Re: Thanks.
Ryan Coleman wrote: On Nov 18, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar mohsenjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Didn't Mohsen Mostafar Jokar post this same question last week? Yes. This second one was an apparent follow-up, hopefully he will STFW and RTFM before posting again ;-) Assuming he knows what STFW and RTFM mean. :) Well, shame on you guys. ;-) After all, this is a *help list*, right? http://www.google.com/search?q=define:STFW :-D KDK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thanks.
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar mohsenjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Thank you very much. I want make a new community of FreeBSD for my country, i think i must serve a domain like you tell me. I admire your enthusiasm but you have to do your homework before you post again. Understand this: Your community is independent from the FreeBSD project it will have no direct connection with FreeBSD.org except for the fact that they just ___might___ list you in the usergroups and mailing list pages, probably once you have demonstrated that your community deserves it. You will have to set-up you own mailing list server (I suggest mailman), and people will subscribe to that list with their own e-mails just like you did to this list. You will not have a mail account with freebsd.org unless you become a long-term and proven collaborator of the project, and even then it's unlikely that you will get such a mail or even need one, and really it's not the goal of the great majority of collaborators in any Open Source project. From your questions I think you have a lot to read before attempting to form a community. Community building is from the ground-up, it's not like you put a server on the Internet and it happens magically overnight and you become famous. On the contrary, it will be a very hard and usually not appreciated by anyone, nor it will gain you any recognition in the short term. I suggest that before you do anything, just attempt to contact the other FreeBSD users in your community and have a face-to-face meeting to discuss the formation of the Iranian BSD community. Maybe in your university or other universities and institutes you can gain enough mass and interest. Contact the person that owns freebsd.ir and ask him what his plans are with the domain. If you are able to round up these people in person I'm sure that within those meetings you will find many of the answers to your questions. if i serve a domain, second step what is it? i want have a email account with freebsd.org like users in this page http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html That is just a list of the mailing lists in languages other than English, but each one is maintained independently from the FreeBSD project. what should i do? I thankful if you guide me. Contact every FreeBSD user you can find and have a meeting in person. Discuss with them your ideas and be prepared for a lot of hard work. Contact the people at IRNIC (nic.ir I copied their info below), I am sure that people in their IT department will guide you with this. Their Web site uses Apache 2.2.3 on CentOS, so they are probably familiar with Open Source and may direct you to other Open Source communities which will most probably help you and guide you in making your FBSD community there. Using a simple google search I found that on February 3rd, 2010 Abbas Farahmand posted on the FreeBSD forums about translating to Persian, he will surely be of help and will most likely support your cause: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=65925#post65925 Here is the info of your local NIC domain: nic.ir ascii: nic.ir remarks:(Domain Holder) Dot-IR (.ir) ccTLD Registry, Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) remarks:(Domain Holder Address) Shahid Bahonar (Niavaran) Sq., Tehran, Tehran, IR org:Dot-IR (.ir) ccTLD Registry, Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) e-mail: i...@nic.ir address:Shahid Bahonar (Niavaran) Sq., Tehran, Tehran, IR phone: +98 21 2229 0306 fax-no: +98 21 2229 5700 source: IRNIC # Filtered nic-hdl:as51-irnic person: Alireza Saleh e-mail: alir...@mini.nic.ir source: IRNIC # Filtered ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thanks.
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar mohsenjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Thank you very much. You are welcome :) I want make a new community of FreeBSD for my country, i think i must serve a domain like you tell me. if i serve a domain, second step what is it? i want have a email account with freebsd.org like users in this page http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html what should i do? I thankful if you guide me. The mailing lists hosted at lists.FreeBSD.org are managed by our postmaster team. So you have to go through the normal process before you create a mailing list there. This means that: a) You have to talk to postmaster and convince them that there is a very real need for another mailing list. b) You have to come up with a 'charter' for the mailing list: a short blurb that describes what the list topic will be, who is allowed to post there, etc. c) Once you get approval from postmaster, your list will be created and you can go on using it. I am not sure what you mean by serve a domain. Do you already have a web site or other community-related place where people can join and talk about FreeBSD-related material? If yes, what is the name of the web site? Can you briefly describe the community itself? Cheers, Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thanks.
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar mohsenjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Didn't Mohsen Mostafar Jokar post this same question last week? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thanks.
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar mohsenjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Didn't Mohsen Mostafar Jokar post this same question last week? Yes. This second one was an apparent follow-up, hopefully he will STFW and RTFM before posting again ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thanks.
On Nov 18, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:31 +0330, Mohsen Mostafa Jokar mohsenjo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Didn't Mohsen Mostafar Jokar post this same question last week? Yes. This second one was an apparent follow-up, hopefully he will STFW and RTFM before posting again ;-) Assuming he knows what STFW and RTFM mean. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thanks [upgrading installed ports: time to do it ?]
On Tue 23 Jun 2009 at 07:09:28 PDT dan wrote: I used both pkg_updating and portupdate-scan to scan UPDATING [pkg_updating did not show an entry suggesting to update python to version 2.6 (which Portupdate-scan did)]. Well, I just learned something from this thread. I didn't know about these tools. Thanks for mentioning them! I usually use portupgrade, in a rather simple-minded way. Now you've inspired me to spend some time reading the manpages, to see how I can improve my routine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thanks and another problem ...
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 04:32:37PM -0400, John Wynstra wrote: Thanks for the solution to my Firefox/Thunderbird woes. All cured now. The answer was to add prefs to Thunderbird to allow Firefox in as suggested by Tore Lund. Since these preferences do not exist already they need to be added manually to a file. Now I am trying to build Open Office for access to word files. The make install dies at the point where the java files need to be manually installed. I did that but this version of Open Office requires older versions of java. I built openoffice and jdk15 just last week without any problems. There was no requirement for an older version of java, just jdk15. Have you updated your ports tree? Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by - Douglas Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks and another problem ...
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 09:58:22PM -0400, John Wynstra wrote: I cleaned up and reran the make install ... +++ === openoffice.org-2.3.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - found === Patching for openoffice.org-2.3.1 You need to update your ports tree. The current version is 2.4.0_5. Please consult the Handbook on how to keep your ports-tree up to date: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Irrationality is the square root of all evil - Douglas Hofstadter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Thanks! and... the su command
-Original Message- From: Dan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: zondag 26 maart 2006 8:54 To: Saul Mena Avila Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thanks! and... the su command In the last episode (Mar 26), Saul Mena Avila said: Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all. Is it wrong configured or installed? You need to be in the 'wheel' group to su to root. It's not mentioned in the su manpage, but is in both the FAQ and handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/securing- freebsd.html -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although it is described in the handbook, in my opinion an error message, or more generally a feedback message, should give more useful feedback to the user. Now the user must think of all the checks that can fail while - in this case - authenticating, which is rather silly when you think of it, because the su-command, just did exactly the same, and could have easily printed a message that would describe the check on which it returned the error. - Freek Nossin PS: cc to freebsd-? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks! and... the su command
On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 01:07:15PM +0200, Freek Nossin wrote: -Original Message- From: Dan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: zondag 26 maart 2006 8:54 To: Saul Mena Avila Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thanks! and... the su command In the last episode (Mar 26), Saul Mena Avila said: Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all. Is it wrong configured or installed? You need to be in the 'wheel' group to su to root. It's not mentioned in the su manpage, but is in both the FAQ and handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/securing- freebsd.html -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although it is described in the handbook, in my opinion an error message, or more generally a feedback message, should give more useful feedback to the user. Now the user must think of all the checks that can fail while - in this case - authenticating, which is rather silly when you think of it, because the su-command, just did exactly the same, and could have easily printed a message that would describe the check on which it returned the error. - Freek Nossin PS: cc to freebsd-? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a way to su root anyway. Should you read su(1) and pam.conf(5), you see that your ability to su root depends on the /etc/pam.d/su For the first time, you can delete this file, and you will be able to su anybody always. But this is not a good way for security reasons. Then read pam.conf(5) and edit the /etc/pam.d/su in a way allowing you to su root. But only you. Elisej Babenko mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks! and... the su command
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Saul Mena Avila wrote: Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all. Is it wrong configured or installed? Per default only members of group wheel are allowed to su to root. Regards, Uli. -saul ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Peter Ulrich Kruppa - Wuppertal - Germany * * ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks! and... the su command
In the last episode (Mar 26), Saul Mena Avila said: Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all. Is it wrong configured or installed? You need to be in the 'wheel' group to su to root. It's not mentioned in the su manpage, but is in both the FAQ and handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/securing-freebsd.html -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks! and... the su command
On Sunday 26 March 2006 00:45, Saul Mena Avila wrote: Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all. Is it wrong configured or installed? That's the same error I get when I've mistyped the root password. David -- Sure God created the world in only six days, but He didn't have an established userbase. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks! and... the su command
Saul Mena Avila wrote: Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all. Is it wrong configured or installed? -saul Hi, Check to see if you belong to the wheel group. As root #pw groupshow wheel If your user name doesn't appear then do this #pw groupmod wheel -m your_user_name_here Next time you log in as that user you should be able to su to root --Duane Whitty ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks for FBSD6
Hi, On 12/7/05, Jon Drukman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note to say thanks to all the hard working people who created FBSD6. I spent an annoying week trying to get some minimal lightweight Linux distros to work out of the box on an ancient laptop that I had lying around. They all had various problems, such as: unable to recognize/configure the wireless ethernet card, or the X server wouldn't come up properly. FBSD6 worked basically out of the box. I had to create a custom script in rc.d to get the wireless to work on boot, but that was about it. basically the meat of the script looks like: ifconfig ath0 ssid my wireless network dhclient ath0 if someone can tell me what /etc/rc.conf options i need to set to duplicate that, that would be cool. i played around with it for a while but never got it to work without my custom script. You can use in /etc/rc.conf: ifconfig_ath0=DHCP ssid your_ssid Read rc.conf(5) for more information. HTH Regards -jsd- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- There's this old saying: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks for FBSD6
Dominique Goncalves wrote:
basically the meat of the script looks like:
ifconfig ath0 ssid my wireless network
dhclient ath0
if someone can tell me what /etc/rc.conf options i need to set to
duplicate that, that would be cool. i played around with it for a while
but never got it to work without my custom script.
You can use in /etc/rc.conf:
ifconfig_ath0=DHCP ssid your_ssid
That's FreeBSD 5.X and prior way of doing it. The suggested way to
config your wirerless is with wpa_supplicant(8). In rc.conf add:
wpa_suplicant_enable=YES
ifconfig_ath0=DHCP
and create wpa_supplicant.conf:
network={
ssid=MyWireless
mode=11g
}
The neat thing is that you can configure multiple networks and
wpa_supplicant will try them in order.
Note that dhclient was replaced with the new OpenBSD implementation in
FBSD6, and wpa_supplicant introduced to handle association with wireless
networks.
Cheers, Erik
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Re: Thanks for FBSD6
Erik Nørgaard wrote:
and create wpa_supplicant.conf:
network={
ssid=MyWireless
mode=11g
}
ofcourse there are more options see wpa_supplicant.conf(5), I just now
see that I've used 11g incorrectly. Well, another thing that maybe
someone can highlight:
Say you configure two (or more) networks, one uses dhcp the other static
ip, or they use two different static ip's. How to go about that?
Thanks, Erik
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Re: Thanks for FBSD6
Dominique Goncalves wrote: You can use in /etc/rc.conf: ifconfig_ath0=DHCP ssid your_ssid That's FreeBSD 5.X and prior way of doing it. The suggested way to config your wirerless is with wpa_supplicant(8). In rc.conf add: According to this documentation http://www.freebsdmall.com/~loader/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/wireless/article.html this syntax is ok on 6.0, but I don't know if the order of arguments have an importance. Yes, you're right, it works - I'm not sure of the order either. What doesn't work anymore is the ancient posibility of including these options in dhclient.conf However, wpa_supplicant is needed to handle encryption keys etc. And then comes the neat feature of supporting multiple networks. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks for FBSD6
You can use in /etc/rc.conf:
ifconfig_ath0=DHCP ssid your_ssid
That's FreeBSD 5.X and prior way of doing it. The suggested way to
config your wirerless is with wpa_supplicant(8). In rc.conf add:
wpa_suplicant_enable=YES
ifconfig_ath0=DHCP
and create wpa_supplicant.conf:
network={
ssid=MyWireless
mode=11g
}
According to this documentation
http://www.freebsdmall.com/~loader/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/wireless/article.html
this syntax is ok on 6.0, but I don't know if the order of arguments
have an importance.
Regards.
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Re: Thanks a lot!!!
On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 11:21:17PM -0700, rolan herreria wrote:
We are just worrying about the BSA RAID
(http://www.bsa.org/philippines/events/Anti-Piracy-Team.cfm). We
like to change our OS but not that expensive like Microsoft OS...
The amount of MS WinXP Pro here is Php9400.00 and we have 10 PC's
so we nid Php94,000.00...Those games that we want to run are
Ragnarok, Counterstrike, Warcraft Frozenthrone III. Doom3 and any
Online Games...
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but it sounds like you run
an internet/gaming cafe. The computers currently run Windows, and
you want a free operating system to replace it.
FreeBSD would be a fine choice, especially if most of your customers
want to surf the web or word process. 3D gaming is also possible,
but it takes a little bit of work.
Personally, I run my games on Linux (Ubuntu, in particular); FreeBSD
runs on my servers and work laptop. There are folks who use at least
some of the games you mentioned above on FreeBSD; hopefully they'll
chime in.
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Re: Thanks a lot!!!
Will Maier wrote: On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 11:21:17PM -0700, rolan herreria wrote: We are just worrying about the BSA RAID (http://www.bsa.org/philippines/events/Anti-Piracy-Team.cfm). We like to change our OS but not that expensive like Microsoft OS... The amount of MS WinXP Pro here is Php9400.00 and we have 10 PC's so we nid Php94,000.00...Those games that we want to run are Ragnarok, Counterstrike, Warcraft Frozenthrone III. Doom3 and any Online Games... I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but it sounds like you run an internet/gaming cafe. The computers currently run Windows, and you want a free operating system to replace it. FreeBSD would be a fine choice, especially if most of your customers want to surf the web or word process. 3D gaming is also possible, but it takes a little bit of work. Personally, I run my games on Linux (Ubuntu, in particular); FreeBSD runs on my servers and work laptop. There are folks who use at least some of the games you mentioned above on FreeBSD; hopefully they'll chime in. I ran Neverwinter Nights, Enemy Territory and UT2004 with great success. However, playing this game under anything else than windows is to be a pain because of patches. Games producers seem to love making v1.34.01.15 incompatible with v1.34.01.16, so as soon as the server administrator decide he will get this new 1.34.01.16, because he wants to correct that bug he did not even notice, you will have to update. And there... that's awful. You don't have the click here button to upgrade. You have to do it manually, hoping the port was updated. The other problem you may have is with Pack, like in UT, with new vehicles, new maps and so on. They are often released in .exe, and downloading them using the game is very very slow. Concerning the games you want to run, I just tried CS (CS1.5, not CS:S), using wine, like friends of mine. We only had issues with voice. I did not try Warcraft 3, but there, you might want to use linux and wineX. But if you're ready to accept these small problems, you should just wonder if the games you want to install are ported. If you're considering building gaming servers, freebsd is definitely a good choice. Our gaming server used to run on Freebsd, and nobody complained about it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks a lot!!!
# Gregory Nou: [ Playing with FBSD ] I ran Neverwinter Nights, Enemy Territory and UT2004 with great success. There are two issues with FreeBSD here (I've found out the hard way): 1) There is no nVidia-driver for amd64 and --unless nVidia changes their mind-- there won't ever be one. 2) The i386-nVidia-driver (tested 6113, 7667, 7676) seems to have a major problem with Athlon64 on socket 939. Just google for | NVRM: AGP cannot be enabled on this combination of the AMD CPU and OS kernel | NVRM: kernel upgrade recommended. Apparently, the driver is unable to use either NVAgp or native AGP. You'll still be able to use twin-screens and hardware accelleration, albeit at a very limited transfer bandwidth to the GPU. Some people seem lucky enough and are still able to play, but I know that _for me_ UT2004 runs *way* too slow since updating CPU+Mainboard. (Ran perfectly fine before). In short: if your PCs have a combination of nVidia-GPU and Athlon64/939-CPU, FreeBSD is not a good choice atm. :( HTH Mario ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks...
On 2005-09-07 17:29, Rem Roberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all that answered my questions about xterm. One more question and then I'll quit for the day. I have created a cvsupfile to use with cvsup, and it contains a docs-all line, which is used to update the doc repository. However, both of the books that I have on FreeBSD state that the docs are contained in the /usr/doc directory. No such directory exists in my 5.4 installation. Where did that directory go? The docs-all collection fetches the documentation sources (SGML, XML and the Makefiles needed to build format the docs). Are you sure it's this that you want? To tell you exactly where the doc sources have gone, we have to see the supfile though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks...
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2005-09-07 17:29, Rem Roberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all that answered my questions about xterm. One more question and then I'll quit for the day. I have created a cvsupfile to use with cvsup, and it contains a docs-all line, which is used to update the doc repository. However, both of the books that I have on FreeBSD state that the docs are contained in the /usr/doc directory. No such directory exists in my 5.4 installation. Where did that directory go? The docs-all collection fetches the documentation sources (SGML, XML and the Makefiles needed to build format the docs). Are you sure it's this that you want? To tell you exactly where the doc sources have gone, we have to see the supfile though. Thanks for your reply. Here's the file: *default tag=RELENG_5_4_0_RELEASE *default host=cvsup1.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/home/ncvs *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ports-all doc-all www cvsroot-all Except for adding the initial tag, I just copied this supfile from one of the examples. It probably leaves a lot to be desired. Rem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2005-09-07 18:08, Rem Roberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: To tell you exactly where the doc sources have gone, we have to see the supfile though. *default tag=RELENG_5_4_0_RELEASE *default host=cvsup1.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/home/ncvs *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ports-all doc-all www cvsroot-all Except for adding the initial tag, I just copied this supfile from one of the examples. It probably leaves a lot to be desired. This must have taken a while, right? The release you specified is cvs, which means bring me a mirror of the CVS repository, instead of a single revision of each file. The prefix is /home/ncvs, so doc/... files end up under the directory /home/ncvs/doc/... You have an almost complete mirror of the entire FreeBSD CVS repository, if you actually ran cvsup with this supfile. Look under /home/ncvs :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2005-09-07 18:08, Rem Roberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: To tell you exactly where the doc sources have gone, we have to see the supfile though. *default tag=RELENG_5_4_0_RELEASE *default host=cvsup1.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/home/ncvs *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ports-all doc-all www cvsroot-all Except for adding the initial tag, I just copied this supfile from one of the examples. It probably leaves a lot to be desired. This must have taken a while, right? The release you specified is cvs, which means bring me a mirror of the CVS repository, instead of a single revision of each file. The prefix is /home/ncvs, so doc/... files end up under the directory /home/ncvs/doc/... You have an almost complete mirror of the entire FreeBSD CVS repository, if you actually ran cvsup with this supfile. Look under /home/ncvs :) Efharisto, Giorgos, Yes, it did take a while. I shall now go and take a look in the above mentioned directory. Unfortunately I do not have email set up with the new system, so I have to switch back and forth between Windows and FreeBSD. Email is my next task. Thanks again. Rem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 07 September 2005 05:08 pm, Rem Roberti wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2005-09-07 17:29, Rem Roberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all that answered my questions about xterm. One more question and then I'll quit for the day. I have created a cvsupfile to use with cvsup, and it contains a docs-all line, which is used to update the doc repository. However, both of the books that I have on FreeBSD state that the docs are contained in the /usr/doc directory. No such directory exists in my 5.4 installation. Where did that directory go? The docs-all collection fetches the documentation sources (SGML, XML and the Makefiles needed to build format the docs). Are you sure it's this that you want? To tell you exactly where the doc sources have gone, we have to see the supfile though. Thanks for your reply. Here's the file: *default tag=RELENG_5_4_0_RELEASE *default host=cvsup1.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/home/ncvs *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ports-all doc-all www cvsroot-all Except for adding the initial tag, I just copied this supfile from one of the examples. It probably leaves a lot to be desired. Rem Your cvsupfile should look like this: *default tag=RELENG_5_4_0_RELEASE *default host=cvsup3.freebsd.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default compress *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all doc-all ports-all tag=. - Note the period That will update your local /usr/src, /usr/doc and /usr/ports. Ports always need to be tagged head otherwise cvsup will just delete your ports tree. Change *default host to a mirror close to you. You don't need www unless you plan on mirroring the freebsd website, nor do you need cvs-root. Enjoy, Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - System Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | NorthWind Communications \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ --- pgpEz4Vb0U3CW.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wednesday 07 September 2005 06:33 pm, Rem Roberti wrote: Beecher Rintoul wrote: On Wednesday 07 September 2005 05:08 pm, Rem Roberti wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2005-09-07 17:29, Rem Roberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all that answered my questions about xterm. One more question and then I'll quit for the day. I have created a cvsupfile to use with cvsup, and it contains a docs-all line, which is used to update the doc repository. However, both of the books that I have on FreeBSD state that the docs are contained in the /usr/doc directory. No such directory exists in my 5.4 installation. Where did that directory go? The docs-all collection fetches the documentation sources (SGML, XML and the Makefiles needed to build format the docs). Are you sure it's this that you want? To tell you exactly where the doc sources have gone, we have to see the supfile though. Thanks for your reply. Here's the file: *default tag=RELENG_5_4_0_RELEASE *default host=cvsup1.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/home/ncvs *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ports-all doc-all www cvsroot-all Except for adding the initial tag, I just copied this supfile from one of the examples. It probably leaves a lot to be desired. Rem Your cvsupfile should look like this: *default tag=RELENG_5_4_0_RELEASE *default host=cvsup3.freebsd.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default compress *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all doc-all ports-all tag=. - Note the period That will update your local /usr/src, /usr/doc and /usr/ports. Ports always need to be tagged head otherwise cvsup will just delete your ports tree. Change *default host to a mirror close to you. You don't need www unless you plan on mirroring the freebsd website, nor do you need cvs-root. Enjoy, Beech Thanks very much, Beech. As you can tell, this is all new to me. Once having run cvsup with the above supfile, do I then have to do something with the cvs command? No, running cvsup with that cvsupfile will update all of your local sources. You might want to delete /home/ncvs as that is taking up a lot of disc space and you don't need it unless you're planning to run your own cvs mirror, or you're planning on tracking multiple branches. Just stick with cvsup, it's much easier to use than CVS. Take a look at the handbook. It has a lot of info pertaining to what your doing. You might want to be tracking RELENG_5 as your default tag. That's the 5-stable branch which will contain bug fixes etc that are not in the release. RELENG_5_4_0 is just a snapshot of that release with only security updates. Always read /usr/src/UPDATING before building / installing it will save you from potential gotyas. Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - System Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | NorthWind Communications \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ --- pgphLkSBQGvxx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Thanks to Bill Moran
Theodore K. Milbaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill gave an excellent presentation on stopping unwanted email at last week's Ohio Linuxfest in Columbus. You can see it at: http://www.potentialtech.com/wmoran/index.php It was very informative, and I think everyone can get something out of this. Thanks again Bill! Thanks :) I'm glad the information is helpful. I want to point out that FreeBSD's very own Tom Rhodes led a FreeBSD BOF discussion after lunch that was well attended and well received. So consider heading out to Ohio Linuxfest next year if you can make it, as there seemed to be a pretty strong BSD showing. http://www.ohiolinux.org -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As of March 12th, I have a new email address, d_good @ shaw.ca (remove the spaces) Please update your address book entry, because after March 30th, this email address will no longer be functional. Again, the new address is d_good @ shaw.ca (remove the spaces) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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let`s suppose i go to any college, study computer science, what chances are to get a job in any freebsd related group? 1. FreeBSD itself is not a company. We don't offer jobs. However, there are many software shops (companies) that develop or support Unix (Linux, BSD, ...) software. Even more companies (from all sectors of the economy) need experienced junior sysadmins or netadmins, who are proficient at playing with [and programming] misc. Unix versions, including, but not limited to, FreeBSD. 2. It is not absolutely necessary to study CS to be a good programmer, though some CS background won't hurt either. To understand some of the non-trivial algorithms, one or two years of CS exposure would be IMHO very desirable though. This is a personal question just reply if you want to. i know that the open source community works in a way of working on what you decide you want to work on (for curiosity , pleasure, you want to help). Dont you guys get paid for taking the time to do what you do and give it back tot the community? I dont want you think im getting into this for the money but we all need it. Can anybody clarify this for me please? Hacking[1] Unix is fun and the best game in town! You don't get paid for playing, do you? Some of us are fortunate enough to have the priviledge of having daytime jobs that require working in a Unix environment too. Just don't tell our employers that we're having fun in our jobs... ;-) [1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html As for books. i like to read and going to start bying some books on unix and programming. Check out the excellent O'Reilly Nutshell books: http://www.oreilly.com/ As for books, a few of us started their careers in programming in a very unusual, but innovative way, by reading the Wizard Book [SICPv2]: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ This is a great introduction to programming concepts, based on Scheme, a Lisp dialect (FreeBSD has many Scheme interpreters in the ports tree as well). SICP is part of the introductory CS curriculum at MIT: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/course.html and is being taught in many other Universities worldwide too. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:07:24PM -0800, nil ban wrote: Thanks, Yes , when I run kpp it says /etc/resolve.conf is missing or can't be read. I havn't got anything except username and password from my isp. I'll do what u said I don't have to use any address explicitly in windows. And yes I also remember my isp gave a printed form and there two address defined , one as a primary and one is secondery. will I use those addresses? Thanks again Yes, those would be the two addresses to use. Add those two addresses to the file /etc/resolv.conf in the form specified in previous messages. Nathan -- gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys D8527E49 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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telnet and ftp are disabled by default on a new FreeBSD install. If you wish to use them, you must turn them on. edit your /etc/inetd.conf file and uncomment the lines that say telnet and ftp Save it and issue a SIGHUP to inetd. Peter At 06:06 PM 7/19/2003 +, you wrote: thanks what bout to telnet freebsd from windows box on same network [telnet] 10.0.0.1 fbsd 10.0.0.2 windows never connects (could not open connection) thanks R _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Elsner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President Of Customer Service (And System Administrator) 1835 S. Carrier Parkway Grand Prairie, Texas 75051 (972) 263-2080 - Voice (972) 263-2082 - Fax (972) 489-4838 - Cell Phone ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Axl Rose wrote: thanks what bout to telnet freebsd from windows box on same network [telnet] 10.0.0.1 fbsd 10.0.0.2 windows never connects (could not open connection) You can enable telnet by removing the # in the telnet stream tcp ... line in /etc/inetd.conf and either reboot or do # /etc/netstart Uli. thanks R _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | - Wuppertal - | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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slower speed (4x is as low as I get), but I'm still at a point where the system responds with: Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM: Failure... No /boot/loader Did you try to download the floppies, boot from them, then direct /stand to point to the CD as the install media? Steve I assume that ATAPI is the model of the CD-ROM the system found. But, the 'Failure... has me stumped. Is it possible that although the system (and FreeBSD) recognize the type of CD-Rom I have, but FreeBSD just doesn't support it [Creative Infra1800]. I admit when looking at the supported hardware, I didn't see Creative on the list - but then what's up with ATAPI? I apologize. A lot of my questions are rhetorical in that I just need to 'vent' (if I don't talk to myself, then I type to myself). And as another poster put it 'Don't throw out the old machine, just have patience' - as you've stated also. I have patience (and an occasional temper). Although my hostility factor towards this so far is only at about 3. Thanks again, and if you have anything else to add (not to my misery please), feel free. Scott McClellan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
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This question may have already been asked but how are you exactly burning the image. Just making sure your not just burning the file on the CD :) On Fri, 07 Mar 2003, scott mcclellan wrote: Not sure how to reply to the threads on the freebsd lists, but will probably post there with an update to all this soon. I did do the ole' switch of jumpers (two times as I didn't know which posts were designated for MASTER - trial and error I guess). So now the system sees the CD-ROM as the Secondary Master (which is a good thing I'm supposing) And I did take another poster's advise in burning the ISO image at a slower speed (4x is as low as I get), but I'm still at a point where the system responds with: Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM: Failure... No /boot/loader I assume that ATAPI is the model of the CD-ROM the system found. But, the 'Failure... has me stumped. Is it possible that although the system (and FreeBSD) recognize the type of CD-Rom I have, but FreeBSD just doesn't support it [Creative Infra1800]. I admit when looking at the supported hardware, I didn't see Creative on the list - but then what's up with ATAPI? I apologize. A lot of my questions are rhetorical in that I just need to 'vent' (if I don't talk to myself, then I type to myself). And as another poster put it 'Don't throw out the old machine, just have patience' - as you've stated also. I have patience (and an occasional temper). Although my hostility factor towards this so far is only at about 3. Thanks again, and if you have anything else to add (not to my misery please), feel free. Scott McClellan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Thanks guys
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 01:01:08AM -0800, Grant Cooper wrote: There are so many different types of UNIX. If freeBSD is so great why won't natural selection begin and let some of these Unix flavors die? Really, wouldn't it be a better world if we had just a couple open source OS? Why ? That's why it's Open-Source, it breaks the monopoly of closed source. Ok, 20 flavours of Linux and at least 3 of *BSD; well...that's the way it goes...All OS'es should be Open-Sourced..especially in these dangerous days ! Mind you I am not sure how many volunteers there would be who would wish to wade through what is rumoured to be 30 million lines of code that constitute Windows2000. I've been doing some background reading and correct me if I'm wrong. But I came across of at least 30 active different open source and commercial Unix flavors (and I'm sure that's a drop in the bucket)? And my last comment is about the commercial Unix flavors. If they cost so much - are they more bug free, better support, more people working on it. $12, 000 for a licence is alot of money. Bug-free.. ROFL. Oh No ! HP-UX, Solaris, AIX ... etc. etc. cannot be described as bug-free my friend. The responsivenes of voluntary effort to systems like FreeBSD and some (but not all) versions of Linux, would astonish some IT managers who think if you don't pay it must be worthless...that is despite FreeBSD's long pedigree and quite well-known fame for stability. Well, I just like to say that I think FreeBSD is great. My first real unix experience and I couldn't have done it without the support of the FreeBSD lists and free tutorials. Well I think it's jolly good as well :) -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
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Cliff writes: Ok, 20 flavours of Linux and at least 3 of *BSD; well...that's the way it goes... Actually, it's not the number of versions that exist that is important, it's the degree of similarity among them. Twenty operating systems that are 98% compatible is much less of a problem than two operating systems that are only 5% compatible. Something that runs in an X environment on one version of UNIX will often run on several other versions of UNIX as well, but a program that runs on Windows will not run at all on the Mac without being rewritten. All OS'es should be Open-Sourced..especially in these dangerous days ! A nice wish, but developing operating systems costs an incredible amount of money, and the money has to come from somewhere, and the easiest way to raise the money is by making the OS proprietary and selling it. Open operating systems are nice when they exist, but since nobody has the resources to support them in a totally reliable and responsive way, choosing them for mission-critical applications is risky, unless one has on-site experts to maintain them if required. For many other purposes, they might be quite suitable, however. In the olden days, mainframe vendors would sell the hardware and almost throw in the OS as an afterthought, since the hardware was useless without the OS, and since the OS couldn't be used on any other hardware. They'd even provide source code so that customers could modify the OS. It worked well, but that is not a a viable model for smaller systems, because it makes it easy to take a proprietary OS and use it on different but compatible hardware (much harder for Macs than for Windows or UNIX, though). Also, customer modifications were a nightmare for support organizations--and that would be a million times worse with smaller systems, given that there are so many people of limited skill and high motivation tweaking so many smaller systems. Mind you I am not sure how many volunteers there would be who would wish to wade through what is rumoured to be 30 million lines of code that constitute Windows2000. Exactly. Writing an OS like that costs several billion dollars, and supporting it costs millions more. How would you find the money for open-source code? Then again, one might argue that 30 million lines is too much for an OS (and I tend to agree), but that's a separate issue. One nice thing about UNIX--in part because of its history, I suppose, and in part because it is largely open-source--is that it doesn't suffer from the extreme bloat of Windows or Mac operating systems. This applies only to the OS itself, though, not to bloated GUI environments that might run on top of it, which seem to have the same problem as Windows and the Mac. Well I think it's jolly good as well :) So do I. FreeBSD is a great operating system. Simple, performant, secure, reliable, accessible, and free. It would be nice to see a desktop OS with the same characteristics one day, but for various reasons, I question whether that will ever even be possible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Thanks guys
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 11:48:44AM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 01:01:08AM -0800, Grant Cooper wrote: There are so many different types of UNIX. If freeBSD is so great why won't natural selection begin and let some of these Unix flavors die? Really, wouldn't it be a better world if we had just a couple open source OS? Why ? That's why it's Open-Source, it breaks the monopoly of closed source. Ok, 20 flavours of Linux and at least 3 of *BSD; well...that's snip -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands 20 flavours of Linux? A quick search at http://www.linux.org/dist/ with criteria Any Language, Any Category and Intel Compatible returns 149 distros. Even moving the Caterory to Mainstream/General Public returns 56. Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Thanks guys
- Original Message - From: Nathan Kinkade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Thanks guys On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 11:48:44AM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 01:01:08AM -0800, Grant Cooper wrote: There are so many different types of UNIX. If freeBSD is so great why won't natural selection begin and let some of these Unix flavors die? Really, wouldn't it be a better world if we had just a couple open source OS? Why ? That's why it's Open-Source, it breaks the monopoly of closed source. Ok, 20 flavours of Linux and at least 3 of *BSD; well...that's snip -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands 20 flavours of Linux? A quick search at http://www.linux.org/dist/ with criteria Any Language, Any Category and Intel Compatible returns 149 distros. Even moving the Caterory to Mainstream/General Public returns 56. Nathan That's more than I'd care to have in my ice cream shop :-) Interesting that an additional RPM, moving apache from usr/local/www to /usr/local/etc/www and changing the angle of Tux's head contrives to make something different Oh, well. time to move this to -chat? KDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
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On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 02:07:23PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: I doubt that. Open source is written by volunteers who still have to have day jobs. If all software was open source, there'd be no jobs to support the volunteers writing open source, and so open source would destroy itself, and you'd be back to proprietary software. This effect will keep open source in check. You incorrectly assume that all those day jobs involve writing software. That is not necessarily so. It is quite possible for a volunteer writing open source code to have a day job that does not have anything at all to do with computers. You also incorrectly seem to assume that all proprietary software is written to be sold at retail. This is not so. A significant fraction of the proprietary software written is intended for in-house use. (Consider for example the computer systems of many government agencies and large companies and instituitions. Much of the code in those systems is developed in-house and never sold.) You can also consider all the software for embedded systems, where the software is not the primary product, but some physical device utilising the software. Of course, software companies could write software and then distribute the source, but no company that wants to survive can afford to do that--it would be giving away its only source of revenue. Not necessarily. You could develop software on order for some customer that needs some special software that is not available off the shelf. Then, after they get the software they wanted and you got paid, the source is released. You get paid, your customer got the software they wanted, anybody who wants to can get the source. Everybody is happy. None of the above means that all software necessarily should be open source, just that your arguments against it doesn't hold. One kind of software where proprietary off-the-shelf software does have a place is software that the average open-source programmer finds boring (since nobody will write boring code without being paid for it) and where no single entity is prepared to spend a large amount of money to have it developed, yet there still are many people who need that kind of software. Examples of this class of software is things like spreadsheets, word processors and presentation programs. There do exist some open source programs of this kind but they are mostly not quite as good as their commercial counterparts and there are very volunteers working on them, yet there are lots of people who need them. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Thanks guys
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:49:52PM +0100, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: Grant Cooper wrote: I've been doing some background reading and correct me if I'm wrong. But I came across of at least 30 active different open source and commercial Unix flavors (and I'm sure that's a drop in the bucket)? And my last comment is about the commercial Unix flavors. If they cost so much - are they more bug free, better support, more people working on it. $12, 000 for a licence is alot of money. Basically, what you are paying for is having a big company backing up the product and guarantee you that it will work. I Wrong. Have you read any of the license agreements normally accompanying commercial software? The big companies generally don't guarantee a bloody thing about the software, least of all that it will work correctly. would not say that they are bugfree, but if you find a bug, you can call your vendor and demand that they fix it. If you run a Just because you demand it doesn't mean they will even acknowledge that the bug exists, let alone fix it. free OS, you cant make any kind of demands. Most bugs are fixed You can make demands on open source programmers too. It won't do you any good, but you can do it. just as fast or even faster in the free OS's out there, but if they are not, you cant make them fix it. You can't make the big companies fix their software either. For proof of this consider Microsoft and all the viruses targeting Outlook Express. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
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Erik writes: Have you read any of the license agreements normally accompanying commercial software? The big companies generally don't guarantee a bloody thing about the software, least of all that it will work correctly. Yes, they do, and generally they will support what they sell. If they don't, it soon ceases to sell. The extensive disclaimers in licensing agreements are mainly to protect against liability, not to avoid providing support. Additionally, many vendors charge for support beyond a certain minimum. While this is not included with the original purchase, at least it is available--the same cannot be said for most open-source software. Just because you demand it doesn't mean they will even acknowledge that the bug exists, let alone fix it. They will, and they do. Most vendors know who is paying their bills. You can make demands on open source programmers too. It won't do you any good, but you can do it. And that's why open-source software is risky for important applications and large organizations. You can't make the big companies fix their software either. Yes, you can. They want your money, and they know they'll stop getting it if you are dissatisfied with support. For proof of this consider Microsoft and all the viruses targeting Outlook Express. Microsoft didn't write the viruses, and the viruses are not bugs, so I don't see the relevance of this comment. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Thanks guys
I don't think that FreeBSD-Questions is the forum for this discussion. - Michael Hogsett Erik writes: Have you read any of the license agreements normally accompanying commercial software? The big companies generally don't guarantee a bloody thing about the software, least of all that it will work correctly. Yes, they do, and generally they will support what they sell. If they don't, it soon ceases to sell. The extensive disclaimers in licensing agreements are mainly to protect against liability, not to avoid providing support. Additionally, many vendors charge for support beyond a certain minimum. While this is not included with the original purchase, at least it is available--the same cannot be said for most open-source software. Just because you demand it doesn't mean they will even acknowledge that the bug exists, let alone fix it. They will, and they do. Most vendors know who is paying their bills. You can make demands on open source programmers too. It won't do you any good, but you can do it. And that's why open-source software is risky for important applications and large organizations. You can't make the big companies fix their software either. Yes, you can. They want your money, and they know they'll stop getting it if you are dissatisfied with support. For proof of this consider Microsoft and all the viruses targeting Outlook Express. Microsoft didn't write the viruses, and the viruses are not bugs, so I don't see the relevance of this comment. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
