Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-10 Thread Karl Vogel
This is a bit off-topic, but the same basic method works pretty well
under BSD, and it's useful when you don't have exactly the port you need
or the exact version of a library that a port expects.

>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:06:04 -0500, 
>> "Gary Gatten"  said:

G> Yep, one reason I thought OT would be best is I'm trying to move this
G> app to a Solaris 10 x86 system (don't ask).

   Here's what I did under Solaris-10.  First, build the stuff that GNU
   autotools needs, like GNU m4:

  me% wget http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/m4/m4-1.4.13.tar.gz
  me% gtar xzf m4-1.4.13.tar.gz
  me% cd m4-1.4.13
  me% CC=gcc CFLAGS=-O2 ./configure --mandir=/usr/local/man \
  --program-prefix=g
  me% make
  me% make check
  root# make install
  me% make distclean

  me% gm4 --version
  m4 (GNU M4) 1.4.13
  Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

   The program-prefix part installs it as "gm4", just in case your vendor
   version of m4 is unique in some way.

  me% wget http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/autoconf/autoconf-2.63.tar.gz
  me% gtar xzf autoconf-2.63.tar.gz
  me% cd autoconf-2.63
  me% CC=gcc CFLAGS=-O2 EMACS=no ./configure --mandir=/usr/local/man
  me% make
  me% make check
  root# make install
  me% make distclean

   You'll also need automake to get a recent version of "aclocal":

  me% wget http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/automake/automake-1.11.tar.gz
  me% gtar xzf automake-1.11.tar.gz
  me% cd automake-1.11
  me% CC=gcc CFLAGS=-O2 ./configure --mandir=/usr/local/man
  me% make
  me% make check
  root# make install
  me% make clean

   As far as recreating the build system for ntop, that's a snap after
   the auto-stuff is installed:

  me% wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ntop/ntop-3.3.10.tar.gz
  me% gtar xzf ntop-3.3.10.tar.gz
  me% cd ntop-3.3.10
  me% ./autogen.sh

   However, "ntop" depends on "rrdtool" being installed, and that drags in
   everything on Earth:

  me% wget http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/pub/rrdtool-1.3.8.tar.gz
  me% gtar xzf rrdtool-1.3.8.tar.gz
  me% cd rrdtool-1.3.8

  me% cat /tmp/doconfig
  #!/bin/sh
  CC=gcc
  CFLAGS=-O2
  LDFLAGS="-L/opt/sfw/lib"
  CPPFLAGS="-I/opt/sfw/include"
  LIBTOOL=/opt/sfw/bin/libtool
  export CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS LIBTOOL
  ./configure --disable-nls --disable-ruby --disable-libintl
  exit 0

  me% sh /tmp/doconfig
  checking build system type... i386-pc-solaris2.10
  ...
  I could not find a working copy of cairo-png
  I could not find a working copy of cairo-svg
  I could not find a working copy of cairo-pdf
  I could not find a working copy of cairo-ps
  I could not find a working copy of pangocairo
  configure: error: Please fix the library issues listed and try again.

   At this point, I was in dependency hell.  I tried messing with the load
   and include compiler flags to get to the versions under /opt/sfw, but
   I had no luck.  There's probably some really easy way to build this,
   or I could just build the required libraries, but I didn't have time
   to mess with it.

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RE: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-10 Thread Wojciech Puchar

PS: I DID actually find something similar to "ports" for Solaris:
opencsw.org / blastwave.org.  I guess there's some feuding between some


NetBSD pkgsrc system works under solaris
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RE: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Gary Gatten
Several people have contacted me privately so I'll be in touch with them
as needed.  I've literally worked on this ALL day (and yesterday) and
hacked my way past a number of errors, but STILL don't have a working
app.  Although I have learned a few useful things, I'm about ready to
smash something/someone,  so I guess it's time to find a real *nix admin
that could prolly fix this in 10 minutes instead of 10 days.  If I knew
the various scripting / programming stuff better I'm sure I could fix it
quickly as well, but that's not my specialty.  Guess it's time to learn
more - but not now!

Thanks to those that offered help, and sorry to start yet another flame
war.

G

PS: I DID actually find something similar to "ports" for Solaris:
opencsw.org / blastwave.org.  I guess there's some feuding between some
of the original dudes, but nonetheless it's nice to have something
*close* to ports to work with! Especially when every d...@mn developer
builds dependencies to another dozen apps for every simple function!
I'm ALL about reusing code, but for GAWDS sake, does one REALLY need to
link 1,297 (exaggerating)  libraries to get the time/date or do simple
arithmetic?  If it's "substantial" link it, but if it's 10 lines of
code, PLEASE just embed it!  OK, ranting over - Later!




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Subject: Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

>> 
>> The most off-topic stuff on this list lately has been your
complaining
>> about stuff being off-topic. 
>
> ...and people complaining about Woj's complaints.
>
> ...and my own complaining about the people complaining about Woj's
> complaints.  :)

and the circle goes on. Who is right - doesn't matter isn't it ? :)
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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar


what exactly do you want to figure?


With all due respect Mr. Puchar I guess you haven't read
the OP's problem which he posted in the first message.
i read, but THEN it got completely off topic and THEN i started to 
complain.


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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar


The most off-topic stuff on this list lately has been your complaining
about stuff being off-topic. 


...and people complaining about Woj's complaints.

...and my own complaining about the people complaining about Woj's
complaints.  :)


and the circle goes on. Who is right - doesn't matter isn't it ? :)
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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Charlie Kester

On Tue 09 Jun 2009 at 10:35:28 PDT Jerry McAllister wrote:


The most off-topic stuff on this list lately has been your complaining
about stuff being off-topic.  


...and people complaining about Woj's complaints.

...and my own complaining about the people complaining about Woj's
complaints.  :)
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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Charlie Kester

On Tue 09 Jun 2009 at 10:09:17 PDT Gary Gatten wrote:

With all the recent "what's appropriate for this list and wha's not"
issues, I didn't know if this was the appropriate forum or not since
it's not really a FBSD issue.  


The attempt to restrict this mailing list to "appropriate" questions
seems to have been abandoned.  The current trend is to indulge
discussions on any and all topics.

Yours at least has the virtue of being a request for technical
assistance.  :)

I'm not an expert in the GNU autotools either, so I'll be interested to
see what answers you get.
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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Valentin Bud
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Wojciech Puchar <
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:

>  I this thread dies right now, I PROMISE I'll just figure it out
>> myself...
>>
>
> what exactly do you want to figure?
>
With all due respect Mr. Puchar I guess you haven't read
the OP's problem which he posted in the first message.

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RE: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I this thread dies right now, I PROMISE I'll just figure it out
myself...


what exactly do you want to figure?



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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:49 PM
To: Jerry McAllister
Cc: Giorgos Keramidas; Gary Gatten; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
Valentin Bud
Subject: Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.


only want to "help people"


The most off-topic stuff on this list lately has been your
complaining about stuff being off-topic.


Not most, but certainly off topic.

But well - with no moderation or other execution of on-topic rule, what
you expect?



On the other hand, using make to grow something running under FreeBSD
is about as on-topic as one can get.


i already answered in first place. then it got off-topic, including
using
configure with solaris x86.









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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:47:49 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
 wrote:
>>> just few months and this will be general unix support list for
>>> everybody. how about name change?
>>
>> Stop the whining already, will you?  If you have no useful content to
>> contribute to a thread, please consider ignoring it.
>
> could you precisely define "useful content". I just point out that this
> list is going completely off topic with GNU configure support.

See Roland Smith's post for a useful reply.

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RE: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Gary Gatten
I this thread dies right now, I PROMISE I'll just figure it out
myself...

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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:49 PM
To: Jerry McAllister
Cc: Giorgos Keramidas; Gary Gatten; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
Valentin Bud
Subject: Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

>> only want to "help people"
>
> The most off-topic stuff on this list lately has been your
> complaining about stuff being off-topic.

Not most, but certainly off topic.

But well - with no moderation or other execution of on-topic rule, what 
you expect?

>
> On the other hand, using make to grow something running under FreeBSD
> is about as on-topic as one can get.

i already answered in first place. then it got off-topic, including
using 
configure with solaris x86.









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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar

only want to "help people"


The most off-topic stuff on this list lately has been your
complaining about stuff being off-topic.


Not most, but certainly off topic.

But well - with no moderation or other execution of on-topic rule, what 
you expect?




On the other hand, using make to grow something running under FreeBSD
is about as on-topic as one can get.


i already answered in first place. then it got off-topic, including using 
configure with solaris x86.


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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar

just few months and this will be general unix support list for
everybody. how about name change?


Stop the whining already, will you?  If you have no useful content to
contribute to a thread, please consider ignoring it.


could you precisely define "useful content". I just point out that this 
list is going completely off topic with GNU configure support.


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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:12:57 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
 wrote:
>> so this could be a reference to all of them.
>>
>> I know (and agree) that everybody should RTFM but there are times
>> when the fine manual is just not enough and real world examples
>> provide a thorough understanding.
>
> just few months and this will be general unix support list for
> everybody. how about name change?

Stop the whining already, will you?  If you have no useful content to
contribute to a thread, please consider ignoring it.

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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 07:25:10PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >
> >just few months and this will be general unix support list for everybody. 
> >how about name
> >change?
> >
> >
> >and here we go again ...
> yes. Into general mess of everything off topic being ok because you/others 
> only want to "help people"

The most off-topic stuff on this list lately has been your
complaining about stuff being off-topic.  

On the other hand, using make to grow something running under FreeBSD 
is about as on-topic as one can get.

jerry


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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 07:12:57PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >so this could be a reference to all of them.
> >
> >I know (and agree) that everybody should RTFM but there are times
> >when the fine manual is just not enough and real world examples
> >provide a thorough understanding.
> >
> just few months and this will be general unix support list for everybody. 
> how about name change?

WP.   Don't start whining again.
This list is about helping people, not making you comfortable.

jerry


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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar


just few months and this will be general unix support list for everybody. how 
about name
change?


and here we go again ...
yes. Into general mess of everything off topic being ok because you/others 
only want to "help people"


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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Valentin Bud
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar <
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:

>  so this could be a reference to all of them.
>>
>> I know (and agree) that everybody should RTFM but there are times
>> when the fine manual is just not enough and real world examples
>> provide a thorough understanding.
>>
>>  just few months and this will be general unix support list for everybody.
> how about name change?
>

and here we go again ...
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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar

so this could be a reference to all of them.

I know (and agree) that everybody should RTFM but there are times
when the fine manual is just not enough and real world examples
provide a thorough understanding.

just few months and this will be general unix support list for everybody. 
how about name change?

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RE: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Gary Gatten
With all the recent "what's appropriate for this list and wha's not"
issues, I didn't know if this was the appropriate forum or not since
it's not really a FBSD issue.  ESPECIALLY since I'm trying to get it to
configure/make on Solaris 10 x86.  See my recent post, but I though I
could get some help with the configure script regardless what OS - it's
"basic" shell/c programming stuff - but apparently over my head.  I'm
sure I could figure it out in another 60 hours, but don't really want to
spend that much time!

 



From: Valentin Bud [mailto:valentin@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:59 AM
To: Giorgos Keramidas
Cc: Gary Gatten; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

 

 

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Giorgos Keramidas
 wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:38:23 -0500, "Gary Gatten" 
wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm basically a novice at the whole configure/make process.  I've
> hacked my way through some errors in the past, but I can't get past
> this one.  It used the GNU auto tools and the configure script has a
> bunch of shell, c, sed, awk, etc. stuff that's k1lling me!
>
> Anyway, I can't get past this error and the app developers/users
> aren't offering "timely" help, so if anyone here is interested in
> debugging a configure script and helping me get this (nTop 3.3.10)
> compiled would be GREATLY appreciated!  I'll contact you offlist off
> course!

Why not `on list'?

This way we won't have to duplicate the efforts of all the previous
subscribers every time you describe what the problem is.


 I agree. This might benefit to others. I guess there are lot
of people out there that don't really understand make and config
so this could be a reference to all of them.

 I know (and agree) that everybody should RTFM but there are times
when the fine manual is just not enough and real world examples
provide a thorough understanding.

my 7c,
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RE: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Gary Gatten
Yep, one reason I thought OT would be best is I'm trying to move this
app to a Solaris 10 x86 system (don't ask).  Got all the GNU tools from
csw.org.

Anyway, the autoconf/make/configure scripts are "basic" code so figured
anyone that's done this stuff could help.  I don't feel like joining
YAUG for Solaris, but I will if I can't figure it out or find any help
here.

Good call on stealing some stuff from the ports though!  The same
concepts to port to FBSD will prolly apply to Solaris - just different
paths, etc. - I HOPE!

G

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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:59 AM
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On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:38:23AM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyway, I can't get past this error and the app developers/users
aren't
> offering "timely" help, so if anyone here is interested in debugging a
> configure script and helping me get this (nTop 3.3.10) compiled would
be
> GREATLY appreciated!  I'll contact you offlist off course!
> 

Do you know that ntop 3.3.8 is available in ports as
/usr/ports/net/ntop?
Maybe you can use that? If you really need 3.3.10, try making a copy of
the  net/ntop directory, change the Makefile and distfile to refer to
3.3.10 and see if it compiles.

Note that the /usr/ports/net/ntop/files directory contains some patches
that are applied to the extracted source code to make it work. Maybe you
can borrow/adapt those if you really want to compile 3.3.10 yourself.

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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Valentin Bud
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Giorgos Keramidas
wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:38:23 -0500, "Gary Gatten" 
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I'm basically a novice at the whole configure/make process.  I've
> > hacked my way through some errors in the past, but I can't get past
> > this one.  It used the GNU auto tools and the configure script has a
> > bunch of shell, c, sed, awk, etc. stuff that's k1lling me!
> >
> > Anyway, I can't get past this error and the app developers/users
> > aren't offering "timely" help, so if anyone here is interested in
> > debugging a configure script and helping me get this (nTop 3.3.10)
> > compiled would be GREATLY appreciated!  I'll contact you offlist off
> > course!
>
> Why not `on list'?
>
> This way we won't have to duplicate the efforts of all the previous
> subscribers every time you describe what the problem is.


 I agree. This might benefit to others. I guess there are lot
of people out there that don't really understand make and config
so this could be a reference to all of them.

 I know (and agree) that everybody should RTFM but there are times
when the fine manual is just not enough and real world examples
provide a thorough understanding.

my 7c,
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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:38:23AM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyway, I can't get past this error and the app developers/users aren't
> offering "timely" help, so if anyone here is interested in debugging a
> configure script and helping me get this (nTop 3.3.10) compiled would be
> GREATLY appreciated!  I'll contact you offlist off course!
> 

Do you know that ntop 3.3.8 is available in ports as /usr/ports/net/ntop?
Maybe you can use that? If you really need 3.3.10, try making a copy of
the  net/ntop directory, change the Makefile and distfile to refer to
3.3.10 and see if it compiles.

Note that the /usr/ports/net/ntop/files directory contains some patches
that are applied to the extracted source code to make it work. Maybe you
can borrow/adapt those if you really want to compile 3.3.10 yourself.

Roland
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Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.

2009-06-09 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:38:23 -0500, "Gary Gatten"  wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm basically a novice at the whole configure/make process.  I've
> hacked my way through some errors in the past, but I can't get past
> this one.  It used the GNU auto tools and the configure script has a
> bunch of shell, c, sed, awk, etc. stuff that's k1lling me!
>
> Anyway, I can't get past this error and the app developers/users
> aren't offering "timely" help, so if anyone here is interested in
> debugging a configure script and helping me get this (nTop 3.3.10)
> compiled would be GREATLY appreciated!  I'll contact you offlist off
> course!

Why not `on list'?

This way we won't have to duplicate the efforts of all the previous
subscribers every time you describe what the problem is.

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