Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE through 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE: 4MB, 8MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 12MB, 16MB: Dies while loading acpi.ko. 20MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 2484K Active, 1396K Iact, 6004K Wired, 680K Cache, 1984K Buf, 348K Free Swap: 7184K Total, 2732K Used, 4452K Free, 38% Inuse FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE: 4MB, 8MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 12MB, 16MB: Dies while loading acpi.ko. 20MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies after writing filesystem information. 24MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 2332K Active, 1196K Iact, 9468K Wired, 1136K Cache, 3008K Buf, 840K Free Swap: 32M Total, 2748K Used, 29M Free, 8% Inuse FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE: 4MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 8MB: Dies while mounting root filesystem. 12MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 1900K Active, 1408K Iact, 2896K Wired, 472K Cache, 1120K Buf, 308K Free Swap: 32M Total, 2576K Used, 29M Free, 7% Inuse FreeBSD 3.5.1-RELEASE: 4MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 8MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies while extracting files. 12MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 712K Active, 3780K Iact, 2092K Wired, 2024K Cache, 809K Buf, 520K Free Swap: 29M Total, 29M Free FreeBSD 2.2.9-RELEASE: 4MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies while probing devices. 8MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 3764K Active, 432K Iact, 1472K Wired, 244K Cache, 420K Buf, 184K Free Swap: 42M Total, 64K Used, 42M Free ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On 8/27/06, David Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 27, 2006, at 4:35 PM, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) wrote: > Everyone will laugh at this, but I have an old box with a 25mHz > processor or so. It has 8mB of memory. I want to install some type > of UNIX clone on it, as a proof of concept. I don't care if it's > linux, freebsd, or something else, but I need something that will > run with enough speed to run an sshd and not much else. It will > just be to prove that old hardware can still be used. Any suggestions? Haven't booted it in a long time but have FreeBSD 2.1.0 or 2.1.5 on a 16 MHz 386sx16 with 4 MB of RAM. Has an 8 bit NE2000 NIC which required the NFS window be reduced to 1k or so. I used this as a "portable FreeBSD netinstall box" back in the bad old days before I could afford a CD-R, or even have CD-ROM on many machines. You could try FreeBSD 2.2.9! It was released April 1st 2006. "Releases which are published from a -STABLE branch will be supported by the Security Officer for a minimum of 12 months after the release." http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#adv So technically it's a current and fully supported release of FreeBSD!!! hahahaha! :-0 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On Aug 27, 2006, at 4:35 PM, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) wrote: Everyone will laugh at this, but I have an old box with a 25mHz processor or so. It has 8mB of memory. I want to install some type of UNIX clone on it, as a proof of concept. I don't care if it's linux, freebsd, or something else, but I need something that will run with enough speed to run an sshd and not much else. It will just be to prove that old hardware can still be used. Any suggestions? Haven't booted it in a long time but have FreeBSD 2.1.0 or 2.1.5 on a 16 MHz 386sx16 with 4 MB of RAM. Has an 8 bit NE2000 NIC which required the NFS window be reduced to 1k or so. I used this as a "portable FreeBSD netinstall box" back in the bad old days before I could afford a CD-R, or even have CD-ROM on many machines. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On 27 August 2006, at 16:42, albi wrote: it's a 386 ? try minix first Does it have a way to install without a CD? FBSD has floppies that you can network install using. I can't use CDs because the CD drive of this box can't read CD-Rs =( , then FreeBSD 3.x :] http://www.minix3.org/download/index.html -- grtjs, albi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On 27 August 2006, at 18:01, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/27/06, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That box doesn't have enough memory to run a current version of FreeBSD or Linux. I just want a version to run, a new one is obviously pushing it :) Also what CPU does it use? 386 FreeBSD 6.x, and I'm sure Linux 2.6, removed 386 support. You need a 486 or better to run the current version of FreeBSD. Does this box have a math coprocessor? Yes. The "recommended" minimum requirements to run FreeBSD 6.1 is a Pentium MMX, or equivalent, with 32MB of system ram. You can get by with less but you won't like the results if you plan to use it as a workstation. LOL, no, that would be torture, it's purely proof of concept. Use FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE or 5.5-STABLE for anything less then that. I did some tests on disk space and memory requirements back in January with FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE. Nobody seemed to notice the first time so I'll post it again: Test Rig: VMware 5 (Win2K/NTFS), VM Settings: 32MB RAM 64MB RAM For KDE-Lite Install (failed with 32MB) 128MB RAM For GNOME-Lite Install (failed with 64MB) 4GB Hard Drive (Default settings) CD-ROM (Pointing to FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 ISO Images) No USB, No Audio, No LAN FreeBSD Disk Layout: ad0s1a 4095MB / ufs2 ad0s1b nullswapnull ad0s1d null/varnull ad0s1e null/tmpnull ad0s1f null/usrnull Everything (/tmp, /var, and /usr) is setup on the root partition, no swap partition was setup. Results: * 1st column of numbers are from the VM disk image file. * 2nd column is from inside FreeBSD with "du -m". * All numbers reported in megabytes. Distribution Sets: Developer 918 741 X-Developer 1080882 Kern-Developer 526 427 X-Kern-Developer690 568 User393 319 X-User 560 461 Minimal 183 156 Extrapolated Results: Ports System283 270 GNOME-Lite 688 655 KDE-Lite879 864 X.Org Default Install 164 143 X.Org Full Install 177 158 Linux Binary Compat.255 127 Sys Sources + Proflibs 392 315 Kern Sources + Proflibs 133 109 Miscellaneous Sets: X-User (All X.Org) 572 476 X-User + GNOME-Lite 12471115 X-User + KDE-Lite 14381323 Minimal + Ports System 466 425 Minimal + Linux Compat. 438 282 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On 8/27/06, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Everyone will laugh at this, but I have an old box with a 25mHz processor or so. It has 8mB of memory. I want to install some type of UNIX clone on it, as a proof of concept. I don't care if it's linux, freebsd, or something else, but I need something that will run with enough speed to run an sshd and not much else. It will just be to prove that old hardware can still be used. Any suggestions? ___ That box doesn't have enough memory to run a current version of FreeBSD or Linux. Also what CPU does it use? FreeBSD 6.x, and I'm sure Linux 2.6, removed 386 support. You need a 486 or better to run the current version of FreeBSD. Does this box have a math coprocessor? The "recommended" minimum requirements to run FreeBSD 6.1 is a Pentium MMX, or equivalent, with 32MB of system ram. You can get by with less but you won't like the results if you plan to use it as a workstation. Use FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE or 5.5-STABLE for anything less then that. I did some tests on disk space and memory requirements back in January with FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE. Nobody seemed to notice the first time so I'll post it again: Test Rig: VMware 5 (Win2K/NTFS), VM Settings: 32MB RAM 64MB RAM For KDE-Lite Install (failed with 32MB) 128MB RAM For GNOME-Lite Install (failed with 64MB) 4GB Hard Drive (Default settings) CD-ROM (Pointing to FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 ISO Images) No USB, No Audio, No LAN FreeBSD Disk Layout: ad0s1a 4095MB / ufs2 ad0s1b nullswapnull ad0s1d null/varnull ad0s1e null/tmpnull ad0s1f null/usrnull Everything (/tmp, /var, and /usr) is setup on the root partition, no swap partition was setup. Results: * 1st column of numbers are from the VM disk image file. * 2nd column is from inside FreeBSD with "du -m". * All numbers reported in megabytes. Distribution Sets: Developer 918 741 X-Developer 1080882 Kern-Developer 526 427 X-Kern-Developer690 568 User393 319 X-User 560 461 Minimal 183 156 Extrapolated Results: Ports System283 270 GNOME-Lite 688 655 KDE-Lite879 864 X.Org Default Install 164 143 X.Org Full Install 177 158 Linux Binary Compat.255 127 Sys Sources + Proflibs 392 315 Kern Sources + Proflibs 133 109 Miscellaneous Sets: X-User (All X.Org) 572 476 X-User + GNOME-Lite 12471115 X-User + KDE-Lite 14381323 Minimal + Ports System 466 425 Minimal + Linux Compat. 438 282 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 04:35:51PM -0500, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) wrote: > Everyone will laugh at this, but I have an old box with a 25mHz > processor or so. It has 8mB of memory. I want to install some type of > UNIX clone on it, as a proof of concept. I don't care if it's linux, > freebsd, or something else, but I need something that will run with > enough speed to run an sshd and not much else. It will just be to > prove that old hardware can still be used. Any suggestions? Take a look at NetBSD. It usually works fairly well on older hardware. Otherwise I do know for a fact that FreeBSD 3.1 will install and run just fine on such a machine. (Later 3.x and 4.x versions of FreeBSD will also run fine on that machine, but somewhere along that line (I think it was around 3.4 but I am not certain) the minimum memory needed to *install* FreeBSD increased to 12MB.) -- Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:35:51 -0500 "hackmiester (Hunter Fuller)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Everyone will laugh at this, but I have an old box with a 25mHz > processor or so. It has 8mB of memory. I want to install some type > of UNIX clone on it, as a proof of concept. I don't care if it's > linux, freebsd, or something else, but I need something that will run > with enough speed to run an sshd and not much else. It will just be > to prove that old hardware can still be used. Any suggestions? it's a 386 ? try minix first, then FreeBSD 3.x :] http://www.minix3.org/download/index.html -- grtjs, albi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
