Re: xorg and xfree86
Vulpes Velox wrote: Xorg beat XFree86 out in regards of features in the newest release. And in regards of bugs. I've never seen so many random BadWindow errors when doing remote X than I have with X.org. Not even old DEC and HP R5 servers were so bugged. But of course stability is for bean counters... it's much more important to add heaps of new gizmos to support the latest Gn0m3 eyecandy extravaganza. mkb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg and xfree86
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:54:13AM -0500, Duane Winner wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if anybody could provide me with a brief explanation of why FreeBSD has made Xorg the default X11 implementation over XFree86. It doesn't really matter to me, I've tried it, it seems to work fine, and almost exactly the same. The only problem I've run into so far is is that my old XF86Config file with the refresh rates for my external monitor connected to my laptop didn't quite take (kept going to 800x600). After some minor fiddling, I managed to get it working (I still need to do it again a few times so I make sure I understand fully what I'm doing). I've read a bunch of docs, but can't seem to find an answer on why FreeBSD has moved to Xorg. Is it just a political/licensing issue? Like I said, it's not a big deal, but I manage the internal 'Howto' document for our organization, and since we're in the process of moving from 5.2.1 to 5.3, it would be nice to have a little mention of why we're going to Xorg after my entire section for installing X is going to change from Xfree86 instructions. We took a look at the activity of both projects, and it looked like xorg is more active and is going to be the de facto future standard implementation. FreeBSD also has a closer integration with the xorg project because we have a committer who works on both projects. Kris pgpliyxElaxLM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xorg and xfree86
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:54:13 -0500 Duane Winner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if anybody could provide me with a brief explanation of why FreeBSD has made Xorg the default X11 implementation over XFree86. It doesn't really matter to me, I've tried it, it seems to work fine, and almost exactly the same. The only problem I've run into so far is is that my old XF86Config file with the refresh rates for my external monitor connected to my laptop didn't quite take (kept going to 800x600). After some minor fiddling, I managed to get it working (I still need to do it again a few times so I make sure I understand fully what I'm doing). I've read a bunch of docs, but can't seem to find an answer on why FreeBSD has moved to Xorg. Is it just a political/licensing issue? Like I said, it's not a big deal, but I manage the internal 'Howto' document for our organization, and since we're in the process of moving from 5.2.1 to 5.3, it would be nice to have a little mention of why we're going to Xorg after my entire section for installing X is going to change from Xfree86 instructions. Xorg beat XFree86 out in regards of features in the newest release. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg or XFree86?
On Aug 18, 2004, at 9:28 PM, Eric Crist wrote: I've seen a lot of posts over the past couple months regarding installation of X.org. I was wondering, is it that much better than XFree86 that it's worth the hassle? If so, what are those advantages? On a new machine with 5.2.1 I decided to use X.org rather than XFree86. Built everything from source as I was also interested in abusing this machine a bit for confidence that it would be reliable. Creation of an XF86Config has always been one of my biggest nightmares. Its way more than I care to do by hand. The automatic tools rarely get me closer than 90%. Its always something such as, Why is it in 8 bit mode? Used xorgconfig, which is obviously based on XF86Config, and was easily able to configure for a single resolution with 8, 16, and 24 bit depths, and selected 16 as the default. I don't remember why this was always so hard with XF86Config. I still had to hand insert DPMS and wheel mouse parameters, but for the most part I understand those. :-) Installed KDE after X.org. For the most part the fonts look better than the supposedly same KDE under XF86 on another machine. Only the font used for articles http://ezine.daemonnews.org/ look worse. Was a bit concerned whether the 8MB ATA Rage XL PCI video would be satisfactory. The stock video on Dell 400SC. Haven't tried to play a DVD on it, but otherwise its just fine. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Top posters will not be shown the honor of a reply. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg or XFree86?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:28:44PM -0500, Eric Crist wrote: Hello list, I've seen a lot of posts over the past couple months regarding installation of X.org. I was wondering, is it that much better than XFree86 that it's worth the hassle? If so, what are those advantages? In day-to-day there is no noticeable difference. I'd deplore one really annoying bug: http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=474 which prevents me to use MPlayer with XVideo extension when a lot of apps are running; falling back to -vo x11 is not good on slow hardware. So for the moment, if XFree86 4.X works for you, you may want to wait for next Xorg release. Marc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg or XFree86?
On Thursday 19 August 2004 03:28, Eric Crist wrote: Hello list, I've seen a lot of posts over the past couple months regarding installation of X.org. I was wondering, is it that much better than XFree86 that it's worth the hassle? If so, what are those advantages? Until 5.x goes stable, and I do a fresh install, my motto is: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg or XFree86?
Does anyone know is the nvidia drivers work with Xorg? On Wednesday 18 August 2004 09:28 pm, Eric Crist wrote: Hello list, I've seen a lot of posts over the past couple months regarding installation of X.org. I was wondering, is it that much better than XFree86 that it's worth the hassle? If so, what are those advantages? Thanks, Eric F Crist Best Access Systems 11300 Rupp Dr. Burnsville, MN 55337 Phone: 952.894.3830 Cell: 612.998.3588 Fax: 952-894-1990 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg or XFree86?
it was said: Does anyone know is the nvidia drivers work with Xorg? Hello, Yes it does. Check this lists archives for all you need to know as this topic has come up frequently over the last 6-8 weeks. HTH, Stheg __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg or XFree86?
Eric Crist wrote: Hello list, I've seen a lot of posts over the past couple months regarding installation of X.org. I was wondering, is it that much better than XFree86 that it's worth the hassle? If so, what are those advantages? Thanks, Eric - first up worth the hassle 1.) on a new install, (5.x, i don't run any 4.x systems anymore), there is no hassle. At least, no more than on XFree86. 2.) updating to x.org on a previous XFree86 isn't all that difficult, *if* all the instructions in ports/UPDATING are followed to the letter. Also, remember that it is a major upgrade to the system, and a lot of libraries, so occasionally, linked applications can fail. A simple rebuild fixes this. (note: usually. We should all recognise what this one means) second up advantages 1.) primarly, it's lisence is a bit more friendly to bsd, particularly redistributing. I'm not an expert, lots of people are, if your interested in this, hit up google. 2.) it's an update of the x system (as of now anyway, XFree86 has a new version too, which AFAIK, hasn't made it to ports yet. i may be wrong here). I can't speak as to all the benefits, but i know for me at least, it fixed an AGP device issue i had nicely. the bottom line is, YMMV. but, x.org is now the default in 5.x, so i suppose the more unofficial support method is to go with the default... hope this helps. ~j -- Jonathan T. Sage Theatrical Lighting / Set Designer Professional Web Design He said he likes me, but he's not in-like with me.- Connie, King of the Hill [HTTP://www.JTSage.com] [HTTP://design.JTSage.com] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [See Headers for Contact Info] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Xorg or XFree86?
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:28:44 -0500 Eric Crist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I've seen a lot of posts over the past couple months regarding installation of X.org. I was wondering, is it that much better than XFree86 that it's worth the hassle? If so, what are those advantages? There are few advantages to it. The only reason I made the switch to it was because for some bloody reason support for acecad tablets was in the mouse driver for XFree86 making it impossible, afaik, to use it like a tablet. Other than that , I have seen no noticeable differences. There is a slight change in the licenses in XFree86 4.4, but nothing to worry about. It just really provide a reason for a few ppl, all ready annoyed, to get off their butts instead of whinging on about XFree86 and actually go and split it off. As far as who is going to win out, still not enough info to actually tell. But a lot of weight appears to possible behind Xorg right now. But that can probally be attributed to a lot of slashdot ppl throwing their weight behind it because it is not XFree86, which most have a pointless irrational hate of(or of X in general). ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
