RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
>-Original Message- >From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:04 PM >To: Nikolas Britton >Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... > > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of >Nikolas Britton >>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:25 PM >>To: Ted Mittelstaedt >>Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... >> >> >>I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs >>here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not >>jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands. >> > >I'm doing a make release on today's cvs as we speak, I'll see tomorrow >if it recognizes the disks. > Nikolas, Just an update, no the ICH7R problem has not been fixed. OpenSUSE recognizes the array, though. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
Yup! Ted >-Original Message- >From: Bill Moran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:28 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... > > >On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:32:08 -0700 >"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going >> to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you >> have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with >> a desktop PC and costs only $200 (which will happen by the middle >> of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up >> to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of >> desktops like that would be out of the question. > >I assume you meant to say "a terabyte of disk space" instead of >"gigabyte"? > >-- >Bill Moran >Collaborative Fusion Inc. > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 4/10/2006 > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikolas Britton >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:25 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... > > >On 4/11/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be >> done on the disk driver. See PR 95184. It was right to shift the >> release schedule. >> >> I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many >> people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days, >> how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb >> disks are wiping everything else off the map. >> >> In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high >> speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude >> faster than anything else. Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI >> array you want to throw at it. And larger. and a LOT cheaper. >> >> And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going >> to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you >> have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with >> a desktop PC and costs only $200 (which will happen by the middle >> of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up >> to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of >> desktops like that would be out of the question. >> > >Yes... tell me about it, I have a 2TB SATA-II array and it's cheaper >to backup that array to another, off-site, array then it is to go with >tape. Tape is way behind the times when compared with SATA/IDE disk >sizes. > >> And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has >> come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share. >> Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to >> the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in >> the Linux distros. Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney >> motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA >> chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going >> to provide drivers for anything other than Windows. >> >> FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already >> better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before >> 6.1 ships. >> > >The person you should thank is Søren Schmidt, http://www.deepcore.dk/ > >> You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as >> buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. - >> but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on >> the hardware that you can even patch. You are dead in the water >> and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the >> FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else. >> > >I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs >here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not >jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands. > I'm doing a make release on today's cvs as we speak, I'll see tomorrow if it recognizes the disks. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:32:08 -0700 "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going > to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you > have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with > a desktop PC and costs only $200 (which will happen by the middle > of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up > to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of > desktops like that would be out of the question. I assume you meant to say "a terabyte of disk space" instead of "gigabyte"? -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
On 4/11/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be > done on the disk driver. See PR 95184. It was right to shift the > release schedule. > > I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many > people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days, > how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb > disks are wiping everything else off the map. > > In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high > speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude > faster than anything else. Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI > array you want to throw at it. And larger. and a LOT cheaper. > > And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going > to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you > have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with > a desktop PC and costs only $200 (which will happen by the middle > of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up > to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of > desktops like that would be out of the question. > Yes... tell me about it, I have a 2TB SATA-II array and it's cheaper to backup that array to another, off-site, array then it is to go with tape. Tape is way behind the times when compared with SATA/IDE disk sizes. > And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has > come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share. > Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to > the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in > the Linux distros. Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney > motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA > chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going > to provide drivers for anything other than Windows. > > FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already > better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before > 6.1 ships. > The person you should thank is Søren Schmidt, http://www.deepcore.dk/ > You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as > buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. - > but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on > the hardware that you can even patch. You are dead in the water > and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the > FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else. > I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands. -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be done on the disk driver. See PR 95184. It was right to shift the release schedule. I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days, how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb disks are wiping everything else off the map. In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude faster than anything else. Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI array you want to throw at it. And larger. and a LOT cheaper. And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with a desktop PC and costs only $200 (which will happen by the middle of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of desktops like that would be out of the question. And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share. Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in the Linux distros. Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going to provide drivers for anything other than Windows. FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before 6.1 ships. You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. - but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on the hardware that you can even patch. You are dead in the water and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else. Ted >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikolas Britton >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:06 AM >To: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... > > >On 3/30/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I realise the answer to this question is "when it's ready", >but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is? >> > >The 6.1 branch was cut on the 5th, this means you can cvsup to >RELENG_6_1 branch and rebuild world to 6.1-RC. As for the release date >of the official 6.1-RC1 builds... It should have happened yesterday, >so expect it any time this week. 6.1-RELEASE should be released at the >end of this month or the beginning of next month If you look at >the schedule everything has been shifted out 1 month. > >If you want my opinion on 6.1, it's ready right now, I've been running >a production server on 6.1 since BETA2, my main workstation at work >since BETA4 and my main workstation at home has been running 6.1 since >before BETA1 (tracking 6-STABLE). I've had no problems and feel that >It's far superior to FreeBSD 5.x, It's also alot faster then 5.x. The >more tester we have for the 6.1 release candidate runs the better >6.1-RELEASE will be! >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing /index.html -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 4/10/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
Thanks for the reply Nikolas - that's helpful. I ended up upgrading my laptop to 6.1-PRERELEASE (from 6.0-RELEASE) anyway, and haven't had any problems since. After your feedback I'll probably do the desktop shortly. The only thing that's holding me back from moving my home server from 5.3-RELEASE is that I've successfully got ndis working on it using the 'old' ndiscvt method and I'm a little reluctant to risk not being able to replicate my success with ndisgen under 6.x Thanks again, Peter Harrison >-Original Message- >From: Nikolas Britton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 11 April 2006 12:06 >To: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... > > >On 3/30/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I realise the answer to this question is "when it's ready", >but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is? >> > >The 6.1 branch was cut on the 5th, this means you can cvsup to >RELENG_6_1 branch and rebuild world to 6.1-RC. As for the release date >of the official 6.1-RC1 builds... It should have happened yesterday, >so expect it any time this week. 6.1-RELEASE should be released at the >end of this month or the beginning of next month If you look at >the schedule everything has been shifted out 1 month. > >If you want my opinion on 6.1, it's ready right now, I've been running >a production server on 6.1 since BETA2, my main workstation at work >since BETA4 and my main workstation at home has been running 6.1 since >before BETA1 (tracking 6-STABLE). I've had no problems and feel that >It's far superior to FreeBSD 5.x, It's also alot faster then 5.x. The >more tester we have for the 6.1 release candidate runs the better >6.1-RELEASE will be! >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributin g/index.html -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSi, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ** This document is strictly confidential and is intended only for use by the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other action taken in reliance of the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Any views expressed by the sender of this message are not necessarily those of the Department for Work and Pensions. If you have received this transmission in error, please use the reply function to tell us and then permanently delete what you have received. Please note: Incoming and outgoing e-mail messages are routinely monitored for compliance with our policy on the use of electronic communications. ** The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
On 3/30/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I realise the answer to this question is "when it's ready", but does anyone > have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is? > The 6.1 branch was cut on the 5th, this means you can cvsup to RELENG_6_1 branch and rebuild world to 6.1-RC. As for the release date of the official 6.1-RC1 builds... It should have happened yesterday, so expect it any time this week. 6.1-RELEASE should be released at the end of this month or the beginning of next month If you look at the schedule everything has been shifted out 1 month. If you want my opinion on 6.1, it's ready right now, I've been running a production server on 6.1 since BETA2, my main workstation at work since BETA4 and my main workstation at home has been running 6.1 since before BETA1 (tracking 6-STABLE). I've had no problems and feel that It's far superior to FreeBSD 5.x, It's also alot faster then 5.x. The more tester we have for the 6.1 release candidate runs the better 6.1-RELEASE will be! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
martinko wrote: > i'm afraid todo page is not updated very often. at least this was the > case when i was watching it during previous releases. so one was/is left > to search through mailing lists for occasional background info.. :-( > > btw, there used to be a great site publishing summaries of current > development -- http://www.xl0.org/FreeBSD/ -- it's been dead for more > than 1 yr though :( According to the last schedule the tree has been tagged, you can cvsup RELENG_6_1, changes may still be committed depending on the experiences of RC1 and RC2. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/schedule.html Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: www.daemonsecurity.com/ca/8D03551FFCE04F06.crt Subject ID: 9E:AA:18:E6:94:7A:91:44:0A:E4:DD:87:73:7F:4E:82:E7:08:9C:72 Fingerprint: 5B:D5:1E:3E:47:E7:EC:1C:4C:C8:3A:19:CC:AE:14:F5:DF:18:0F:B9 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 02 April 2006 20:29 >>To: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD >>Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... >> >> >>On 30/03/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>I realise the answer to this question is "when it's ready", >> >>but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is? >> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Peter Harrison >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>I think the closest way of knowing is checking the todo page and when >>they mostly say resolved it may be close to been ready. >> >>Chris > > > Thanks for this Chris - I'll keep an eye on the todo page, and I've bitten > the bullet and upgraded to 6-STABLE (6.1-PRERELEASE) in the meantime. > > > Peter > i'm afraid todo page is not updated very often. at least this was the case when i was watching it during previous releases. so one was/is left to search through mailing lists for occasional background info.. :-( btw, there used to be a great site publishing summaries of current development -- http://www.xl0.org/FreeBSD/ -- it's been dead for more than 1 yr though :( ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
>-Original Message- >From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 02 April 2006 20:29 >To: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... > > >On 30/03/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I realise the answer to this question is "when it's ready", >but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Peter Harrison >> >> >> >> >** >> This document is strictly confidential and is intended only >for use by the addressee. >> If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, >copying, distribution or other >> action taken in reliance of the information contained in >this e-mail is strictly prohibited. >> Any views expressed by the sender of this message are not >necessarily those of the Department >> for Work and Pensions. >> If you have received this transmission in error, please use >the reply function to tell us >> and then permanently delete what you have received. >> Please note: Incoming and outgoing e-mail messages are >routinely monitored for compliance >> with our policy on the use of electronic communications. >> >** >> >> >> The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the >Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service >supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with >MessageLabs. >> >> On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free >> ___ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >> > >I think the closest way of knowing is checking the todo page and when >they mostly say resolved it may be close to been ready. > >Chris Thanks for this Chris - I'll keep an eye on the todo page, and I've bitten the bullet and upgraded to 6-STABLE (6.1-PRERELEASE) in the meantime. Peter ** This document is strictly confidential and is intended only for use by the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other action taken in reliance of the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Any views expressed by the sender of this message are not necessarily those of the Department for Work and Pensions. If you have received this transmission in error, please use the reply function to tell us and then permanently delete what you have received. Please note: Incoming and outgoing e-mail messages are routinely monitored for compliance with our policy on the use of electronic communications. ** The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...
On 30/03/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I realise the answer to this question is "when it's ready", but does anyone > have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is? > > Thanks, > > Peter Harrison > > > > ** > This document is strictly confidential and is intended only for use by the > addressee. > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution > or other > action taken in reliance of the information contained in this e-mail is > strictly prohibited. > Any views expressed by the sender of this message are not necessarily those > of the Department > for Work and Pensions. > If you have received this transmission in error, please use the reply > function to tell us > and then permanently delete what you have received. > Please note: Incoming and outgoing e-mail messages are routinely monitored > for compliance > with our policy on the use of electronic communications. > ** > > > The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure > Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & > Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. > > On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > I think the closest way of knowing is checking the todo page and when they mostly say resolved it may be close to been ready. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
