Re: Absolute FreeBSD
On Thursday 13 December 2007 11:36:35 pm Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > If you bought and grokked the first book and have been using > FreeBSD ever since, do you really need a book of any kind at > this point? Don't you have enough experience under your > belt to get by without a book? > > The operating system books - be it FreeBSD, Linux or Windows, > serve an important function of helping people go from zero to > 60 in getting up and going with their operating system of > choice. But eventually you are going to outgrow them. There > are always lots more people at 0 so the authors of these > books will never starve, but you need to eventually strike > out on your own. Well, to an extent, yes. My copy of The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide came with discs for FreeBSD 4.2. I read it cover to cover at the time and found it very helpful. But now, even when it is largely obsolete, I still find myself referencing it from time to time. Though I'll admit, it resides on a shelf in the smallest room in the house, where it primarily serves as impromptu light reading material. ;) David -- This message has been foretold by Nostradamus. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: re Absolute FreeBSD
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jekillen > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:33 PM > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: re Absolute FreeBSD > > > Hi: > I have the book and am reading it. It suits me, in that docs and > man pages can be intimidating and hard to translate into some > thing useful (for me). The one thing about books like this is > that there are a lot more in the way of theory and tutorial > practice. I could not expect anyone to give me specific > instruction on the situations I encounter and have to engineer > my way through, but analogous tutorial, or at least vaguely > comparable descriptions can prime the inductive and deductive > logic process. I work alone, as a hobbyist and spend a god awful > lot on fat paperbacks. The investment is worth it to me. And > the Lucas books hit the spot. I am reading about NanoBSD. > That is the first time I heard of it. I started with FreeBSD 6.0 > and the books up to that point, including the first Absolute > BSD only covered 5x, so I am anxious to get up to current > status. True, as some of the responses to this subject have > said, at some point you would or should grow beyond needing > to have books at hand. But with webmastering, hostmastering, > learning shells, postmastering, general system admin, programming, > there is A LOT of ground to cover. To cover it all fast enough and > be good enough not to need a book occasionally, I think is a little in > the realm of delusion. Your always going to need a book - the difference is that as you get more and more experienced, the books you need end up being the man pages, info documents, other documentation the developer sees fit to write, postings on mailing lists and newsgroups, articles, and of course, the source itself. Ted No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 12/14/2007 11:29 AM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
On 2007-12-14 15:22, Barnaby Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have just finished it and I would say it does exactly what what Ted > and cpghost suggests it should - there are plenty of sections where > the author introduces what can be done with a particular tool or part > of the OS, and suggests to the reader to investigate further options > in the approriate manuals. It also quite openly acknowledges that > there is plenty that is not covered at all. > > As someone with very limited experience (I'm not sure if I still > classify as a *complete* newbie) I found the book an excellent and > even entertaining read, which serves it purpose extremely well: to > give an overview and introduction, but with enough detail in relevant > places to be able to get real, useful stuff done. Michael has a writing style which I like a lot, but I haven't had a chance to read the second version yet. I've read the first version cover to back, however, and it was written in a very entertaining, elegant style. Judging from my experience with the first edition, I expect nothing less than what you just described :) - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
re Absolute FreeBSD
Hi: I have the book and am reading it. It suits me, in that docs and man pages can be intimidating and hard to translate into some thing useful (for me). The one thing about books like this is that there are a lot more in the way of theory and tutorial practice. I could not expect anyone to give me specific instruction on the situations I encounter and have to engineer my way through, but analogous tutorial, or at least vaguely comparable descriptions can prime the inductive and deductive logic process. I work alone, as a hobbyist and spend a god awful lot on fat paperbacks. The investment is worth it to me. And the Lucas books hit the spot. I am reading about NanoBSD. That is the first time I heard of it. I started with FreeBSD 6.0 and the books up to that point, including the first Absolute BSD only covered 5x, so I am anxious to get up to current status. True, as some of the responses to this subject have said, at some point you would or should grow beyond needing to have books at hand. But with webmastering, hostmastering, learning shells, postmastering, general system admin, programming, there is A LOT of ground to cover. To cover it all fast enough and be good enough not to need a book occasionally, I think is a little in the realm of delusion. My two cents Jeff K ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Barnaby Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:22 AM To: cpghost Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Absolute FreeBSD It is aimed pretty squarely at budding sysadmins, not desktop users (X is hardly even mentioned), We have many FreeBSD servers at my job that do many different things for people. Only 1 of them requires X in any form at all - and all it uses are the X libraries to do some graphics processing. It does not run a window manager. You can get a huge amount of useful work done on FreeBD without having anything to do with X. Ted It wasn't a criticism - I just wanted to point out the sort of audience the book speaks to: people who run servers - who, as you say, have little or no need for X. I wanted to learn exactly the sort of stuff the book focused on, and loved it. Barnaby ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Absolute FreeBSD
> -Original Message- > From: Barnaby Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:22 AM > To: cpghost > Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: Absolute FreeBSD > > > It is aimed pretty squarely at budding sysadmins, not desktop users (X > is hardly even mentioned), We have many FreeBSD servers at my job that do many different things for people. Only 1 of them requires X in any form at all - and all it uses are the X libraries to do some graphics processing. It does not run a window manager. You can get a huge amount of useful work done on FreeBD without having anything to do with X. Ted No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 12/14/2007 11:29 AM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:26:19 -0700 Chad Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 07:01:20AM -0500, Sam I Am wrote: > > > > The book announcement says that the book is completely revised. > > > > (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9781593271510/#top) > > > > I am interested if this book covers mostly FreeBSD 6 or 7. I also > > would like to see the table of contents online. > > Maybe, I will just have to go to Borders or some place like that. > > Assuming we're still talking about Absolute FreeBSD . . . > > A review I found on Amazon indicates that it covers version 6, as > well as some information about the upcoming version 7 (since 7 isn't > in stable release yet). > I'm nearly done with this book - to me, I like reading many sources. As we all have found out, there are many ways to do one thing. This is what I feel is a benefit to having/reading variations to a similar topic. Additionally, I always find new things out that I didn't know before I started reading something on the same subject-matter. Of course even when the subject-matter covers the things I knew already, it's still a nice feeling of confirmation. Just my inflation-version of two cents. -- Best regards, Chris Do not open shrink-wrap until you have read and agreed to the conditions contained within. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 07:01:20AM -0500, Sam I Am wrote: > > The book announcement says that the book is completely revised. > > (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9781593271510/#top) > > I am interested if this book covers mostly FreeBSD 6 or 7. I also would > like to see the table of contents online. > Maybe, I will just have to go to Borders or some place like that. Assuming we're still talking about Absolute FreeBSD . . . A review I found on Amazon indicates that it covers version 6, as well as some information about the upcoming version 7 (since 7 isn't in stable release yet). -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] John Kenneth Galbraith: "If all else fails, immortality can always be assured through spectacular error." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 01:46:17AM -0600, Joshua Isom wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > >For the record . . . title changes for new editions like that annoy me. > >It can make it pretty difficult at times trying to determine whether or > >not I'm about to buy a duplicate. The switch from Learning Perl > >Objects, > >References, and Modules to Intermediate Perl was another example of > >that > >sort of annoyance. > > > > Perhaps you should look in /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/pod, which from > my experience, has been better than any book I've ever seen for perl. > Try running `perldoc perlintro` and `perldoc perllol`. With exceptions > such as "old standard" languages, most free documentation that comes > with the interpreter/compiler tends to be better than any book. A > print out of perl's documentation would be far more valuable than > almost any perl book on the market. I use the hell out of perldoc. There was a time when I wanted to read the latest edition of PORM, aka Intermediate Perl, though, in part because of the presentation of information (and not just the information itself). I also find it a lot easier to read huge chunks of technical text in dead tree format than on-screen, and easier to read bound books than printed pages (to say nothing of the cost of replacing toner and drum in my laser printer if I use it all up printing out perldoc pages). > > Although I haven't looked much into any FreeBSD book, I wouldn't be > surprised at all if FreeBSD's documentation combined with > freebsd-questions would outweigh it. Yes and no. For some purposes, it's easier to find what I need with something like The Complete FreeBSD than freebsd-questions. For others, freebsd-questions makes it easier. I'm not a "One True Answer" kind of guy when it comes to different means of researching -- I prefer to use the method best suited to what I need at a given moment. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Baltasar Gracian: "A wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from his friends." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
cpghost wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:48:19 -0800 "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joshua Isom Although I haven't looked much into any FreeBSD book, I wouldn't be surprised at all if FreeBSD's documentation combined with freebsd-questions would outweigh it. It's not the raw knowledge that is the power. It's the presentation. Newbies cannot digest the FreeBSD docs since the docs assume the user isn't a newbie. Right! One can't emphasize this enough. IMHO, computer books should be time savers, i.e. a guide highlighting the most important aspects of some topic in a unique way. Authors of such books shouldn't be afraid to tell readers to go RTFM after presenting an overview... unless it's a very narrowly focused book. A good tutorial beats a 350 pages book anytime; and a 350 pages book with the right mix of selected topics beats an 800+ pages "reference-style" all-rounder book as well, most of the time. -cpghost. I wasn't going to reply to this thread because I cannot answer the specific question - i.e. is this book worth it for someone who has read the first one - because I haven't read the first one. However, since no-one who has read the new one seems to have given an opinion of the book, I can at least do that. I have just finished it and I would say it does exactly what what Ted and cpghost suggests it should - there are plenty of sections where the author introduces what can be done with a particular tool or part of the OS, and suggests to the reader to investigate further options in the approriate manuals. It also quite openly acknowledges that there is plenty that is not covered at all. As someone with very limited experience (I'm not sure if I still classify as a *complete* newbie) I found the book an excellent and even entertaining read, which serves it purpose extremely well: to give an overview and introduction, but with enough detail in relevant places to be able to get real, useful stuff done. The detail is important because it provides enough 'immersion' in actual configurations, commands, protocols etc to begin to see patterns emerging, and to start to develop an instinct for how something you haven't seen yet is likely to hang together. However the overview aspect is also vital - I have always found it much easier to unearth detailed how-tos than to know which direction to go in in the first place! I would say he had the balance just about right. It is aimed pretty squarely at budding sysadmins, not desktop users (X is hardly even mentioned), but managed to be far from stodgy. As for the version covered, there are a few bits that explicitly mention version 7, but everything else seemed totally relevant to me on 6.2. Barnaby Scott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Absolute FreeBSD
The authors never fail to mention that their book is useful to new and experienced users alike. :) It does have some new topics in there. http://www.tinker.tv/download/afreebsd2_toc.pdf But I think I will hold off the purchase, at least for some time. Thanks for your reply. Michael --- Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Michael S > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:40 PM > > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > Subject: Absolute FreeBSD > > > > > > Good evening all, > > > > I was wondering if anyone bought M. Lucas' new > FreeBSD > > book. How would you rate it? > > I already have the first edition, is it worth the > > money buying the second one? > > If you bought and grokked the first book and have > been using > FreeBSD ever since, do you really need a book of any > kind at > this point? Don't you have enough experience under > your > belt to get by without a book? > > The operating system books - be it FreeBSD, Linux or > Windows, > serve an important function of helping people go > from zero to > 60 in getting up and going with their operating > system of > choice. But eventually you are going to outgrow > them. There > are always lots more people at 0 so the authors of > these > books will never starve, but you need to eventually > strike > out on your own. > > Ted Mittelstaedt > Author: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > published 2000, Addison-Wesley > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - > Release Date: 12/13/2007 > 9:15 AM > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > Michael Sherman http://msherman77.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
Here's the toc: http://www.tinker.tv/download/afreebsd2_toc.pdf --- Sam I Am <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > cpghost wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:48:19 -0800 > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Joshua Isom > >>> Although I haven't looked much into any FreeBSD > book, I wouldn't be > >>> surprised at all if FreeBSD's documentation > combined with > >>> freebsd-questions would outweigh it. > >>> > >> It's not the raw knowledge that is the power. > It's the presentation. > >> Newbies cannot digest the FreeBSD docs since the > docs assume the > >> user isn't a newbie. > >> > > > > Right! One can't emphasize this enough. > > > > IMHO, computer books should be time savers, i.e. a > guide highlighting > > the most important aspects of some topic in a > unique way. Authors of > > such books shouldn't be afraid to tell readers to > go RTFM after > > presenting an overview... unless it's a very > narrowly focused book. > > > > A good tutorial beats a 350 pages book anytime; > and a 350 pages > > book with the right mix of selected topics beats > an 800+ pages > > "reference-style" all-rounder book as well, most > of the time. > > > > -cpghost. > > > > The book announcement says that the book is > completely revised. > > (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9781593271510/#top) > > I am interested if this book covers mostly FreeBSD 6 > or 7. I also would > like to see the table of contents online. > Maybe, I will just have to go to Borders or some > place like that. > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > Michael Sherman http://msherman77.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
cpghost wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:48:19 -0800 "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joshua Isom Although I haven't looked much into any FreeBSD book, I wouldn't be surprised at all if FreeBSD's documentation combined with freebsd-questions would outweigh it. It's not the raw knowledge that is the power. It's the presentation. Newbies cannot digest the FreeBSD docs since the docs assume the user isn't a newbie. Right! One can't emphasize this enough. IMHO, computer books should be time savers, i.e. a guide highlighting the most important aspects of some topic in a unique way. Authors of such books shouldn't be afraid to tell readers to go RTFM after presenting an overview... unless it's a very narrowly focused book. A good tutorial beats a 350 pages book anytime; and a 350 pages book with the right mix of selected topics beats an 800+ pages "reference-style" all-rounder book as well, most of the time. -cpghost. The book announcement says that the book is completely revised. (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9781593271510/#top) I am interested if this book covers mostly FreeBSD 6 or 7. I also would like to see the table of contents online. Maybe, I will just have to go to Borders or some place like that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
isn't /usr/share/doc good? On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Michael S wrote: Good evening all, I was wondering if anyone bought M. Lucas' new FreeBSD book. How would you rate it? I already have the first edition, is it worth the money buying the second one? Thanks in advance, Michael Michael Sherman http://msherman77.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:48:19 -0800 "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joshua Isom > > Although I haven't looked much into any FreeBSD book, I wouldn't be > > surprised at all if FreeBSD's documentation combined with > > freebsd-questions would outweigh it. > > It's not the raw knowledge that is the power. It's the presentation. > Newbies cannot digest the FreeBSD docs since the docs assume the > user isn't a newbie. Right! One can't emphasize this enough. IMHO, computer books should be time savers, i.e. a guide highlighting the most important aspects of some topic in a unique way. Authors of such books shouldn't be afraid to tell readers to go RTFM after presenting an overview... unless it's a very narrowly focused book. A good tutorial beats a 350 pages book anytime; and a 350 pages book with the right mix of selected topics beats an 800+ pages "reference-style" all-rounder book as well, most of the time. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Absolute FreeBSD
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joshua Isom > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:46 PM > To: Chad Perrin > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: Absolute FreeBSD > > > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > For the record . . . title changes for new editions like that annoy me. > > It can make it pretty difficult at times trying to determine whether or > > not I'm about to buy a duplicate. The switch from Learning Perl > > Objects, > > References, and Modules to Intermediate Perl was another example of > > that > > sort of annoyance. > > > > Perhaps you should look in /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/pod, which from > my experience, has been better than any book I've ever seen for perl. > Try running `perldoc perlintro` and `perldoc perllol`. With exceptions > such as "old standard" languages, most free documentation that comes > with the interpreter/compiler tends to be better than any book. A > print out of perl's documentation would be far more valuable than > almost any perl book on the market. > > Although I haven't looked much into any FreeBSD book, I wouldn't be > surprised at all if FreeBSD's documentation combined with > freebsd-questions would outweigh it. > It's not the raw knowledge that is the power. It's the presentation. Newbies cannot digest the FreeBSD docs since the docs assume the user isn't a newbie. Ted No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
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Re: Absolute FreeBSD
On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: For the record . . . title changes for new editions like that annoy me. It can make it pretty difficult at times trying to determine whether or not I'm about to buy a duplicate. The switch from Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules to Intermediate Perl was another example of that sort of annoyance. Perhaps you should look in /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/pod, which from my experience, has been better than any book I've ever seen for perl. Try running `perldoc perlintro` and `perldoc perllol`. With exceptions such as "old standard" languages, most free documentation that comes with the interpreter/compiler tends to be better than any book. A print out of perl's documentation would be far more valuable than almost any perl book on the market. Although I haven't looked much into any FreeBSD book, I wouldn't be surprised at all if FreeBSD's documentation combined with freebsd-questions would outweigh it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Absolute FreeBSD
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:40:23PM -0500, Michael S wrote: > Good evening all, > > I was wondering if anyone bought M. Lucas' new FreeBSD > book. How would you rate it? > I already have the first edition, is it worth the > money buying the second one? Is the first edition Lucas' "Absolute BSD", or was it also titled "Absolute FreeBSD"? From what I've seen on Amazon, it looks like Absolute FreeBSD is a follow-up to Absolute BSD. For the record . . . title changes for new editions like that annoy me. It can make it pretty difficult at times trying to determine whether or not I'm about to buy a duplicate. The switch from Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules to Intermediate Perl was another example of that sort of annoyance. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Sen. Dick Durbin, D-IL, to an RIAA executive: "Are you headed to junior high schools to round up the usual suspects?" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Absolute FreeBSD
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael S > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:40 PM > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Absolute FreeBSD > > > Good evening all, > > I was wondering if anyone bought M. Lucas' new FreeBSD > book. How would you rate it? > I already have the first edition, is it worth the > money buying the second one? If you bought and grokked the first book and have been using FreeBSD ever since, do you really need a book of any kind at this point? Don't you have enough experience under your belt to get by without a book? The operating system books - be it FreeBSD, Linux or Windows, serve an important function of helping people go from zero to 60 in getting up and going with their operating system of choice. But eventually you are going to outgrow them. There are always lots more people at 0 so the authors of these books will never starve, but you need to eventually strike out on your own. Ted Mittelstaedt Author: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide published 2000, Addison-Wesley No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
