying milllions of small files and millions of dirs

[aurfalien]

On Aug 15, 2013, at 11:46 PM, Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:13:25AM -0700, aurfalien wrote:
>> Is there a faster way to copy files over NFS?
> 
> I would use find+cpio. This handles hard links, permissions, and in case 
> of later runs, will not copy files if they already exist on the 
> destination.
> 
> # cd /source/dir
> # find . | cpio -pvdm /destination/dir


Old thread I know but cpio has proven twice as fast as rsync.

Trusty ol cpio.

Gonna try cpdup next.

- aurf
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Re: Geli and ZFS

[Terje Elde]

On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:43 AM, yudi v  wrote:

> Generally, it's recommended to let ZFS manage the whole disk if possible,
> so I was wondering if the second option is better.
> I will be using couple of 3TB HDDs mirrored for data and want to encrypt
> them.

IIRC, there is/was a major performance-difference on Solaris between using ZFS 
on a partition, or a whole disk.  FreeBSD is happy with either.

The two alternatives you mentioned were:

ZFS over GELI over disk
and
ZFS over GELI over ZFS over disk

While ZFS wouldn't get the raw disk in setup #1, the left-most ZFS wouldn't get 
it in the second scenario either.

> I am hoping someone with an in-depth understanding of ZFS will be able to
> offer some insight.


What I usually do and recommend is using GPT with labels for the partitions 
you'll put GELI/ZFS on.

There's a couple of different reasons for this:

 * It'll let you create your zpool on /dev/gpt/label, which will make it easy 
to find even when the device moves (harddisk-renumbering, changes from internal 
ATA to USB enclosure… )

 * You don't run things through ZFS twice.

 * The disk is fully encrypted.

 * etc

Terje



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Re: freebsd-update upgrade -r 7.4-RELEASE-p12

[Mark Felder]

On Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 8:36, Eduardo Morras wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:32:39 -0600 (MDT)
> Mike Brown  wrote:
> 
> > alexus wrote:
> > > ok, I just did fetch & install and got bumped from p5 to p9
> > > 
> > > # uname -a
> > > FreeBSD XX.X.org 7.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE-p9 #0: Mon Jun 11
> > > 19:47:58 UTC 2012
> > > r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> > >  amd64
> > > #
> > > 
> > > can I take it all the way to -p12?
> > 
> > -p10 through -p12 probably didn't involve any kernel changes. Bumping the 
> > reported patchlevel isn't considered important enough to warrant building a 
> > new kernel.
> 
> That there's no kernel changes doesn't mean that uname -a info is not
> updated. 

You are incorrect. The output of uname -a is taken from the kernel and
cannot be updated without installing a new kernel.

The good news is that FreeBSD 10 will ship with a new utility called
freebsd-version which will provide a better way of identifying if your
system is up to date.

>From the commit message:

Introduce the /libexec/freebsd-version script, which is intended to be
used by auditing tools to determine the userland patch level when it
differs from what `uname -r` reports.  This can happen when the system
is kept up-to-date using freebsd-update and the last SA did not touch
the kernel, or when a new kernel has been installed but the system has
not yet rebooted.

http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/bin/freebsd-version/


By the way, it will be /bin/freebsd-version as it has been relocated
since the import into head.
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