Re: WD drivers: Gone completely in 5.x?
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Dan Nelson wrote: > > In the last episode (Sep 23), J.A. Terranson said: > > Just means that I am stuck at 4.8R from here on in. So are a lot of > > other people... > > I think if a lot of other people were still using the wd driver we'd > have heard about it. I base my assumption on the fact that I work at a company that has *hundreds* of FBSD boxen, all of which arew on WD for the reasons I have gone into. I figure if we'vew done this, it is reasonable to assume others have too. And after looking through the archives first, there was a lot of anecdotal evidence supporting this theory. > GENERIC only has ata/ad, so I'd expect to see a > lot more "sysinstall can't write to my disk" questions. Oddly enough, I can say with authority that these issues don't show up until the disk has been in use, and starts to hit the ~40-60% usage mark. Prior to that, it's fine. > I seem to > remember having problems with the da driver on my laptop back in 2000, > but that was a loong time ago, and I have quite a few other machines > running kernels from that era that have no problems at all. > > If you actually have a bunch of machines that ata won't work on, maybe > you could ship one to Soeren and let him take a look at it? Gladly, if it will be shipped back when done. In fact, I'll ship two. The "standard build" here, which is a PPRo and the "current" which is an Asus SiS based board with a PIII-866. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Every living thing dies alone." Donnie Darko ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: WD drivers: Gone completely in 5.x?
In the last episode (Sep 23), J.A. Terranson said: > Just means that I am stuck at 4.8R from here on in. So are a lot of > other people... I think if a lot of other people were still using the wd driver we'd have heard about it. GENERIC only has ata/ad, so I'd expect to see a lot more "sysinstall can't write to my disk" questions. I seem to remember having problems with the da driver on my laptop back in 2000, but that was a loong time ago, and I have quite a few other machines running kernels from that era that have no problems at all. If you actually have a bunch of machines that ata won't work on, maybe you could ship one to Soeren and let him take a look at it? -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: WD drivers: Gone completely in 5.x?
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:08:48PM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > Just means that I am stuck at 4.8R from here on in. So are a lot of other > people... To be honest, you're the first person in months I've heard complain about this, so I suspect there aren't a "lot" of people in your situation. I assume you've sent appropriate PRs and discussed your problems with the ATA developer? Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: WD drivers: Gone completely in 5.x?
Just means that I am stuck at 4.8R from here on in. So are a lot of other people... On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Mike Tancsa wrote: > Sounds like you are out of luck. Perhaps the other OSes that work for you > is the way to go. > > ---Mike > > At 08:00 PM 23/09/2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > >On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > > What hardware do you have that does not work with the ata drivers ? > > > >Mike, I don't want to get into a flame war here, as I've already been through > >this when the ATA drivers were first released: no matter what hardware I've > >used them with, I've had issues. The oldest I can understand, but I gave it > >another go two weeks ago with modern, brand new hardware (a new SiS based > >Asus that was on the HCL when I bought it, and a Maxtor 40g IDE) and had the > >same results. The 4.8 was rebuilt last night with WD drivers, and the 5.1 > >was *supposed* to be rebuilt tonight, thus my email. The ATA drivers are > >buggy has hell, regardless of all the screaming I've heard to the > >contrary: timeouts, with or without DMA disabled, hard write errors, etc. I > >just can't do it - especially since I am constantly told the drivers are > >good, and my hardware is bad: if I take the setup that dies under ATA and > >load either WD or *any other OS*, they work flawlessly. > > > >I am a FBSD shop, have been since 2.2.5R, but I cannot use the ATA drivers - > >I need something reliable (speed is irrelevant if it doesn't work). > > > >Hrmmm I wasn't meaning to rant on you. I just looked up and there it was > >:-( Sorry... Frustration. > > > > > > > > ---Mike > > > >//Alif > > > > > > > > > At 07:40 PM 23/09/2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > > > > > >Yes, I know they are obsolete. Nevertheless, they have their place, and I > > > >have no been able to get a config to run against a wd specifying > > conf-file. > > > > > > > >Are they truly gone, or is there a magic chicken I can wave over the > > configs > > > >to make them work yet again? > > > > > > > >I am not subbed to the list, so please reply directly as well as to > > the list. > > > > > > > >Thanks!!! > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Yours, > > > >J.A. Terranson > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > "Every living thing dies alone." > > > > Donnie Darko > > > > > > > >___ > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Yours, > >J.A. Terranson > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "Every living thing dies alone." > > Donnie Darko > > -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Every living thing dies alone." Donnie Darko ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: WD drivers: Gone completely in 5.x?
Sounds like you are out of luck. Perhaps the other OSes that work for you is the way to go. ---Mike At 08:00 PM 23/09/2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Mike Tancsa wrote: > What hardware do you have that does not work with the ata drivers ? Mike, I don't want to get into a flame war here, as I've already been through this when the ATA drivers were first released: no matter what hardware I've used them with, I've had issues. The oldest I can understand, but I gave it another go two weeks ago with modern, brand new hardware (a new SiS based Asus that was on the HCL when I bought it, and a Maxtor 40g IDE) and had the same results. The 4.8 was rebuilt last night with WD drivers, and the 5.1 was *supposed* to be rebuilt tonight, thus my email. The ATA drivers are buggy has hell, regardless of all the screaming I've heard to the contrary: timeouts, with or without DMA disabled, hard write errors, etc. I just can't do it - especially since I am constantly told the drivers are good, and my hardware is bad: if I take the setup that dies under ATA and load either WD or *any other OS*, they work flawlessly. I am a FBSD shop, have been since 2.2.5R, but I cannot use the ATA drivers - I need something reliable (speed is irrelevant if it doesn't work). Hrmmm I wasn't meaning to rant on you. I just looked up and there it was :-( Sorry... Frustration. > > ---Mike //Alif > At 07:40 PM 23/09/2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > >Yes, I know they are obsolete. Nevertheless, they have their place, and I > >have no been able to get a config to run against a wd specifying conf-file. > > > >Are they truly gone, or is there a magic chicken I can wave over the configs > >to make them work yet again? > > > >I am not subbed to the list, so please reply directly as well as to the list. > > > >Thanks!!! > > > >-- > >Yours, > >J.A. Terranson > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "Every living thing dies alone." > > Donnie Darko > > > >___ > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Every living thing dies alone." Donnie Darko ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: WD drivers: Gone completely in 5.x?
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Mike Tancsa wrote: > What hardware do you have that does not work with the ata drivers ? Mike, I don't want to get into a flame war here, as I've already been through this when the ATA drivers were first released: no matter what hardware I've used them with, I've had issues. The oldest I can understand, but I gave it another go two weeks ago with modern, brand new hardware (a new SiS based Asus that was on the HCL when I bought it, and a Maxtor 40g IDE) and had the same results. The 4.8 was rebuilt last night with WD drivers, and the 5.1 was *supposed* to be rebuilt tonight, thus my email. The ATA drivers are buggy has hell, regardless of all the screaming I've heard to the contrary: timeouts, with or without DMA disabled, hard write errors, etc. I just can't do it - especially since I am constantly told the drivers are good, and my hardware is bad: if I take the setup that dies under ATA and load either WD or *any other OS*, they work flawlessly. I am a FBSD shop, have been since 2.2.5R, but I cannot use the ATA drivers - I need something reliable (speed is irrelevant if it doesn't work). Hrmmm I wasn't meaning to rant on you. I just looked up and there it was :-( Sorry... Frustration. > > ---Mike //Alif > At 07:40 PM 23/09/2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > >Yes, I know they are obsolete. Nevertheless, they have their place, and I > >have no been able to get a config to run against a wd specifying conf-file. > > > >Are they truly gone, or is there a magic chicken I can wave over the configs > >to make them work yet again? > > > >I am not subbed to the list, so please reply directly as well as to the list. > > > >Thanks!!! > > > >-- > >Yours, > >J.A. Terranson > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "Every living thing dies alone." > > Donnie Darko > > > >___ > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Every living thing dies alone." Donnie Darko ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: WD drivers: Gone completely in 5.x?
What hardware do you have that does not work with the ata drivers ? ---Mike At 07:40 PM 23/09/2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: Yes, I know they are obsolete. Nevertheless, they have their place, and I have no been able to get a config to run against a wd specifying conf-file. Are they truly gone, or is there a magic chicken I can wave over the configs to make them work yet again? I am not subbed to the list, so please reply directly as well as to the list. Thanks!!! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Every living thing dies alone." Donnie Darko ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
